"YOUR WELCOME" with Michael Malice

Michael Malice (“YOUR WELCOME”) invites author and political voice, James Lindsay, onto the show to discuss the misconceptions of Christian Nationalism, the danger of so-called “intelligence” programs, and why The Left has a big problem when it comes to immigration.
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[@MichaelMaliceofficial]

James took questions from supporters exclusively at malice.locals.com/post/4934976/james-took-your-questions

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

L james

[@DamePiglet]

Jordan Peterson is not a Boomer; he's in his mid-50s so he's Gen X. He just spent too much time in University life.

[@toothgrinder2760]

“tHE MiGRaNTs R MoSTLy WoMEN & cHiLDrEn”

[@violenceislife1987]

As a Pagan, I appreciate the work you both do.

[@2GunRock]

Michael, I have a question. I know it's too late to ask James, but he's your friend and I'm really hoping you can ask him for me. I'm interested in his explanation and demonstration of the ROPE-A-DOPE and I wonder if he can come back on just to teach kids how to defend themselves with the techniques he has learned as a pro fighter, someone who fought for money, which separates a pro from an amateur. I'm just a measly amateur who is trying to master the techniques of the legendary Cus D'Amato. That would be the trainer who made Floyd Patterson the youngest HW Champ ever, a record Patterson held until a kid named Mike Tyson, ironically trained by the same Cus D'Amato, came along and broke it. So I know a little bit about fighting, but apparently not nearly as much as James Lindsay. For example, I always thought the 'rope-a-dope' was the technique used by Ali to defeat Foreman, previously viewed as invincible. Ali laid on the ropes, both hands held high so his gloves covered both sides of his face, most importantly his Jaw and Temple, BOTH SIDES, Aka as the knockout spots or the button (Jaw). Also elbows tucked in to protect his rib cages. Then he let Foreman punch himself out (similar to Rocky III which is undoubtedly where Sly got the idea). Anyway, please tell James I STAND CORRECTED. Now I know that simply fainting with the Jab, poorly, is the secret rope-a-dope James was kind enough to reveal. In another demonstration perhaps he can explain and demonstrate the Peek-a-Boo too. If he's not aware of it, no problem. Evidently he doesn't know what the rope-a-dope is either, but that didn't make it any less entertaining. I'm sure anyone who has ever trained not to get himself killed couldn't stop laughing. Unfortunately for James, the former pro (for money), they were laughing AT HIM, not WITH HIM.

[@hopefulforhumanity5625]

I'm not a shrinking violet, but I love love being in the home with my children. I enjoy putting the majority of my energy into the people I love rather than being responsible for making money. I've done both. Being home is better.

[@ExtremelyRightWing]

I dont know how liberalism is whats gonna stop all of it when liberalism is what allowed it to get to this point.

[@omara6292]

Is it liberalism or Marxism that you’re referring to?

[@januarysson5633]

Liberalism was never supposed to be a suicide pact.

[@drewwilson6639]

Exactly

[@drewwilson6639]

​@@januarysson5633liberalism has no moral framework to stop anything. People are inherently selfish and evil

[@zachmorgan6982]

Liberalism allows a lot of Wil things but that doesn't mean it's the problem. I agree that liberalism needs a protection mechanism for its own beliefs without being to heavy handed in its enforcement

[@248wendell]

The issue is NEVER the issue. The issue is ALWAYS the REVOLUTION

[@anonymousAJ]

This is hot nonsense Yes, the left doesn't care about the things they claim to care about But the rest of us are trying to live in reality

[@EndoftheBlock7224]

Exactly my friend

[@ChucksExotics]

One of James' most brilliant ideas. That way he can get people like you to never do anything. Because he wants you to think that the left wants you to react. Or as he says "your reaction is their real action." This is the idea James came up with to pacify the right wing. James became the self styled "expert on woke." In order to capture people angry with Wokeness and keep them from going further Right and bring them back to the centrist milk toast liberalism. You think the left is scared of _classical liberalism?_ James is himself a left winger.

[@sgtcrtrdnl]

I'm not convinced "Christian nationalism" is as large of a contingent as yall are making it out to be...

[@boringbiblestudy1813]

Lord knows there’s been no better publicity agent for Christian Nationalism than those complaining about it. I’ve been listening to lots of parts of the Christian KZbin world for the last five years, and I’d never heard of a Christian Nationalist until the left started promoting them to public attention all the time. Now I know them. Not a fan of their nationalist views, but the ones I’ve listened to aren’t nearly as bad as the left says.

[@newtalking3]

Its what the other side can react to

[@Shade7x]

I think for a lot of people it's just "well, I'm christian and a nationalist and I'd like to see more of those things" but they're not putting together that "christian nationalist" means something else. Sort of like how being both nationalist and white isn't the same as being a white nationalist. I suspect there are people who know what it means and agree with it, but I doubt it's a significant margin outside of a few loud voices.

[@salamandergamer2063]

I think W-o k-e ness drove a lot of people back into the arms of the church, they're both just these circle jerks where people pat themselves on the back for not thinking critically or understanding opposing viewpoints. Both religion's core principle is that you're morally wrong if you even entertain the thought of questioning the narrative

[@GHGore]

Big fan of Lindsay's work, but he's obviously grasping at phantoms. In the grand scheme, relatively, they're spending so much time here talking about, like, five people or so.

[@shilohsanders5475]

14:30 it’s kind of amazing how often centrists argue like the left when attacking the right, then move right back into logical analysis when attacking the left.

[@ashleynicole9423]

Great observation

[@minnesota_fats7344]

You do know that right wing can be just as bad as the lefty I hope you're aware of that I grew up among Christian fundamental conservatism and I left the Republican party I left Christianity because you're a bunch of hypocrites. The little disregard you have for low-income people like you just want to let them suffer like it gives you a hard-on watching them suffer somehow you're better than them your God has blessed you. Then you want to tell people what they can watch on TV What they can do in their bedroom criminalize people You guys are horrible for civil liberties. Abortion goes back to the States and what a lot of you buttheads do You make it illegal even if the mom's life is at risk or the baby is because of rape nope can't have exceptions and this is going to cost you because millennials and Gen z we want common sense abortion, We don't want the government telling people what they can and can't do with their body and this comes to abortion or drug use or anything else that concerns our body our body our decision. You guys total abortion bands when a majority of Americans want common sense abortion. I hope you never get power I hope populist Republicans get elected not these conservative Christian Republicans because I will never vote for that I'll vote for Trump but if the Republican party's going back to Christian conservatism then I won't vote for you This is why you guys end up losing. You're the flip side of the crazy woke progressive that wants a socialist government You are the crazy religious conservatives that wants a theocracy instead of the representative Republic that we currently have. You say you're in favor of that but I've heard enough from conservative Christians and really if you could tear it down you would destroy our representative Republic and put in its place a theocracy. This is why you are as dangerous as the left.

[@Lori-xt2lf]

Dang, it’s hard to just be a Christian these days.

[@four-eight-zero5627]

Religion, specifically Christianity, is being weaponized by some nasty people that have nothing to do with Jesus. Hundreds of years of this... but now we're all informationally connected and talking about it.

[@TheKatieLea]

RE: Ireland .... an outside group of people are trying to flood an island when the people indigenous to that island don't want the migrants .... can't quite put my finger on why supporting the indigenous people in this instance is different from the other times though 🤔

[@Orson2u]

Some people are more equal than others. Cf, “Animal Farm, by George Orwell.

[@lukejolley8354]

Michael Malice explaining how J Peterson doesn't understand the Joker is the greatest thing I've heard in a month.

[@sillygoose4472]

Peterson chose the Joker specifically for the image of an evil clown to draw a parallel to tyrants, because they like jokes but aren't funny. JBP has explained this in detail numerous times, even directly with James Lindsay on his Peterson podcast appearance.

[@midmomom2490]

@@sillygoose4472yes I have heard his explanation

[@BboyKeny]

​@@sillygoose4472James did say that but conceded to Michael after Malice pushed his explanation. To be fair, they are both true. Peterson uses the evil clown archetype as a personification of this type of tyranny. The Joker from Batman is also based of that archetype. So Peterson is referencing the underlying thing, not the Joker directly. Peterson is has studied the psychoanalysts and he's viewing this through that lens. Analysing fictional stories and extracting archetypes is totally a psychoanalyst thing. Also it's very boomer.

[@sillygoose4472]

@@BboyKeny Calling someone a boomer is trite. That crazy eyes Communist girl was the one who coined the term and writing off a whole generation when the universities and politicians are the ones who sold our future completely misses the mark

[@abstractnonsense3253]

Malice was probably incorrect on that one. Psycho clown is a good characterization.

[@dks13827]

You said you don't care if we are replaced............ that is evil.

[@janetanderson3941]

I won't let my grandkids watch any of the cartoons on PBS for this very reason. Even Sesame Street has been taken over 🙏🇺🇸❤

[@jessicaklein4389]

It’s so sad. I have teens that grew up on PBS Kids and their 8 yr old brother can’t experience the same. Thomas the Tank Engine, Word Girl, Curious George, Word World, Daniel Tiger and Wild Kratts. 😢

[@Oatriumph]

The children of unashamed Internet pirates can watch all the shows. Just saying, IP is a false property claim.

[@snakedick4753]

I was watching star wars on cartoon network because you know star wars is a good movie But it was on cartoon network so I the ads were for children and one of the ads was of elmo advertising the covid vaccine People already really don’t like how the US is one of the only places that allow advertising medications on tv but advertising medications to children is outright despicable Also who else didn’t know elmo had a dad

[@SaneMillennial]

​@@jessicaklein4389Just find a way to have them see the old shows only. Not sure if any are available on streaming apps or if you just have to buy them on dvd which may be a good idea anyway.

[@TheGalxz]

Lol, Sesame street has been wokeish forever.

[@francescaG2024]

About the title: YOU'RE welcome! Or James: "Your welcome to my show is appreciated" 😊 from a retired English teacher

[@SepticFuddy]

The name of the show drives me nuts and knowing Michael that is 100% the reason he picked it

[@muppetpoppet216]

Lindsay is a spiritual boomer

[@Hexadeci]

What does this mean? Serious question.

[@_Dovar_]

​@@Hexadeci He believes in demo-liberalism and radical leftism, only that before the Obama-Trump era.

[@Avant-garde_Vanguardist]

100%, I am ashamed of myself that I ever listened to him. James, we cannot go back to 1990s liberalism.

[@troll_kin9456]

@@Avant-garde_VanguardistThat's a bit ridiculous. Lindsay's political prescriptions are silly and boring, but his understanding of the left is unrivaled.

[@muppetpoppet216]

@@HexadeciHe acts as if he learned nothing from the time of the 1960s onward. The reason we're where we are now is because of liberalism, and he wants to return to it.

[@iga279]

A lot of the people I like on youtube just come and go. But Michael Malice and James Lindsay have been my beacons of funny, intelligent discourse at least for the past two years without wavering. Thank you for keeping my spirits up!

[@EndoftheBlock7224]

Michael Malice is my pick out of all the current public figures to have a drink with and long coversation. Great guest because of all his current research and classification efforts on a group of collectivists who actively work to resist such labels.

[@fitz3540]

Sorry, I just can't get over how James called Jonathan Pageau a "fascist" You know, the icon carver who explicitly warns against Christian Nationalism, and who by many metrics would probably be considered an anarchist in the style of Tolstoy. Absolutely braindead.

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

Fascists aren't even that bad historically, they literally got supported by many different groups of people across the world and lead a bloodless revolution.cornball.

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

Fascists aren't even that bad historically, they literally got supported by many different groups of people across the world and lead a bloodless revolution.cornball.

[@AustimosPrime]

Yeah. I still have a tiny bit of hope for James but he’s wayyyy off base when it comes to anything Christian related and spirituality in general. He’s a grown man stuck in his “new atheist” phase. It really sucks because I love his early podcasts from a few years ago.

[@Hitlerbaddaringood]

I thought he and jp were friends. Maybe he's mad they didn't have him speak at the ARC thingy.

[@MichealPacitto]

People are allowed to be wrong. He is or at least was incredibly against Peterson. But he recently did a podcast with him.

[@charinabottae]

Has James been staring into the abyss too long? He's starting to sound like a radical ideologue progressive when he speaks about getting back to a moral and religious society. It is only the left that I have ever heard describe it as James does. When I hear it from conservatives or religious individuals it's about individuals making the choice to be religious. I've never heard anybody seriously talk about a theocracy other than when Christ himself returns. No one I've heard pushes that idea. Except the left trying to create a boogeyman. How is James now pushing this tripe? With how wrong James has that idea I wonder what else he has wrong?

[@Edhooey]

Maybe I missed it, but I think he was saying that it's the "Christian Nationalists" who were talking about getting back to a moral and religious society. But I agree with you about him getting a bit overboard sometimes. He's great on this CRT stuff, and digging up the roots of it, but it seems like sometimes he's so hyper-focused on the neo-Marxism/CRT angle that he can't not see it everywhere.

[@victorygarden556]

Go talk to real Christian nationalists and you’ll see they are tyrants. Theocracy is a topic among young disenfranchised Christians that are still deep in sin very often. I have had a few friends go off the deep end that way.

[@_Tessa_T]

No. I live a in rural area. I only know about Social Emotional Learning because I pay attention. I was freaked out when letters were sent home. But my community is excited to participate in every school event. These parents put time and effort into supporting the school/community. Don't yell at me for not fighting against right wing extremism, while debauchery was promoted for a generation.

[@newtalking3]

Looking into the curriculum and the videos and passages they read in school -- those parents will be shocked -- the leftist socialists who led the schools and Randi got $1 trillion bargaining with closed down school to fund the SEL and socialist material into schools -- all the ed colleges now teach this

[@Orson2u]

What? Could restate your complain more clearly?

[@heidi22209]

The boomers are kickin in.

[@atdtheband]

Exactly

[@MrB-sl3vi]

The fact that malice says denish ish top boomer lol the lack of awareness

[@TheBillythepoet]

I hope the next guest is Tim Dillon as Megan McCain.

[@jebemtiii]

Rogan & CO always bashing Christians. I used to be an edgy atheist, but now I just fell bad for Christians/my kin here in eu.

[@hankhooper1637]

Imo, the bad part is the limits on free speech because it limits the free exercise of a person's faith. Bash us all you want. Don't limit what we may say by force of government power. There is the real danger for the Christian and the rest of society.

[@Orson2u]

Me too.

[@EdgarStyles1234]

Saving this to watch while at my job tomorrow in a woke university

[@tomheille5444]

Get out

[@johnstevens5517]

Yeah go away

[@PeteMD]

Stay off the server brother they are watching

[@sillygoose4472]

Save your soul and leave. Why would you support evil for a paycheque?

[@EdgarStyles1234]

@@sillygoose4472 go back to your job at the gas station

[@3rdGeorgesheets]

I like so much of what James does but even he doesn't understand everything. Throwing shade at Elon is fine when it makes sense. You'll never rid the internet of bots. It has gotten much better. They have burned millions of bot accounts. And the starship launch did blow up but as far as test flights go on the largest rocket ever attempted, It was a wildly successful launch exceeding most rocket nerds (like myself) expectations. Great talk as always gentlemen. Thank you both for everything you continue to do. Maybe the shade was sarcasm, but I doubt it 😅 🤷‍♂️

[@King-O-Hell]

It's very interesting how much of a double-edged sword social media is. I can't even decide for myself if it's worth it or not. I think it's probably opened a lot of eyes, but there's so much negative that comes with social media. It's disempowered corporate media to a large degree, I believe.

[@DylanYoung]

It *is* corporate media, lol

[@deathbeforeslavery3582]

I’ll decide for you. It isn’t worth it.

[@teresaradsick7314]

I'm one of those boomers who stood in the gap in the 70s against Jimmy Carter. I identified with the Moral Majority voting for Reagan. I was so happy to hear Rush Limbaugh take on the liberal media and finally give voice to us Conservatives. I began home schooling my children in the 80s when nobody else I knew was doing it. We maintained firing the 90s but the Tea Party was the next reaction to the sickening progress of socialism and communism. Finally MAGA and Donald Trump and having both houses in Congress.... finally things were going to be put right. Well we know how that turned out. So I hear you smart assess deciphering the chaos and I'm sorry if thankful to you, but I'm not sure. I'm going back to the Constitution and we are creating New California based on Article 4 Section 3 and 4.

[@stopper90004]

The soc media algorithms do not help propagate red pilling beyond those who are already pre-disposed to be released from the "mainstream" (muffled Marxist) matrix. We are just discussing the woke takeover amongst ourselves in an echo chamber manufactured by big tech's algorithms. The tiny wokist cult however is being given a megaphone and algorithms that spread their message in ever wider circles.

[@BlyGuy]

Jay Dyer is the only Ortho bro worth listening to. Malice should definitely have him as a guest

[@fancyhitchpin8675]

Don't know if he's a "bro" or not, but Pageau I way more interesting for my money.

[@awm9290]

⁠@@fancyhitchpin8675all day. Dyer is embarrassing. Pageau is fantastic

[@AustimosPrime]

I like Jay, but the online Orthodox scene has a lot of really good people in it besides just him. Buck Johnson would be a solid guest, former Libertarian guy.

[@rbaggio7777]

@@fancyhitchpin8675 Lindsey is trying to lump ortho bros with christian nationalists. He is straw-manning them... this is totally disingenuous. Pageau brothers have much more insight than Lindsey wants you to believe.

[@mosesbauer5856]

The desire to be correct is an illness. I'm so dumb, why would I push my understanding on anyone? To see the patterns of existence is quite important. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, it is the glory of kings to search a matter out. Malice x Pageau

[@shilohsanders5475]

The first 5 minutes is just a condescending description of basic Christianity.

[@Tenderbits]

Listening to him mangle what rope a dope is doesn’t engender confidence that he was a professional figjter

[@ScandinavianHeretic]

Could always just look up his actual fighting instead of judging it by the terminology he uses.

[@fancyhitchpin8675]

I love how Lindsey tells the "neck turns the head" joke as if anybody who seriously discusses male headship hasn't heard that one before. I'm sure plenty of the anons trolling him about CN are weebs, largely unfamiliar with grass, seeking waifu, but there are actual adults who grew up and live in conservative faith communities, and speak from an understanding of the relevant nuances of reality.

[@nealorr5086]

Conservative atheists'' mental gymnastics required to come up with their world view always amuses me. They (or at least the ones like James who were bright enough to get in college) know that the male lead households are a thing throughout the world, yet they try to reject it because of its associations with Christendom in the west.

[@menoyuno8430]

Yeah, I agree that was kinda lame and lacking awareness about this particular topic.

[@mr8ty8]

Oh Boy. James Lindsey. I like him very much.

[@socalguy616]

I'll worry about the religious right when they actually have power.

[@joshlibrawood6779]

Nothing wrong with taking precautions.

[@MichealPacitto]

Not religious right, religious extremism that is used by the left.

[@Y0UT0PIA]

oh, that might happen sooner than you think, at least in some parts of the US.

[@DubcityTX]

Lindsay grew up influenced by new atheists. Religion is always on his mind more so than actual Christians. His judgement is clouded by a threat that isn't there.

[@curtisvalle5141]

We'll be lucky to make it that far.

[@V23325]

Can't wait for this !

[@wjamyers]

30:00 "mockingbird media" is exactly what it is.

[@Youtubenotfreespeech]

What a great conversation! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@travisstase1577]

The rope a dope is not throwing a jab to create a pattern... It was Ali tiring out Foreman by playing defense on the ropes while he wailed away on him, purposefully eschewing offense until the time was right later on.

[@BOC-23]

Michael and James. Always a great discussion!

[@crossdronesphotography]

I wish you would have asked him about his disdain for Spooner and "No Treason"

[@zacharybrennon2351]

So many good points made and interesting topics. A little known aspect of the current 'unrest' in Ireland is that many of their politicians also own the hotels that are housing the 'asylum seekers' and thus profit from the situation.

[@snakedick4753]

James talks about the critical immigration theory but won’t talk about Israel trying to send the Palestinians to Europe the US and Canada to help the ethnic cleansing of the area

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

Lindsay is totally within the boomer truth regime

[@johnwatts8346]

yep, as AA, MacIntrye and co say- hes just a deluded lib who falsely believes we can go back in time and ring fence the 90s, lindsay is very clearly wrong, anti woke libs are still just libs = vapid and a waste of our time.

[@hashkangaroo]

You don't understand, man, you've been hoodwinked by the Hermetic Communist Gnostics!

[@artorius_856]

Where did you encounter this concept of boomer truth regime?

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

@@artorius_856 "truth regime" was originally mentioned by Foucault in an interview a long time ago and an academic that calls his channel Academic Agent added boomer

[@angloortho8146]

@@artorius_856 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3uagH1tlJhlr5o

[@whatthefrerejacques]

Adams may have been, at one point, much like a unitarian. But when he said that quote he had become a fervent believer in the necessity of a religious base for the populous. It was that moment that he began to change his heart and he turned toward Jesus for the next 40 years of his life. Adams is my American brother in Christ, with whom he lives still!

[@Orson2u]

Yeah. James attempts to clarify yet only manages to mangle the real Adams. Only Franklin and Jefferson among the Founders-framers were life-long proto-unitarians. Nonetheless, all three agreed on The First Motto of the United States, sharing authorship together: “Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.” That’s the righteous radicalism the MAGA movement desperately needs.

[@SepticFuddy]

Unitarianism and modern Unitarian Universalism are two wildly different things that were being conflated. Unitarianism simply means the view that Jesus was not God, but is no less important or central to their faith. UUism is just not even pretending to be any form of Christian whatsoever, and prides itself in being open to people of all faiths (translation: it's the Church of Leftism). Historically, it did derive from a strain of 19th century Christian Unitarianism, but it is so far removed from it that linking Adams to it is very non-sequitir. However, it is true that most Christian authorities would not consider Adams a "believer" knowing that he rejected Trinitarian doctrine, especially going so far as to reject the divinity claim. Recent statistical survey of laypeople, even self-professed "evangelicals", show a shocking amount are actually Unitarian (and probably have no idea that's even a thing.)

[@jeffpoehl9100]

CIT is already the law of the land in most of EU countries,Ireland is canary in coal mine,they have a history of resisting an occupying force,if they decide their own govt is that,it could get ugly fast

[@Orson2u]

Gerth Wilders in the Netherlands. AfD in Germany. Orban and Fidez in Hungary. Constitutional crisis in Poland!

[@carolyna.869]

I can't believe anyone is truing to use Christian nationalism as a slur. This is a Christian country and all good Americans love their nation. Period.

[@wade2bosh]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3XYkptrasRgiZY&t

[@hankhooper1637]

I hope this is not what a Christian country looks like. We have lost our way. Maybe, at some point our country was Christian but it sure isn't now. We would not be allowing the things that are allowed.

[@Accuracy158]

He's an atheist and gay rights atavist. Christians are just one of the many groups he doesn't like including anyone two inches right of him. He's constantly talking about how it's time he switches his attention from the woke to the right now because they're the real enemies. Notice his reaction to the destruction of the Iowa Satan statue thing a few days ago... Many such cases with Lindsey.

[@ashleynicole9423]

Tbh the nation was never “Christian.” Instead it was liberal meaning a nation set on shared Christian values, morals, and ethics, because no free and sovereign society can function without an agreed upon set of morals. When the people strayed from God that’s when the country began its descent. If you simply look at the definition of liberalism it says it there _“based on intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity.”_ That’s why it’s baffling to me how anti-woke liberals like Lindsay and Malice can’t see that it’s the decline in morals that has lead us here. Especially Lindsay who’s done countless hours of research on this very thing.

[@ashleynicole9423]

@@Accuracy158Wow, can I ask what his take was on the destruction of the satanic statue? Or where I can find it?

[@jake9886]

I love how his description is trying to be negative towards Catholics and Orthodox and I couldn’t be prouder. Just a reminder that the enemy of your enemy isn’t your friend.

[@abstractnonsense3253]

Regime media is the better designation

[@illuminahde]

Yo, you should have him on much more. What a great conversation.

[@Steel_Wrath]

This is your FBI agent, we understand you've been watching low value mail. We find you guilty of wrong think and masonginini!

[@Hexadeci]

Yo, agreed.

[@indigenoussober407]

Connecting the dots between the UN and Queer Education in Kenya is just.... Chef's Kiss.

[@jdhenge]

I think it is absolutely brilliant how James is able to create this scary persona of christian nationalism, without ever having to identify what is wrong with christian nationalism, and then blames his own vagueness on the christian nationalists themselves! Absolutely brilliant man. I would never want to end up on the receiving end of what he's dishing out! Anyone in his sights would be totally wrecked

[@Oatriumph]

Sarcasm?

[@jamesclark6487]

​@@Oatriumphno, not sarcasm. OP made a very accurate observation.

[@charinabottae]

Eh, I think James did more to wreck his own credibility with that attempt at propping up the lefts figment of their imagination. How much of his other points are similar figments of his own mental creations?

[@Oatriumph]

It's confusing though because he is saying he's creating something circular-ish, attacking something he isn't defining and can't define. Brilliant certainly has a broad connotation but it's almost always positive. So I'm just wondering, is his conclusion sarcasm or is it genuine? Just hard to tell here? Give us the truth man! Jk.

[@gthomas1258]

Well you would have to go watch his content on Christian nationalism to know. Basically there are groups that are not Christian in nature at all using the name, and how they are gaining numbers. One of the groups he covers literally uses an upside down cross. They are much closer or basically are cults/secret societies. It’s the namesake he’s referring to.

[@zachmorgan6982]

2 of my favorite ppl. Love these guys minds. We should absolutely have ppl like them inside government

[@WincredibleHulk]

You can always count on James to be thought provoking, intelligent and terrifying.

[@ChunkyPuke4me]

Always keep in mind that the US government/military and universities developed the tech for what we know as the internet. The hand in glove relationship between big tech and the intelligence community is nothing new.

[@sillygoose4472]

Gislaine Maxwell was one of the first accounts on Reddit with a following. Yes, it is verified it was hers and she used it.

[@anaxmalakas]

James misrepresents christianity constantly. Either he is still sour from losing his faith, or he just honestly doesn't know what he is talking about. These guys are still two of my favorite people to listen to.

[@socalguy616]

I do think we need moral leaders. I am not sure any form of government works with morally bankrupt corrupt sociopaths. How we achieve this I am not sure. I don't think we need to get rid of first amendment, but the separation of church and state is a little over kill right now. I think people should be able to use public funds to send their kids to Christian schools.

[@markn866]

I have no issue with school choice. Morality can be imposed from more sources than just religion. I see no reason why religion has to be the authority on the matter.

[@gilianrampart8514]

​@@markn866 What source?

[@ironsides982]

@@markn866 Morality can be imposed? "the" authority? Listen to yourself.

[@socalguy616]

I'm not religious, but I wouldn't mind my kids going to a religious school. Catholics seems to have their shit together. I don't care where the morality comes from, but if not Christianity, where? I am at least "culturally Christian" enough that my Christian wife submits to my leadership.

[@Killerbee_McTitties]

"the seperation of church and state is a bit overkill right now" What does that even mean?

[@mitchellgow9156]

James Lindsay and Lex Fridman have this incredible gift of taking any topic and making it so that y9u can easily fall asleep to it while listening. They are the most boring.

[@2GunRock]

LOL He called fainting with the Jab, the rope-a-dope. 🤣 Plus I'm watching him throw his Jab in a demonstration of how it's done, and I would bet my house that if I put him in the NY Golden Gloves (for amateurs), and not even the Open Class (for experienced amateurs), but the Sub-Novice for mostly teens who had something like 5 fights or less in the amateurs, he wouldn't even make it out of the 1st RD of the first fight. To put it bluntly, that demonstration was beyond comical, it was cartoonish, and I say that as someone who won the GG's using the Cus D'Amato peek-a-boo (offensively and defensively), so I can't help but LOL when I see someone brag about being a former fighter for money, then watch him faint with the Jab, POORLY I MIGHT ADD, not even bringing it back to guard his face (or at least his chin), making him a sucker for a straight right-hand counter that even a Sub-Novice amateur would spot and promptly knock him out with a straight right to his jaw. ... rope-a-dope! 🤣🤣 Rope-a-dope is what Ali did to Foreman, hands high, elbows in, and letting him punch himself out. It was basically a defensive version of the Cus D'Amato Peek-a-Boo. JAMES, if you happen to see this, trust me, no more Boxing analogies, unless you want fighters to laugh AT YOU, not WITH YOU.

[@davidburton9690]

"The rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting technique in which one contender leans against the ropes of the boxing ring and draws non-injuring offensive punches, letting the opponent tire himself out. This gives the former the opportunity then to execute devastating offensive punches to help them win." Training people to watch the left and then hitting with the right is a perfectly fine strategy, though

[@the_Kurgan]

That's what I thought, but I'm no boxing expert. These guys don't remember Mohammed Ali.

[@joeyservo]

I caught that too, and it annoyed me more than it should have lol. For sure don't talk yourself up as a former prize fighter, make a fighting analogy, then not know one of the most famous (because of Ali/Foreman) techniques in boxing history.

[@tabularasa820]

This ep ends on a bummer. As a parent of a smart young kid who is an avid reader of kids books, and I have read the first 2-3 books in all the series he’s into, and hearing that they start crazy stuff in later books, I have no idea how bad it is.

[@sillygoose4472]

Get on it!

[@steveb9713]

Get him Snow White by Jonathan Pageau

[@SepticFuddy]

You can probably find book reviews that will clue you in, especially more recent ones. I've done similar with TV shows that start out decent and then seem like they're starting to go off the rails into the woke abyss. Sure enough, the IMDB reviews at that point reflect the change

[@violenceislife1987]

24:24 A J was right. My husband was a cia asset in the '80s. There were generals who tried to start ww3 by having a "russian" shoot American Army Rangers in south America. He got there to the location, figured out what he was set up for, knew he would not live long if he went through with it, and then went AWOL

[@windsongshf]

i wish they would have talked about national divorce cause i dont think they agree on that.

[@user-lj5wy6rx3h]

It's really convenient how anyone an inch to the right of Lindsay loops back into leftists.

[@alanjackson1568]

If we have anything to be "right wing" about by the French definition, it would be the constitution/rule of law/federalism. Dugan style "Traditionalism", "Christian Nationalism" (any version of it), or ignoring the rule of law to get the bad guys, are not, even by that French definition, "right wing" in the United States. Plus, the better definition of left/right wing, in the US context, is authoritarian vs anarchist. Turns out, we didn't, and still don't, have to use a definition that comes from a place, thousands of miles away, in a different language, no matter the origin.

[@hashkangaroo]

There's a word for that. It's called _containment._

[@Killerbee_McTitties]

Categorizing into left and right is retarded in the first place.

[@jdhenge]

@@alanjackson1568 The French Definition of Right Wing was never "constitution/rule of law/federalism" what are you even trying to say? The ancient regime conception was always about negotiated rights built upon a foundation of individual sovereignty under universal moral law sans the NAP. Basically modern libertarianism is a continuation of this conception with only the modest addition/innovation of the Non Aggression Principle

[@alanjackson1568]

@@jdhenge Am I misunderstanding something? My understanding is that the term was invented to mean that "right wing" preserves whatever is established in society, and left wing were the revolutionaries. I suppose I should not say things I don't fully understand. If I were to try to respond again, I suppose I just should have asked, in what way is James Lindsay wrong? What do you mean by right wing?

[@dlmsarge8329]

I generally like Michael but get bored and frustrated when he turns silly and adolescent in some interviews. Here he shows a more valuable side of himself. James is a favorite and I'm so thankful for his work exposing woke culture a day ideology.

[@londoncuppa1963]

Love this podcast ❤

[@whatthefrerejacques]

Great conversation between two intelligent blokes who haven't discovered the Truth yet. God bless Michael (who announced the Christ child) and James (brother of Jesus).

[@bren42069]

you'll never find the truth if you think you already have it

[@hankhooper1637]

​@bren42069 If the truth is something you can never know you have...well, how would you know that? That in itself would be a truth you think you have that you say you can't have. I do agree in the sense that people who have believed a lie will not look for the truth because they think they have it. However, I do think the truth is findable and we can know we have it. We should be humble about that because we often get things wrong and need to be open to correction.

[@trystdodge6177]

Someone by the name of lovecraft says that mr. Lindsey is a known homosexual. Is this true?

[@zakiyo6109]

I love Peterson

[@itburnswheneyepee3228]

29:44 JP talks about the joker as a specific symbol. Something about making fun of the king so its a joker not the joker specifically

[@ericfisher1311]

The rope a dope was when Ali would shell up and let a big dope hit him till he death gases and Ali would spring out and defeat his opponent.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

One Christian's opinion: When any of us purposely bear false witness, don't care to repent/correct it, then as James points out, such individuals are not being good image-bearers of Christ. Ideally, we would be motivated to honor God above all else. I love my spiritual brothers and sisters, am no better than them, can't boast. No matter what political persuasion, please don't sin for your cause in the Name of God.

[@Thedavidcrag]

When Jesus wants to come down here and run things, he will get my vote. Till then I'm not interested in making another pope. I'll stick with the US constitution, thank you.

[@sexistspaghettios]

I don't want that either but I sure wish you'd share some of that optimism about the constitution. I hope you're right and not just being naive because it sure seems like this country and the constitution are already dead and everyone's just fighting over the scraps!

[@Thedavidcrag]

@sexistspaghettios Hahaha, no. In order to think that you must lack a good amount of historical information about other countries. We would have a real bad time without the constitution or the declaration of independence. We owe everything to these documents. Without them we are completely fucked. It was the first government founded on the principle of inalienable rights. In contrast, France has seen multiple failed republics, so if you put it in perspective, we aren't doing that bad. Most of us don't understand the suffering of other nations because we read so little. Better understand what you have before you casually throw it away.

[@hankhooper1637]

I hear the Christians believe that when Jesus comes down here to run things that there won't be anymore voting. Most benevolent King ever. 🙂😉

[@Thedavidcrag]

@hankhooper1637 Yes, a perfect being who lived a perfect life and has a perfect mind. I'd be all for it. But understand that, I'm not counting on Jesus to fix the situation as it is now. Neither should any of my countrymen wait for Jesus to fix this problem. We need to get the Maoists, Marxists out now. Can't fuck around with an ideology that is essentially a death cult. Billions will die, and perhaps a century of knowledge will be lost. We don't have that kind of time.

[@farlanghn]

The chest scars were in Blue's Clues.

[@nateeckstine9147]

17 minutes in and I'm not hearing that there are any actual Christian Nationalist. The talk seems to be about concepts and not people.

[@JB-ti7bl]

I gave up at the 11:30 point, when Lindsay claims John Adams was not a Christian. Gonna need some solid evidence on that one. Sad that Malice goes along unquestioningly.

[@Maske002]

There is no such thing as a Christian Government. Christ's Kingdom will come, but throughout the Bible, you can see that we are meant to operate outside of the worldy. Samuel warned us of the dangers of the State (kings). Our purpose is to love God and to love people. We don't save souls through the State.

[@lukebayshaw1958]

Such a refreshing conversation Making me feel sane 😅

[@c.chinaski3156]

Christ is King

[@thatguybrooke]

*And Jesus is Lord of all* Amen! ❤

[@william6223]

No

[@HostileTakeover555]

🙄cringe

[@Gdog637]

is He?

[@romany8125]

Hail Satan!!!

[@johnkrstyen7351]

As a fan of James and Michael. I have not watched them yet together.

[@JayEmElle8]

Michael has had Jim on at least 2 or 3 other times

[@microsoftpain]

Michael, please have Peter Boghossian on. Both he and Lindsay are good friends so I'm sure you could work something out.

[@c.chinaski3156]

I'm no proponent of CN at all, & I like James & appreciate his work... but, I'm only ~10 minutes in & he's misrepresented CN several times already.

[@AustimosPrime]

He has shown time and time again, to not understand Christianity in general. The Man called Jonathan Pageau a fascist… I used to be a big fan of his work, but he is absolutely losing his mind

[@HostileTakeover555]

One of his earlier points is that there’s a range of beliefs and people in the movement…so isn’t it possible that you’re only viewing it in one narrow way…

[@bubbag8895]

Is he anti religious Nationalism in general, or just Christians?

[@c.chinaski3156]

​@@HostileTakeover555 whilst I do appreciate him making this point, which I do agree with... He also makes a lot of sweeping statements on CN as a whole, which as far as I'm aware no one, or at most a small fringe of proponents might believe.

[@Zanroff]

What specifically did he say that was a misrepresentation?

[@JanCarol11]

The jargon! The jargon! I'm 2 min in and boomercons & tradcons and orthobros and wtf? Now - I'm not a twit, so some of the popular lingo goes past me, but - bro! Speak some English for those of us who do!

[@psantini2968]

Irish person here - what is James Lindsay smoking? All our mid-range hotels are packed with migrants? BALLIX! There's the odd one, in the occasional town, being used for migrants. Now I gotta wonder, does he often come out with shite like that? Is he wrong just this once or is it a regular thing?

[@fitzmcfitzy4340]

From the Liffey to the Shannon, will be Irish free

[@MartialistKS]

In my mind James is THE guy who gets this stuff. For him to say there's a book coming out that is going to be top tier is exciting news.

[@johnwatts8346]

christian nationalists are not in any way left wing, like wtf is lindsay even on about? hes way more left wing than most christians. im myself not religious / a true believer, but i sure have grown to disdain atheists vastly more than christains over recent years / times.

[@joshlibrawood6779]

I think he means that the left wing is authoritarian, and conservatives that desire/push christian nationalism want authoritarianism too.

[@Killerbee_McTitties]

Just read this comment section. A lot of Christians are just collectivist identity authoritarians with a different flavor of Delusion. The left/right categorization is stupid in the first place because it suggests a dichotomy when there is a lot of internal disagreement within the right or left respextively

[@johnwatts8346]

@@joshlibrawood6779 well, thing is- authoritarianism when done right aint a bad thing, liberalism has fai;ed and some trad con right wing authoritarianism is just what we need right now.

[@AmiliaCaraMia]

@@johnwatts8346Right. That's what James is saying. People like you are just as authoritarian as a leftist. The difference being "MY" violence / authority is acceptable.

[@DeepPackChopra]

​@@AmiliaCaraMiaLindsay's ad hoc, unprincipled liberalism is just as authoritarian. They just disagree about which values to impose on society.

[@matthewkilbride1669]

The problem with these two is that they alternate between feeling intellectually superior to the morons behind the curtain and acting as though they’re ultra-powerful and organized. Which is it? As it is, they just like having their cake and eating it too since it strokes their vanity while simultaneously tingling their conspiratorial imaginations.

[@Oatriumph]

Thanks for elucidating my thoughts. This was pretty clear when Lindsay discussed the CIT about 50:00. Like, if it's not "prepared" to roll out, then it's not really a grand design.

[@colonelflashman972]

Two greats thanks for all that you do , please inform people how to stand up to this because its so big now.

[@LittleIAO]

Two of my favorite people.

[@lloydbraun6026]

How does Malice not know about Chick FilA and what is going on with non Europeans flooding into Europe

[@chito127]

Michael took a quick breath when he heard that.

[@timthompsonmusic]

“The first commandment of Christian nationalism is bearing false witness.” 😂 nailed them.

[@SoulOdyssey]

Ahh my two favourite people on Twitter, together!!! Love this so much!!

[@marvelousmike5488]

What’s the intro music to his podcast?? I’ve been searching for quite a while and can’t find it.

[@nealorr5086]

No, that's not the rope-a-dope, which is leaning back on the ropes to help support you as you tire out your opponent. What James is describing, is just called "jabbing".

[@NathanCline12-21]

James blocked me, he hates lysander spooner

[@genkimachina]

Not that this discounts what James is saying, but claiming he was a fighter and then incorrectly labeling what a "ropeadope" is doesn't help his case.

[@rochellecaffee1417]

James,my son, Andrew, was visiting on last Friday, and he let out some information that was agreeable with what I have been seeing in my life for a few months now, “there is BIG MONEY at stake”… when i saw the constant presentation of different country’s leaders to make themselves ATTRACTIVE to ME, and knowing some of the situations, and being told that i am a “gambler” i thought that probably a BIG “Gambling BET”, internationally, going on. So that is what i see.

[@JG-qt3pn]

Many people disliked identity politics until it was their identity up for discussion.

[@trouble416]

Marxism as theological movement. Waiting for that book.

[@williamlp]

Wow, this man in Lindsay's head is just getting destroyed, almost as if he were made of straw. Wake me up when he'll engage an actual human on his "Right Hand of the Left" in good faith, not having their beliefs run through Lindsay's internal straw chipper first. E.g. Auron or Dave the Distributist. Or Moldbug would be super fun, lol.

[@Thedavidcrag]

You know Will, if you are going to Lindsay for spiritual advice... that would be a you problem. James just wants us to get back to the founding documents. This should be a common goal. Anything else is a disaster.

[@williamlp]

I get it, mass change doesn't happen from a pure dialectic of everyone putting their most honest self forward - this is a myth for children. James (and/or his donors) have decided that blocking dialogue outside a narrow window is the best strategy. Getting back to the founding documents though? This is an example of "We need to do something about the inevitable! How about this?" Where, here, "this" is Larping a set of ideas that don't hold any power anymore in our culture. And, yes, I think this about traditional forms of religion too. If there is a way forward to get a much better result, and I don't know if there is, I do think the seed has to come from good faith honest dialogue and it has to be sellable, defensible and robust against non-straw critique. Religion, particularly some form of Christianity, is perhaps the most "Lindy" thing for this. It really can't be dismissed, given we don't actually know where to go from here. Lindsay's construction isn't anywhere close yet. But perhaps, as the trope goes, the only way out is through.

[@Thedavidcrag]

@williamlp I think they do hold power and these documents help protect people's rights to live as they choose. If you want to replace them I'm all ears, but it should be better. Just saying that our founding documents aren't up to snuff is a far cry from finding something that is. I can think of more that could go wrong than right.

[@williamlp]

@@Thedavidcrag Yeah, I have no solutions. But I don't think Lindsay does either. "Doing something" is not always a win, against something that turns out to have been inevitable. It depends on the "something" and many unknowns, indeed. He has proven he can deconstruct academic wokeness like no other, but he hasn't shown himself to be particularly good at predictions. A key question, which Lindsay has chosen to simply dismiss and mock instead of engaging with, is whether these documents can stand on their own or whether they inevitably crumble like a potted flower once the supporting soil erodes. I don't know, but I doubt James is convincing to anyone who doesn't already believe what he does, which is a shrinking group.

[@Thedavidcrag]

@williamlp I don't think so. James can't be everything. We have to pick up the slack. It's not rational for us to make him the arbiter of any group. If you want stability, the constitution is the way forward. If you want to replace it, well... you're going to shit the bed. Better help keep it alive if you want to make it. If not, best of luck to you! I wouldn't listen to the left propaganda. They are running scared. The smear campaign last year failed, so now it's about trying to fracture the group. I think most thinking Christians will see through it, and we will all be better for it.

[@michaelgelunas1113]

I laughed, I cried, and I, too, remember the messaging at the end of cartoons.

[@guiseppeperceval4930]

James Lindsay is fantastic and I'm so glad for him to exist and be in these shows.

[@prototype9904]

Good conversation ~ As a previous MMA myself: The rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting technique in which one contender leans against the ropes of the boxing ring and draws non-injuring offensive punches, letting the opponent tire himself out - (Think the first couple of Rocky movies) Which, while different than the strategy you explained, is an equally valid combat tactic. And imo, the Far Right, is just as authoritarian as the Far Left. I lived through the 80s... They wanted to ban everything and saw "Satanism" in everything that they didn't agree with. And they suffer the same problems in recognizing their own internal bias just as the leftists are oblivious of their skewed perspectives.

[@carolmcln5028]

And there are, what, half as many Christians (maybe even fewer than half if you only count the church-goers) now as in the 80s? And they don’t have control of universities, schools, Hollywood, social media, etc. In other words, no power.

[@_Dovar_]

They were mostly right. Slippery slope is being proven right before our eyes.

[@sanniepstein4835]

Wasn't it tipper Gore who went after rock music?

[@prototype9904]

I remember Dee Snider testifying in Congress, he basically saved Metal \m/@@sanniepstein4835

[@sexistspaghettios]

​​@@sanniepstein4835 And rap/r&b

[@jkbrown5496]

I saw the social media disinformation op happen IRL when I saw the parade that arose in the Oakland meeting where they called for ceasefire in Gaza but then one person wanted to add wording calling out Hamas. Most were reading some were not skilled in reading aloud. My general impression was that this was not the speakers' opinions. I think Rubin Report is where I saw the clip.

[@VelkePivo]

The grumpy patriarch at the head of the table saying patriarchal things…damn, I miss him. I’m nothing like that myself but it does hearken to better times

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

Liberal capitalism misses him too, after taking him out of the home for decades to uproot everything central to our culture by putting his kids in school and wife in the office space now there's no more real men to deconstruct...