Free Speech Nation The Podcast with Andrew Doyle: Episode 22 James Lindsay

On this week's episode of Free Speech Nation: The Podcast, Andrew Doyle is joined by author, cultural commentator and mathematician James Lindsay.
James is the founder of New Discourses, an initiative which seeks to help people to understand the new movement of critical social justice. He's also the author of Cynical Theories, a book that he wrote with Helen Pluckrose, and How To Have Impossible Conversations.
In this episode, Andrew and James discuss critical race theory, intersectionality, the new religion of social justice, and the linguistic games that its practitioners play, the importance of satire and what you can do to push back against this new illiberal and intolerant tide.
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[@susanessex6924]

I’m white and worked hard for what I have. That’s hard work not privilege. I was taught by my family to treat all others as I would like to be treated no matter what their colour. That’s not supremacist.

[@phoebewashington2709]

Susan - there are plenty of (white) people living in poverty right now who work hard and still cannot find a way to make ends meet, and who are being told by others they have "privilege". It really is appalling.

[@TheHerrUlf]

If you say "hard work" to Leftists, they respond with a blank stare. They don't know the meaning of the concept. They only know the parasites mode of survival: looting and/or mooching.

[@arcadealchemist]

they are going after YOUR CHILDREN they will turn the children against the parents then exterminate you Watch the movie 4th wave, they will prob lie to the kids too

[@arcadealchemist]

@@TheHerrUlf hard work is racist

[@boldandthebeautifulgimbal2881]

Dr.Doyle and Dr.Lindsey, the next hour and a half will be highly enjoyable.

[@MiMI-hh4ue]

James Lindsey is a legend! This is the man taught me about CRT, and is probably the worlds foremost expert on this ideaoligy. GB News should be honoured to have him on the show.

[@7EiamJ7]

Chris Rufo next

[@MiMI-hh4ue]

@@7EiamJ7 nice!

[@7EiamJ7]

@@MiMI-hh4ue it's rare to find debates on CRT but this literally just popped up in my feed you might be interested in. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zomuc6OFituKbpY

[@MiMI-hh4ue]

@@7EiamJ7 thank you. I will look it up!

[@sumthingwickedly]

I've never heard him before but was spellbound he does what Douglas Murray does for me...reads all the stuff which is simply nonsense but he explains it simply instead of how these clowns put it unintelligibly into books Thankyou...oh and Andrew is fab too

[@Ferdinand314]

I love that Lindsay gives complex subjects their due. Not everything can be condensed into a soundbite.

[@sharifsalem]

That’s a wonderful way of saying that Lindsay is incredibly verbose and incapable of summing up and packaging his thoughts into manageable portions, it’s like a never ending stream of consciousness.

[@Sparta155]

@@sharifsalem Very true, and it's a shame as the other side is adept at transmitting their ideas in an easily digestible way, eg "silence is violence". They do that because it works. Fortunately there are better communicators out there, such as Chris Rufo, and Andrew Doyle of course.

[@c.chinaski3156]

@@sharifsalem that's a wonderful way of saying that a lot of people are too slow or lacking in attention span to follow a complex discussion

[@sharifsalem]

@@c.chinaski3156 not everybody has over two hours for a lot of waffle. I value my time, do you?

[@c.chinaski3156]

@@sharifsalem that's a wonderful way of saying you can't multitask 😂 The joy of podcasts is that you can listen whilst doing other things

[@Gozzillacia]

This is perhaps the most important conversation happening in the Western world -- sadly it still seems like esoteric knowledge - taboo knowledge to the BBC etc. Thanks Andrew, you 're well on your way to becoming a national treasure.

[@DoubleDowner]

It’s crazy that this conversation is very common now, all academics have arrived at similar points of analysis (woke as a religion, they’re trying to deconstruct societal norms et al the french philosophers) yet the conversation is just not allowed on a mainstream platform.

[@nathanwayne1998]

This is one of the best examples of what explains the changes in the media, school, and society

[@notgerhardnotrichter4951]

Fantastic episode! Andrew sums-up James info so well! Thank you ✌

[@johnricercato740]

Andrew Doyle is the only gem in GB News’ tarnished crown. He is by far the best analyst of the woke discourse and the most sympathetic interviewer of the likes of James Lindsay, having the wit and intellect to summarise their key points and interrogate them on the fundamentals of the issues and arguments they present.

[@kiwigrunt330]

Andrew and James together in a podcast. Seven days in and only 7000 views. Where is everyone?

[@TotallySharkyComplete]

Absolutely brilliant Andrew! You had great questions. Could we have an interview with Titania and James next?

[@winstonschwarz1636]

Andrew you are the air I breath. You are jazz on a summer's day. Please don't go away!

[@redpillcertified]

My friend, you may need Marijuana in your life.

[@emmalouie1663]

James Lindsay is a great guest speaker.

[@rosemaryalles6043]

Brilliant conversation. Thank you.

[@iang-lb7nx]

Just read his book "Critical Theories". Absolutely fantastic book. Really explains in detail what we all know is going on.

[@Zantorc]

Two intellectual titans - great discussion on CRT.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Yesssss! James is a rockstar on this topic

[@richardgoodley7845]

His discussions on Sovereign Nations with Michael Fallon and Steven Hicks are excellent.

[@sillygoose4472]

Great questions Mr. Doyle

[@garyphisher7375]

I watch this every week, but KZbin never suggests it for me!

[@thcia]

Great interview. Two of my favourite iconoclasts.

[@newdiscourses]

:)

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Please keep going, you have some passionate fans out here

[@sumthingwickedly]

He makes simple things which are made complex simple again

[@scottwickham2613]

The two of you should do a sketch comedy show with Ryan Long.

[@baronmulberry7847]

Boom baby 💣💣💣

[@dumpsterplayer2700]

Love James; funny and informative

[@boilermaker1337]

Yes, ask for definitions. If the answer isn't clear (it almost certainly won't be), demand clarification. Hound them for clarity until they implode.

[@MatchesMalone1183]

I really hope the day comes in the relatively near future, when people are reading James' work on all things woke, and are aghast that such intellectual oddities and atrocities were a thing that were allowed to exist and were taken seriously.

[@winstonschwarz1636]

This excellent first guest reminds me of Henry Rollins, if Hank had actually put his private education to use and gone to University, instead of a life in American Hardcore, stand-up/spoken word and bit part acting.

[@CatherineKarena]

"make students into change agents" - it's common in business

[@torbjornkarlsen]

Great stuff, as expected. I only wish James would be this well composed on Twitter too.

[@almcdonald8676]

This is like gold doing an interview with platinum about the tricky subject of a new form of lead mixed with shit

[@TBL-Badash]

This is the way...

[@cdm810]

This is barely relevant to the video, but The Guardian gave one of my favorite gross-out comedy movies, The Greasy Strangler, zero out of five stars. The director was bragging about it on Twitter on the film's 5th anniversary. Getting a 1 star review from them likely just means Andrew's show is hilarious.

[@judgedottaylor7565]

Any reason why I'm subscribed with notifications but I have to look for this every week?

[@bozeeke]

Yeah the leftists at Google don't want you to see it.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

A couple of notes: 38:04 accelerate the contradictions, said Lenin 1:04:08 big terms to look out for (in the battle for the linguistic and rhetorical field): Anti-racist, diversity, equity, inclusion, transformative

[@jarethozb07]

Anyone know where I can read the papers that were accepted ?

[@deniseg-hill1730]

How did we manage to live without gender studies and crt !!!

[@reginaldgraves1684]

I can understand whiteness not referring to skin colour, white means good; while magic and black magic. In the expression "play the white man" meaning doing the right thing, whiteness denotes goodness and skin colour.

[@BluegrassGal101]

P.S. Present company very much excluded

[@anlaugschreinerberge4588]

You guys are my heroes! 🙂👍🏻 I have been sitting for 48 hours listening to the both of you in different podcasts and programs on KZbin, and I never, kn years, been both thought so much interseting, been so entertained, and been so activated to have fun thinking along for myself too! ⭐️🦂🫶 The only thing I am sorry about are that I must have been living under a rock, cause I havent really listen to any of you into depths, before I went into this bonanza of listening, and now I cant get enough! I have edited my wishlist at the bookstore, and have your works on the absolutte tops, and are gonna go bookshopping next week, when money arrives to my wallet. Thank you so much for beeing absoltley fantastic and for your excellent works! Much love to both of you from Norway.

[@marieparker3822]

It's in Dominic Raab's office.

[@gandydancerfilms6272]

Maybe these theorists should analyse where the greatest number of slaves now exist, a hgh proportion of whom are black/brown - ie, India and Africa - good luck!

[@andrewrichmond2986]

James Lindsey either purposefully, or through lack of clear understanding, misses the key point of all the late 20th century Marxist thinkers that he criticizes here. Adorno and Gramsci were keenly aware that Capital was adapting to the means and technologies of cultural production, and they were looking for a way to prevent the total subsumption of culture into surplus value. When Capitalism assigns value to language and images, it renders them unfree. So to accuse thinkers that were so concerned with battling Capitalism’s blitzkrieg of thought and culture, of doing the opposite? - of trying to control cultural production- is, well…irresponsible to say the least and nefarious to be more accurate. Here I could point to Facebook’s monetizing of family portraits and political discussion, through click-based targeted advertising, as the culmination of everything Adorno warned and fought against. How would Lindsey propose we free ourselves from Facebook or Instagram then? Can he explain a new system of relations or production that allows for free thought in the 21st century ? 1/2

[@StratsRUs]

Fashified

[@Pareshbpatel]

{2024-03-10}

[@Mobius010]

Christianity institutionalized guilt as a virtue.

[@russellsharpe288]

You'd have to be an idiot to suppose that once you racialise Marxism you still have something remotely recognisable as far-left politics. It is manifestly far-right politics. The clue's not far to seek: 'Racial Socialism'.... which would have been a better term for AH's National Socialism, since he cared not one whit for the German nation, but rather only for the Aryan race (at least before it proved itself inferior to the Slav one). But today we have misogynist bigots calling themselves feminists, homophobic bigots calling themselves LGBT activists, racial obsessives calling their obsession 'antiracism', civil liberties organizations calling for censorship and crackdowns on elementary civil liberties.... so why not Fascists calling themselves Marxists and Communists? "Il fascismo si divide in due parti: il fascismo propriamente detto e l'antifascismo" - Mino Maccari

[@MrMrscoffey]

OBAMA OBAMA

[@sharifsalem]

Biggest problem with James is his inability to get to the point. He is incredibly verbose and it shows in your episode length.

[@oceania2385]

Lol, true. This is one of his shorter interviews. I'm sorry about your hamster btw.

[@GodsCosmicBollock]

He errs on the side of thoroughness and I think that's wise, his only issue for me is a tendency to gallop but that's just because he's been trying to get this message out as much as possible. Sorry about your hamster by the way.

[@bozeeke]

That's actually a valid point. For the average person who's a non-academic or like many people who only have a four year bachelors degree and spent most of their college/university years drinking and fucking, this stuff needs to be explained in a less complex non-academic manner. He needs to come out and explicitly explain what this stuff boils down to, reverse Jim Crow/discrimination against white people.

[@philmessina476]

This conversation about "critical race theory" sounds convoluted. Honestly, this sounds like confused chatter. I empathize with these fellows. They seem sincere. But they are engaging mainly in logical fallacies, ad hominem attacks, and smears. If there is a point these two blokes are making, it gets lost in their manic ranting. These blokes need to engage in a dialogue with opposing interlocutors. As is, this whole broadcast sounds like unpersuasive sophistry.

[@notgerhardnotrichter4951]

Sorry you are wrong, these guys doing very good work in providing main tenants of CRT and its references. Also, most of CRT priests do not engage in discussions ever, because they don't believe in dialogue.

[@TM-st2ye]

Check out New Discourses. Read Kimberly Crenshaw. Read y Jean Stefancic and Richard Delgado. Read Herbert Marcuse. Read Angela Davis.

[@oceania2385]

Kendi, Crenshaw, DiAngelo, won't debate him. As he knows the subject material better than the authors. Plus if you use the word "blokes" you're from the UK. Wait until critical theory gets installed wholesale in your country. You'll have Lindsay on speed dial.

[@jondeibe2294]

I read your post and I saw Ad Hominem and unpersuasive sophistry coming from you instead as they did a step by step dissection and deconstruction of CRT.

[@sharifsalem]

It’s James Lindsay’s trademark, the inability to make a point succinctly.