Michelin Crossclimate 2 Tires Real World MPG Review

Thanks ‎@MichelinGlobal for making these awesome tires.
Rolling into the Real World with Michelin CrossClimate 2 Tires! Join the ride as we dive into a comprehensive MPG review on these game-changer tires for our 2016 Honda Accord! Initially, a slight MPG dip caught our attention, but fear not - after the first few thousand miles, it bounced back to normal. These CrossClimate 2 tires have quickly become our all-time favorites, delivering exceptional traction on curves and tight corners. Rain or shine, they handle like a dream and are even stamped for snow - perfect for those unexpected winter adventures!
Living in sunny SoCal, rain isn't frequent, but the outstanding canyon performance makes every drive an adventure. Aggressive looks paired with summer tire-like handling and winter features - Michelin nailed it! Stay tuned as we share updates on MPG and tire wear. Follow us on all platforms for the latest and catch our handpicked Spotify playlists for the perfect driving soundtrack. Over 20 hours of driving tunes await!
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[@escheidl]

Just an update for CC2's on my Camry hybrid. I now have 83k mi's. on them. I recently had them dismounted from the rims and remounted on the opposite side to get more even wear out of them. That was a $72 expense to have that done at Costco. The insides were wearing out faster than the outsides and I attributed that to constantly driving in the ruts created by the trucks on the interstate. I am well on my way now to achieving 100k+ mi's. out of these tires. I also recently experienced my first flat tire with them. My wife hit something in the road that put a pretty big hole in the face of the tire, causing it to deflate instantly. She was at highway speed so the tire flopped and slammed around pretty violently before she got to a stop which she did as quickly as possible. I figured the tire was totaled when she told me about it, but I couldn't really see any damage other than the hole on the face. I brought it to Costco and they took it off the rim, assessed it, determined it was still good, put a plug in it and re-balanced it. It is good as new again. I attribute it's ability to stand up to such a violent thrashing around at speed to Michelin's superior construction quality. They may be heavy, but they are well built. Just another reason to stick with them when they finally wear out. On a side note. I asked the Service Manager at Costco what he thought of the Bridgestone WeatherPeak 3MSF all weather tires. And he told me that he hated them. I asked why? He said because they have a 70k mi. warranty and they never even get close to that. He said you're doing good to get 30k out of a set of WeatherPeaks. I'm thinking that may be an exaggeration, but it was easy to sense his frustration with them. He told me he's always trying to steer people to the Michelins and that he doesn't like anything Bridgestone except the Blizzak's and their run flat tires, which he said if you have to use run flat tires the Bridgestone's are a good choice. He highly encouraged me to just stick with Michelin.

[@pt109che]

Thank you for your observations and advice. I have Bridgestone Blizzak's for my wife's 2018 CR-V and looking to replace the stock all-seasons with Michelin CC2's.

[@escheidl]

@@pt109che You're welcome. I don't think you can go wrong with the CC2's.

[@escheidl]

I put a set of these CrossClimate 2's (CC2's) on my 2018 Camry Hybrid LE at 55,000 mi. replacing the original Firestone FT-140's that came on the car. I now have 55,000 miles on the CC2's and still have 7/32nds of tread depth left. At this rate of wear, I will be getting well over 100,000 miles out of these tires when I replace them at 4/32nds of tread. These are by far the best tires I've ever owned. They are smooth, quiet, cut through standing water like knives, (at least in the P205/65R16 size my Camry takes) and they grip in all types of weather exceptionally well. I couldn't be happier with them,.. except for one thing. They absolutely destroyed my fuel mileage. My average fuel mileage was over 48 mpg. As soon as I had these tires installed, it dropped to a 40 mpg average. I use my car for work so my route was constant. That's a 16% loss of fuel economy. 40 mpg became my new average for a long time. Slowly but surely, very gradually over time I started to see some very minimal improvements. Now with 55,000 miles on the tires and at 7/32nds tread depth, three years later I can report that I am back up to a 46 mpg average. Still a full 2 mpg less than the car was getting before the CC2's, but I'm very happy to at least be close to what I used to get. Most of my driving is on the interstate around 70 mph or higher. I’ve noticed that these tires slow down a lot quicker when you lift your foot off the throttle at high speeds than the Firestones did. I don't notice it at speeds below 45 mph, but definitely at higher speeds. The excess drag at high speed causes my hybrid to use the engine more and not run on electric as much, thus the big mpg hit. If I drove mostly in the city or at speeds below 45 mph there wouldn’t have been any noticeable difference in fuel economy. When I drive in the city, my mpg graph indicates that I’m still getting over 60 mpg as usual. It's just because my commute is mostly high speed and these tires pull down so fast at high speed that my fuel mileage suffers as bad as it does. At the end of 100,000 miles when these tires finally wear to the point of replacement, I estimate that they will have cost me somewhere around $800 in additional fuel cost. But the nearly double tread life over the Firestones will greatly offset that cost, and they are lightyears better and safer than the original Firestones ever thought of being. So I am okay with the additional fuel cost and feel it was worth the added safety and performance. I still love these tires and will most likely replace them with the same when they wear out.

[@ReadySetElement]

Thanks for sharing your experience! It sounds like the added safety and performance of these tires outweigh the additional fuel cost for you. It's great to hear that you're satisfied with the nearly double tread life and find them superior to the original Firestones. Your perspective on the overall value makes a compelling case for sticking with these tires in the future. It make sme happy to hear postive feedback from people who have had these tires. Alot of people are very interested in these CC2 so your feedback is definitely going to help others thanks for sharing. Hope you subscribe for more content 😊

[@escheidl]

@@ReadySetElement Thanks for the nice reply. One of the reasons I left such a detailed review was because of the title of your video being about real world MPG with these tires. There are a lot of mixed reviews regarding the mpg people are getting with them, as well as mileage. So I just wanted to explain my results and why I feel I'm effected by mpg more than others to help people make their decision better as to whether or not these are the right tires for them. I just want to add that I rotate them every 5k front to back and keep 35 lbs in all 4 per the sticker on the door post. They're filled with nitrogen since I bought them at Costco so the pressure doesn't vary much. I've also never had a flat with them. And to my knowledge I don't think they've ever had to be rebalanced. At least they've never said they did. You could summarize that the high mileage is because I drive like an old man, and maybe I do 🤷‍♂ but my insurance app is always dinging me for cornering and braking too hard, for what that's worth. They have just been great tires that I highly recommend to anyone that feels they will fit their needs well. If you drive a vehicle that gets 25-30 mpg and do mostly city driving, you probably won't notice any difference in fuel mileage at all. 👍

[@친절한테슬라이프life]

That's a really helpful explanation. I wonder how you operate tire positioning while you're driving 55000 miles

[@escheidl]

@@친절한테슬라이프life I rotate them front to back every 5k miles.

[@CharlesBallard-f3t]

@@escheidl that may be the most informative best written review of a product I’ve ever read. Thank you.

[@ffotograffydd]

Different sizes of the CC2 tyre have different fuel consumption ratings, plus it’s also down to how you drive. For my particular car they’re rated better than the tyres it came with new. People get hung up on saving a few MPG but forget that good tyres can save your life in poor weather conditions!

[@ReadySetElement]

Amen!!! 🙏 I did notice my MPG but definitely would not get any other tire besides these.

[@erikshankles6482]

Costco price $1180, Discount Tire $980 as of 8/2/24.

[@ReadySetElement]

Old video but thought I would share. I'm getting better MPG I'm very pleased.

[@TheDunestrider]

I just bought a set. I thought they would be noisy. Even at highway, I could not detect any noise (that is, above and beyond the wind noise on the car).

[@exshenanigan2333]

I was literally expecting some sort of a drone/humming noise after reading comments online but they sound pretty normal to me too. I thought maybe overtime they would become louder but most people seem to still love the tires well beyond 60k.

[@crittercherry3800]

I just replaced mine with a new set. With winter coming I replaced a bit early, at just over 50k miles. I drive a Camry and my mileage came back as the tires wore. Of course, the mileage drop was tiny to begin with. I live in the South and getting that many miles, driving on asphalt as hot as it gets here, from a snow tire is outstanding.

[@brooklynbummer]

Almost one year, only road noise on concrete strips, about one mpg, great steering, great stopping power and feels like a tough tire that can take a beating.

[@ReadySetElement]

I agree great tire overall 👍

[@Jeo-What]

Replaced both OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S & Winter X-Ice XI3 sets after using both new sets for five months only with the CrossClimate 2 (H-Speed rated for softer ride and better MPG & snow traction). It's quieter, more comfortable and much more traction in all conditions except maybe 5~8% less traction than the X-Ice XI3 in Icey conditions in the winter when I would be driving at extreme low speed anyway. Now after 43 months, 56,000 miles / 90,000Km latter on a FWD KIA Niro HEV, I still have 6/32nd tread depth (10/32nd new & Michelin rated the safety level at 2/32nd depth) on all tires getting average: Summer: 61 MPG-US / 73.46 MPG-UK / 3.85L/100KM / 26KM/L Winter: 54 MPG-US / 65 MPG-UK / 4.35L/100KM / 23KM/L Still performing great from hot summer 40F to cold snow stormy/icy wintery -40F weather conditions. Never have tire swapping timing anxiety even at 59F/15C today and getting first snow fall next week at 26.6F/-3C and back to sunny 50F/10C again with the temperature adaptive tire compound. The cost saving on not having to swap the tires twice a year for 5 year will be 60% of the cost of buying another new set of CrossClimate2 tires for me. Maybe the CrossClimate 3 will be out by the time I need the replacement set.

[@sojourner57]

We got our CC2's at Costco as well. We now have 85,500 miles on ours in two and a half years. They rock. They ARE a bit noisier in our 2020 Honda CR-v Hybrid though.

[@rogeratkinson592]

I placed these tires on my Honda Insight, which is a hybrid. I drive pretty much in the middle lane on the highway, more or less at the flow of traffic. In the city, I am almost always at the speed limit. So, on the highway, I generally stay between 65 and 72 MPH. On a really hot summer day, I would get about 52 MPG and about 45 MPG in the city. With these new tires, I am only getting about 40-42 MPG at my normal speeds with mixed driving, but mostly highway. Today, I drove 192 miles and did no higher than 65 MPH. It was about half highway and half city driving. I came out at about 52 MPG, which is pretty high for the cold weather for my car. So, I know that in my case, I'll need to keep my speed way down in order to get good gas mileage. To me, it's worth it because the safety I get from the tires outweighs the need for speed. That's just my two cents.

[@TheAgentAssassin]

They have a break in period before they normalize and youll start to see normal gas mileage.

[@nobodynoone2500]

Do a tread patch test, and experiment with tire inflation. I have had a couple extra psi make 4mpg! Beware if you go too far you get reduced life (you will know by them wearing in the middle faster than the edges) and slightly decreased braking performance at the limit (panic stop).

[@ishkaranbrar313]

I put goodyear assurance comfortdrive on my 17 accord hybrid touring because the stiff ride of this car and it's loud, rattly and squeaky interior simply doesn't fit well with taut riding Michelin's. I wish I chose another car.

[@sansinutube]

My main problem with my CC2 tires is that they pick up a lot of road debris. Not only the rocks in the grooves, but I have had to pull out small metal shards on several occasions, because of how soft they become in summer. Did have one tire replaced at Costco, because one of the metal pieces went too deep. Also a bit more noisy than my stock tires. Everything else about these is great.

[@Gentle1111]

My current Michelins ( energy saver) is wearing out and once it’s time to get new this is the one I am going to go for. The Michelin energy saver is great on gas mileage.

[@user-fp3gx2ow7p]

I’m running Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen 2 but I’m tempted to try these. Please do a snow review if you get the chance. Nice video!

[@ReadySetElement]

Yes we are going up to the mountains this coming up weekend so I hope we get snow 😁

[@Tracy-wr7mj]

I have them on my crv..and haven't noticed them being more noisy or losing mpg at all. They are great at griping and I have had them about 10000 miles..

[@ReadySetElement]

That's awesome! Most people keep telling me the MPG is bad but us too we haven't noticed a big decrease.

[@colo5220]

Hello! What is your tire speed rating? V or H?

[@alouisschafer7212]

All season tires with this tread design seem to be the ultimate daily driver tire there is currently. All the new all seasons from various brands have this tread design and they all ride really well and perform great on water, dirty slippy roads and light winter conditions. Correct tire pressure is the biggest influence in MPG. I actually recommend going with the max recommended pressures the manufacturer specifies. On my Car with these tires I need to overinflate them slighty in the front to around 40psi and keep them around 36psi in the rear when unloaded and I go up to 40psi in the rear when loaded. Less pressure is underinflated and more is overinflated. Reason being its a 2007 Volvo V70 they are nose heavy when unloaded and Volvo specifies max 36psi all around but thats not what I do. Their pressure ratings are kinda bs to be honest like they want you to go down to almost 30 psi in the front under certain conditions like wtf thats basically flat. How deep is the tread on your tires new? Looks like there is plenty.

[@ReadySetElement]

Very good information you shared! Thank you for your insight, I've had them now for over 9k miles on them and my mpg has gotten better.

[@mentoraliji5081]

What kind of Honda accord do you have?

[@ReadySetElement]

2016 EX

[@bowlofchips3170]

I'd be curious to try out these for my MX-5 but they do not make them in the 205/45 r17 size. Real shame. Currently using the Pilot Sport All Season 4's but not great in snow obviously. They don't have the 3 peak mountain snowflake symbol. If I could get away with one set that does summer and snow decently, that'd be a score for me rather than having a set of summer and winter tires. A lot more money.

[@ReadySetElement]

Oh wow that's too bad they don't offer them in that size. That seems like such a hassle to go back and forth from tires when the season changes. Hopefully Michelin will take note and make more options. Thanks for sharing 🙏

[@bowlofchips3170]

I don't know what the deal is and why that tire size is so obscure. There's so few options. Especially winter tires. There's basically nothing. The ND Miata is still in production. You'd think there would be a wider selection by now. I'll have to get a different size within 3%, try and survive winter with all seasons or get a second car for winter. I freaking love my Miata but when it comes to winter, it's obviously not the best choice.

[@mauricedalzot5445]

205/50/17 is just a bit taller

[@terrafirma8813]

The tires perform excellently on my Mazda CX5 but the fuel economy drop is significant, by more than 4 mpg.

[@crazymichigander3130]

Thank you. I drive the same vehicle and was considering these tires. Not sure now

[@robt8042]

I wonder if the different factory that these tyres are made will make a difference in the performance metrics, I'm in Europe and my Michelin CrossClimate 2 are Made in Italy. I see that yours are Made in Canada. I suspect they may be different but I guess we may never find out.

[@quintinblad9544]

@robt8042 I am pretty sure that the North American version has a larger tread depth, so your comment about the differences seem to stand. If I’m not mistaken, the North American version has a 60,000 mile (96,650 km) which is more than the expectation in a Europe.

[@Elaba_]

Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires in the US and Europe are different.

[@thetechlibrarian]

Yes they are they don't last as long in their tune to try to get better fuel economy for fuel prices generally speaking though they are the same

[@NoBucks777]

Good tires! My mpg did go down though. I don’t think the nitrogen makes any difference, just a dealer gimmick.

[@2013TombRaider]

Always get tires from discount, Costco might be good at overall everything but when it comes to tire prices and customer service of warranty. I have been a discount tire customer for 20 years now they will take good care of you also if you even find exact same tire that you want to buy from them cheaper somewhere else like Costco for example. Give me legit proof they will match it.

[@nobodynoone2500]

Was just shopping element tires and these popped up as the highest rated. Really curious if they heat up and get greasy on hot days driving hard.

[@ReadySetElement]

Living in Southern California it gets hot here and I haven't noticed anything like that. Will be sure to follow-up and see during the summer.

[@newcastleboilermaintenance4956]

Got them for my van and I have to say they are the best tyres I have ever had. Drove confidently on snow,rain,... with no issue. . They are the best.

[@ReadySetElement]

That is awesome! I've had mine now for 12k miles and I love them too 😍

[@pacificflooring9631]

I have the Nokia WRG4 on my Ridgeline since 2020, and it still on my wheels. They are very quiet and good handling, even after 4 years. And I believed they are cheaper than Michelin. Tell me what you think.

[@sptrader6316]

If you're getting more wear on the sides rather than the center, your tire pressure is too low. Try adding 2-3 lbs of air and see if that helps.

[@garykang1948]

My mileage almost doubled after installing on my 2021 mazda cx9

[@ReadySetElement]

That's amazing! How do you like your cx9 ?

[@garykang1948]

@@ReadySetElement its a great vehicle, probably best in its class yes it has it quirks..but the handling on it can rival the audi q7.

[@jackkc3041]

Are they directional tires?

[@ReadySetElement]

Yes they are!

[@MrPepelongstockings]

I'e convinced 8 people to switch - all of us have been BLOWN AWAY by the performance. Pair these with an AWD and FORGET about it. Yes, road noise worse - at least on the highway on my luxury sedan (normally very quiet). Mpg is a bit worse but not terrible. They are bad at performance driving, cornering and drifting, but for all normal driving applications it's fantastic. Nothing is better in the rain and wet, and they perform fantastic in snow too. Nothing, including these, is any good on ice. Be careful! I got overconfident then they fully gave out on a patch of ice in the snow they were handing really well.

[@ReadySetElement]

Glad to hear you are safe after that drive-through ice. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😁

[@djkjthe3rd185]

Man, on my 335i these have been incredible in the corners. I came from Pilot Sport All Season 4s, and those are exceptional, so I know what a good performance tire is like 🙃

[@djkjthe3rd185]

Much better treadwear than the Ps4as, lasted 80k for my first set, and I drive spiritedly.

[@kevinfunes1815]

Anyone has experience with these tires on a 2014 Honda Accord CVT engine?

[@ReadySetElement]

We have a 2016 Accord CVT our MPG dropped a bit but has gotten better. Overall, they are not noisy great traction if you are in an area that rains.

[@kevinfunes1815]

@@ReadySetElement Thanks! Living in Houston, Texas. So we gets floods and extreme high heat all the time in the summer. My CVT is also at 130,000 miles, so I have been thinking a bit more on whether I should give these a try!

[@chriscrane1236]

Do you know anyone who runs this tire on an Element ?if so I would like to know how they did. I run them on my Honda Clarity and they are great.

[@ReadySetElement]

How do you like your Clarity? I'm sure it's great MPG huh ?

[@s87583]

Thankful.

[@weedviews]

Nice!!

[@johndosh6832]

How do they perform in the rain and wet?

[@ReadySetElement]

Surprisingly enough, we have gotten a lot of rain in California here and there, and these tires have been amazing, very secure the entire time.

[@yanni2112]

They are awesome, Long Island is wet sometimes and these tires are confidence inspiring.

[@crittercherry3800]

I live in the South where flash flooding occurs regularly. These things cut through standing water like butter. Even with wear. Cornering in the rain is like when it's dry. Of course, I'm not using these on a track. The testing companies say that is the closest to a down vote these tires have, when on a track.

[@dazzassti]

they look very different to the same tires in the UK, tread is much deeper

[@johndosh6832]

I’m in the uk thinking of getting these tyres do you reckon there worth it how are they in the wet and rain as get a lot of that in the uk.

[@Jeo-What]

The UK model has less tread for MPG in mid as less tread = less weight = better MPG = earlier replacement. North American model have more tread = more weight = less MPG = longer warranty but better in aquaplaning resistance and snow traction.

[@johndosh6832]

@@Jeo-What thanks for the info would you recommend these tyres?

[@dazzassti]

@@johndosh6832 mate I made a mistake, i have the gen1 not gen2. They are the same, and yes they’re superb rubber. Well worth getting

[@Jeo-What]

@@johndosh6832 yes, I would recommend it highly and buy it again when my set is done.

[@jonsmith3945]

Since they're directional, it's a hastle to rotate them properly.

[@ReadySetElement]

Not really, costco does it at no cost since I purchased them there and I never have an issue.

[@jonsmith3945]

@@ReadySetElement Will they remove the tire from the rim and re-balance it to put it on the other side of the car? That's what you have to do to properly rotate directional tires. I bet Costco just swaps the front and back tires, which is not the best way to rotate them.

[@escheidl]

@@jonsmith3945 I currently have 83k mi. over 4 yrs. on the CC2's on my Camry hybrid. I purchased them at Costco and have done the front to back rotation every 5k mi's. At 80k mi's. I was told the insides were wearing faster than the outsides of the tires. I chalked it up to driving on the interstate extensively in the rutted lanes made by the trucks which are wider than my car, so I'm always driving on a pretty fair crown. I've never had tires last this long to have ever experienced that before. So I had Costco break all the tires off the rims and swap sides going the same direction to get some wear on the opposite sides of the tires. That cost me $72 to have them do that. And that is the only way to change the wear pattern from the inside to the outside whether you rotate your tires from front to back or side to side. The inside of the rim is always the inside of the rim no matter how you place it on the car or which direction it's going. And no tire shop dismounts your tires from the rims when they rotate them unless you tell them to, and then they will all charge you a dismount/re-mount fee. Costco had the lowest fee I could find to do that by a fair margin. I was quoted up to $104 elsewhere. I am well on my way to achieving over 100k mi's. on these tires. I don't think the forward to back rotation limitation is worth worrying about.

[@arnoldseno9080]

I'm loosing around 5 miles per gallon on cross climate 2 compared to original tires from car manufacturer. I have 2021 Toyota Rav4 hybrid and Im getting an average o 44.4 mpg city driving and using original tires from manufacturer which is Firestone Destination. After I replaced it with Cross Climate 2 I'm getting an average of 39.2 mpg. The diameter of the tires is also significantly smaller because There is difference of 4 KM/hour compared to aftermarket GPS

[@awkc63]

Best tires I've ever owned

[@DiegoZee]

No info on surface types tested or soeeds

[@colo5220]

What is your tires speed rating? H or V?

[@ReadySetElement]

Let me check I'll get back to you. Thats a great question.

[@user-bh9yk2wv4w]

@@ReadySetElementdid you?

[@noahmeme2]

I wish they made them in 15". I have a 2015 civic. 195/65/15

[@Azureecosse]

They do make them in your size well at least here in Northern Europe they do

[@jilljuberian8651]

How are they on uce and deep snow

[@Rapscallion2009]

I put them on my car the other day. Lovely to drive on, but pretty severe impact on fuel consumption. I'm down from 38mpg to around 32. Which is a pretty severe drop at manufactures recommended pressures. I could pump them up above recommended pressures to help economy, but then that would ruin the ride and handling. I can't recommend these at that fuel economy impact. The idea is nice but these definitely need further work. Ive used other all seasons before without such issues.

[@olmsc7v4]

Beware of MPG drop. Had these tires for 11 months now on a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring. Initial mpg suffered new tire syndrome which is normal but substantial. Mpg dropped from a real world 50mpg down to 35 avg. My daily commute is from Baltimore to DC. Over time the rolling resistance gets better, but still not great. 40mpg average. Expect a 10 mpg loss if you previously had an eco tire. I've yet to see my trip computer read 50mpg since installing. A fair trade for more grip and better winter reliability if you live in an area that receives a moderate amount of ice/snow. Please note this is not an apples to apples comparison but should be noted if you don't swap out to a winter set every season.

[@jn3750]

made in?

[@ReadySetElement]

Not sure I understand?

[@jn3750]

are they made in france?@@ReadySetElement

[@robt8042]

@@jn3750 They're made in Canada you can see in the video first few minutes.

[@charelsmissinglink]

We put them on all are cars. I even sold all the winter tires.

[@ReadySetElement]

I love them so far also.

[@michaeldisalvo]

With your experience, what do you think a rwd sports car would be like if just the back tires were swapped to cross climate 2. Imagine normal all season on the front and cross climate 2 on the rear tires of a Supra/Z/Corvette/Miata/Mustang. On normal roads, would the hook up be really great or odd?

[@charelsmissinglink]

@michaeldisalvo it will fuck with the drive Tran. With all wheel all 4 need to be the same. But it's on our Honda crv that's all wheel. Love it.

[@danielslaughter104]

​@charelsmissinglink you're completely wrong. If it's awd, you can't have a major difference in tire size, but either fwd or rwd, you can mismatch tire size and tread depth all you want with literally 0 issues, as long as you match the left to the right.

[@charelsmissinglink]

@@danielslaughter104 that's what I'm saying lol.

[@gerardovm207]

How do they perform in dry and driving the vehicle like i stole it???