Michi is too cringe to be an Idol

[@Emulleator]

just stay being michi

[@devilsadvocate22289]

Honestly, I think being an Idol isn’t what it is all hyped up to be and I can tell Michi can see that too. You can still be a talented singer and not be an idol. From what I’ve seen of the communities, I think it’s better to have a smaller fan community that sees you as a human being and respects you as such than having a big Idol community that might have a few bad eggs that can ruin the dream for you. I think Michi’s got a good thing going where she is now. 😄

[@sugarqbs]

idols imo are more culturally niche than people might realize, the trend these days (at least in the West online) is towards influencers who are more open about their "imperfections" in a relatable way. In recent history, idol culture has had a lot of success in Japan, but not everyone has the kind of social expectations that make idols so suited to that culture so in a broader marketplace it's not necessarily the best strategy anyway

[@joshthefunkdoc]

@@sugarqbs There's actually an interesting conversation in recent years on how even in Japan idols may not QUITE have been what we thought they were in terms of cultural dominance. To be more specific, Japan was much slower than other countries to use streaming numbers for their music charts...because the big idol groups mainly relied on CD sales, so the industry was biased in their favor. Once they finally took streaming into account, AKB48 instantly fell off HARD on those charts while you suddenly started seeing a whole lot more K-Pop.

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Ollie has so much energy despite being dead. Imagine what she was like when she was alive.

[@Silver_Mars]

That's olivia

[@zeilus405]

​@Silver_Mars Yup Olivia, and amazingly Ollie is more energetic as a dead zombie than a living breathing human lol

[@Jm0417-s]

I think Michi has a nice speaking voice. She doesn’t have to be cute or over the top energetic if it’s not in her.

[@joshthefunkdoc]

She sounds downright American a lot with her intonation, like i show her clips to normies and they can't believe she's ESL (Ollie's like this as well imo)

[@cristalwaffle4937]

​@@joshthefunkdoc we Indonesian growing up watching Western movie so we absorb American or British accent like a black hole

[@sugarqbs]

Michi is pure: purely herself. it's far better than trying to be pure by some other standard that dilutes your own personality

[@Phobias124]

That stuff about people figuring out your location is really creepy, and you'd be surprised how little info people need to do that stuff. One guy I follow on KZbin mentioned that one time he posted a photo out of his window. He said there was just a tree there, nothing that really stood out. But within a day or two, people had pinpointed his EXACT location, with just a photo of a tree. Pretty scary if you ask me. So yeah, I totally get why Michi and many others try to keep things secret. People can figure out a lot of very specific details from the smallest amount of info, and if weirdos get that information, things can get scary.

[@LeHarmacist]

XQC’s haters literally becomes rainbolt when they’re trying to triangulate his location so they can send a swat team in his ass

[@Silber7]

The british youtuber GeoWizard (he's expert on geoguessr) has a series where he finds the location of random photos his viewers sent him. It often involves much brute force try and error for hours, but he tends to find all of them. Really fascinating...

[@ceresbane]

she's talking about unicorns.Idol culture in generally is a nt negative. Its cultivates too much bad parasocial behaviour.

[@InfinityBreach]

I sent a lot of donos this stream lol I mainly wanted to let Michi know that her own thoughts regarding her voice, personality, and humor shouldn't be a reason for her not to be an idol- theres plenty in Holo that are more lewd or degen or cringe. Shes got an amazing voice and is a great person, and hopefully will wont beat her own self worth down in the future However wanting to avoid the bad minority that exists within the idol community is so true. There are a few bad eggs and those bad eggs are LOUD

[@joshthefunkdoc]

Yeah i don't think it's confidence for her, more like "now that i know what that life is ACTUALLY like, peace out bitches~"

[@nazimi6853]

I have to say. Michi's joke and energy make you think she will pull an Fillian when you take your eyes of her.

[@Beerbottles123]

Biggest problem is the idol culture. Toxic fans who think they can control their oshi's image and get stupidly pissed when they dont live up to their mindset. It's always that aspect that puts me off idols.

[@CTback]

She was Eddie Haskell during her time in the Yakuza and she's still Eddie Haskell now.

[@blitz_cuby5450]

After watching oshi no ko, I understand now that people are not what they look.

[@christian_swjy]

This may be controversial but I think Michi can make it as an idol.

[@Wring159]

3:54

[@micahfoley9572]

I'd say the idol scale is more like 1 being a plastic sex doll and 10 being a human woman

[@r0landleaf370]

not sure, but I think Melody can help if they both can keep patience. 😁

[@hartlettal8104]

No, she can do whatever she wanted. And not being idol-like avoid the worst type of gachi anyways, so that's some Ws.

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

"Hand fingers" as opposed to what other fingers?

[@fie97]

If you guys know, kpop idol even have to tape their window so that if anyone accidently saw trough the glass, they didn't see them. If they went live, they even have to sencor the reflection on stuff in their home so that they don't accidently doxed themselves (eventho they knew couple of sasaengs have already roaming around their home or dorm. Atuff she said as example about ways of doxing her is just real.

[@alzara3425]

a bit political take here but- FYI there`s a shitty govt rule revision going on where possibly our cencorship department will go to digital which means everything might need to go through them first. This is the same department who make tv station blur Sandy bikini from spongebob and Blur cow`s titty. It`s not happening yet, not in 9 days at least but if this happens and the worst happens i fear it`ll be hard for Michi being Michi. it might a bit exaggerated for me to say this but remembering this govt just hard for me to not worrying

[@edgaratio]

Well, I guess Kaela, Calliope, and Kronii are not idols. Nevermind. It was an excuse not to be an idol. Because afraid of crazy fans/haters.

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

She seems to have a very narrow view of what a vtuber idol has to be. It's fine if she doesn't want to be part of the culture but it's super easy to contradict her definitions just looking at Hololive.

[@joshthefunkdoc]

@@somedudewatchintv5297 tbf i think another part of it is, "vtuber idols" (even the ones who don't want this) tend to attract a significant incel audience that will absolutely try to cancel them if they have any actual opinions or collab with men. Remember how much shit Mori got from the community for being buddies with Trash Taste, or Kronii for putting her foot down re: streaming with Holostars? Sure, you can say they survived that just fine in the long run, but can you blame anyone for not wanting to go through with that? Look at the clip of Buffpup talking about how many people she's slept with, then look at all the comments of people calling her a whore and/or treating her as damaged goods because of that; those are the folks you WILL attract as your fans if you conduct yourself as an "idol" in this space.

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

@joshthefunkdoc maybe I just haven't seen enough, but HoloID fans seem to be fine with male interactions, so it's not impossible. I think if she set clear boundaries, the incels would fall away, leaving the people she actually wants around.

[@voidstrider801]

@@somedudewatchintv5297 There are certain types of people that are just best to filter out of your audience sooner rather than later. Don't let the weirdos get attached, you gotta root them out early on.

[@kagato23]

Henya is not one anymore. She’s not high, but she’s not one.

[@juanma9868]

what going to karaoke with certain songbird do

[@ziggithzaggith]

she wants to separate from idol because of the doxxing/stalking but streaming does the same thing 🤔 in streaming it even happens to small streamers

[@liger04]

She wants to be seperate from idols because doxxing/stalking an idol is normalized. When a person doxxes a streamer it's fucked up, but there's a disturbing number of people repeatedly doxxing/stalking their oshi just to make sure they're still "pure".

[@joshthefunkdoc]

@@liger04 Not even just that, it's not wanting the kind of rabid incel audience that idols inherently appeal to. Think of how many "controversies" in the Hololive community are just women collabing with men!

[@bashamd96]

IDK Michi is just cringe enough to be an idol, I mean, look at Hololive. Many of the girls are cringe, and we love them for it

[@techead23]

The whole idol scene is just too much. The fans are waaaay too parasocial, and turn on their oshi's way too easily.

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

I don't know where she gets the idea that there's a distinct idol personality. I'm sure the corporations have their own very specific idea but they can be varied and fans love them. Does anyone get the impression she's specifically thinking of Suisei?

[@miyraa9630]

Nahh

[@joshthefunkdoc]

To add to my other comments, there's also this pressure not to talk about your problems if you're an "idol". Look at Korone's most recent original song where she straight up says she doesn't do that in the lyrics; that's very much at odds with where Western culture has gone in recent years, i.e. being more open about mental health issues. Perhaps Michi is closer to Enna in spirit here.

[@Malaysian_GenXer]

Kpop idol or jav?