Microsoft Trying to Destroy Windows?

Microsoft seems to be doing everything to destroy Windows. Hiding Local accounts to make sure you can't have one, a Microsoft account only. Destroying the start menu, and more. At the same time, they are trying to make us forget about ARM PCs and AI.
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[@BartSch1pper]

Windows 7 was peak windows. If it wasn't for old architecture and security issues, that operating system would still be the best.

[@johnjakson444]

For my dev work, I choose to use old Skylake mini 1liter desktops from Dell to run Win7 offline, anything newer has to run Win10 or any other OS. MS seems intent on wasting my time with that side panel of useles news like its the Daily Mail of garbage.

[@NetraAmorosi]

Yea, though windows 10 improved windows update considerably minus the force updating bit of course.

[@malloid]

@@NetraAmorosi You're joking! Compared to Win 7 updates - Win 10 is garbage! It really is. I don't know why you think that, but there's so much wrong with Win 10 updates that I don't know where to start...

[@malloid]

This is correct. I was just lamenting yesterday how Windows 10 file copy dialogue doesn't even show you the absolute paths of files being copied now, which is rubbish. In Win 7 you can easily see where files are coming and going to/from, and if there's an issue you can easily spot where the problem is and go to it. You can't do that in Win 10 (without mods). For all of Win 10's pluses, there are far too many minuses. Microsoft has seriously lost its way.

[@Vitorfernandes83]

Windows was always bad. You only realize that once you use Mac for a while. I have a top gaming pc with windows and after formatting and installing. I give it about 2 months to be slower and have some issues. While my Mac which I haven’t formatted in years still runs like the first day I bought it. Windows 7 was the same bad windows. Maybe less bad but still bad.

[@CecilEtienne]

Microsoft have already destroy windows, I have already moved to Linux and never going back to windows.

[@BitsOfTruth]

Me too, Linux Mint. Over 2 years now. So glad I switched.

[@MrVidification]

people said that with early vista, 7, 8.0, 8.1, 10 and now 11, and soon..12

[@Stormlywing]

@@MrVidification They skip Windows 9 because is close to the event of 9.11 but somehow still makes 11 when is says is ended the tower fallen all they has to do is wait for 9:00am or pm in clock to see why i can't trust windows trying to make me think EV was one of them who being remade in 2024

[@ErdrickHero]

Even if Microsoft reversed course, I can never trust their software again. I'll stick with Linux from here on out.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

Well for me, I can use linux but still need to run a windows vm incase i need to use adobe spps

[@LokiScarletWasHere]

@@jirehla-ab1671 You're gonna love what Adobe's going through. They got caught stealing private data so they added it to their terms instead of just not stealing. Every adobe app has a foss replacement if you're willing to learn.

[@laylasmart]

Use Zorin OS. A Linux distro with the feel of Windows.

[@StaceyAyodele]

Damn right. Linux for the win. Linux is freedom. Windows is slavery!

[@jirehla-ab1671]

@@RichardLucas sadly thats what we use in the industry, + if we cant own it then we can pirate it (secretly)

[@hamishthecat4370]

Microsoft, certainly overflowing with incompetence. It''s an operating system, not a prison term.

[@Winnetou17]

I know right ? So many stuff, like the scheduler mentioned, both AMD with the mixed X3D chipsi and Intel with 12-14th gen had loads of problems, some of them still there to this day, almost 3 years after Windows 11 launched supposedly fixing these kind of issues. And many more things that people are complaining yet we learn that Microsoft instead of fixing these went to do things like making Edge forcefully the default or some apps ignore the default. Or steal the data from Chrome (which cannot happen by accident). Or block you from running certain executables, like that was what Windows was missing. In a way I'm happy they are doing that. Best Linux advertisement ever.

[@paulstubbs7678]

At present it seems more desirable to use an unsupported version of windows than upgrade to Win11, not that I can update any of my many PC's to 11.

[@D.von.N]

I know what MS is doing. The majority folks aren't tech savvy and with encryption on default their encryption key is automatically stored in their MS account, so they can retrieve it. And in the process all the telemetry and Recall with AI probably leaking reports about your use of the system so the 3 letter agencies can have a look... If they cannot crack encryption, they will access the data by other means. It is a mess. Go Linux. That way your computer is actually yours, not just rented and at the mercy of the corporation.

[@Maverrick2140]

actually .. i think i know what they are doing .. they are putting so much BS in there to then sell us the fix .. "oh you have too much advertising on your start menu ? - the config menu is confusing ? - here buy this 200$ upgrade to get rid of that issue ...

[@AncientGranules]

Yep!

[@melange78]

But it doesn't make sense if they force companies and governments to move off from it.

[@MegaAkira18]

Switched to Linux and haven’t looked back. It games, it codes, and it works. It still infuriates me how bad the Windows file explorer is and how good the GNOME file explorer is. It just works and never hangs.

[@llothar68]

Hahahah, the one who still can't show previews of PDFs and 15 years without preview at all. Nautilus is the worst FM

[@ShamanKish]

Atari ST had much better file selectors 😁

[@erikferguson71]

Linux Mint Cinnamon is faster and more stable than any version of Windows that I have used personally over the past 30 years.

[@fredsas12]

We'll see how long that lasts.. As more people join Linux expecting the green grass, corporations will then realise they can make money on it, e.g.; games gets realised natively and THEN it becomes a paid OS.. Where are you going to run to then?

[@ShamanKish]

@@fredsas12 Main problem is lack of drivers for hardware. I wanted but couldn't find drivers for scanner. Sadly, hardware producers don't invest into drivers for 300+ distros 🤭

[@IreneSmith]

I can do without the AI that's already there. I got a message today saying, "We noticed that you have several unused printers installed. Remove them?" My reaction was what are you doing noticing things on my computer?

[@Cracker-p9q]

It's a bit freaky so thy're snooping around your pc? That's very nice of them.

[@michaelwiley5427]

Agree! Windows has become bloatware.

[@laylasmart]

You forgot also spyware with it's Copilot AI and Recall.

[@engiecat705]

Always has been

[@tomprice5496]

Windows 7 was spyware. Windows 10 added adware. Windows 11 is now essentially ransomware (bitlocker)

[@skyknight0408]

@@tomprice5496 Even XP had spyware in it. Otherwise there would've been no reason for "XP Antispy". Similar tools existed for every windows since and were always among the most popular downloads on all the tech sites. For Windows 10 I use OOSU to deactivate all the things that phone home. It can also help to get rid of some of the bloat. I will never go to 11!

[@Stormlywing]

@@laylasmart At least it made RAT hackers free access to your recording just think if you let someone in your family access their accounts and it recorded everything made scammers easy to access data because is only opens on their accounts which the user allow them to control Did someone took my bus ( they can't mark it as stealing even if it was tooken ) because you left your keys in so they just Took it and worst they can't really be marked as a someone who done theft to your bus because they did not bypass anything just took your ride

[@erikferguson71]

Windows has been crap since Windows 8. I use other options now.

[@Feed9Will]

The direction is less independence for end user and greater control. IMO their long term goal is thin client computing and your Windows "PC" will be azure / cloud / VDI subscription. They don't give a damn about Windows as an OS. How many years of windows 10 settings + control panel still fragmented to hell. Its all about subs, azure, 365, re-occurring licensing. It won't shock me when only "approved" store applications are allowed to install / run on "your" Windows PC. Just like BS mobile industry with its no root rights mindset. Don't really own it. Oh - and goal for AI to know more about the content of your life than you do.

[@superstar64]

The already tried that, it was called Windows RT. Then they tried it again and called it "S mode"

[@GrayaOverload]

That goal for AI. Can they get auto correct (auto guess) to work right? Let's start there.

[@Feed9Will]

​@@superstar64 I'm envisioning a consumer going to a best buy and all is offered is a Microsoft thin client device. With thin client you'll sign a Windows service contract just like a cell phone plan. Locked down S mode will be the only mode. Cancel sub get an early termination fee + earn a new paper weight thin client.

[@Feed9Will]

@@GrayaOverload They might get auto correct / voice recognition awesome at some point. They have to market / convince peeps they want AI local processing on their device. I've used Debian for servers + docker for many years but don't feel its ideal for desktop OS. I'm exploring Linux mint + Fedora for next year cut over around Win10 EOL.

[@superstar64]

@@Feed9Will That's why I'll spend my money on a Mac.

[@hawkertyphoon4537]

Linux Mint for personal use!

[@artos6209]

That is what I am moving towards.

[@allgamebeija]

Moved into Mint yesterday, i got day off today and im surfing on some videos and getting deep in the customization iceberg lol

[@laylasmart]

Zorin OS. A Linux distro with the feel of Windows.

[@UmVtCg]

Meh, I've installed that, don't like it.

[@laylasmart]

@@UmVtCg Which one you didn't like? And please tell why.

[@Zaal15]

Windows is getting worse.. Linux is getting better! :D

[@llothar68]

Can't say this. Of course Linux is getting better but it still unuseable for Joe Average. And so many things that still are difficult (certified encrypted PDF for visa applications - no free OS can do this). Wayland blocks the display server => Ctrl-Shift-Alt, Printing is 10x slower on Linux, Network problems and disappearing network devices (latest Fedora Upgrade 4 month ago) .....

[@jedipadawan7023]

@@llothar68 If by Average Joe you mean the common man doing the tasts the common man does on laptop, Linux is now great. I have put Linux (KDE) on four laptops and one desktop in the last year for use by non-techies. Absolutely NO compliaints. Set up, tweak and then everything runs fine and they can do all their work again without having to fork out on new kit for Windows 10 or 11. No network issues, no wifi issues, youtube, Google all run fine and that's pretty much the extent of need for the common man these days. If it didn't work for Average Joe I would be having complaints like crazy. I have had to turn down on eager wannabe convert because they use an ancient version of AutoCAD for the family business along with a load of other creaking propriatory specialist stuff and I had to direct them to new hardware and Windows. But that was a bit beyond 'Average Joe.'

[@jakejoyride]

I'm using Linux but under Ubuntu my 13700k had 50% performance

[@jedipadawan7023]

@@jakejoyride Just for reference, a lot depends on the kernel and timing under Linux. When new tech appears it takes time for Linux to optimize so if the 12700 was new at the time then performance will not be optimized until a new kernel appears and even then you have to install the new kernel - though under Ubuntu it's not really a big deal. However, firmware can be an issue and it's work checking if your distro using the suppliers propitiatory firmware if you want best performance. Also, you can get speed optimized kernels though at cost to power consumption. The Liquorix and Xanmod kernels are pretty easy to install and are updated frequently. So it is possible that the default kernel of any distro at a particular time may not delver best performance and then it might be worth looking at an optimized kernel... or just waiting until a new kernel is released with better support for a brand new CPU.

[@Rushtallica]

@@jakejoyride I understand you likely compared the performance with Windows currently, but just throwing it out there that there are massive problems with the 13th and 14th gen CPU's -- at least the 700 and 900 models, where many have been degrading rapidly -- even some of the types of CPU's being used in servers in stable conditions/no overclocking or high heat. Hardware Unboxed and Level1Techs are 2 of the ones posting videos a couple months ago and recently regarding it and worth searching up and watching if not already familiar with it.

[@goeiecool9999]

It's fascinating hubris to make a microsoft account mandatory for the stated goal of "seamless integration with MS services". Remember when they got in trouble for simply bundling a web browser or a media player? If those same prosecutors were around today microsoft would get executed for this.

[@looneyburgmusic]

As would Apple and Google, who both do the exact same thing. Time, and technology, and user expectations, have moved on. Perhaps you would care to join the rest of us in the 21st Century?

[@Winnetou17]

@@looneyburgmusic Just because they managed to make it the norm, doesn't mean that it should be like that. The rest of you "in the 21st Century" need to brought back to sane normals, like owning what you buy and having control over what you own. It's already a dystopian world, as seen by people like that guy who had its Google account shut down because they beleived he was doing child p*rn when in reality he just sent a photo of his sick baby to the doctor, during the lockdowns. And there are other examples in the same nature.

[@eeaotly]

My expectation is stable: I don't want to have to relearn Windows just because Windows wants to do huge pointless modifications to each version. If I really need to learn everything, then I do it with something that has a valid reason to be be learned: Linux. Otherwise, don't break it by trying to improve it when it was already working very well. And don't bloat it when people (1) don't have money to buy lates technology just to run your resource-hungry OS, (2) people already know how to install programs and they have their own list of favourite software saved somewhere. Being in XXIst century means listening to the ones that have made you great - your users - not expecting from them to be your doormat.

[@rick942net]

Agreed, we need more EU antitrust suits!

[@computernerd8157]

​@@looneyburgmusic Unless you have a clear example of those two companies doing the same thing, I am not buying it. All companies have their issues, but as far as I can tell, Microsoft is the most unbearable. The good news is that if you don't want to deal with it, you have alternatives; however, you are forced to know how to use Microsoft products in most tech jobs unless you find a .Net free tech stack to work with. The cycle will never end because users will continue to support Microsoft, Apple, and Google because the alternatives don't have their software of choice. This is why companies have no incentive to change. The consumer is in a hell of their own making.

[@elmariachi5133]

'Trying' to destroy Windows? They are enthusiastically doing so since 2006.

[@nickocadoavocado4251]

nah, windows 7 was the peak. after that it all went downhill.

[@elmariachi5133]

@@nickocadoavocado4251Windows 7 sucked. Childish and antiproductive and interface slowing an professional down (proven by studies)y, also it lost important features since XP. For example Hardware accelerated sound and per folder view options where just lost without proper replacement, because due to a lack of able an experienced developers MS wasnt able to keep old features working anymore ever since. Also it made an insane step back in performance. No windows version before ever took minutes to hours for just deleting a folder with some thousands of files. Practically all important downsides already cae with Vista but W7 did not fix an of the important issues. It was just liked by all the casual users, becaue they removed a few annoying changes that Vista had made,like the sidebar. Effectively it was uter rap compared to XP. And: No - DX10 is NO significant feature of Windows 7, because the only reaosn it does not (officially) exist fr XP is that Microsoft of course intentionally mad eit like this for selling W7 better. Theres no reason that anything of the irrelevant ew things that W7 could do more could not have been made on the endlessly better XP - or even better 2K.

[@skyknight0408]

@@nickocadoavocado4251 Win 7 was a lucky shot. They created a good OS by total coincidence and haven't been able to recreate it since, because they never understood what made it great!

[@BoGy1980]

Windows 10 is the last windows I installed on my daily gaming system..... Just like microsoft said; 'Windows 10 is the final OS".... after that they started shipping adware instead of an OS. Even telemetry is already a stretch too far ... so those things are disabled here, but when windows 10 goes EOL, my main system goes linux...... all my other systems are already running linux because of Microsoft implementing "Macintosh-strategies"

[@peterjackson2625]

Windows 7 is the last version I am prepared to use.

[@AnonYmous-yz9zq]

Five years ago they pushed me to Linux after 20 years, I have to thank them for that. I know fire QA and get it free from beta testers.

[@stonesfan285]

I liked Windows XP and 7 where you did your install off of the CD, made your local account, did your updates, installed all your programs and that was it. Off to the races. It's like with Windows 8/8.1 and the Windows Phone, they tried to change it into an online/service/app experience. Windows 10 went back towards the "power user" setup like XP and 7 had, but my major gripe with it was all the data collection/telemetry. Like if they had just done proper QC testing, there would be no need to constantly do that and monitor everything. Then you see all these online data breaches and government abuse of these products and I just decided to leave entirely and put Linux on my computer. At least they can't just say I agreed to hand over all my information. Windows 11 was a deal breaker for a lot of people because of this Recall thing. They stepped that back but there's nothing that says they can't just flip a switch and start collecting everything you do, or maybe they are doing it secretly anyway. That said, I run Linux Mint and keep a Windows 7 VM and it runs the few apps I need just fine.

[@Trevorodunne]

I notice Windows 10 every time I update software or uninstall software a process runs and sends data back to Microsoft. I usually kill the process

[@What_do_I_Think]

I have watched Microsoft for decades now. The premise of it always was: "Create some thing that is just good enough that ppl will buy it." "Just good enough" is simply NOT good enough. It is a crappy attitude from somebody you can not trust. Microsoft never changed that attitude. They developed Windows not because they invented it or they wanted to improve it, but just to cut down the competition with the least possible effort. It is actively consumer unfriendly behavior, which not only produces mediocre, but totally inferrior products.

[@SL4RK]

There are many functions that need to be redesigned, such as the "file history" function which still works and is quite useful, but the average user doesn't even know that a "time machine" feature even exists in windows, because microsoft have pushed it to the back of the queue, If you don't know how to get to the old control panel, you will never find it, same goes for dlna media server, it takes at least 10 steps before I get to the old panel and the settings for that feature, in the meantime they keep adding rubbish. I miss the days of windows 7 and in general when ux design still existed.

[@tonywise198]

I migrated to Linux in 2020. I'm glad I did - Windows 11 has just got worse and worse, with Microsoft not giving a Flying F@@@ about its customer base.

[@Sparky_awtter]

Please give linux a try, if you try it, you'll love it. I left windows behind 2 months ago, never looked back.

[@GrayaOverload]

I do enjoy Linux, I have the problem where I get in to switching distos, got to try them all.

[@jaxonswain3408]

I'm in the process of dual booting win10 alongside Linux Mint this week. I've never used a Linux distro before so it should be new and exciting. 😁

[@Sybertek]

​@@jaxonswain3408Windows being dual booted alongside a Linux distro isn't a good idea in my experience. I would just get a new drive to run the other distro on since I've had one OS brick while trying to coexist with the other. By all means, give it a shot, but I just wanted to tell you about my experience since it can get complicated in that configuration.

[@AncientGranules]

Finally someone that actually says it as it is! Having your computer continuously connected with Microsoft account is STUPID! Imagine millions of users connecting equals millions possibilities to be hacked as well! AI? Ffffff😂😂😂

[@Clozof]

Easy Solution: Linux Mint.

[@nou712]

I was considering switching from Windows 7 to Windows 10 a while back. But seeing what was happening on 11 made me change my mind. We all know the things we can't stand in 11 are going to get pushed in updates to 10. They added various spying telemetry in 7 as well in the end. I've been using Debian Linux for long enough that i wouldn't switch back to windows even without the spying, or having to pay up. You can't chroot from a windows install disc to a functional windows install and use programs that way. I can do more with Linux, and since it's so open i've had a lot at my disposal to learn how things work. It's not for everyone, but if you use WSL, i would suggest you try the real deal.

[@theonerm2]

Personally I only use Windows for 2 reasons. Number 1 is familiarity. Number 2 is compatibility with the software I like to use. I'd use Linux if I could get both of those things on it.

[@bobmcbob4399]

I'm a C# developer heavily invested in Winforms. My last OS was Win7 (no updates since installation). I moved to PopOS a couple years ago. I likely won't be doing C# in future and certainly not Winforms or Win gui. Been on C# since it's inception. Next will be Python or Java/Type Script. My reason for abandoning windows is "Loss of Control" which is of huge importance to me.

[@JudgeFredd]

Ditched Windows for Macs - will not go back !

[@NetraAmorosi]

Apple is way too overpriced, locked down, and underhanded in it's own ways for my taste. Linux is the only real alternative to me, though it still has it's areas that it needs to build on and refine.

[@Rushtallica]

If I don't find success getting a good working Windows VM with low audio latency working for recording music, I will use my M1 for it, but my understanding is Mac isn't that much better than Windows regarding privacy. I'll still try to use Linux for many things, though again the use of KZbin or even most web browsers is giving away tons of information to the vultures.

[@ForeverDownByLaw]

@@Rushtallica Most information re: Mac is anonymous when using their services and much is encrypted. Apple is pretty good about privacy, especially compared to Windows/Microsoft. I own both, but I only use my P.C. for 3d work, no personal info on it and not signed into a MS account. Frankly I'm looking at loading Linux on it when I get comfortable enough.

[@Wierie_]

Iphones literally have a backdoor since ios 13

[@Stormlywing]

@@NetraAmorosi of curse they are overpriced their stuff is only cheap because is way to dead to be profitable by apple to sell Your mac that everyone wants( M2 PRO 8GB RAM 256GB ) Your Old Mac mini that cheap and no one wants 2 core in 2024 ( Intel core 2 core 4GB RAM 128GB or 64GB ) - No one wants it because is basically on is own 2 legs on every task given ( ram too small cpu basically too slow to work with new 2024 software

[@romulino]

As a web developer, it was very easy to go to Linux, but I feel bad for the people who can't. Windows is getting worse in perceivable ways after each update. 🤷‍♂️

[@rick942net]

Good video, windows used to be a tool to do things, now it feels oppressive and frustrating. I hate to say it but console gaming is less stress than dealing (fighting) with windows. Kudos to those who went linux way back!

[@peterjackson2625]

I have thought for several years that Microsoft is committing Windows suicide. Google is just as good and file storage is far better.

[@danalotzgesell538]

I suppose you are right but I just don't trust Google. Google search is complete waste now. I have had to go to a private search engine.

[@82andymac]

Remember when Microsoft made operating systems that could just operate the system, and you were like "no way" 😂 That was great...

[@TabletMini]

With Windows 11 feels there are more mouse clicking before works are done

[@momentomoridoth2007]

as someone who has exclusively used Linux for over 20 years, I watch videos like this to try to understand why people use windows in 2024. It is time to move on, my dude.

[@TheDZHEX]

I have two GPUs in my PC. ...that's about it xD yes, it is causing all sorts of original and creative problems in linux, while on windows, it kinda (trigger warning) *just works.*

[@AlfaPro1337]

X - Doubt

[@Debiano_Banano]

my exact same sentiment bro... unbelievable.... if only there was a no spyware option that already does everything better than Windows, except for running a few proprietary apps & some games?

[@Winnetou17]

Try setting up Linux for a old relative which you only see once or twice per year and you'd understand. For basic folk it's still just the easy "just works" way. And there are also cases where it's required for specific cases, like those stupid games with that rootkit they call anticheat, or those stupid Adobe programs (man, Microsoft should pay Adobe, they have no idea how many people wouldn't switch just because of Adobe products. Fortunately Adobe is so greedy and stupid, now alternatives are rising from people that got fed up with their BS) or simply developing Windows apps. Frustratingly is that also many, MANY big companies use the Microsoft ecosystem because they have everything they need - the Office suite, Active Directory, Teams, Windows enterprise which can be controlled pretty well. And such, they don't want to try alternatives, or stick to this but also offer Linux support for their staff, because in this day and age AI spending is more important that 2-3 extra guys in the IT deparment. So much hate.

[@MeowtronStar]

I'm an Archlinux user. I'll tell you why Linux will probably never be mainstream: it's not user friendly. Linux inherently requires a level of technical know-how and the patience to solve problems. Do you know how much of a minority we are? 98% of users want a device that "just works". They will not google, they will not "read the manual". Everything must work immediately from the get go. One click and done. Almost no one wants to know what a package manager is. The Linux open source community takes a foolish pride in orienting things towards techies. Most people just want it to be accessible. Microsoft banks on that. Besides you and me, who cares about privacy? If the computer turns on and opens Microsoft Excel for their office job, they'll stick with it. I can guarantee you that 99% of current Windows users will never learn how to create a bootable USB. They'll use whatever comes pre-installed in their laptop or what everyone else around them uses. They are Microsoft's target demographic and Microsoft intends to make them more docile by offering AI to automate things. It is not the users' fault. As Linus Trovalts himself said, the problem with linux is the linux community. Because they don't put in the effort to welcome the average user. No one is gonna choose GIMP over Photoshop if GIMP remains shittier to use.

[@RikkiSan1]

I have jumped to Linux and it was not a decision I made lightly, but I have just gotten so sick of Windows and what Microsoft has done to it even now I am using a heavily modified version of Windows that will removes a lot of features using Scripts, it's not perfect and if I want to keep it that way I have to not update it but I rather have an outdated system than whatever shit Microsoft is trying to force me to use.

[@patrickcollins5783]

This aged well! Nailed it Graya!!

[@moow950]

Recall is the ultimate bad move by Microsoft

[@jrkorman]

It concerns me that I don't that it is the ultimate bad move. There are certainly worse moves!

[@GrayaOverload]

For now they will just try harder for the next one.

[@PixelShade]

The only thing I hear when companies say they want to increase "security" as a justification for online accounts, the only thing I hear is: "We want to sell your data, but we don't know how we can sell that to our users"

[@Boney-UK64]

At 60 I had to move to Linux 2 months ago, I use Ubuntu Studio on mini PC, Mint on MS surface 5, Mint on main gaming PC dual booting to win 11. I'm VERY happy to finally make the move, Ubuntu Studio is my daily driver on mini PC, everything worked on install. I prefer many features of US and Mint over windows, I can't see a reason to go back.

[@larrycullen9117]

I tried Linux several times with disappointing results, but the OS kept improving and became robust enough to support WiFi out of the box. So I finally switched to Linux on my personal computer 15 years ago and never looked back. I'm running Pop! OS on a System76 laptop and love it.

[@GrayaOverload]

Still trying to decide which one should be on my main system, Just need to resist the urge to change distos after a while.

[@stevejohnson1321]

I don't need commercial applications, so I evicted "windows" back in January of 2009. That's saved me tons of money. I don't need to buy new systems just to run latest "windows."

[@alekjwrgnwekfgn]

Some people think the poo emoji is ice cream. I guess they love Microsoft, soft-serve.

[@innerbytes]

Switched to Mac since 2008 and not going to go back. As long as Windows exists macos will always be better. Because Apple simply takes how Windows does it and doesn't do it like that.

[@dobias28]

I just side loaded Linux on my PC. Now it's time to start move stuff from one OS to the other and once everything is set up and works, it's gonna be the "bye bye windows time"

[@hegedusuk]

At least with MacOS you can choose to use a local account and add an Apple account separately

[@GrayaOverload]

True, the whole right to repair is another story with them. I just want a perfect company, consumer focused.

[@watcherworld5873]

I installed Win 11, and spent hours customizing it to get it not to serve me ads. After that, the experience is tolerable.

[@GrayaOverload]

Most users won't do that, and you have the average user frustrated.

[@NexGen-3D]

Ive been using Windows for over 3 decades now, and peak for me was Windows 2000, it was awesome, WIn XP wasn't terrible, Windows 7 was okay, after these its has just gone down hill, Windows 11 is a steaming pile of dog p00, when 7 came out, they should have started work on a completely new foundation for the OS, and just kept 7 ticking along, what we have now is decades of old rotting timber foundations that are having a knock-on effect to the rest of the system, I have already switched my main gaming rig to Linux, thanks to Steam, and I have a handheld that I also removed Windows 11 from and installed Linux, thanks to Steam, this is where Microsoft is going to take the very first loss, gaming on PC, Linux in some scenarios, is already better for gaming.

[@laylasmart]

Use Zorin OS. A Linux distro with the feel of Windows.

[@jazzdirt]

After the whole "Recall" debacle, I switched to 🐧. Haven't looked back once..

[@mrsrhardy]

clean windows without activation, local account and selectable add-ons I can choose to add or remove!

[@jabezhane]

I also think a lot of the current tech snafus we are seeing are partly due to a lot of tech folks aged 45+ just quit during Covid and just after. A lot of reasoned experience that would shoot down a lot of these bad ideas has just gone.

[@GrayaOverload]

That could be.

[@chrisaustin6255]

they make these changes or add features like collections, they don't works so you go back to favorites, who the hell is in charge

[@RetroBoxesShop]

If Apple were the first to use AI in their OS, the narrative would be about their innovation and how they are far ahead of their competitors, with Windows being described as still in the Stone Age, and so on. No one talks about how every few years you have to change your Apple hardware to use new development tools and new OS versions. "Because it's Apple, no one talks about it!" Compatibility issues? Soldered hardware? $100 a year to publish on the Apple Store?

[@TheChipMcDonald]

A lot of software and technical systems these days seems inexplicably badly designed or broken....

[@jean-michelgilbert8136]

Open source LLMs already make co-pilot irrelevant.

[@Arturiens]

Microsoft is just one disaster after another. The entire company needs new leadership.

[@sokpisethlalalanno]

Windows 10 or 11 is still cores from Windows 8.1 but different on UI Elements, So basically if you're using Windows 10 or Windows 11 that's meaning you're using Windows 8.1

[@GrayaOverload]

And this Hybrid architectures on CPU today are not playing well with Windows.

[@jaygordon4053]

M$ specializes in forcing stuff on me that I don't want, breaking features I do want, and all-around wasting my time.

[@theonerm2]

Your voice sounds a lot like how my doctor sounds. I feel like I'm at the doctor when listening to you.

[@GrayaOverload]

In that case you are in good health. :)

[@theonerm2]

@@GrayaOverload Great. That's the good news I wanted to hear!

[@mrright1068]

These reasons and more is why I am linux mint. I am a long time MS app dev and now am on linux with vms in case I need windows. Even the ADHD approach to the dev tools from MS is frustrating. I am moving my apps to linux and as soon as I can I am not looking back. It didnt need to be this way. Everything cloud is not the answer for all use cases. Remember the cloud is just someone elses computer.

[@alen2937]

Moved to Debian 11 since windows 11 decided to go full TPM. Never went back... it has been a great OS, then Endeavour OS is just the icing over the cake.

[@MrRyuken555]

Yeah EndevourOS is great have it installed on most of my machines. Just keep Windows for required Adobe and Microsoft software. Wish Linux could run office 365 natively and the Adobe suites.

[@peterjansen4826]

I haven't booted Windows on my PC's in the last 4 years, I haven't had it on my PC's in the last 4 years. For education I did use Windows in a VM occasionally. In the future I will just set up passthrough of my graphics card or integrated graphics (hence in the future, I have a Ryzen 3700X which doesn't have that) to the VM if I have to use Windows and that way get native-level performance but without all the downsides of Windows. I will never use Windows privately again, at most because a school or employer uses a Windows-only program which I have to use.

[@saltalmighty1141]

As a IT professional who uses all of the main OS's , im not gonna move to Windows 11 ... cause it can't run on my i7700k with 32gb of Ram...excuse me ?? So that PC will have Debian next 😀. As for my " efficitent on the go travel-Laptop" i use a macbook air m1 , and for how awful Apple is with reparability .. it won't force you onto any account,

[@timothygibney159]

Windows is like herpes no matter how hard you try to get rid of it bad flares up keep returning and if never goes away

[@jean-michelgilbert8136]

Your scheduler is junk... Ain't that the truth 🤣. Gotta work around it somehow as programmers though: one thread per physical core and lock that thread to that core.

[@gudmundurThor96Nr2]

I have only been using Tiny11 a debloated version of Windows 11 to rip and backup my Blu-ray collection. otherwise I do not even use it for gaming.

[@danalotzgesell538]

I am a longtime user, but not developer so I don't understand all the things you are referring to. But, why do the keep putting elementary access elements under layers of crap. I am still going to beat it if there is any way to do it. What is the point? Why couldn't they just take XP or 7, add the new stuff necessary as the hardware expands, & leave it alone? And now, you have to be online to operate 365? I don't to be online all time. Maybe Linux is the answer. I've been with MS since DOS 3.0!

[@HeadPats4Peter]

I installed Nobara linux on an old laptop for trying out. probably will try to run some of the sh files I got from GOG games to checkout. ( or I might forget to, since my desktop is my main gaming computer now)

[@My2CentsYall]

Every year window get more and more intrusive. Window vista was their best release you were not connected to Microsoft 24/7. The idea they are touting security when it not true instead of one network being exposed you can expose millions of computers all at once.

[@jamesross3939]

Because they have to show grouth. The never ending goal to squeeze every last cent out of every opportunity possible. 1/2c for a START add? Do it. Meanwhile loosing the big picture of what an OS is. Quit forcing users to change shit.

[@ian_b]

Windows 11 is horrible. I want to know why MIcrosoft hates the Start Menu so much. The 11 version is unusable if you have more than a few "apps" you use regularly.

[@malloid]

Windows 11 Pro is $190... They want me to pay that, so that they can serve me ads, scrape my data, give me bloat and useless features I've no interest in (AI), AND use an MS account so that they can try to lock me into paying for their garbage services? No effing way! I still use (a very de-bloated) Windows 10 on my desktop PC, and regular Win 10 on a laptop. The Win 10 update on my laptop last week screwed all my customisation and added a load of data-scraping privacy rubbish, and re-added OneDrive nags and made Edge default browser again without my permission... that made me very angry. Thankfully, my desktop PC wasn't affected (because I've removed the Windows Experience components, which cause most of this bloat trouble in the first place). Microsoft is going the way of Adobe... Ignoring their customers and scamming them... And this comes down from the top - sociopathic executives, who'll stop at nothing to get what they want. Well, f**k Microsoft, because this is the last version of Windows I'll ever use.

[@dspamers]

Start in center is off-balance with the way they did it. Mac does it better with the dock only on the bottom and the time at the top. Without adding a top menu bar Microsoft could've done it better by putting the system tray and its overflow on the left, start menu center & network & time on the right.

[@GrayaOverload]

They should have never moved the start menu. One of the biggest complains from clients.

[@JohnSmith-mi6qt]

Windows' entire raison d'être post windows 7 is to vacuum up as much user data as possible to allow microsoft to train their crappy AIs, cash in on data brokers and other advertisers, and ultimately to quadruple dip on as many already paying customers as possible. Thats why these latest OSes are free updates now. Local accounts severely restrict that ability. It is still possible to make windows somewhat privateish through tweaking a LOT of deeply burried settings, but they are often reset after updates and you need to go through that whole process again on a regular basis to maintain that somewhat privateish state. Apple is a safer mainstream/convenient platform (though still far from perfect), but Linux all the way whenever possible!

[@GrayaOverload]

I don't think even if they charged for updates they would not have ads.

[@bloxyman22]

Everything since WinXP has been a downgrade and that was already barely an upgrade from Win2k.

[@danielleblanc5923]

Loosing track of what makes a good technical product in large corporation is what happens when the finance boys or at least the commercial side of things takes over. This happened to: (non exhaustive) Boeing, HP, Oracle .... and Microsoft. The sweet sport was around Windows 2000 / NT4 then it went down the drain. These OSes where incredibly lightweight and did what people wanted. Besides you did not need to put a drop of blood somewhere to make stuff work. With the odd licensing of Windows 10 and up, they actually fired the bulk of the engineers (too costly), so the end user is being the beta tester and then the OS decides to update (break) in the middle of your most sensitive business activity. Making this behaviour mandatory is just a big red flag for me besides being somewhat of a "middle finger to the customer". So, this prompted me to move over to Linux, not going back. I have some activities on Windows (software testing) but not on my main machine, not even dual boot. Linux breaks too, but at least it asks your permission. As you state, Windows needs to become an OS again, and nothing else. Extra functions, on the side should be an opt in.

[@VattenDemonen]

I feel like microsoft with windows 11 just put makup on a pig. All that flashy stuff is just nonsense and useless.

[@PuchoWebSolutions]

Do you feel Microsoft cares more about their stock price and corporate customers rather than lowly home users?

[@GrayaOverload]

They care about that and AI

[@ChrisKhaled83]

Microsoft needs to stop putting lipstick on a pig. And concentrate on making a proper OS, and not an advertising bloated, spyware platform.

[@Dave_Parrott]

I'm down from 6 windows computers to 1. Linux on all the rest, including my Surface. Only my studio computer is still running Win 10 because I'm not sacrificing my tens of thousands of software I already know, some of which there are no alternatives for, and Wine support is not there yet for my needs. If I could run everything through Wine, I'd be 100% Linux in the drop of a hat!

[@LandGrabbingIndia]

The caste system from the Indian CEO of Microsoft.

[@Maxume]

It would be fascinating to see just how much money Microsucks has invested in trying to circumvent work-arounds to their horrendous "features," since the inception of Win11.

[@mlzphoto-official]

m$ needs to make an OPERATING SYSTEM, that handles BASIC hardware functions, not a jail.

[@whatzause]

Windows became very stable AND very intuitive with XP. Everyone talks about 7 and 8, etc. But they were steps down from XP. MS could have NOT ruined XP if they wanted to, and recognized how user-friendly XP was. THEY CHANGED XP INTO ALL ITS SUCCESSORS FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE ONLY. I still use XP for the tons of things it does better than any of the later Windows versions. Just because MS stopped supporting XP does not mean it wasn't a superior version. New technological improvements could still have been added to XP without abandoning it. The other reason it was deserted was financial. And that is one major factor that is driving all the subsequent, perpetual version changes since, and will continue to do so into the fufure. Obviously MS does not place the consumer before its own selfish motivations.

[@kermit88a]

I agree with you. Seems to me that Microsoft is trying to destroy Windows. I don’t think they use it.

[@The_Penguin_City]

They tryed to be android, they tryed to be Nokia, then Google, and now Apple, mixed with adobe. So simple.

[@davidmartin8211]

Why not two machines? A current Linux machine for online services, ex banking. A windows 7 or 10 machine for games, etc. ?? The only problem that you would have to disconnect the windows machine from the internet.

[@GrayaOverload]

I have thought about it.

[@user-ce8ut8hr9k]

They should either give it away for free and have ads, or charge for an ad free version. If I've paid for a pro version via a new PC or disk I'd be pretty upset to see all the rubbish that pops up in the OS.

[@DarrenReidAu]

Also developer here, and predominantly .NET, but used windows for my dev machine consistently for last 15 years. I ditched Windows this year, and not going back. They are actively user hostile, and Linux is actually pretty good these days. Don’t think they’ll turn it around sadly.

[@jochanan777]

W7 was the best os ever build.. bring it back in a new form

[@rsomel6628]

I stopped trusting Microsoft back in later 1990s and 2000s when they stopped supporting MS Money. Spent years using this and for what finished as wasting my 1000s hours of time. I just want bare operating system. And buy tools of softest as I need and no subscriptions. Subscribed.

[@tri-edge]

Windows 11 is slowly becoming difficult to use, especially the settings. Windows XP, 7, and 10 are still simple and easy to use.

[@peterthesing]

Perhaps they intend to make it sooo bad that customers are forced to look elsewhere. I would like to suggest give linux a try?

[@GrayaOverload]

I use Linux, not yet on my daily machine. I get distro jumpy, I always want to try another one.

[@jaxonswain3408]

I for one am glad Microsoft is making windows worse and worse. It's time for windows to become obsolete. Corporations suck and their products should not be the mainstream pick.

[@GrayaOverload]

I think it will make more companies look at supporting Linux with their software.

[@imeakdo7]

microsoft destroying windows means you aren't part of their target market anymore.

[@GrayaOverload]

So they are getting rid of their entire market?

[@alekjwrgnwekfgn]

I’m trying to transition to Linux, but it doesn’t play nice with NVIDIA. Shame on NVIDIA for not having a team make it happen on Linux.

[@fontenbleau]

i had same problem because i use latest 4070 Ti Super, there's many distros already with latest Nvidia drivers (from 530 if i'm correct) - like Ubuntu latest, Zorin, maybe latest Fedora, Nobara & Mint also. On distrowatch there's table where you can check what exact distro supports. From windows driver i really miss the feature to use system Ram with Vram & super resolution for videos (hard to say when such comes to their Linux control panel). There's also the thing in some distros of screen tearing in 60 FPS videos but in certain webbrowser, usually in Chrome, in Firefox video plays normally.

[@aarbbee]

Microsoft simply wants to make your computer save. By adding bitlocker. And they want to store the key somewhere save. That is why they want to hook you up to OneDrive, so they can store it there. Secondly they probably want you to get aquainted with the cloud, so that they can install everything, including the OS in the cloud, and ask you every month 10-25 dollar/euro in order to use your computer. Windows on the pc, will only be a lite version of windows, including a browser that can run all. I am not sure, that I am happy with that. But who would be?

[@GrayaOverload]

I will find MS getting a lite version of the OS an amazing task considering how big they are making it.

[@aarbbee]

@@GrayaOverload Windows 365 allready exists. If they can create an os, with only RDP running on it, and you connect to the cloud, then that is sufficient. It is not that I have knowledge, but being in IT for over 30 years, and the big plans they had with Windows 98, and its office in the cloud. Yet nobody wanted it. They are making the spirits ready to accept.

[@hegedusuk]

They just never finish the bloody thing! They just keep messing around with adding back things that were in the OS before, and have been missing for a while. They seem more concerned with working out if they can monetise something by making it a feature that you need a new 365 product to activate. Look at what they’re doing with this “new outlook” that everybody seems to hate, and hasn’t got all the functionality of Outlook. Yes outlook needs replacing, but why not - and I know this is hard for Microsoft to comprehend - finish “new outlook” first. They have the resources, you’d think. MacOS may have its faults but I have far fewer frustrations with my MacBook than my Windows machine. I might switch my Windows machine over to Linux, but most of the people we support run Windows so it’s helpful to have a windows machine around. And I need to run Teams on it.

[@GrayaOverload]

New outlook is an entire video for that dumpster fire. It has been years since I have used MacOS, when they did the used laptop selling changes with amazon and their repair decision with repairing your device I walked away, before I was doing videos so been a while.

[@raywall1133]

I've used Windows since the 3.1 days and have been a Microsoft fan even when it wasn't cool. But with what they've been doing over the last few years and the direction I see them going in, it made me finally decide to move away from Windows. I've been messing around with Linux for a few years as well. It is a very good OS. However, I found myself spending huge amounts of time learning and messing with it, so I went Apple with Mac and iPhone, etc. Everything just works. When it comes down to it, tech is a tool. I want what reliably works, does what I need it to do and be as secure and as reasonably private as possible. Mac seems to a compromise between Windows and Linux.

[@GrayaOverload]

I want the repairability which seems to be harder and harder to get with a good OS unless you go Linux

[@jaxonswain3408]

I will be using a Linux distro for the first time this week. I'm currently in the process of dual booting Linux Mint alongside Win10. My goal will be to eventually erase windows from my system altogether. Corporations are a pain in the ass.

[@spaceshipearth356]

I am testing different distros in vmware and no hassle with dual booting. We still have one year. 😢