New Study Shows Blood Differences in Vegans

[@GrooseTheGoose]

Those fiber numbers are an example of why we need to separate junk and whole-food vegans. Would love to see a study comparing the two!

[@chrilin5107]

Sure be interesting 🤞I'm stuck in the middle...couldn't give up peanut butter for instance...my life would feel bleak n empty😅

[@GrooseTheGoose]

@@chrilin5107 PB can be whole food. Get with no added stuff, usually organic. The one I have only adds some salt.

[@dawseyboy1]

Yes

[@afaultytoaster]

@@chrilin5107 my bane is store-bought hummus

[@jojobeanstudio1339]

Right instead they have the headline that "a vegan woman died" (this happened recently).... Then in the fine print it mentions she had an anorexia, possible bulimia, DIDN'T DRINK WATER, and ate only RAW foods. Like bruh the woman died from a severe eating disorder & no water 🤦🏻‍♀️ she was a victim to anorexia not veganism.

[@albawaterhouse]

I live in Germany and through the whole video I kept saying "people don't eat the same way here than in the US" no matter if carbist or vegan. Food culture is different in every country. A vegan in Spain (I'm Spanish) doesnt eat the same way that a vegan in Germany, US, or Thailand. Generalising for "all vegans" or "all meat eaters" out of a small group from Germany is not ideal.

[@mayhu3282]

I'm Spanish too, have lived in Germany among other places, and I think dietary choices are very personal and don't depend much on where you live. I'm basically whole plant based, but follow a lot of people on social media in Spain who use much more processed foodstuffs than me, then on the other hand there's a lot of people in the US or elsewhere who eat much more like I do.

[@stevegcq]

This video is entirely misleading because the study doesn't include people who eat primarily healthy red meat from grass fed ruminant animals, including organ meat. No supplements needed. This is the gold standard of eating when tied with very low plants/carbs. Nutritionally, this category far healthier than the three categories that these young people are divided into. 'Meat' eaters will normally be eating low nutrition meats, junk/processed food. Vegans as a group will be far more health conscious and take numerous supplements.

[@MyLifeInTheDesert]

Junk food vegetarian since 1999. I’m American (enough said). Two years ago I switched to mainly plant based vegan diet with way more greenery. Reversed pre-diabetes. Reversed the high cholesterol and high triglycerides. Autoimmune thyroid issues in remission. Lost 10-15 lbs.

[@opticalman6417]

high cholesterol is fine doctors have been lying to us

[@MyLifeInTheDesert]

@@opticalman6417 not everything is a conspiracy

[@opticalman6417]

@@MyLifeInTheDesert i never said it was lol

[@550077]

A dream headline: "According to a new study, vegans are doing just fine". Not gonna happen. Not enough buzz.

[@chrilin5107]

True that n it's anti click...no strong emotion...just we're/they're just fine so no anger, no big triggers😂

[@suicune2001]

It would have to be something like, "Burger King lied to you for 50 years!!" And then sneak in article how you don't need animal protein and how it's healthier not to eat animal protein. lol

[@shiftgood]

Here is one from a huge recent study. Total Meat Intake is Associated with Life Expectancy: A Cross-Sectional Data Analysis of 175 Contemporary Populations "Results: Worldwide, bivariate correlation analyses revealed that meat intake is positively correlated with life expectancies. This relationship remained significant when influences of caloric intake, urbanization, obesity, education and carbohydrate crops were statistically controlled. Stepwise linear regression selected meat intake, not carbohydrate crops, as one of the significant predictors of life expectancy. In contrast, carbohydrate crops showed weak and negative correlation with life expectancy."

[@feafea4463]

​​​@@shiftgood"correlation"? "Positive association"?

[@suicune2001]

​@@shiftgood LMAO! The intro to that paper reads like your typical anti-vegan bingo card. "Ancestors tho! Epidemiology tho! (even though we have mechanistic data so WTF are they talking about?) Nutrients tho! Lifestyle tho!" They even tried saying agriculture increased our variety of foods when it actually reduced them significantly. Wandering tribes ate hundreds of different plant foods and like all animals, went where the food was. Maybe they should have studied a bit of anthropology. Whoever wrote this paper is dripping with bias. They also have a laundry list of confounding factors. Also, that study only looked at child mortality up to 5 years old, not end of life where the #1 and #2 killers are heart attack and stroke which is caused by excess saturated fat. The only children dying before 5 years old are either the very sick who can't get access to modern medical care or children who are starving to death. Notice how there are vegan children in the U.S. and other highly developed countries with access to adequate food and medical care who are doing just fine. If you want to blow the mind of those scientists, point out that all land herbivores eat meat - including cows and deer. The fact humans eat animals means nothing.

[@k.h.6991]

It's conceivable that German vegans eat more sauerkraut. That would explain the higher k2 levels. This is a very small sample size study, which would explain the lack of statistical significance.

[@karlstenator]

Which reminds me, I need to buy a cabbage and start a new fermentation batch!

[@Therawpy]

Not that I'm aware of. Greetings from Germany.

[@lenakohl2339]

Not only the vegans. Especially meat eaters eat Sauerkraut mit Mettenden 😉 And in winter, Grünkohl mit Pinkel

[@MictheVegan]

There was statistical significance for K2 in the form of MK7 to be clear. Yes, sauerkraut could do it! I did try to add a text subtitle over that part saying it could be from more fermented foods. However, sauerkraut isn't super high with cheeses having between 2-25x as much depending on type of cheese: www.drstevenlin.com/what-are-the-richest-food-sources-of-vitamin-k2/

[@manusanchez1618]

Im a german vegan and i almost never eat Sauerkraut.

[@SandyBee21]

Woke up, hit play, started today smarter than yesterday. Cheers Mic

[@Jrmh179]

My wife and I eat one brazil nut each day for selenium lol. That plus B12 once a week or so. We use seaweed and miso in various recipes to help with iodine etc. Those are the only intentional modifications we use really. In our 60s no medications.

[@botzer8817]

If you're from America one a day may be too much, otherwise you're probably good

[@Vegan_gelical]

I read 4 a month in the US.

[@paulmaxwell8851]

Good for you! My wife and I are in our sixties and seventies: no drugs either. ALL our friends and relatives are on drugs of one kind or another.

[@k.p.lavelle2897]

@@botzer8817 Why would that be?

[@mayamorabito1669]

@@k.p.lavelle2897probably too much selenium. I eat 2 sometimes 3, 4, 5 per day. I live in Morocco, I don’t even know where my Brazil nuts come from. No idea how much selenium they have as it varies immensely depending on where and how it grew.

[@jojobeanstudio1339]

I just did all my bloodwork (5 yesrs vegan in February, & was vegetarian vefore that for about 4-5 years).. my family has thyroid issues but she said my thyroid levels are better than even regular ppl. My white blood cells are also much better than normal and expected. Not deficient & everything's going great! She told me to do whatever I've been doing!

[@soyboymcgee8529]

What do you mean "better than normal"?

[@dwellerinblack7816]

​@@soyboymcgee8529better than normal peoples bloodwork.

[@gmarcsdaspot]

@@soyboymcgee8529 those whose diet is largely WFPB often have WBC below the average range. Many years ago this led a couple of doctors to recommend an oncology consult for me, despite no symptoms of a problem. I researched the issue (Dr. Joel Fuhrman and Dr. Michael Gregor for example) and realized there was no need for concern (the opposite, in fact).

[@RandomHuTaoSimp]

You need to adopt a carnivore diet

[@JurijPopotnig]

@@RandomHuTaoSimp "She" must hate herself and "her" brain is probably already the size of a peanut so I don't know if "she" gets you. And you are probably talking to a bot as 5 years vegan means she already died on the way there. Damned people are dumb.

[@RapunzelASMR]

just want to say, vegan 20 years and for all 4 of us (bf and kids) covid was very mild!

[@chrilin5107]

Great to hear n for me too

[@prettynoose888]

Vegan 23 years, I did not get covid and I'm not vaccinated either.

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

Only vegan for six years but during the height of Covid and since then I have not had it or if I did it was super mild because I've never been tested, no need arised.

[@prettynoose888]

@@flattlandermontgomery1524 Fantastic🙂

[@quor5103]

Meat eater here .. what covid?

[@gillesflandrinck7065]

I really like how Mic the Vegan manages to express serious things with humor and this with always such interesting subjects. Thanks a lot, Mic. 😄

[@mitsu21]

Bro read between the lines this man is being controlled and forced to make these loose ass cherry picked claims in these videos. For those who don’t know what cherry picking stands for (Cherry picking is a logical fallacy which occurs when someone focuses only on evidence that supports their stance, while ignoring evidence which contradicts it.) Mic is a Totalitarian Tool!!

[@DiggingForHealth]

Thank you for taking the time to break down these studies and share them with us! 😊

[@lenakohl2339]

Germans indeed eat more vegatables. I wasn't aware of that until i watched a video from an american living in Germany. It's normal to see raw vegetables (paprika, carrots, cucumbers) cut into sticks and a bowl with a sauce at a party. And small tomatos.

[@akgakg2426]

I guess everything is about context. Eat more veggies compared to who? I personally only see how little of it they eat.

[@akgakg2426]

@user-lr9mo9my6jSauerkraut from the regular stores is pasteurized and has more than 10g of added sugar per 100grams. Why would anyone want to eat that?

[@botzer8817]

@user-lr9mo9my6j Processed food "high in k1" is a nice oxymoron

[@lenakohl2339]

@@akgakg2426 compared to americans. He compared the fiber intake to US numbers.

[@baza0]

@@akgakg2426 Mine's from Poland and has apple and beetroot - not sugar. Easy, tasty and cheap way to eat cabbage.😀

[@VeganLinked]

I noticed I wasn't getting enough vitamin E when I was tracking my diet on the cronometer years ago so I keep a big bag of raw unsalted sunflower seeds mostly for salads and nut seed mixes but sometimes smoothies too :)

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

Just keep in mind, that the US recommends significantly more vitamin E than other countries do, like England for example so although we are probably getting less over all, we are probably still getting enough. The same is true of Calcium, US recommends double what the WHO recommends.

[@VeganLinked]

yeah, calcium is another funny one. It may be that if you're not consuming salt you may not need as much calcium as well. It's like really shoot for half and you're fine. And these recommendations aren't based on a day, it's more over time based on how long these nutrients may stay in the body and it's something like 2 standard deviations higher than a healthy person may need on a given day, that's just my laymen interpretation of things. I still try to structure my diet toward balance and pulling that up to enough calories, without counting though. Not to mention, these RDA's aren't based on vegan populations... We have so far to go @@flattlandermontgomery1524

[@80slimshadys]

I eat whole foods based, I'm pretty anal with diet, and I never manage to get enough vit E on cronometer. Even sunflower seeds doesn't fix it cos you gotta eat extreme amounts of them and they're not fun to eat imo. I have a smoothie every day and it has 2 tbsp of flax so can't put more seeds in it cos it would be gross and would kill the omega 3 absorption. I wanted to start eating sunflower butter instead of peanut butter for it. No supermarkets sell it tho

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

@@80slimshadys I don't know if you read my comment, but cronometer bases its recommendations on the US RDAs and the US RDAs are higher than necessary for vitamin E and for calcium, odds are you get plenty of vitamin E regardless of what cronometer says.

[@80slimshadys]

@@flattlandermontgomery1524 yea I read it. I haven't checked vit E in blood work and haven't checked what the RDI is for it either but if it doesn't even reach a 1/4 of the USDA recommendation then i don't think im getting enough 🤷‍♂️

[@MrEdxwx]

Thank you for your amazing videos.

[@user-no2mz9hl4f]

Absolutely! They’re informative, thorough, and entertaining.

[@Diss-jd2un]

no fucking way someone can say vegans have Iron level high than someone who eat meat lol

[@CollaredConsulting]

EGGS are GREAT. Cholesterol is needed by the body to make testosterone .

[@americandream9473]

Man true that fude is delusional

[@VeganWellnessTribe]

Watching your work is something I look forward to every weekend 🙏❤️

[@valfanclub]

I gradually stopped watching due to probably low reminders on YT. This one came up and I'm back!

[@TakeShotAction]

What's important to remember here is that the study is looking at "Meat Eaters" and not people who consume only meat which call themselves "Carnivores". Unfortunately, studies like this will only continue to radicalize both Vegans/Vegeterians and Carnivores/Animal Based People. The reason why is because this study falls under the "Healthy User Bias", people who go vegan or vegeterian are typically health conscious people who on average grow up in more privileged environments, engage in exercise, try not to eat junk food etc etc. For people growing up in lower class areas they often eat a whole bunch of junk food and processed garbage. When we label them as "Meat Eaters" it might be that case that maybe even 5-20% of their diet includes meat and vegetables and the rest of it is processed food like the fries from mcdonalds with preservatives and a soft drink to go with it. They may come home and open up a packet of crisps and eat chocolate and have pudding for desert after dinner. During the time in which they were developing, they may have certain health conditions and might have had to go into surgery in younger years and have things cut out which effect their blood levels too as well as the prevelence of health conditions and genetic disorders found within lower economic class groups, they are less likely to partake in sports as children and recieve proper sunlight or nutrition as children, as well as being less well versed in education around nutrition. We need to have studies that look at people who are on strict Vegan/Vegeterian diets and people wo are on strict Carnivore/Animal Based Product diets. Both of these groups are health conscious people who may have gotten into the lifestyle for health benefits and will therefore outrule the Healthy User Bias. My fear is that we will never get proper information to shut either group up once and for all on the topic of which diet is better for health and this is diverting us from the real conversation about whether or not it's ethical and ought we substitute with suplements if it turns out the Carnivore Diet is better.

[@francescograssi4432]

But in this study the vegan group isn't eating so much fiber so probably they're not focusing a lot on whole foods. As Mic said a WFPB vegan is likely to eat around double the fiber. On the contrary the non vegans are eating a good amount of fiber so I wouldn't say there's a healthy user bias.

[@TakeShotAction]

@@francescograssi4432 Fiber is just one aspect of what the Carnivore group claim their problem is with not eating a whole meat diet. They put forward the idea that meat contains less toxins and that eating a whole meat diet allows for higher levels of food absorption. They claim that because humans don't have a large secum and because we have a smaller small intestine and large stomachs that we have digestive systems representing that of carnivores. They site studies that show that we need higher levels of fat for the bile in our gut to break down and mention acidity levels in the stomach. They also show evidence that there was propoganda from the seventh day adventist church to shun meat eating. Until we address these issues, I don't think Vegans/Vegeterians are going to make much head way in the grounds of animal rights and human ethics. The fact that Vegans are making good health conscious decisions about not going too far with WFPB actually makes the healthy user bias more prevelent. If it does turn out that eating a whole meat diet is healthier for a human, they may argue a capitalistic approach to the ethics that state if we are healthier we can progress society forward enough to stop eating meat one day.

[@javrielmaestre6882]

Thanks for your content …puts me at ease knowing a vegan diet properly planned isn’t going to kill me!!!!

[@redauwg911]

vegans have a 15% lower risk of dying prematurely from all causes, indicating that a vegan diet may indeed help people live longer than those who adhere to vegetarian or omnivorous

[@redauwg911]

@@Sweeney-nn2hy Sweeney,, Your still alive,, I thought your carnivore diet killed you..

[@redauwg911]

@@Sweeney-nn2hy your mother just told me you should be in bed by now

[@francescograssi4432]

​@@Sweeney-nn2hyit doesn't seem so looking at this study 😁

[@RandomHuTaoSimp]

@@redauwg911 The studies that refer to these risk factors are all confounded and SUPER riddled with healthy user bias. These studies are trash. Lets see a true, properly powered, controlled and properly invested study that looks at vegans vs carnivore's on a high quality grass fed and finished diet. then we can talk. And FYI, pizza is lumped into the same category as red meat, processed, unprocessed or grass fed and finished.

[@lacedhexes]

Finally! We can shut those darn meat eaters up about vitamin K deficiency in vegans.

[@botzer8817]

Also all the supplement industry begging us to buy overpriced k2+D instead of just vitamin D Greger was right in his recent video about K2

[@HuckleberryHim]

Amazing what we are learning about conversion and gut biota these days, but you wouldn't know it from carnivore TikTok

[@raze956]

the "damn meat eaters" actually care about their health, thats why they eat meat. greetings from a carnivore.

[@Kontrabass66]

@@raze956 Thank you for that. Look a this guy: Jesus looked better when they put him off the cross

[@marysmith4811]

The amount of K2 found in an egg is not the same as the amount found in beef liver. Something people used to eat regularly. The other thing is, the K2 that keeps calcium in the your bones is MK-7, not 4. It's not just K2. I completely changed my mind since I saw with my own eyes how not only my husband's weight came down, but his labs were great afterwards. I know a few vegans who started suffering stomach issues and other pains a few months after being on the vegan diet. They went back to meat and their health was restored. I believe people should do what they want, however, I do think there is something going on here. Some of these scientists are want to ban meat because it's unhealthy, when now many of us know is a lie, BUT, they don't ban junk food? Doughnuts, are okay on our shelves? I wouldn't mind if all the fast food chains would go meatless because the food they are currently serving is already inferior. Fake meat is full of nasty stuff. Some vegans will not eat it for this reason. I just know this. The lancet and other "well respected" medical journals, along with a couple of our government organizations actually changed/deleted information during COVID. These changes reflected their agenda. Because we have people who actually check this stuff, there was so much talk about it, that they actually brought back the original wording. That makes me go...hmmm. And I don't know how I will ever trust these vile people again. Remember that we now have heard more than one of our "leaders" tell us they are ready for a new world order... Kind of makes you think.

[@grand-merev.1104]

Would love to see studies with a older/ senior population to compare long term effects of diet. I know young vegans rely on processed "vegan" foods like potato chips, sandwiches, bread, processed snacks with tons of oil.

[@chargermopar]

Yes! us older people seem to do better on a whole foods animal based diet.

[@J.Forwood]

I'm 76 and I've been vegan for 45 years. I too would like to see studies in senior vegans. So far I am healthier than most people I know.

[@mayhu3282]

But I guess young omnis and vegetarians do that too, so it wouldn't explain the differences in this particular study. // If young people would only realize how much cheaper and healthier cooking is vs buying take away. I shared a kitchen with young students a couple of years ago for a summer course in Amsterdam: I was horrified at the quantities of junk food everyone was eating on a daily basis. I was almost the only one using the kitchen. One hour of batch cooking a week was enough to cover most of my weekly meals at a fraction of the price!

[@sharidandan4172]

There already is. The Seventh Day Adventists denomination have been teaching the benefits of whole food plant based diets since the 1800's and they are among the healthiest and longest living people on the planet.

[@leanavine]

thanks for going through this important study!

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Eat sunflower seeds for Vitamin E

[@dj-fe4ck]

Why would you need Sunflower seeds for Vitamin E?

[@gillesflandrinck7065]

Because it's full of Vitamin E as the table in the video shows, but eat it in reasonable proportions! @@dj-fe4ck

[@dj-fe4ck]

@gillesflandrinck7065 you could easily get enough without Sunflower seeds or any other nuts or seeds. Sweet potatoes and carrots are very high in Vitamin E.

[@gillesflandrinck7065]

Perhaps, but not sure for sweet potato. Do you have the amount for 100 grs? A 100-gram (g) serving of sunflower seeds contains 35.17 milligrams (mg) of vitamin E. A 100-gram carrot 44 mg Sweet potato has 0.26mg of Vitamin E per 100 grams@@dj-fe4ck Can someone confirm these values?

[@botzer8817]

@@dj-fe4ck You're confusing with beta carotene (vit A), they contain some but not very high amounts Peanut butter is also a good source of vitamin E, wheat germ, soy flour, hazelnuts...

[@halfnattyboomer354]

Quick education, HDL and LDL are not cholesterol, they are lipoproteins which transport cholesterol. When you say cholesterol you probably mean lipoprotein. If you're wondering why you still have HDL and LDL even though you avoid cholesterol and fatty foods like they're radioactive its because your liver manufactures lipoproteins and cholesterol because every cell in your body needs cholesterol, its also required for the synthesis of hormones. Half the weight of an average mammal cell is lipids, and 20% of those lipids are cholesterol.

[@amizan8653]

I hope the vegans there Make it a habit to eat one Brazil nut a day. That by itself gives you all the selenium you need in a day.

[@kathivy]

Thanks, interesting to hear the details. It would have been informative to see separate results from those in the group who don’t supplement. It would be helpful to see the actual value of supplementing.

[@andreawalker7138]

Always interesting info, Mic. Thanks!

[@N330AA]

My sister went to Freiburg University for a year as part of her 4 year course. True fact

[@360nickx]

I am a vegan for over 6 years now, and I did notice my uric acid was higher than normal last year, I realized it was due to a lot of pea based protein that manufacturers tend to add. I workout regularly, and I used to use Pea protein powder, so I migrated it to a rice based powder, and did a test again after a month. My uric acids were well within normal. I now avoid pea based processed food as well. I am hoping for potato based protein powder to hit the markets soon, some research indicating they could also be a good vegan protein source.

[@grzegorz3581]

Thank you for your comment. I also have high uric acid after pea protein. I ll try the rice protein instead.

[@stevegcq]

I hope you get your testosterone and sperm count tested. Male fertility is getting very low.

[@gregbannish8423]

Why are you taking protein powder, and what is your uric acid level? If below 6 like those in the video, then little chance of a gout attack, but maybe you want lower for other health benefits? I'm a new 6 month vegan suffering from gout attacks (3 in the last 2 months), trying to drink more water and lemons to prevent future attacks...

[@360nickx]

@@gregbannish8423 Hey Hey, thanks for asking, I just take it some times to supplement my protein intake. It was slightly high, that's why I decided to rotate powders

[@VeganLinked]

Did they do an omega index test? Or anything like that? I was excited when you mentioned it at the end but then you didn't say anything about it except that a third supplemented and you are supplementing just to be safe.

[@Gumbi1012]

Same! I'm gonna look up the study to find out.... I'll let you know

[@Curtishigher]

Finally! No pointless jabber. No emotional talk about how "it's for the greater good of us all". Just straight facts and evidence. Thank you.

[@garlicbreathandfarts]

I gone both ways. In my old age, I have discovered that eating real organic food of any sort will keep you healthy.

[@JP-uf9sh]

It would be highly interesting how the results vary between vegans that consume products with vitamin additives versus "raw" vegans that do not consume products and meat alternatives that contain them.

[@sandralison7584]

Raw Vegans are not smart. Because many plant foods you need to cook to be able to eat them. Like legumes for example. And just because you cook your food, don't mean you eating meat alternatives! You can eat a lentil soup. And its not a processed food but a whole food

[@wehz0r]

Mic, you are a miracle given to us by God. Thank you for being extra nerdy.... Also, you have PD in your family? Look up the audiobook "excitotoxins: the taste that kills" by Russell Blaylock. My uncle was exposed to artificial sweetners and developed PD, Ozzy Osbourne "cant stop drinking diet coke" and had a free coke machine installed in his house, and Michael J Fox did that famous commercial for coke way back in the day before developing PD - I wonder of coke donates to his organization. Much love, Wayne the vegan

[@brucejensen3081]

Problem with this half the subjects could be dangerously low and half dangerously high, ending up with a perfect average

[@CaroAbebe]

Generally speaking, Europeans eat significantly less junk food regardless of diet and cook more from scratch.

[@ScottLane-ud9tj]

Dr. Atkins had a heart attack and a history of heart disease and he was overweight.

[@hugo-garcia]

Being vegan is so good that law of evolution made humans vegan... Oh wait.... Actually.... We become humans bc we ate roast meat which made brains had space to grow and become smart to dominate the word. Meat eaters not vegans

[@user-no2mz9hl4f]

I get a lot of people worried about my iron levels. I’ve been plant based my whole life, and only been deficient twice, due to severely restricting my dietary intake (I have a chronic eating disorder). Both times, the deficiency was easily treated with oral supplements. Meanwhile, I’ve met so many meat eaters with chronic anaemia who eat sufficient calories on a regular basis.

[@tuphdc8779]

A gorilla is plant based. But plant based is bad for humans. You can tell because humans have adaptations for eating meat

[@francescograssi4432]

​@@tuphdc8779you didn't listen to the video right?

[@Mercymurv]

I never hear anyone talk about how vitamin C / C-rich plants greatly enhance iron absorption with meals or that they should stop drinking tea/coffee so close to meals. Yet they are always ready to talk about how some animal's liver was the cure for their iron deficiency. x_x

[@halfnattyboomer354]

@@francescograssi4432 I did and I really wonder why anyone listens to him. This quantitative breakdown of nutrient comparisons between different dietary groups means what exactly? "meat eaters" does that mean they also cram processed carbs, and processed meats, and no grass fed beef down their necks? Or are they strict carnivore dieters eating animals which also consume a species specific diet, in the case of cows, grass not grain. Same is true for the vegan group, are they healthy vegans or vegans who live on vegan mac and cheese? Beyond all of the variation in what each individuals actual diet was in this study, how do we define what normal amounts of all these micro nutrients are? We take a sample from the population and average whatever the reading is... Great let me take a sample from a population in a random part of the USA where half the people are obese, the 'normal' range we get statistically speaks nothing about what is optimal or necessary.

[@mayhu3282]

​@@halfnattyboomer354Because the only way to know how population groups are behaving with regard to these health indicators is this kind of epidemiological studies. The rest is just guesswork.

[@stephtraveler7378]

A primary reason for death after age 75 is trauma... Which diet gives you more strength?

[@mjs28s]

The sample groups look pretty biased as if they were hoping to make meat or omnivores look better than reality. @10:05 Look at the BMI numbers for the Omnivore group. 22.91! Give me a break! In the western developed world 70% of the people (or more) are overweight or obese yet they somehow managed to, apparently, only select those people that were WELL under the overweight BMI range. But, this is specifically Germany where they are thinner on average with ONLY 60.5% of men and 46.6% of women are overweight or obese, thus the 22.91 BMI in their study for the average is clearly not representing the typical person.

[@xtrwq]

Great catch. The people in the study do seem to be doing quite well on average compared to most people anywhere.

[@shiftgood]

People who eat meat live longer than those who don't. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35228814/

[@botzer8817]

I completely agree. Also their fibers intake is much higher than the average intake from meat eaters.

[@Mrm1985100]

Yeah, the vegans had a relatively poor diet for vegans and the omnis had a pretty good diets for omnis so the difference wasn't as big as it could be. A comparison between WFPB and the average SAD would be massive.

[@letransformateur6477]

Im guessing it was mostly health conscious university students? Not the average countrywide population.

[@RawandCookedVegan]

Great stuff Mic, thank you.

[@rowenaanderson3739]

Haha Mic on the Vedge train. Pleasant surprise. Don't forget about Derek!

[@Robert-vf6ny]

Sorry, but those two bodybuilders are also on gear. NO ONE gains 45 pounds of muscle in one year.

[@rowenaanderson3739]

New Zealand - My selenium was a little high but I wasn't eating anything on the food list. I think it was from Australian oats.

[@magicf7076]

This guy sounds like a talking artificial doll.

[@zachcain2639]

I’m so proud of us vegans. Good job everybody! I’m that weirdo who eats natto every day so I wonder what my k2 would be haha

[@SSStofu008]

I want to try eat but all the natto I find has shrimp how do I find some without

[@pattheplanter]

I wonder what your ammonia levels are like.

[@zachcain2639]

@@pattheplanter does natto affect ammonia? Would that be urine or blood?

[@zachcain2639]

@@SSStofu008 the ones from my Japanese grocery come with flavoring packets. A lot of those packets include tuna flakes and a ton of sodium so I just throw them away and eat the natto plain

[@SSStofu008]

@@zachcain2639 oh but I’m a vegan not just plant based diet so I can’t just throw them out

[@mikelautermilch8939]

Nutrition made simple has some excellent vids showing that HDL and LDL are very imperfect markers for cardiovascular health. A much better marker is ApoB level. Regarding seeds oils high in omega 6 fatty acids, nutrition made simple did an extremely thorough analysis of recent scientific studies that showed no association between such oils and inflammation or cardiovascular disease. Vegsource did a similar analysis of scientific studies debunking of the idea that omega 3 supplementation is beneficial (at least for brain health).

[@charlesshaw7091]

Thanks for this summary. Did the study look at blood levels of omega 3s?

[@letransformateur6477]

I want to see your gym progress Mic!

[@alinanymus6830]

I live in Germany and you cannot compare those people to americans. Overall Germans eat way cleaner and nothing like the standard american diet

[@hardcorevegan2580]

I have been taking Vedge essential since it came out; definitely recommend😎👍

[@Toaster-v1z]

"People that eat meat" can be referred to as meat eaters.

[@deepakhiranandani6488]

Here is something that may be of interest: high consumption of sugar (basically fructose but that means sucrose too because half of sucrose is fructose) is somehow related to high uric acid levels. This I recall from a wonderful book read years ago, long before I discovered KZbin: 'The sugar fix' by Richard Johnson. Or a somehow similar name of the author. I'm sure it would interest you and viewers.

[@MictheVegan]

Good point, fructose does break down into purines which raise uric acid but at the same time vitamin C in fruit lowers uric acid. Here is a whole paper on the fruit paradox: "Natural fruits are likely safe against gout flare, but the effect of fruit juice is still uncertain." academic.oup.com/rheumatology/article/58/7/1133/5475481 Obviously sodas with high fructose corn syrup would be really bad. Thanks for mentioning that.

[@deepakhiranandani6488]

@@MictheVegan 👍😊 glad to see your response.

[@deepakhiranandani6488]

@@MictheVegan read the article, very informative, thanks.

[@matthewn1805]

You keep going on about cholesterol, but show me a study, any study that demonstrates that cholesterol levels related to CVD are causative and not just associative.

[@Marshadow69]

You dont have to make me wait for you to irritate me

[@Mrm1985100]

No one was actually selenium deficient in this study: "Selenium enters the body through food mainly as selenomethionine from plants. Average daily intake in the United States ranges from 80 to 220 µg. The reference range for plasma selenium is about 60-150 ng/mL. Selenium deficiency (serum concentration

[@giabawa3968]

My blood and other markers were supered when I was vegan for 5 years… but with some hair fall and looking under nourished and needs with autoimmune disease! So markers in your body not gonna do much if you are mentally and physically starving for food!!! I may not have over glorified markers when I was vegetarian but I was superb looking and happy inside out!!! So choose your inner satisfaction and happiness over stats!!

[@raze956]

more like: choose your health over stats and morals. you are an animal too and have every right to do whats necessary to be healthy.

[@brianwnc8168]

The host of this channel needs to expand his understanding of ldl. LDL is now being distinguished between two types of particles, large fluffy low density particles and small high density particles. The small high density particles are the ones that oxidized easily and these are the ones that cause heart disease. Research is emerging that people with higher cholesterol might live longer as long as it is not the high density particles. Total fiber in the diet has a major impact on your ratio of high density versus low density LDL particles

[@michaelmackey754]

Great video

[@mohitgahlot8914]

When to start taking b12 supplement after becoming vegan

[@fatfatthewaterrat5010]

Rigorous study with 120 people

[@suicune2001]

Interesting! Thanks!

[@catgirljourney4593]

Spinach has purines- components in cell walls- convert to uric acid in body… Perhaps our crew eats more spinazie than the average biped…

[@juliashearer7842]

Very interesting. Thanks Mic

[@anotherthez7598]

We don't need palm oil at all, please boycott that damn thing, for the planet.

[@stephaniejean7324]

Please tell me about Freiburg! It’s a place I’ve been looking at, if I had the ability to move to Europe that’s one of my top choices. Thanks for this video, I may end up citing it a lot given how often non-vegans are bringing up “nutrient deficiencies” these days.

[@MictheVegan]

I was impressed by how it has the first Passivhaus which is a super eco, passive solar house. My friend went to university there so I visited. Cool medieval town but it has been like 10 years so not sure what it is like these days. Clearly it has at least 40 vegans too lol.

[@barbaragreiner1570]

I am from Freiburg im Breisgau, one of the most beautiful places in Germany (of course I am biased) . It has a rich history and a very active cultural scene. Also the surroundings are beautiful. If you like nature the Back Forest has lots to offer. The town offers a good mixture of students and normal residents. Cost of living is higher than in a lot of other German towns. The region is Baden Wuertemberg, which in general has higher loving costs than other regions. Btw. We do not wear this kind of dirndl shown in the picture. This picture must be from Bavaria, maybe the Octoberfest. National dress in the Black Forest is quite different.

[@maplin007]

I’d hazard a guess that nobody was carnivore or keto so just as much a study on carb munchers as meat vs etc .

[@kriswalker3275]

Us vegans are the only ones to get hammered on about if we get enough nutrition when no one else gets much of a headache about it. Somehow the Cheetos and wonder bread are ok. The American diet is so bad that if you eat a healthy food plan it's considered a diet.

[@mega4s1000]

I’m keen for some recipes using Brazil nuts. New Zealand soils are lacking in selenium. Brazils are not my fav nut to just snack on, they’re just such a big nut!

[@GeographicallyFree]

Super interesting! Thanks for sharing.

[@MeadeFatLoss]

Ask yourself, does God want us to be Vegan? How do Vegans reconcile that they eat living plants ?

[@MeadeFatLoss]

@jonahwhale9047 Proof of God is in His creation . Plants did not "evolve", they were created.

[@nanashi384]

dr klapper tried getting omega 3 from plant foods and found that his omega 3 index was steadily lowering, so he's on omega 3 supplements now. i started taking omega 3 supplements last year and it seems to have helped me fall asleep a lot easier. didn't know that omega 3 could do that. worth mentioning that i was probably omega 3 deficient for my whole life. never ate a lot of fish. like, even before i stopped eating meat.

[@Mrm1985100]

I think the omega 3 index doesn't measure tissue levels of omega 3.

[@calebwert1057]

Why don't you just try to incorporate eating some salmon or sardines 2-3 times a week?

[@cottoneyes566]

DEVA has vegan omega 3s dha epa

[@Melissa.Garrett]

@@calebwert1057Probably because they’re vegan?

[@calebwert1057]

@@Melissa.Garrett ya but I don't understand why they got to treat it like a religion. Some fish every week is incredibly beneficial. If you have to supplement things in your diet then you are doing something wrong.

[@deepakhiranandani6488]

Very interesting, thanks for all the details, clearly presented, well analysed, and implications and inferences pointed out. The biggest surprise for me was Vitamin E: many of us do have good amounts (or excessive amounts, like I!) of nuts and seeds; many have lots of greens so I should think we would have better vitamin E status and in fact I recall reading that from past studies. Oh well. And the uric acid, surprising. Well, thanks again. 😊👍

[@teagoldleaf4137]

Mike, thank you. I appreciate your indepth analyses and then breaking it down for the average layperson like me 😊❤ You arm us with important health information so that we can take good care of ourselves, and also debunk carnists misconceptions. You're a vegan gem💎

[@samozary]

Why are vegans so obsessed with meat eaters / carnivores. If the vegan diet is so great why do you need to manipulate data, take things out of context to support your views. Anyone, with a good head on their shoulders can see this..

[@ScrapKing73]

Great video. But a supplement and protein powder partnership? I know everybody’s got to eat, but in this very video you tout the health benefits of lower levels of dietary protein. I’ve been following you since your first video on Cowspiracy, but this is the first time I objected to a sponsorship/partnership. :-(

[@MercyForTheInnocent]

thank u man

[@olgakim4848]

Thanks!

[@olgakim4848]

Thank you, Mic the Vegan, for your outstanding videos.

[@MictheVegan]

THANKS SO MUCH FOR THAT BY THE WAY!

[@olgakim4848]

@@MictheVegan You’re welcome! 💚🌱

[@weirdunclebob]

I loved Freiburg! Stayed there for six months in 1999 at the university while partying! Oh, and studying German a bit... badly. I don't remember much German but I had a great time! 😂New Years Eve in the central platz was amazing! 😁

[@gordonc8335]

Sheila O'Leary, 38, whose family followed a strict vegan diet, was convicted in June on six charges - first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter, child abuse and two counts of child neglect - in the death of Ezra O'Leary.the family ate only raw fruits and vegetables, and breast milk.The 18-month-old boy weighed eight kilograms and was the size of a seven-month-old baby when he died in September 2019, Their two other children, ages three and five, were malnourished, investigators said. "proved the child died due to complications from severe malnutrition and dehydration."

[@Diamond-db3fx]

what’s your motive in posting this?

[@HistoryLegend8212]

@@Diamond-db3fx because veganism is a dangerous cult which encourages child abuse

[@crazy.panda12]

Newsflash, a lot of vegans agree that a raw food diet isn't great, especially for kids. But vegan doesn't mean raw. You could have had the same story of malnourishment by this family eating only meat and dying of scurvy or eating a diet of mc'donalds and dying from complications related to obesity. Malnutrition and a bad diet can be had in any form, it's not exclusively a vegan issue.

[@inahi4816]

Es gibt sicher genug und sogar Mörder und Kindes Misshändler, die sich omnivor ernährten. Ernährungsform entscheidet nicht über Kriminalität. Weswegen hast du es gepostet?

[@marzettik]

Cool video, very educational. ❤

[@mayhu3282]

Very interesting. I'm really looking forward to see my own results. When towards the end you say "vegans in Europe take care of your selenium" I just wanted to point out that in the map you showed it seemed the problem was mainly with the Northeast, Spain for example didn't seem to show depletion of Se in soils (or maybe there's no data). And of course over here we eat products from all over the EU.

[@dairy_fairy]

*Sv3rige has entered the chat.* *Sv3rige has left the chat.*

[@roychui6694]

Vegans are so fixated with blood work. Sure. It is important. But things like muscle density, healthy bones and what not are even more important, and we know vegans have more of these problems than most. 😂

[@arthur8559]

Unfortunately this study is too small

[@lizzyagatha]

nice study I shall read the paper - that doesn't happen often, I live next door to Germany so it's very topical!

[@MikeM-uy6qp]

I'm surprised by these findings, tbh. I do pretty much everything right nutritionally, but feel like I still have to be very attentive to make sure I don't lack anything. I was definitely not keeping up with Omega 3 for many years, which I regret. This suggests vegans, in Germany at least, are more literate about nutrition than I would have expected.

[@catherinekasmer9905]

Do any of these studies delineate between vegans who eat for health and follow WFPB etc.- SOS free and those who are ethical only vegans and may include various non-healthy vegan “foods”?

[@dj-fe4ck]

Sos free is not necessary. You can avoid ultra processed foods and eat healthy without being sos free. Oil is the only one of those 3 that I avoid.

[@xtrwq]

Probably no, WFPB no oil would probably stand out on top for healthy living, but it's not so common. I also try to follow this diet, though the no sugar, no salt part I don't find that important and it's sometimes too hard to follow, even if I myself cook my food mostly.

[@bozoldier]

It's interesting to see confirmation bias at work. For the same pvalue the host of the show says in one case how 'its not much lower than meat eaters' (or something like that ) and then for something he likes that's its lower 'it's so much lower'.

[@Vamusika]

Great video! Mic, personal recommendation, i feel like bright vibrant colours might look so good on you! Would love to see you in those more 😀

[@bokettooo]

Yes! A nice vibrant forest green would rock on you!

[@LaurentSaintJean]

Great review again Mike, BUT! I desperately would love to see a “Whole Food Plant Based Low fat/sodium” group (Vegan SOS 😊) separate from the standard vegan group. Most of my otherwise lovely vegan friends eat a poor (if not terrible) vegan diet, and I believe this is corrupting statistic reasult?

[@MictheVegan]

Yeah, it is hard because if we are making claims about general vegans then they are accurate but if we are talking about what benefits a healthy vegan diet can potentially have then we need another data set. Good points.

[@legallyregarded]

Those B12 numbers are borderline. It's better to have them around 600. Mine were 112 at one point, but that's another story...

[@markjonz]

I used to follow McDougall on supplements (only b12) but now I take a multi vit that gives the recommended doses, not mega doses, and includes k2, d, iodine and b12, selenium etc. Omega 3 needs to be take separately with some fat in the food. Soils are mineral depleted and anyone could be low on some vitamin or mineral. Low dosages hopefully avoid any toxicity but cover any possible deficiencies

[@ianstuart5660]

Nah, just have a steak dripping with butter and cream!

[@MercyForTheInnocent]

legend at work

[@Meathead-10810]

I also doubt the meat one can be classified as meat but rather a SAD diet class because pizza is actually plant based if you check the ratio of plant to meat content!

[@karlstenator]

If you could extract essence of Mic and compress it into pill form, would you take it to get your daily dose of vegan news?

[@EastWindCommunity1973]

Oh, Karl!

[@MickisMom]

Thanks for the info. It’s unfortunate that you are advertising so many supplements and now protein powder, really? You are giving the perception that outside of B12 and D that supplements are required when eating wfpb when you just want to make some money from the companies selling them.

[@botzer8817]

Yep I'm scared that Mic potentially loses his objectivity with time due to all these ads

[@susank2019]

If he were trying to sell supplements, choosing to present the results of this study certainly wouldn't help him.

[@WeCelebrateEatingPlants]

Thank you! 🥦❤ Daily fiber here is regularly 😊 over 100g

[@KevinSamuelsKid]

You’re just asking for Brutal bowel disease

[@letransformateur6477]

Me too!

[@WeCelebrateEatingPlants]

Show the studies where high fiber creates bowel disease -- can't be, that'd be like water making things dry

[@jousis_]

How do you eat 100g of fiber daily. It seems impossible since it is very satiating. With Supplements?

[@WeCelebrateEatingPlants]

Easy, I eat a lot of plants@@jousis_ 126g in one day was black beans, kale, chia, flax, banana, tomato, corn etc That was 14 oz of kale in a big pitcher of smoothie with 4T chia and 4T flax, and dinner the equivalent of a can of black beans, one of corn and one of tomatoes for a quick easy meal. I would suggest a person new to fiber work her way up to it but once used to it, it's no problem, all whole plants 🙂🥦❤