Mid-High Handicap DRIVER Fitting | Ping g430 10k vs TaylorMade Qi10 vs Callaway AI SMOKE

[@tedharman5354]

Completely had the feels for this fitting. Our swing speeds are similar so there is hope for me yet.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Ya this was a great experience, I couldn’t believe what he was able to do for me. Just goes to show that a pro fitting can really help your game. - Darren

[@Kirbysports]

Same same well said

[@theythinkimmadyouknow]

late to this party, but my swing speed is about the same, got a fitting for the G430 Max 10K and WOW. Its like cheating, further, straighter and its just easy.

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@theythinkimmadyouknow the new stuff is fire

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@theythinkimmadyouknow they've definitely made lots of progress in the drivers this year! nothing beats finding that right fit to your game

[@NiceLifeGolf]

Not going to lie, I want a fitting from this guy 👏

[@ParWars_Golf]

I would definitely recommend, and lessons with jay will be in my future as well. - Darren

[@suprand]

It would of been interesting to see how he reacted with a counter balanced shaft

[@ParWars_Golf]

Interesting thought, I think the stock shaft in my G400 max is counter balanced, though I trust that Jay put me in the right stuff for my swing, the guys a genius with this stuff. - Darren

[@suprand]

True. But the kalil white is about 10 grams heavier than his old ping shaft. I get trying to get spin down but would have been interesting if an even lighter shaft would help his speed. The kalil white is a bit shorter which helps.

[@blooms1874]

Great to see the main drivers up against each other with an average handicap player. Love the knowledge displayed by the fitter, that will knock a couple or more off his next few rounds. Well done.

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@blooms1874 Jay is awesome at what he does, the amount of knowledge and attention to detail is amazing for us golfers

[@onesipwonder]

Kinda odd thought under 95 mph swing speed, fitter usually gives a regular shaft

[@martywize5909]

I’ve just bought a Ping g425 max with a 45g reg shaft - set to draw setting. Longest driver and easiest to hit I’ve used in 50 years of golf 👍

[@ParWars_Golf]

They’re something special

[@LaFerlitaFamily]

I swing it around 95-100 but it takes a few to get there. Currently playing a TM stealth2 HD on a Kai’Li Red 60S… but the ‘fitting’ was from just shy of two years ago before I started back. Swinging it better now, however. Consistency of strike is my issue. Been tinkering with the original Callaway Rogue ST MAX LS on a Tensei White 75S and having a blast with it… Have been reading a lot about the 10K and the AI Smoke Max, and can’t decide. Fitting this week for a completely new set…

[@RAIIYN]

Beginner here. Just picked up the 10k. Would love to get a fitting like this. My spin rate is also high. The difference the loft settings make are interesting. Mines a 10.5 though. Will have to see what happens when I loft it down - I hope it doesn’t make my slice worse since it opens it up 😂

[@ParWars_Golf]

Definitely recommend a fitting, especially for us not so great golfers, even if you take it in and get them to dial the settings in

[@alanwhite4809]

I’ve had a few fittings, and they always ask what ball I use. I’ve never had a fitter suggest a different ball. Kind of cool.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Yea Jay / gpp do a full thorough job assessing all aspects of golf not just trying to get you into new gear you don’t need. 👍

[@skol7011]

Thank you for having an average swing speed guy apart of your fitting. Curious though he is fitted with a stiff shaft and I have the same swing speed and I have a regular flex shaft. Cobra LTD max 9 degree average 220-240 yd drives and pretty much in play all the time. I have never been fitted for a driver. Took my trusty Ping G400 max into 2nd swing and golf galaxy and left with my driver every time except when I tried the Cobra and I gained 20 yards and jut as accurate it’s been in my bag for 2 years now 11.6 Hc. I really need to get fitted by a professional and curious how much I would improve. Thanks again for the great video.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Well stiff shafts are still suited for golfers between 90mph & 105mph swing speeds. A regular flex would likely lose Darren some control of the club face. - Nick

[@ParWars_Golf]

A regular shaft could add him some distance for sure. But he’d also like to add speed sooner or later & still be able to keep him in bounds.

[@onesipwonder]

@@ParWars_Golf Thank you for the great information!! I feel like I m on the same boat as Darren.

[@lkae4]

Just got a 10K. Longest drives ever for 4 of the holes on my home track on my second outing. And I'm still rusty from the winter. Unreal. I have an old Ventus Black 5X in it.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Definitely winning the 2024 driver battle right now. Tho the Ai Smoke is a sneaky 1B

[@drodzdrodz909]

Love my qi10 max so easy to hit.

[@gil9417]

Stiff flex at 92 MPH? I would try a softer ball compression and Regular flex... I think he would get a little more snap out of his swing

[@ParWars_Golf]

softer ball hey? darren rocks a bridgestone e something

[@alanhamilton5426]

I’m a scratch player and I love my Ping 430 10k. Put a 46” Autoflex Dream shaft on it and now I’m +20 yards and rarely miss a fairway. When I hit it a little high on the face it just goes and goes. Dead straight.

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@alanhamilton5426 your driver game is my dream 👏👏

[@martysmith9601]

good job. I am 56 and have the same swing speeds 88-95 mph. I use a Ping G410 plus , orange tensei cx 60 stiff at 44.5'' . Hit between205-250 yards.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Feel like the ping works for every golfer haha

[@BrianEpstein-nn5dr]

With you swing speed I'd try 52-58 gram shaft and then mess around with shaft profile (butt, middle and tip) section. With your ball/swing speed Tensei XC 60 stiff is too stiff and not allowing the shaft to release thru impact. Just try something lighter and different bend profile and you'll pickup up 10-15 yards instantly.

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@BrianEpstein-nn5dr noted thanks 🙏

[@AndrewSzekely]

i am literally looking at myself in this video in comparison to swing and ball speed. I am still leaning to G430 Max

[@ParWars_Golf]

It’s an amazing club, going to get it? We have a titleist gt fitting coming soon with Chad (3 hdcp) so some info about the new clubs but not directly the same for you

[@Brolicherbs]

17:43 it's always a good idea to do this, and this was great!!

[@ParWars_Golf]

what, the water logged noodle i found doens't go as well as a brand new pro v haha, all serious, finding a golf ball that fits your game is super important, i learned that in this vid too

[@Darren-df2wn]

Similar swing speed and i average 250y, but can hit it 280. I have a titlest d152 with an inch longer than standard bassara 55gram shaft . It is reg flex with a soft butt and tip section for extra kick. The head is set up for max draw at 13.5 deg and has a 2 gram heavier than standard back weight . If i were to play a low spinning low lofted head on a short stiff, low torque shaft, i would only be hitting it as far as this guy !

[@LaFerlitaFamily]

I’m travelling to Whistler next Feb/Mar from Oz… might need to drop a ski day and spend it over in Victoria for a proper fit with you!

[@ParWars_Golf]

let us know if you need us to connect you with GPP! Legends over there and we think you'll love it!

[@ParWars_Golf]

if you do, may be we will pop in for the fitting and say hi!

[@michaelrowe6220]

Everyone out here equating his driver distance, to handicap. LPGA player’s average 94 mph. Hilary Lunke won the 2003 US Open at Pumpkin Ridge. Averaged about 225 off the tee for the week.

[@ParWars_Golf]

this guy gets it

[@chadbalneaves3607]

The journey to 250yrds begins

[@brandonerdman4160]

Crazy that i hit more 4 iron farther then that

[@johanntamayo7729]

@@brandonerdman4160congrats

[@Kaiju-Goji]

High spin is good for mid - high handicappers we seem to be obsessed with distance at the cost of accuracy and consistency. Out in the real world this guy might have trouble hitting fairways with a low spinning driver and distance drops off on miss hits so the average might be longer in a similar but shorter on the golf course.

[@lincolnprojectnemesis3253]

I've done 3 fittings. 2 of which were the outdoor brand fittings with taylormade and titleist, the 3rd a high dollar fitting with a well established fitter. Over the average of all the fittings, not one new driver performed significantly better if at all than my off the shelf Cleveland. I want 20 more yards!!! What the hell am I doing wrong?

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@lincolnprojectnemesis3253 we’ve found with the Brand fittings there’s a limit in options. shaft options, head options, weight options and obviously brand options. GPP is a super unique place that has every single option available. I’m sure there’s other reasons why you can’t gain 20 yards but the biggest reason is probably to high RPM of Spin.

[@lincolnprojectnemesis3253]

@@ParWars_Golf thank you for the response. Agreed that the shaft choices were limited as was the time dedicated. I may have to bite the financial bullet and try again.

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@lincolnprojectnemesis3253 what ever gets you less spin will get you more yardage but more spin means straighter ball flight. Thats why these new drivers are so good.

[@lincolnprojectnemesis3253]

@@ParWars_Golf headed to AZ in October and you convinced me to take another shot at it. If I don't get a gain, sending you a bill for a sympathy beer. Cheers, and again, thanks for taking the time to respond

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@lincolnprojectnemesis3253 if we ever make actual money doing this we’ll get you out to GPP

[@garysimons1608]

I have the Ping 425. What a great club!

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@garysimons1608 ya great driver

[@Dcuz599]

I’m gaming a king cobra that is ~20 years old with senior shaft and 12° loft. I have avg. swing speed 95mph is it worth for me to buy a new club? Hcp: 25 (A lot of people I’ve seen say that new clubs are just bs?)

[@Dcuz599]

Oh and average distance is around ~219 yards

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@Dcuz599 I’d just recommend going and getting fit, even if you spend the like $100 or something and walk out of there with no new driver, atleast you won’t be wondering? Peace of mind with your gear is key in golf and any sport really

[@-What-are-your-thoughts]

I’ve always been fitted into a max forgiving head and a light stiff shaft by professionals and I always felt my drives should be longer for the move I put on the ball. I bought a TD AI Smoke 70g stiff and I’m 30 yards longer. How do they miss this.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Heavy = further

[@jbh199]

With a 90 mph club head speed, why is he in a stiff shaft ?

[@jerryjohnson9531]

I was wondering the same thing. My swing speed is about 5 mph faster than his and I use a regular shaft.

[@nell103186]

Must have one hell of a short game to be a 15 handicapper. I would of for sure tried out some regular flex shafts just to compare

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@nell103186 yea distance is his weak point, rest of his game is pretty good, hard hitting lots of 5 woods into greens

[@nickvassil3528]

I have a 15 handicap and he hits it further than me.

[@chief1193]

Liked this video, someone with a more realistic swing like most of us!!!!

[@ParWars_Golf]

Welcome to par wars, Something for every golfer, especially us regular ones haha

[@paulsharpe85]

Love it! So cool to see the difference with the new club and maybe ball too. 250+ yards incoming!

[@ParWars_Golf]

Thanks for watching! New tech is great and good to see it working to help mid to high handicappers but combining that with a few lessons = big growth in a players game, especially when trying to hit it in the middle of the club face everytime

[@paulsharpe85]

@@ParWars_Golf definitely! Jason's great and I'm sure some lessons with him will make a big difference!

[@jboyle4832]

Good luck mate good fitting

[@ParWars_Golf]

Thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@DArynBDeMoss]

Should’ve went with the LE Driver and Sson shaft

[@GRUNGELEOPARD]

What loft??

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@GRUNGELEOPARD I think they had him down to like a 7.5-8 degrees - Nick

[@Poorzgolf]

Crazy how Brand Loyalty can affect your striking or mindset. I still believe that the Cobra Darkspeed is a missed opportunity for most fitters. Just came to Darkspeed after hitting a Sim2max for 4 years, loved the Sim2max, but found the Darkspeed a better club. Couldnt even hit a Ping or Calaway worth a shat. Qi10 felt and preformed same as my Sim2, so didnt go that route.

[@ugotmossed84]

I was fitted for the G430 10k and dropped the $600… easily the worst club purchase of my life. I instantly lost distance and accuracy. Sold it after a dozen rounds or so for $300 and went back to my old driver.

[@callmehjames5089]

That's because it all a scam and this driver is for high handicappers also

[@darcybarnes8337]

You take the 169 yard drive out of his gamer average...didnt gain no 20 yards with new one...

[@PaHoHaska]

stiff flex for that guy ? Seems weird to me .. sorry, but what I could see he doesn't have swing for stiff shaft (his swing speed is about 89-91mph). Just my humble 2 cents ...

[@vincentdobbins4189]

It’s all about tempo. Not, how fast you swing the club but how you swing the club fast.

[@Kaiju-Goji]

@@vincentdobbins4189But if you dont swing fast?

[@soothe5242]

Speed is one element of about 5 pal

[@Poorzgolf]

The Cobra Darkspeed is a hidden gem, doesnt get its dues. Fact.

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@Poorzgolf I hit that at the range a few times, definitely agree with this statement -jordie

[@TT-ov1mc]

Come on there are tons of new and better shafts than the years old Ka'li.

[@ParWars_Golf]

what would you recommend?

[@CharlotteK2008]

That ping just wants to go left…. The AI smoke was a much better fit

[@ParWars_Golf]

I liked them both, I could easily game either of them. - Darren

[@NickByolo]

Let the big dog eat

[@ParWars_Golf]

He’s hungry for 250 😂

[@davevardon8618]

Not a fan of the ProV1 blatant promotion - there are other balls that would get him better distance than his "gamer" (ie. Vice) for a lot less $$$

[@jerryjohnson9531]

I agree about the Vice. The Vice Pro Plus is my gamer!!

[@steve5456]

Don't waste your money on a new driver, the one you have is good, spend your money on a good professional for lessons and you will get better distance and be shown how to draw and fade your golf balls.

[@henryxu-zf6ws]

True but it will take a lot of time

[@sweetswing1]

Dude, you literally hit your old ping 230 yards average. No impeachment in the new club really. The "fitter" was really pouring it on but look at your own stats.

[@tekepenguin1981]

These fittings are the biggest scam going in amateur sports. This fitting was all over the place. Dude has a low 90s swing speed and we're gonna start him in a 6.0 black rdx...😂😅. Like what are we doing??? If you are a professional or sub 3 handicap...sure I can absolutely see you getting g a fitting and dialing it in. If you're this guy, claiming a 16+ handicap... you need time at the range and time on the course. Golf is expensive enough, don't throw hundreds of dollars away on getting fit for a club that 8 out of 10 swings you will NEVER be able to replicate.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Oh man, that’s gotta be the worst hot take I’ve ever heard. I have so much to say but I’m afraid you’re going to ask to speak to my manager afterwards. -Nick

[@nisch2379]

Agree lol 90-92mph and you putting him in a stiff shaft

[@dime81]

It all came down to trying to reduce spin while maintaining a feel that I liked, obviously distance and dispersion were huge factors too. I’m super happy with what he fit me into, I wouldn’t change a thing - Darren

[@brandonheikellia7017]

@@nisch2379 you saw the results… It seemed to work for him.

[@PaHoHaska]

@@ParWars_Golf don't be upset just by some comment .. especially as he is right

[@spunky181]

I don’t feel so bad I can hit a $199 cobra 240 looking for 280

[@zachdeezkeys]

If you want distance you need to train swing speed. A stiff flex is not the best fit for this fella.

[@jeffreyhart2282]

No way he’s a 15 handicap

[@ParWars_Golf]

doesn't look like it, but yea the man is, he's really good at always hitting a 5 wood approach into a green =)

[@chrisbrader7720]

Guy needs lessons,then a new driver.Weight on the back foot every drive.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Been swinging it a lot better, but you aren’t wrong. Lessons are needed big time

[@TenPester]

Dude needs lessons, not a new driver.

[@ParWars_Golf]

Thank you for your continued support

[@nisch2379]

The background music really

[@vgalliezf]

😊

[@SnoopyGolf]

That guy is a terrible fitter.

[@ParWars_Golf]

@@SnoopyGolf that’s a new one