Middle-earth Mysteries - Missing Persons

[@DarthGandalfYT]

For any fans of Elured and Elurin, I have two things to say. Firstly, why? And secondly, they're 100% dead.

[@Strideo1]

We never actually see Eluréd and Elurín die though. They could be anywhere. (I'm pretty sure they're dead though.)

[@jonystyles9473]

Yeah, like the theory u gave earlier, if they were never found they were never confirmed... " Tradition among the Nandor of Ossiriand held that they were led to the safety of the woodlands by birds and beasts and thereby survived." could it be...

[@user-bt1pm7wo7o]

Question for you, what do you think would’ve happened if Earnur never fought the Witch King. Would he have married and had a family? Would there be a civil war after he died? How would the War of the Ring go down.

[@a.m.pietroschek1972]

At least you realized that Gandalf abused the Companionship to correct his personal mistakes. 🤔

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Their father was described as the most beautiful, handsome being in all of Arda. These twins must have looked amazing even as rotting corpses. Dior was a trendsetter in showing that looking fantastic and not accomplishing anything is enough to be remembered in song. His sons were even more useless, and yet people talk about them. I hope I^ll be a pretty corpse some day too, one can hope... ;)

[@blacklespaul01]

The entwives would spring to mind, incidentally

[@PiraticalBob]

I've thought more than once about writing a fanfic about Maglor son of Feanor. In my mind he wanders the shores of Eriador, still a capable musician, but not often practicing it. Instead he most often dwells with the Druedain of Druwaith Iaur, where he has become a healer, and has great prestige among the Dru-folk. In my plot outline Cirdan sends a team of elves to find him and beg him to return to Valinor. Maglor agrees and journeys with the company to the Grey Havens, where he is part of the Last Ship company, along with Cirdan, Celeborn and the sons of Elrond. Along the way he points out the place where he threw the Silmaril into the sea and, when the ship arrives in Eressea, news of this reaches Ulmo, who sends his servants after the stone...

[@Crafty_Spirit]

So he basically gets away with all the horrible deeds he^s partaken in? I really like the image though of Maglor, revered guest of the Druedain...

[@PiraticalBob]

@@Crafty_Spirit Maglor would know he faced judgment before the Valar. Is two full Ages of Middle-Earth sufficiently long enough to atone for his crimes? Only Manwe or Mandos could say.

[@williamjohnson3093]

Maybe he founded Edhellond?

[@michakowalow4090]

Amandil the father of Elendil sailed West and was never heard of again. If I am not mistaken then Tuor and Idril did the same thing...

[@comradetomato3677]

They sailed to valinor and tuor became part of the eldar.

[@thomasalvarez6456]

Tuor and Idril were in Valinor. I presume Amandil made it but he only persuaded Manwe to save his son and his people. He still died as he’s not Tuor or Earendil.

[@tdubya75]

If you’re taking requests I would really like to hear your theory on how Glamdring and Orcrist were found in a troll hoard. The orcs were so afraid of those swords that they gave them nicknames so I doubt they would’ve taken them after the destruction of Gondolin, so who grabbed them? I also doubt trolls took them and handed them down one age to the next.

[@PiraticalBob]

They were probably taken originally by orcs as war trophies. The fact that they were recognized on sight by all the orcs from generations millennia later indicates that they were hung up for display in an orc-hold somewhere, one of the ones sacked by the dwarves during the War of the Dwarves and Orcs. Left behind by the triumphant dwarves, they were looted by Tom, Burt and William, who were simply scavenging the orc-hold afterward.

[@Crafty_Spirit]

That is a great question. I suspect that for a time the weapons were stored in Eregion.

[@tdubya75]

@@Crafty_Spirit Yeah, that could be.

[@spacemissing]

Trolls are not orcs, and orcs are not trolls. It is not likely the trolls would have known those weapons were anything special.

[@Edward-nf4nc]

I can think of eleven right now. Two are well known and could probably be skipped over; the Blue Wizards. The twin sons of Elrond. We know they remained in Rivendell after Elrond left, but not their ultimate fate. Legolas mother. We know she married, but don't hear anything more of her. The sixth is potentially much more interesting. Arvedui had two sons and we know what happens to Aranarth, the elder, but nothing about his younger brother. I personally believe he went North with his father and died in the shipwreck. There is also Amandil, father of Elendil, and his three companions who sailed to Valinor in 3316 S.A. We don't even have any beliefs from the Dunedain on what happened to them! Theee is also the child of Morwen, the parent of the Steward Egalmoth of Gondor. We don't know who this person is except that it is their son who becomes Steward of Gondor! The rest of Nimloth's company also disappear! Another person who goes missing, but reappears, is Erkinbrand of Rohan.

[@squamish4244]

Tolkien decided in his last writings that the Blue Wizards had come to Middle Earth in the Second Age, succeeded in their task of turning large numbers of the peoples of Rhun and Harad against Sauron, and therefore greatly reduced the forces available to Sauron in both the War of the Last Alliance and the wars of the Third Age.

[@Edward-nf4nc]

We know they did this, but we also know they never returned to Aman, so where did they go? What happened to them? Radagast likely looked after wildlife and helped clean the woods, but what about the Blue Wizards?

[@Partalainen]

I have to say, I'm loving your current upload schedule! Always a pleasant surprise seeing a new Darth Gandalf video. Keep them coming mate!

[@uberjens]

What about Thorongil? Great man who assisted both Gondor and Rohan, and would surely have been an asset to king Elessar if he'd not mysteriously disappeared!

[@peterruf1462]

Good old thorongil probably just died of old age. He must have been over 80 by the time of elessar

[@ciaranirvine]

Errrr Thorongil WAS Aragorn, in disguise.

[@grimgrauman7650]

​@@ciaranirvine i think you did not get the joke😂

[@ciaranirvine]

@@grimgrauman7650 It can be hard to tell on t'interwebs!

[@DarthGandalfYT]

Clearly he went east and died like an idiot. Shame though.

[@jameshumphrey2345]

Fun compilation. Also, forbid that we forget Queen Berúthiel.

[@tominiowa2513]

And her 10 kitty-cats.

[@istari0]

There's a letter from 1964 that recently came to light that included 9 pages of text including the following paragraph: "The other two Silmarils were also taken by the Valar from the crown of Morgoth. But the last surviving sons of Feänor (Maedros and Maglor), in a despairing attempt to carry out the Oath, stole them again. But they were tormented by them, and at last they perished each with a jewel: one in a fiery cleft in the earth, and one in the sea. So the three Silmarils were lost for ever “until the remaking of the world”: in air, earth, and sea. Thus ended the First Age." It's titled Concerning... "The Hoard" and the full text can be found online.

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Council of the Rings was better informed than Darth Gandalf this time it seems :)

[@Carlb328]

Tolkien said that elves can die of grief, like Arwen after Aragorn died.

[@TheCountZopolai]

My view is that by far the most convincing argument about Maglor is that he is in Eryn Vorn in Minhiriath. That is because: 1) He must have started his exile in the general vicinity of Lindon, as with all elves surviving the sinking of Beleriand. 2) He clearly could not stay in Lindon proper as he would not be welcome by Cirdan in particular, given his involvement in the sack of Sirion, so he will not be in that land. 3) It is very unlikely that he would have travelled to any of the surviving islands of Beleriand for the same reason, as he could only obtain ships from Lindon. 4) He is very unlikely to leave the seashore, having thrown the Silmaril into the sea and his ban from Valinor, so he is very unlikely to travel further than absolutely necessary. That leaves the coastal regions of Eriador as a possibility. Any further south, and you're into heavily populated lands. 5) That leaves three coastal regions of Eriador (excluding Lindon, if it counts)- Enedwaith, Minhiriath, and Forochel. 6) I think that Forochel is unlikely- he's going to have heard stories about what happened in the Helcaraxe in his youth, and isn't going to think much of the subarctic. So one of the two southern regions. 7) Eryn Vorn is the only patch of woodland left on the coast of Enedwaith or Minhiriath. Elves, clearly, have a habit of seeking refuge in woodlands in times of danger, and come to think of it, so did Maglor in Ossiriand after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. It's also (almost) uninhabited and was never really under anyone's control, except nominally Arnor/Cardolan

[@Crafty_Spirit]

It^s a plausible scenario but it^s kind of hard to believe that Maglor survived since Tolkien wrote in the Concering the Hoard text that Maglor died...

[@4Bobay]

I was always curious about the region you named.

[@skillsmachine9164]

Thats a lot of thought to put into something that there can never be proof for 😂 on another topic, when beren and luthian were sent back for another chance at life together, did he get his hand back?

[@TheCountZopolai]

@@skillsmachine9164 Yes, to make up for Maedhros not getting his hand back

[@skillsmachine9164]

@TheCountZopolai It wasnt stated in the silmarillion so we don't know...but I like to think he did.

[@bleekskaduwee6762]

Best Christmas present ever a DarthGandolf video. Thank you so much . I am such a huge fan of your great work

[@yavuzkoroglu7792]

A bunch of entwives are also missing. Please tell the ents if you see any sign of them!

[@jonystyles9473]

love your lore bro, and these series are the best ever :D there might be some more characters but these ones are very interesting keep up the good work, and a merry christmas for u bro ;)

[@anti-liberalismo]

Alas for Daeron! It is so sad what happened to him...

[@StalkerNaturaliste]

Maybe I have two other missing people: Tuor and Idril. I know they are supposed to be in Valinor and Tuor be the first human accepted there. But at that time the way to Valinor was closed and thair arrival should have triggered the response of the Valar before Earendil's did. It was always weird for that they, first: sailed at that time, second: arrived to Valinor, and third: it didn't had any impact whatsoever. It souds like a fairy tail and they were actually lost in the sea.

[@venkelos6996]

Ah, rhe Blue Wizards. When even the author slips into character mode, and just says "I never learned what happened to them." Some characters really do just "go missing", and it's weird, sometimes, when otherwise Tolkien could be SO detail-oriented. There are blades of grass, from flying seed, to sprouting shoot, to the horse, and back to the earth, that get more details than some of Tolkien's characters. I still wonder about some of the "missing dragons". Several of the great Dwarf strongholds were sacked by dragons, and while none were necessarily as mighty as Smaug, no tale ever tells of their fate; of Dwarves recapturing these halls, or Men killing them, and scattering the look. Oh well.

[@iz9744]

Maglor was not the eldest of Feanor litter, Maedhros was.

[@XR_TRON]

Not sure where to ask this, but I have an off topic question about Melkor. If Melkor alone knew fear among the Valar (I don't recall any of the other Valar knowing fear) does that mean Eru Iluvatar could also know fear or be fearful in some capacity?

[@Crafty_Spirit]

That is a great question, hope you¨ll receive a good answer :)

[@dtice69]

Looks like we're gonna need a Middle Earth true crime podcast to figure some of these out.

[@rileywilliams9799]

The final fates of Elured and Elurin may be among the most tragic of the First Age.

[@anti-liberalismo]

We actually know that Earnur and the Witch King fought in single combat at the gates of Minas Morgul, and indeed, during the fighting "he was betrayed by the nazgul and taken alive into the city of torments" as is stated in the silmarillion

[@thecappeningchannel515]

Would the Witch King have fought him personally? Earnur certainly med Dubedain in Arnor who gave him knowledge of Barrowblades, and these would have been deadly to the Witch King. Nah, I believe Earnur was trapped and seized by orcs or whatever at the orders of the Nazgul. Then tortured and killed.

[@anti-liberalismo]

@@thecappeningchannel515 you have a good point, but it was explicitly stated that they fought in single combat

[@thecappeningchannel515]

@@anti-liberalismo where?

[@anti-liberalismo]

@@thecappeningchannel515 in the chapter Of the Rings of Poeer and the Third Age, of the Silmarillion

[@BPOOHEAD189]

I want to thank you for not only using good art, but crediting the artist, rather than using one of those ai image generators. Tolkien would be happy

[@yamureska]

Not gonna lie, Maglor makes me think of that one Fish in Spongebob who keeps running around and yelling "CHOCOLATE!!!" Imagine being at the beach and some random guy suddenly yelling about Morgoth to you...

[@Sandnan_der_gruene_Pilger]

Hey i love your content, can you make a video about what happend in the first age in the regions east of beleriand, like in eriador and further. I know the story of the wandering of the three houses of the edain, but there settled many other elves an men and it's hard to find information about that, maybe you can make video where you summerize all things that happend there and if it's possible with a map. Things like in the video where you talk about bereg who takes 1000 men with him into eriador, i've never heard of these stories and didn't know where to find, thats why an summerize on all those things that happend there would be awesome. Thanks for the wunderful content and keep it up.

[@ciaranirvine]

There are only fragments on what was going on outside of Beleriand, unfortunately. But it's likely that Bereg's band were the ancestors of the Men of Bree. From Unfinished Tales, on the return of the Numenoreans to Middle Earth in 600 SA: "The news spread swiftly and Men in Eriador were filled with wonder. Although in the First Age they had dwelt in the East, rumours of the terrible war 'beyond the Western Mountains' [i.e. Ered Luin] had reached them; but their traditions preserved no clear account of it, and they believed that all the Men who dwelt in the lands beyond had been destroyed or drowned in great tumults of fire and inrushing seas. But since it was still said among them that those Men had in years beyond memory been kinsmen of their own, they sent messages to Gil-galad asking leave to meet the shipmen 'who had returned from death in the deeps of the Sea.' Thus it came about that there was a meeting between them on the Tower Hills; and to that meeting with the Númenóreans came twelve Men only out of Eriador, Men of high heart and courage, for most of their people feared that the newcomers were perilous spirits of the Dead. But when they looked on the shipmen fear left them, though for a while they stood silent in awe; for mighty as they were themselves accounted among their kin, the shipmen resembled rather Elvish lords than mortal Men in bearing and apparel. Nonetheless they felt no doubt of their ancient kinship; and likewise the shipmen looked with glad surprise upon the Men of Middle-earth, for it had been believed in Númenor that the Men left behind were descended from the evil Men who in the last days of the war against Morgoth had been summoned by him out of the East. But now they looked upon faces free from the Shadow and Men who could have walked in Númenor and not been thought aliens save in their clothes and their arms."

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Bereg and his company are (only) mentioned in the Silmarillion, the chapter that describes the arrival and settlements of the Edain

[@ciaranirvine]

@@Crafty_Spirit Yeah ever heard of extrapolation and reasonable inference?

[@Crafty_Spirit]

@@ciaranirvine I brought that up because the OP basically asked where to find this particular story. I did not mean to comment on your post :)

[@gagaplex]

When you talk about Maglor being too young to have faded... I do wonder. Is fading just an issue of growing old? Somehow I always thought it was also about a certain world-weariness... about losing yourself. Basically, I don't think Elves have to hit a uniform age to start to fade but do start to fade at different ages. Kind of like how humans tend to suffer from dementia at an older age, sure, but the exact age differs from human to human.

[@brucealanwilson4121]

What about Thranduil's wife?

[@grimgrauman7650]

We also don't know what happend to Shagrat. We know that he must have delivert the Mithril shirt, but then?

[@Uncle_Fred]

He was almost certainly executed upon delivering Frodo's gear to Barad-Dur. This is guessed at by another Orc in Gorgoroth. There 's also a letter by Tolkien describing what he would have done to the orcs that slew Isidur. Sauron would have known that these orcs knew nothing of the ring. He would have tortured every last one of them for every last scrap of memory all the same.

[@lotsofspots]

We don't know what happened to the Mouth of Sauron, either - he isn't dishonourably beheaded by the coward Aragorn in the book.

[@c.karkipal6304]

Fled to Norway and joined a band called Dimmu Borgir as a lead vocalist

[@cavetroll666]

Maglor i always wondered about.

[@DarthHoosier3038]

Isn’t Maglor the 2nd oldest Feanor son? I thought Maedhros was the oldest.

[@zdhim2714]

​@@DarthHoosier3038yes he made a mistake.

[@WhoIsCalli]

Real interesting to think about these missing elves

[@KorithStoneheart]

Maedros is the eldest son of Faenor. I can't believe you didn't double check this.

[@videocrowsnest5251]

Perhaps some of them are, rather than being missing, instead secret grandmaster tier hide-and seek players? Though in all reality, considering how dangerous Middle-Earth can be for anyone outside some form of armed protection, I'm more than willing to bet roaming bands of orcs among other dangerous entities have collectively a pretty high unconfirmed kill count.

[@nedmanus4761]

Middle-earth mysteries idea: who impersonated Amlach at the Council of Estolad?

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Maybe Sauron, seems like the obvious pick for this job

[@kxuydhj]

i would like to point out two things: 1. no corpse no kill 2. seeing as Thingol spent 200 years staring at a hot girl i can easily imagine an elf walking off in a hissy fit in the first age and casually returning somewhere in the fourth age, wondering where the hell everyone went.

[@bristleconepine4120]

Melian disappeared and AFAIK we have no idea where she went. Speaking of, we also know very little about what happened to Beren and Lúthien. We know that a Sindarin messenger brought their Silmaril to Dior, pronouncing that they were dead, but gave no context about their deaths. Was it of natural causes, or something more interesting?

[@peterruf1462]

They only had limited time left as agreed by Mandos

[@bristleconepine4120]

@@peterruf1462 Again, we don't know the context of their actual deaths.

[@ciaranirvine]

Melian was a Maia, she just forsook her adopted body and returned to Valinor. On Beren and Luthien, the Quest was in 466 FA, when Beren was 34, and Dior receives the Silmaril in 503. That's 37 years + 34 = 71. So most likely Beren simply died of old age and Luthien then chose to "give up the Gift", like Aragorn later did. Their deaths only seemed "too soon" to the Elves

[@bristleconepine4120]

@@ciaranirvine 71 is pretty young for a member of the House of Beör, TBCH. They usually lived to around 90 - and that's even if we accept the Silmarillion's not-entirely-credible timeline. As for Melian, I'm not sure it works that way. We know that of the Istari, who are also Maiar, only Olórin (Gandalf) even went back to Valinor, and he did so corporeally. Saruman's spirit we know got blown away, presumably by Manwë, but why couldn't the other three have returned as houseless spirits if nothing else? All we know is that they didn't - and, AFAIK, the same holds for Melian.

[@Crafty_Spirit]

@@ciaranirvine Em quite sure that the Silmarillion text says nothing about Melian forsaking her body. Also, isn't this the chapter that was like half written by Christopher Tolkien? The legitimacy of the source material is a bit restricted

[@cycklist]

Does anyone have a link to the mentioned video about Radagast?

[@grimgrauman7650]

Go on his channel and look, it is only like 5-6 Videos down from this one.

[@curtislangford3181]

Amandil comes too mind...what was his fate?????

[@novalux4452]

What about Ungoliant?

[@christosvoskresye]

Get over her, Daeron. There's lots of fish in the sea.

[@gengisgio]

What would have happened if Eru did not intervene when the Numenoreans attacked Valinor? What if the Valar would not have intervened directly either?

[@Pentagathusosaurus]

I wonder if the Hidden Hobbit Hildebrand is a nod to Trotter

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Missing 411: Middle Earth Mysteries

[@margaretalbrecht4650]

I think that Maglor faded. He had no reason holding him to earth. No purpose unlike Círdan. So I think he faded quickly. I have wondered if anyone ever told Daeron what happened to Lúthien.

[@lotsofspots]

His purpose was to seek the Silmarils, the Oath may have bound him to continue to haunt the shore near to where one fell into the Sea.

[@margaretalbrecht4650]

@@lotsofspots Oh, I think he's there. I just think he's faded and has suffered the fate of all elves that stay in Middle-earth: to fade into an unseen, bodiless spirit. I just think that it happened to him faster. So I think his disembodied spirit is doomed to wander that shore until the world ends.

[@ShepherdoftheForest3018]

Missing 411: Maglor the Elf

[@scoobysnacker1999]

I've got a What If suggestion: What if Saruman survived into the 4th Age? And honestly: he DID reveal to Gandalf that he made a Ring of his own. Saruman was a Maia, in fact a peer to Sauron in the service of Aule. He had the requisite background to craft such things. We never learn what his Ring does, but we do know Saruman had been the preeminent scholar and researcher of all things Sauron, as acknowledged by Gandalf and the rest of the Wise. He would be aware that Sauron's Ring was the repository of his power and essence, and that Sauron had reformed (returned from "death") at least twice- the drowning of Numenor, and then the Last Alliance. In both cases, since Sauron's Ring wasn't destroyed, he was able to come back. Fast after Numenor, because he returned and reclaimed the Ring. Millennia after the Last Alliance, since the Ring wasn't destroyed but he never got it back. If Saruman made his own Ring for the same purpose, he should be able to return from being stabbed by Wormtongue. Same principle. I don't think we ever resolved what happened to his Ring, so it's fairly likely to have survived, and thus held the bulk of his power and essence. Saruman was known for advanced weaponry, the "fire of Orthanc" that breached the walls of Helm's Deep, and the other "devices of Saruman" used to drive off Sauron at Dol Guldur. He was also known to be both charismatic and manipulating. Tolkien's in-universe conception was that Middle Earth IS our Earth, the Red Book a real historical document and history of ancient events. The advancement of civilization (of Men) in reality has always been tied to technological advances- the culture with the newer tech wins those wars. Going from bronze to iron, to steel, machinery, gunpowder, etc- "evidence" of Saruman at work behind the scenes?

[@Vehk_of_Vehk]

I could be completely wrong but I believe as far as the ring lore stuff, since saruman used the same techniques basically that Sauron used in his crafting of tue ring, Saruman's ring would be innately tied to the one, as the elven rings are tied to the one, despite Celebrimbor making them himself, so with the one's destruction, Saruman's ring would also lose its power.

[@scoobysnacker1999]

@@Vehk_of_Vehk Not necessarily... Celebrimbor would not have known what to look out for at deeper levels, as he didn't understand it was Sauron, and also perhaps he didn't fully understand what exactly was happening with the Rings. Let's say they are all computers, with wifi to connect to the network that runs Ea. Now, let's say that Sauron slipped in some code somewhere, perhaps in the boot sequence, that directs all the Rings to connect to the One first, and only access that single pathway. And once it does, it must always do so, and if that pathway is lost, you lose any further connection. Celebrimbor might not have the 'coding' knowledge to even know it's there, and just knows he needed that to start his build. But Saruman might- have the knowledge and coding skills, from Aule. What he took from Sauron was concept, to build a device to tap into that network. He could work out the steps without taking Sauron's actual coding; he could connect to the overall network, but not the LAN that the One and the other Rings were on. It wouldn't be tied to the Rings of Power, one way or the other. Thus, it wouldn't take from them, and it wouldn't collapse when they go down. But if someone copied HIS work, then maybe they'd be tied to HIS ring.... if he put that into the coding.

[@jakeferreira1211]

I know that the evidence doesn't line up, and in some cases it seems to contradict it, but I love the theory that King Eãrnur became the Mouth of Sauron. I just think it's really cool, as improbable as it is.

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Cool? I think it would be an unbearable shame for the royal line of Gondor and Arnor...

[@Uncle_Fred]

He was a Black Numenorian. I personally prefer the this explanation as it hints at the continued existence of other Numenorian settlements beyond the knowledge of Frodo, and that these domains are possibly tributaries of Mordor.

[@jakeferreira1211]

@@Uncle_Fred If you're referring to the Mouth of Sauron, yes. That's most likely what he was. And it goes beyond hinting at the existence of other surviving decendants of Numenor. Those absolutely existed, particularly in the south in places like Umbar, where there were permanent or semi-permanent Numenorian colonies before the downfall, and those were primarily made up of Numenorians corrupted by Sauron. Some even ended up marrying into the royal line. The most famous of which is probably Queen Berúthiel, who married Kind Tarannon of Gondor.

[@jamesjacobs4209]

Thorongil was Aragorn.

[@BelegaerTheGreat]

Maglor - I think his oath got to him. They swore bad things would happen to them if they do not pursue the Silmarils, and what Maglor did was exactly the cessation of pursuit. Daeron - Let me just preserve this comment I found: "I feel most for Daeron. Wandering Middle Earth forever in loneliness and regret, not a fate I’d wish on anyone. Hope he found a nice elf maiden who loved and respected him…actually, as I’m writing this comment, it’s just occurred to me, him and Nimrodel would make a pretty perfect match, wouldn’t they? And both of them are unaccounted for? Makes you wonder…" And I was like 'OMG that would be so perfect!' but then I read the reply: "He found Maglor" AND I SO LOST IT, LMAOOOOOOOOOOO Elmo, Galathon, Galathil - no notes, probably dead. Mithrellas - I would assume she went where Nimrodel went, wherever that was. Unless Nimrodel got together with Daeron, though now that I think of it, that husband-abandoning bitch did not deserve such a sweetheart as him. Lenwe - Definitely dead. The rest are unimportant.

[@eternalistmorqan9476]

Where is Thranduil?

[@erothill1082]

He could have been added her too indeed. We don't really know for certain what happened to Thranduil in the 4th age. He probably traveled to the undying lands. Or stayed in middle earth to dwindle and eventually be forgotten by all (mortal beings at least). But I think the first choice is what happened. Surely he didn't die. I mean after the threat of Sauron and his armies had passed, who could have ever killed a highly skilled in combat elven king who is heavily guarded. There were not any enemies that strong left around

[@GetsugaTensho85]

I seem to remember that Mirkwood was attacked by Mordor during the War of the Ring. After that mess was sorted, he and Celeborn went to work and cleared the forest from everything Sauron related with Galadriel pretty much flattening Dol Guldur into nothing. After that, they divide the forest between themselves and the local humans and pretty much live in peace. I'm guessing he eventually leaves for the undying lands. Either on his own, or with Legolas and Gimli, or even Celeborn as he hangs around with his grandsons after Galadriel leaves and eventually leaves himself.

[@hoyer]

the blue wizards?

[@shonaflood2786]

Voronwe the elven sailor who led tuor to gondolin. Then there is elendils three companions who went with him to valinor

[@shonaflood2786]

Sorry meant to say earendil

[@wouter.de.ruiter]

Maglor is still around! People who seen him call him the Flying Dutchman nowadays, or the Wandering Jew

[@His_Name_Was_King]

Those short names may be pronounced in long syllables. Fyi

[@talesoftheeldar8688]

Darth Gandalf Firiel and Beruthiel ?

[@eng20h]

We also dont know the fate of Ibun son of Mim nor of that of the Mouth of Sauron

[@stegura83]

What happened to Tauriel after the Battle of the Five Armies? 😂

[@squamish4244]

Tolkien had a habit of explaining _too much_ about his world. However, his world was so vast that there are still mysteries in it, thank god. It's always good to leave some things unexplained, unintentionally. (Tom Bombadil does not count, lol.)

[@parmandil594]

You missed the two Blue Wizards, who disappeared in the East of Middle Earth.

[@DaBIONICLEFan]

They've been discussed to death though

[@parmandil594]

@@DaBIONICLEFan Thank you, I will see

[@christosvoskresye]

I wonder if Tolkien would have really approved of the androgynous elves. I seriously doubt it.

[@VicKrueg]

The dh in Sindarin is a dipthong equivalent in English th, so Maedhros should be pronounced "my thrōs" or possibly "may thrōs".

[@chables74]

Algormancy!

[@HoagsObject00]

#1: Bilbo Baggins

[@karrde5566]

i thought i had a decent understanding of LotR lore and i have no idea who any of these people are lol

[@graydoncarruth5044]

Um…….The Blue Wizards…….?

[@grimgrauman7650]

You could have also talked about Balins Expedition. For a long time nobody know what append in Moria.

[@Marko777ify]

"Who knows? Who cares?" - R. Federer

[@darkjudge8786]

All vids like do is convince me that the deeper you look into Tolkein the worse the stories appear and the poorer a writer he actually was. Maybe just enjoy what we have or we'll cease to enjoy them at all

[@DarthGandalfYT]

I mean, there's an argument to be made that once you delve far enough in, it does lose some of the magic.

[@Lucy-yc4bc]

algorithm

[@Strideo1]

Al Gore rhythm?