Midnight Hunt - Best New Multi-Colored Commanders | The Command Zone 420 | Magic: The Gathering EDH

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Show Notes:
The inky darkness of night washes over Innistrad as the hunt for the best commander BEGINS... With our review of all the multicolored legends in Innistrad: Midnight Hunt! This episode we cover every multicolored commander from the new set, discussing synergies, power level, and who you should choose to helm your next deck.
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[@nathantawfik7100]

Glad to see Jimmy and Josh back together singing again, I've missed it

[@frankhorak4026]

Me2

[@DarthSnugglePuss]

This is what America’s been clamoring for.

[@zacharytrapani3636]

I missed it too. They should make an album

[@ahgames8431]

Highkey, i think they're hella good LOL

[@pablobelmonte1281]

Also glad to see. Please, less products. I can't keep up. Now, episodes are "whatever"

[@Notorious_BHG]

Timestamps, because I keep coming back to this video and always forget where things are: 0:00 Intro 4:10 Main topic and new mechanics 12:40 Dennick, Pious Apprentice (Blue/White) 22:42 Lynde, Cheerful Tormenter (Blue/Black/Red) 32:51 Florian, Volderren Scion (Black/Red) 44:26 Katilda, Dawnhart Prime (Green/White) 50:50 Liesa, Forgotten Archangel (White/Black) 1:01:09 Ads 1:04:40 Ludevic, Necrogenius (Blue/Black) 1:13:05 Old Stickfingers (Black/Green) 1:17:46 Rem Karolus (Red/White) 1:23:40 Sigarda, Champion of Light (Green/White) 1:30:38 Slogurk, the Overslime (Green/Blue) 1:37:00 Tovolar, Dire Overlord (Red/Green) 1:41:40 Vadrik, Astral Archmage (Blue/Red) 1:49:50 Final Thoughts

[@daredewley9231]

Congratulations on 420 episodes crew! You really blazed the trail for edh content creation. I hope you keep rolling them out!

[@annexsentry]

Beautiful.

[@ryangoodenow2518]

Nice.

[@MrRockguy84]

i see what u did there hehe, nice

[@joshuabrokaw2241]

Way to be blunt.

[@rmcminiking]

These comments have been a real joint effort

[@gabrieljalbert6026]

"There are only 12" 2 hour long episode Classic

[@poofypeanut0221]

Dude cmon, be realistic, it’s 1 hour and 56 minutes okay?

[@poofypeanut0221]

@Kylar Cheng I was just teasing

[@FeastOfFiction]

looooooooooool

[@MayBeSomething]

"Math is for blockers" Coven: Am I a joke to you?

[@jasonmackay7898]

I'm so excited for Tovolar, Ulrich of the Krallenhorde was my first commander deck and it is one of my favorite decks even if it wasn't the most consistent. Now it sounds like my werewolf deck will be actually super good!

[@jgmclellan]

I know these things take an enormous amount of time and I appreciate it but it would be super helpful if you could timestamp the different commanders so folks could find the ones they are particularly interested in

[@thebraveguy9808]

This. 100,000 times this.

[@chancellorpalprotein2886]

I’m trying to build my first commander deck. I’ve listened to a lot of your podcasts and a lot of game knights episodes and deck techs. I think i know what to do because of you guys. Thank you.

[@codicarroll5537]

Good luck man. Something I suggest to people who want to build there first deck I would go 2 colors. It’s really doesn’t matter witch ones but it’s hard to go wrong with green blue. I’m having a lot of fun with aesi

[@LordBlazfemur]

@@codicarroll5537 aesi's awesome. Part of the 99 in my koma deck

[@chancellorpalprotein2886]

@@codicarroll5537 thanks. I was thinking of prossh, skyraider of kher. It’s three colored, but i have some experience building standard decks. Thanks

[@koelkast9]

@@chancellorpalprotein2886 heck yeah. Prosh is amazing

[@cas126]

Werewolves are kind of like dragons. You play them for the funsies because one makes you public enemy #1 and the other most people can keep you from hulking out. You basically gotta build it like a humans deck with occasional flipside.

[@AsterDXZ]

Nah, I’ll never be afraid of werewolves. They’re still trash even after the Day/Night mechanic. Dragons are always scary.

[@thetux459]

I don't think True Name Nemesis would work for Olag, as Olag isn't entering the battlefield.

[@ProphetofEndTimes]

I like how DJ would just say names however he wants and doesn't worry about pronunciation, but Josh is always "how do you pronounce this!?" Fantastic dichotomy

[@Miluriel]

Re: Liesa - In German, the e behind the i makes it a long i (=ee). So yeah, pronouncing it "Leesa" absolutely makes sense to me :D

[@LordDuddy77]

Loving this set and its not even out yet. The amount of cards im putting in my commander decks from this set is insane.

[@shouderi]

Love DJ man, but is so good to see you 2 together again, is almost nostalgic lol

[@Zaeylo]

Wow, Im still deciding what decks to build from the last set. And here we are with a whole new one.

[@monkeyman-mm8qc]

Omg the disturbed joke made me chuckle more then I should have. Guess I got the sickness 😂😂😂

[@Wolf21973]

I love my werewolf commander deck and modern deck. I can't waitnto update it with a few things from this set. Tovolar will be nice swinging in with commander damage. I run doubling season, parallel lives, second harvest, great henge, all the good wolves and werewolves. Klothys has been my commander up until Tovolar. It was actually pretty good just for the constant life gain and my play group often fetched things from their grave

[@decktechsandspecs]

One thing you didn't mention when it comes to Dennick which I really like is that it's the perfect commander for the "Second Sunrise" type of deck - one where you sacrifice a bunch of value creatures, then use a second sunrise-type effect to reanimate EVERYTHING.

[@kitsunesanchez6720]

“It is the werewolf set after all” Me after seeing all the spoilers: Is it? Is it really?

[@Blaze_1013]

Given how much werewolves show up in the art of cards, yes

[@reutermo]

More werewolfes than any set before, so yes?

[@Fillion117]

@@reutermo Only 1 werewolf commander in the werewolf set. Kinda disappointed.

[@reutermo]

@@Fillion117 then your expectations were to blame, not the set. Werewolves are primary in two colours. Two expect to build around commanders in the same colour combination with the same gimmick in one set is kinda dumb.

[@Fillion117]

@@reutermo I'm not asking for a set only in green and red with only werewolf. I'm just disappointed that in a werewolf themed set, we only received 1 legendary werewolf. I feel like this set is a human/warlock set more then a werewolf one. WotC really push the werewolf theme in there promotion and underdelivered in my opinion. It is true that I was expecting more, but my wife who was not expecting a lot still felt let down. Even the preconstructed commander deck do not have a werewolf one.

[@DAsrada]

51:37 (the guys arguing about Liesa's name) "YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, LIESA!"

[@TeaHauss]

I hope in the commander reveal we get an Innistrad-themed color-shifted Tectonic Reformation in white, call it Harvest Season and have the farmers gathering wheat in the art.

[@doompulse4551]

But Harvest Season is a green card from Amonkhet

[@bulbafett16]

So glad to see both of you back together in a video. Also, please nobody play "whenever Josh or Jimmy say blam-oo, take a drink/shot"

[@LordBlazfemur]

omfg.. i cant even type right now. #blamowasted

[@Blizz3112]

I do appreciate Jimmy's enthusiasm when it comes to rituals... ;-)

[@ralphynunez1347]

LOVE THAT OUTRO!!! and am genuinely touched that syr gwyn made it. She was my first deck and you guys made her look epic. Miss the intro songs too❤

[@rowrow_]

Dennick seems like a great way to use Clone creatures. Clone the front side, let the Commander go to the graveyard to the legend rule, then you can get *both* sides of its effects in a commander game

[@sparrow5701]

I’ve only just got into magic but these cards are making me so excited!

[@Oopsall]

Welcome, you're gonna like it here.

[@jetcell4517]

Welcome to the best trading card game

[@stephbarton8065]

I think its so cool! that the doll in the Lynde card is of the planeswalker from the 2017 commander curse cycle!!

[@AngeloRosales64]

Finally some classic command zone podcast. Just jimmy and josh just the way I like it.

[@willemgreen8209]

Florian looks really fun, definitely going in my new Prosper aristocrats style deck, and I'm excited to see decks with it at the helm.

[@levrapport2033]

I'm not an expert (at all), but I think Lynde's "beginning of upkeep" effect can be stacked to have her move the curse before said curse triggers. Both say "at the beginning of your upkeep", so usually (I believe) that means you can order the simultaneous triggers however you want. Alternatively (if I'm wrong about choosing order of effects), isn't the stack usually ordered "last in, first out"? So if Lynde was cast after the curse, then she would trigger first.

[@isaachaahr8691]

You can order your triggers yes, but that does not change the fact you still have a curse trigger on you to resolve.

[@TheRensvind]

@@isaachaahr8691 Lev is rightfully saying that there is no need to wait for "your next upkeep" to move the new curse. You order the triggers in such a way that Curse of Misfortune resolve first which would make you search for a curse and attach it to yourself. Then Lynde's ability would resolve and you get to move the curse you fetched up with her ability drawing you two cards with no need to wait a turn rotation.

[@strickermic]

@@TheRensvind that's right, you can order the triggers of lynde and curse of misfortune, so each of YOUR upkeep, you're gonna search for a curse, then give it to a player. But, if i understood correctly what lev was saying, no you can't give the curse to prevent the negatve effect to hurt you. both "upkeep" will trigger, you can give the curse first, but the curse trigger will still happen on you. does it answer your questions?

[@alexsy3545]

For Slogurk, other than fetch lands, you could use cycling lands to pump it up instantly, then you could always get those lands back when he leaves the battlefield

[@tobmind5788]

I've just realized something crazy i think you can do with Lisa the forgotten archangel. Lisa+Embalm. Sac a creature with embalm on your turn for value, the creature gets marked to return to your hand on your end step, once it hits your graveyard embalm it for a token copy sending the marked card into exile. When your end step hits the card moves from exile back into your hand! Would work with any "exile from your graveyard for value" creatures or abilities aswell.

[@vaporeon344]

Sigarda reminds me a lot of Winota, Joiner of Forces from Ikoria. I think that Winota is a little bit stronger, because it directly cheats the humans into play, but I’m interested to see sigarda in action.

[@mjjdj88]

The OG’s are back!!! This set is 🔥🔥🔥

[@tm_mtg]

One synergy that I like with clues is Fleeting Memories and Tamiyo's Journal. With Dennick you sacrifice clues to tutor with the journal, which causes you to mill someone to potentially mill a creature and make more clues!

[@wrayfinlay8104]

Florian would great in a Prosper, Tome bound deck, or vice versa

[@gracefulhuntress9868]

With lynde, say you have “at the beginning of your upkeep, X happens” couldnt you just stack the triggers so lyndes goes off first, and then youre no longer the “enchanted player”?

[@kriscrossman9402]

I'm most excited for Tovolar because I've been interested in trying werewolves, and Lynde just because I've always liked grixis and always was drawn to curses. but mostly Liesa to mess with my playgroup

[@darkangel0275]

Absolutely love these videos, awesome job guys.

[@darylroetz9053]

It's great to hear the songs again

[@alexeilassistant]

For Lynde this is definitely a deck where you'd benefit from playing paradox haze and the sphinx with the extra beginning step.

[@Chris-qq2cu]

this set is so amazing but i think what i am most excited for is to see how you all show Day and Night in the next GK! I feel like your team will blow our minds

[@derekhammond6025]

Really looking forward toward the curse commander!

[@JDCreviston]

I am very excited about building a Lynde-Curses deck. Also there was another Liesa Angel and everyone I know pronounces her name Lie-sa. Hope that helps.

[@RazgrizAce67]

Flash in the werewolf deck is awesome so Vedalken Orrery, etc. But also cards like Aluren and Vernal Equinox are interesting because they incentive opponents to not play on their own turn which works well with the new day/night mechanic.

[@st0rts11D4]

I enjoy the singing at the beginning, its part of the game knights package

[@Mich3linM4n]

I think the key to making Vadruk (and Mizzix) interesting to play over a long period of time is to keep your win conditions fun and diverse. If you just win with the same 2-3 combos every time like Josh & Jimmy were talking about you'll probably get burned out like they did. But if you build it so that your win cons have high variance, that burn out is less likely to happen.

[@flamingwaffle55]

ive missed the singing :)

[@daltonmiller1569]

My wife and I are super exited for this set and the commander decks that are comming with it

[@xaviesposito2485]

Great video as always!! Keep the hard work!

[@captianbacon]

I'm so excited to turn my oathbreaker deck into a edh deck with tolvor. And mizzix 2 electric bugaloo seems fun

[@ProphetofEndTimes]

Not very excited over the set but I always love the reviews. They help me anticipate the play patterns of what my opponents bring to the table

[@Speetlebeetle]

Keep in mind that copying a spell with storm will only give you one copy because the storm ability triggers on vast of the spell with storm. So remanding the spell would work

[@vincentferrer1495]

SO GOOD TO HEAR YALL SINGING AGAIN

[@dragonight1181]

Wait does the night time mechanic affect the my little pony card princes moon. She specifically talks about nighttime

[@dragonight1181]

If so that would be kinda funny actually

[@codyarrington7693]

Spitting Image is really good in Slogurk not only to Retrace to grow him. It can also be used to copy him, and then sac the cloned copy, triggering his ability to get the discarded lands back from Retrace to keep the cycle going. He's really powerful. As all Simic "lands matters" legends are haha.

[@andrewpayseur]

It's episode 420 guys. You know what that means.... ...it means I missed 419 and I gotta watch it too.

[@karlwebb4799]

Re: Dauthi Voidwalker + Liesa A permanent or player affected by multiple replacement effects is resolved in the order of that player or permanent's owner. An opponent will likely choose to apply Liesa's ability rather than Dauthi Voidwalker if both in play.

[@daneburke6592]

I was looking for a comment on this. This is true. the owner of the permanent gets to choose which replacement effect to use when there are multiple.

[@daneburke6592]

Signed up for patreon! thanks for the great content guys!

[@mitchelmcgreevy7650]

Tech for your Lynde Curse decks, Despotic Scepter. Similar to Claws of Gix

[@brcienpartin5462]

Wasn't this episode but testing a casual Lenoire autumn flavor and it is better than I expected

[@ShadowWalker-ng1it]

about Dennick it says creature cards because if it said creatures milling creature or discard wouldn't trigger his ability (on the flip side)

[@gothic22d]

I have missed the singing, and what a great choice for the song.

[@DarthSnugglePuss]

When the singing started and it was Jimmy and Josh together, I regained my happiness.

[@Philemando]

Great to see Jimmy and Josh hosting a show again :) You two are the face of the show, and are the ones who originally drew me in to the show.

[@austinsmith3043]

I was actually thinking about Kenrith Humans and now there are some more solid tools for it😍

[@timtharp6262]

By far the best intro I've ever seen on a KZbin video.

[@sheriffjack8500]

Another theme fitting song for opening would be "Werewolves of London" for innistrad

[@DKMonsieur]

Definitely the most excited for Rem Karolus. Just built a Knight tribal go wide deck with him, going aggro and wiping out your opponent's defenders with Earthquake seems really fun

[@rylzey5913]

I wanted to build Boros burn deck and it felt bad having only Firesong and sun speaker as a good commander for it (because Boros goes equip swing rinse repeat when I was looking at them) and I still haven’t built it now I think I am going to I’m glad

[@mta00wjo]

Unfortunately Liesa doesn't work that way with Dauthi Voidwalker I think. Both are replacement effects at the same "layer" and it is the object's controller that gets to decide what order to apply them in.

[@PierceFC9]

The easter egg of the poppet in Lynde's art is the guy from all the curse cards

[@autofigure00]

Mark rosewater on his Blogatog did say if there is enough demand they may erratta the old werewolves with daybound / nightbound.

[@jasondeutschbein8102]

I wish they'd make a new Secret Lair walking dead that has the Ikoria treatment in reverse. I'd play Rick if he was actually some in-universe magic character. Also, hey Slogurk isn't a "put land into play and draw a card" commander in Simic.

[@connorhewison6397]

I mean with heartless hidetsugu you could throw Chainer, Nightmare Adept in? Pitch heartless to chainer, cast heartless with haste using chainer, so even if they have removal you're either dealing half their life totals or dealing half their lives and looking at 60-ish cards

[@erikohman2294]

Great to see the dynamic duo back together again.

[@cas126]

So much daytime and nighttime was said that i remembered that crane video

[@birkkrabbedewaal8583]

I think about the night-day mechanic, a lot of politics are gonna be used in it. If you for fx are playing a werewolf deck, you might make a deal with the person before you to not cast spells, therefore it becomes night on your turn.

[@gabriellecureux5528]

I saw Denic and I'm like that looks good in safaris

[@atlasrises4]

1:28:51 the card that should actually just be Odric... Too bad they didn't have the foresight to just do that originally

[@humanhighliter4087]

THE HARMONIES AND DISSONCENCES!!! So good

[@junmtginsanity4040]

I hope that their will another werewolf commander at the next set. Having 2 to 3 werewolf commander can expand the brewing.

[@JediMB]

As I recall, both Ulrich and Tovolar are firmly antagonist characters, so it would be nice to get another commander candidate more like Arlinn. (Or just an Arlinn card that can be played as your commander through either rules text or transformation shenanigans.)

[@bleachisback]

About curse of misfortunes with Lynde: Since Lynde's second ability doesn't target a curse, you could stack it in such a way where you first tutor for a curse attached to yourself, and then instantly give it away to someone else and draw 2 cards.

[@darksora763]

Yay! It's Josh AND Jimmy! Together!

[@SuiSanoo]

First set in a while where Im not excited for any of the new legendaries, at least in paper, might try the werewolf on mgto, but thats it

[@capreus1983]

Man, seems like forever that they were doing an episode together; dream team, literally they are the two that set my whole nervous system at such a calm level.

[@SuperCred1t]

Three new commanders I wanna build from here. Good stuff

[@mkill572]

The funny thing about Rem Karolus is that nobody mentioned Tajic, Legion’s Edge which already sort of does the same thing. Pretty sure Rem won’t hit more than 134 decks either

[@Wolfen5207]

Well, one thing they don’t mention is that Rem doesn’t protect himself, just all of your other creatures. So Blasphemous act which they mentioned would kill him.

[@timtanner9469]

"What is the E doing!?" It's doing it's best Josh. It's doing it's best

[@pietrociompi5883]

For the "to the listeners" section: I can't believe you didn't mention Pull from Tomorrow as an X-draw spell, since it's the best one with only 2 blue peeps

[@mclark347]

"Dennick's front side doesn't actually stop many things" *stops most of the cards you're trying to put in the deck*

[@Alty732]

Right?!?! They kept recommending cards and it's like they didn't even read the Commander.

[@origaming_plays573]

What? no it doesn't, you need the words "target in graveyard" for Dennick to actually stop it, if it's all cards in graveyards or doesn't need a target or just a cast something from your graveyard, it works.

[@mamoswineage1881]

I think dennick would be amazing in the 99 for the Sefris deck from D&D AFR

[@CrazyRampage]

This set looks great!

[@DotActionHank]

Finally an episode with both Josh and Jimmy again!

[@djryat4591]

Im super excited for Old Stickfingers, i love golgari horrors. You could totally just make it with mike n trike combo as your only creatures in the deck and the rest ramp /card draw/removal/ and reanimator spells but like they said that would get boring really fast. Im thinking maybe super ramp to throw a ton of creatures in the gy and living death, win more is always more fun than win fast imo. Either way I cant wait to see some of the stuff people brew with him. I might actually finally make a boros deck, earthquake tribal sounds pretty sweet and I have a foil 7th ed earthquake just sitting around.

[@Russian_engineer_bmstu]

Did Josh build a dragons approach Florian deck? That would be co cool Like Cast 1 approach, dig another

[@Russian_engineer_bmstu]

Jimmy said that ONE card Which hardly describes the deck Unless it is apostles, aproach, rats or dickmen

[@TheMegaMagikarp]

I knew the David Draiman joke would come up somewhere (Disturbed lead singer)

[@FasrielynGaming]

Tovolar is going to be a massively strong extra combat commander.

[@MatejMoravek]

Two rules details: 1) Dennick will NOT trigger of tokens as those are not cards and will NOT trigger in case of boardwipe that also destroys Dennick (because his ability is "put into GY from *anywhere*" which is not listed as ability that can "look back in time" to see what was on the BF). 2) Liesa and Dauthi Voidwalker - both are replacement effects. Which means that *the affected player or controller of the affected object" decides in which order they will be applied. So any sane opponent will just first use Liesa's replacement and then DV, which will have nothing to exile.

[@ry7hym]

I really want to see more of Temporal Extortion and other life bidding cards

[@NoneExon]

I am really excited about Liesa, this looks really amazing! From a german perspective, it is just Lisa, but with a long i .. so the ie just makes the i a lil bit longer. Maybe that helps in the how to pronounce it discussion :)