Mike Israetel’s Thoughts on the Jeff Nippard Assault

[@LeoJGym]

Never give Dr Mike a crowbar.

[@inkarn8915]

That's literally the only thing I took away from the video.

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

We all have those fantasies.

[@LeoJGym]

@@chrisvanbuggenum871 Who is WE?!

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

@@LeoJGym by We i mean you ya psycho lol

[@senorpepper3405]

​@LeoJGym oh come on now Leo. You know all about it. 😉

[@marcusjanssonn]

"You're just a big dude, you got a lot of feelings, you're on a lot of gear, but thinking is just not your kind of forté" LOL

[@OriginalMindTrick]

That was from the heart.

[@bradyvilhauer4445]

HAHA I loved this part. “Just do your big monkey arm curls and leave the thinking to someone else” or whatever 😂

[@Theohybrid]

7:40 -7:48

[@VeteranVandal]

And gear actively makes you have a harder time thinking too.

[@BigUriel]

The guy has definitely been hitting the tren way too hard, came across as such a dumb meathead stereotype.

[@xXESproductionsXx]

Imagine shitting on science guys while benefiting from steroids developed by science guys.

[@aumadityadhawan]

Underrated comment, just stay clear of Mike

[@afrog2666]

ooga booga me muscle big

[@The-Gate-House-Grognard]

​@@aumadityadhawani dunno, Mike seems fun.

[@AntasenaAntareja]

This should be pinned

[@MickVegas]

Are we talking about RFK, Jr. now?

[@powderedwaterpudding]

"unless it's an imminent call to violence it's unethical to assault someone for what they say" -- spot on

[@Solidfreeman01]

Ethics is a form of morality, which is supported by the largest parts of community. The communities vary vastly around the world. In the most parts of the world and also in those parts which have the biggest populations, ethics say, that much less than an imminent call to violence can be a reason for assault. Those are very western- liberal MORAL values, he talks about. Not even in the US everyone thinks like that about what is morally correct. Not by far. This is pretty much his individual stance without the support of ethics.

[@annag.4952]

9:21

[@dmizzle73]

​@@Solidfreeman01good points in the first paragraph but ethics is a branch of philosophy and separate from morality. Morality is cultural and reflects needs or ideals of society. Some branches of ethics (eg. utilitarianism) hold a principle of 'least harm /greatest good' therefore it would be correct to say it is unethical to harm someone unless they present a credible threat to you. The quote goes further and gives a condition of imminence. Morally, most societies have already concluded that verbal arguements do not justify physical assaults. There are exceptions as you mentioned, honour-based systems came to mind but they're pretty rare and generally on the decline. It's just not a recipe for a stable society.

[@devildog621]

​@@Solidfreeman01 the conclusion that assaulting someone you have a petty disagreement with is unethical is not a western LIBERAL moral value.

[@nathang4570]

Also, ultimately the Liberal ideal requires people be ready to employ violence at a moments notice in order for it to survive when physically attack by none liberal people. But most liberals refuse to be capable of violence claiming it to be "uncivilised" and defer that violence to the state and then complain the state is now illiberal as it employs violence. Liberals fall over themselves constantly and wonder why people think they are dumb.

[@JeffUpdike1992]

My grandpa told me once “a moment of patience in a moment of anger will spare you a lifetime of heartache” and I live by that.

[@TheAngryMarshmallow]

Wise words by a wise man

[@LS-fd6tl]

That is an amazing quote!!!

[@slydddd1749]

What a fucking bar !!! Dope as hell

[@JeffUpdike1992]

To be fair I think this is a Buddhist thing or quote, but he was a well read man.

[@dkel4341]

Saving that one to the permanent memory bank, what a quote. I can think of so many scenarios where this is applicable in my life and the people around me.

[@tallmex7183]

I'm 6'3 and wished my muscles looked half as good as Jeff. Dude is incredible

[@SignificantWines]

much harder to be 6.3 and built like a much shorter guy.....

[@johnwest6083]

You could try steroids like Jeff uses.

[@TheBludgeoningEffect]

Its always hilarious when people who built their physiques on pharmacology try to discredit science

[@whowouldwininafight3152]

But pharmacology is science 😊

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@whowouldwininafight3152 you both got it and didn't get it at the same time, congratulations 🤝

[@excalibro8365]

@@whowouldwininafight3152 that's the point genius

[@whowouldwininafight3152]

@@theKashConnoisseur you're not very good understanding subtle sarcasm. I even put in the emoji to help you along.

[@j0rbo]

@@whowouldwininafight3152 unfortunately it doesnt come across that way on first glance. Either "yOu DO iT LikE tHiS" or you put a "/s". Hope this helps

[@TheAdatto]

Critisizing a natural guy that is really reaching his natural peak that he doesn't really grow anymore while your own gains are 90% steroids is just stupid

[@grgadgo1307]

Especially when the natty has more results AND a pro card.

[@himeshsinghshishodiya]

90%? More like 99%.

[@abelvelasquez1427]

Natural peak is a myth. One never stops growing

[@TheAdatto]

@abelvelasquez1427 it's get exponentially harder to a point it's your practical limit. You think Jeff can pack 5 lbs more muscle on that frame naturally? Lol

[@jeanpitre5789]

​@TheAdatto he COULD but it would be at the cost of a higher percentage body fat which wouldn't compete well

[@DrthCola]

Love how Mike keeps it so real. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." ~Niccolò Machiavelli.

[@The-Golden-Oak]

My dad is Russian, he specifically told me "Never start trouble with people. You might get away with it for a while, most people will back down, or fight back, and it may turn out how it will. But there's always that 1 person out of 10, that will see no problem in killing you, that don't abide by social limits. Yeah, you might never meet them, but don't take that chance, don't start trouble with people." I feel this echoes essentially what Dr. Mike said at the end here.

[@fettel1988]

Also you just don't know who people know. The yakuza, the mafia, etc aren't gone. So you should probably think twice about trying to step up on ANYBODY.

[@BaconManBruh]

@@fettel1988 There's always a tell though for the perceptive types. Someone who carries themselves well like you can see it how they walk or someone that's actually very dismissive like you talk to them and just answer the question and moves on like there's this big billboard on top of their forehead saying im busy let me work please so on but for me a personal thing i always get right is the eyes like how they look at you like they already sized you up at a glance now those are the unpredictable types coz usually awkward people look at you by reflex they look away but those guys that sizes you up makes eye contact and never breaks i'm wary of those types coz by experience they can do anything from normal to nutty.

[@Skenderbeuismyhero]

Очень мудрый ваш отец.

[@l______l6035]

​@@jmgonzales7701what does that have to do with it

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@l______l6035 just making the same analogy he did

[@BMO_Creative]

Jeff is WAY smaller a guy BUT WAY bigger a MAN.

Haha lmo no

[@mac5917]

@pr0g_Wsmaller also wtf bro😂 he is like 100lbs lighter

[@azovandy14.88]

If Jeff was such a big man he wouldn’t be pressing charges for such a silly “attack.”

[@515Matteo]

​@@azovandy14.88 He at least doesn't attack people

[@RussellDeacon]

@@azovandy14.88 disagree letting tehcourts deal with it also avoids chaos of vigilantes. if he doesnt do anything van wick might keep doing it.

[@PhantomSavage]

10:40 This is incredible similar to something my dad told a tough guy at work to chill out. In the 80's my dad helped manage a night club, and he eventually started having problems with one of the bouncers getting a little too aggressive with some of the more surly costumers. It got to a point he was practically starting fights instead of stopping them, and that's when he had to take him aside and give him a talking to. My dad politely reminded him to be a bit more gentle and a bit less abrasive with the problem customers, that he needed to be careful about pissing off the wrong people or getting into fights because you never know who you're dealing with and the club doesn't want any trouble. The guy initially responded in a typical macho, gym bro kind of way, basically doubling down on his ability to handle just about anybody. My father disagreed. When push came to shove and the guy basically asked "oh yeah, what would you do?" my dad told him straight up "I'd wait for you to go to the shitter, then while your ass was on the can I'd kick the door in and blast you with a shotgun." Few beats of silence went by, guy turned white. ".. never thought of that.." Needless to say, he started being a little more cordial in his duties as a bouncer, and he cleaned his attitude up.

[@demonsluger]

That is how a badass does it the bouncer was just a stupid bullie

[@rickstark85]

Ain't nobody reading that book, bro. It's a KZbin comment section. Relax.

[@PacksSacks]

Sick dad lore drop

[@mrileeks]

Lmao so beating violence with violence

[@____K_____989]

@@rickstark85I read the post in its entirety. Pretty cool story.

[@billylocke9633]

I really appreciate Mike’s take at the end. No one holds a monopoly on violence. You can be bigger, strong and faster and train most days of the week… won’t matter if you take a bat to the head. Fighting is a technical skill… violence is the expression of rage. They are not the same thing.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

The government typically holds a monopoly on violence, which is why even the postal inspectors have machine guns.

[@goody4715]

What you said at the end hit me hard. Combat experience is a great tool to have, but if your opponent is crazy in the head and just wants to kill you, that's scary no matter how you view it.

[@fuckoff5893]

Technical fighting and raging chimp outs are both violence. Violence is just the use of force to harm a person. It’s a neutral concept. It’s not bad or good, you give it meaning through method and context.

[@SonsOfDeForest]

if the grapes are wrath, then the wine is blood

[@Luka23567]

Can tell in the video Mike was raging and looking for ANY reason to attack Jeff. Once Jeff moved in to ask what he meant by “things are about to get real funny” Mike immediately moved in for the kill… Rage and deep hatred were at play for Mike

[@eoinbourke6577]

Mike has been training for decades to ensure he has no neck to attack! You guys are great together as always.

[@Rockardo_]

😭

[@MrSinister718]

You'd think he's know Van Wyck has a pro card and he's just some Drake Bodyguard.

[@vuhuy1258]

bros in BJJ as well damn

[@devlosirrus]

"Reach for my neck, you'll come up empty-handed" --Dr. Mike

[@carlandersson7870]

Lol 😂

[@LittleRedRidingPole]

I have been down the google and KZbin rabbit hole, because I am trying to get back into shape after losing my brother and basically quitting life. I have been drawn to Jeff and Mike. I really appreciate what they offer. This situation is nuts. I hate that this happened. The way that Jeff has responded, and Mike's commentary here give me hope for humanity (and the fitness community).

[@alex7543]

i am so sorry. sending you love and good vibes 🩵❤️

[@The_real_reaperwolf]

Good luck with your fitness journey 🫂

[@LittleRedRidingPole]

Thanks y’all! 💙

[@inferno7289]

it gives me hope for men

[@anderslundgren9850]

What bullies often don’t realize is that by attacking or humiliating others, they are playing a dangerous game where they don’t know the rules, because the other person sets them. The bully might think they have control, but they’re essentially rolling the dice, hoping they don’t hit someone with the capacity for extreme or unpredictable violence

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

This is exactly it

[@nathanclaspell6003]

There are tons of very dangerous yet well-mannered men in the world. By the time you find out just how dangerous they are, it's too late.

[@CarlYota]

In other words, baby I’m a gangsta too?

[@full-timepog6844]

Someones always crazier and tougher ​@@CarlYota

[@jamesmontalvo5026]

Yeah you never know just by looking at somebody what they are capable of. Also in my experience I’ve had a lot of friends that were too polite or to nice to stand up for themselves. They didn’t have to. You would turn around and realize the real threat was just chilling and waiting for somebody to mess with his boy.

[@pokinacha]

Science based lifters: Turning what was basically assault into a philosophical discussion.

[@novellanightmares]

These discussions are getting ridiculous. The word salad people use to try and "understand" mikes position. It was assault, even battery. A crime.

[@kwerby3285]

@@novellanightmaresthe word salad is basically just low frequency people who don’t understand the implications of what they’re promoting

[@Brutal_Warlord]

Yeah what a bunch of f***s am I right?

[@TheRedHaze3]

@@novellanightmares You mean Mike Van Wyck, right? Not Dr. Mike?

[@mikehunt5106]

@@TheRedHaze3yeah surely he does. No one in this video is remotely debating that what van wyck did was ok. They basically were pointing out how ridiculous it would be to actually do that

[@RicardoSilva-hk2er]

6:30 LOL he is not 6'5. His reported stats is that he is 6'0 but since he refuse to get measure by Erik Kanevski, he might be 5'11 or even 5'10.

[@Space_interesting73]

Too much for that egoistic fragile bastard, 5'9

[@LewisCampbellTech]

I measured myself as 5'11 the other day. So does this mean I am 6'5? AWESOME.

[@youngnox2]

I completely agree with Dr. Mike. Just imagine a world where everyone behaved like Mike Van Wyke, resorting to violence whenever they disagreed with someone. It would be utter chaos-a world that none of us would want to live in.

[@bb_garri]

I don't have to imagine it really, I live in America lol. It's pretty much already like that.

[@wondering141]

There’s entire culture’s of people that do that and it’s somewhat socially acceptable

[@PoppyJr11]

@@bb_garri where at in America? 🤨

[@mac5917]

@@wondering141and those cultures are all shit😂

[@Hyphen_1781]

Literally the Samoans, Tongans & Maori they literally resort to violence on disagreements I know coz I'm Maori and seen it first hand.

[@PureBullFit]

This is the kind of response I wanted to hear. Not half measures, not talk about redemption. Thank you gentlemen.

[@guitargod3545]

I swear anybody saying that f AF o stuff does not have brain cells like Chris Beast mode Jones I get he has his opinions I still like the guy I just think that he lacks the necessary forethought and is relating this too much to his own life to realize that this just isn't the way things happen in a normal society and maybe he wasn't brought up that way I don't know it's nothing against him again I like the guy I just think that opinion is a terrible for everybody like imagine your kids going through this because they're smaller than other people that's not right bro

[@darknessandlife777]

​@@guitargod3545The only people spouting that bullshit are insecure beta males who have never been in a fight in their lives. They think it makes them look hard, instead it makes them look like they need to go get their estrogen tested.

[@GardenGuy1942]

Jeff was asking for it

[@GardenGuy1942]

@@guitargod3545I bet you can’t even play guitar, bot.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@GardenGuy1942 The ragebait is too obvious bro. Dial it back one notch and you'll get more bites.

[@NateBostian]

9:55 Immanuel Kant got on gear and dropped deontological ethics for gym bros.

[@damdaley8092]

Cate-gear-ical imperative

[@ericcomstock2249]

This is the most cultured comment I've ever seen on a fitness video.

[@xierus]

I thought it sounded more Descartes?

[@MaxRideout]

This comment is so funny that my laughter is making it hard to type. 😂

[@johnmuselmann7886]

Me in the gym working my hegels

[@easymoney480]

That Van Woke dude cowered when pressed by a guy his height and slightly skinnier at the Mr Olympia thing, but had no problem sucker punching Jeff. That’s all you need to know about him

[@canevas1017]

He wasn’t acting tough next to a jacked 5’7 guy either

[@thebeardedYETI]

had to watch that clip again last night. hilarioius! the dude made him look pathetic for a washed up bodyguard lol

[@roflstalker]

Even if he only ever attacked guys bigger than himself, using violence because of a verbal dispute would still be wrong.

[@SamStately]

@@canevas1017 TBH he wouldn't have acted tough with Jeff Nippard either if Jeff was known to get physical. He literally just picked a guy who he knows won't fight back.

[@mariecher]

Standard for bullies. People who always try to bring down someone else to make themselves feel higher in the hierarchy are generally more aware of this hierarchy, because it's important to them. So when they encounter people who are higher than them in this perceived hierarchy, they're way less likely to challenge them, than people who don't feel that hierarchy is important at all. This awareness of hierarchy is more noticeable in animals than people, and in school boys than adults. So I think it could often be a sign of lower intelligence and lower abilities to interact socially

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

I feel like you said "right" a little too quick after Mike said he's done really poorly at bodybuilding at 2:09.

[@nsimaInyang]

Hahahahahahhahhahah😂

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

@@nsimaInyang I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught it lol. I was like hold up, I think Mike wanted a nervous chuckle or "nah that's crazy" instead of a dead serious "right".

[@vlada]

Zazh knows it was because of the tan...

[@kyle5778]

I think he was agreeing with the entirety of his comment, but yeah it was a bit "off".

[@saudibonesawexpert8937]

lmfaoooo

[@XxWANTEDxX88]

Social media has made ppl way too comfortable in disrespecting or assaulting ppl without paying the consequences.

[@doom1509]

Nuisance streamers want your location XD

[@AdamJBell]

Did you even watch Jeff's video response before this altercation happened? He barely even borderline disrespected Mike. You and Mike sound like the type of people to let every little thing go their head 💀 like it was a social media video, and that's gonna trigger you to assault someone, wild

[@jordanalbareed]

​@@AdamJBell I think you misunderstood him. I think he's rewording the mike Tyson quote to call out this mike. He's saying people are way to used to assaulting others and not expecting to go to prison or face a lawsuit

[@logansinclair7488]

You're saying this but you would probably get bitched by anyone even slightly threatening irl. Anyone who acts like physical violence over words is normal is a pussy.

[@afonsossl1941]

You missed the point

[@jadoncochrane9998]

There's something poetic about bleeping Mike with "Turk!" 😂😂😂

[@harryv6752]

😆😆😆

[@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude]

its was TURKIN so fTUEKen anoing the turk out the mother turker turkers alot in the turking hole

[@saure22]

Spot on mate

[@Alienspecies635]

craig dookette rubbing his hands together smiling harder than last time

[@kazaiza6405]

😂😂😂

[@acleus]

I'm pretty much 100% there on Dr. Mike's philosophy of "If this is how the whole society treats things, how would the world we live in look?" It's succinct, it is clear and it allows you to think and consider any possible consequences through imagination and critical thinking. "Where is the line?" "Who decides the line?" "If we operate this way, how long could these boundaries actually stand up and what happens when someone crosses the line?"

[@Naatti922]

It's however total historical fantasy bs that all ameridiots are spoonfed and belive. USA is and has been for the past 100years a violent nation that has projected it's power overseas by force and violence to further their own geopolitical standing. Just like Russia and China and all other empires in history. "They had it coming" is a really dumb thing to say about any USA war-campaigs after the second world war. "We needed their resources and were willing to kill them and brainwash our own population to do so" would be much closer to the truth.

[@squiddesauce9589]

Very similar to Kantian ethics

[@shane_rm1025]

Unfortunately lots of people are like Mike Van Wyck (here after "Bad Mike") where they can't see further than their nose and can't think more complex thoughts than "me strong, you short"

[@SeuOu]

@@squiddesauce9589 Ugh, Kant.

[@Madchris8828]

This is why I really like Dr. Mike he has a very deep pool of a mind and has multiple layers to his thinking. Dude is a pillar of bodybuilding in my opinion for what he offers.

[@SoullessPolack]

On board with everything these guys said. Except the 9/11 stuff. Clearly Mike is not a student of this history. Iraq was not involved in 9/11. We went to Iraq under a false premise of WMDs. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians died. That's not okay, even if some of our civilians were killed on the initial attack on us. The last thing you want to do is inflict further huge civilian loss when plenty of civilians have already died. Military combatants are fair game, but that's not all we killed.

[@Paroex]

I get the impression that the US might be one of the few countries in the world where it's not explicitly taught in school that the invasion of Iraq was made under false pretenses and widely considered a war crime on a very large scale.

[@ninjadudeofficial]

But think about the poor oil companies that were unable to exploit their resources

[@Jefferson-ly5qe]

Not to mention that after 20 years (!) of combat in Afghanistan, the Taliban picked up just where they left off anyway.

[@demonsluger]

Its because he wanna deflect from Dimona

[@LostScarf]

That adds to it, with enough violence, other people get pulled into it.

[@hahahehe3435]

7:30 this is how i feel about 99% of the fitness influencers. People who take gear to the point where they've significantly shortened their lifespans that are giving training advice, but the whole point of them giving training advice is to feel better about themselves, not genuine training advice at all.

[@BronzedBeast]

Worst part is from what I seen Mike is a parrot. No original thought in his head. Can't truly blame him. Everything has already been said by someone. He shouldn't be acting like a fitness guru though since he knows so little in comparison to others. He can mimic what he's heard but he couldn't explain the benefits on his own

[@ogiebear8484]

@@BronzedBeast😂😂😂 what?

[@SubwaytoSally111]

Its kinda obvious why he only went physical with Jeff so far and no one else. Like Dr. Mike said, if he tries it with the wrong people he will actually get jumped in a parking lot one day. That guy really needs to get some help for his mental health and self control.

[@kc12394]

Yup. When Joey Stax was telling Mike to stop saying he's going to do stuff to their families cause he knows people who've done time, Mike literally was about to cry and immediately apologized.

[@TheAngryMarshmallow]

​@@kc12394wait, what?!

[@garak55]

Definitely. As a general rule of thumb, you don't want to start shit with people who've had a legitimately hard life.

[@someonethirsty1957]

I’m glad someone is mentioning his mental health. It is bad and he has some issues to recover from to be doing stuff like this. Total lack of self control, gear or not, and needs to recover from what has happened to him.

[@wendyDarling26]

@@someonethirsty1957 but it's not lack of self control, is it? He is not saying these things and picking fights with anyone, he only goes for people he believes will not fight back. Which is what abusers do. If he truly lacked self control, he would start beef with anyone, regardless of size or potential problems.

[@andytruss1259]

11:10 Uh Mike, no actually the over 1M Iraqi civillians we killed did not have it coming. WTF?

[@thepants1450]

yeah mike is an idiot when it comes to politics

[@dollarstorebarrontrump1141]

Minor point, it’s less than 1/5th of what you said.

[@TheArrowedKnee]

@@dollarstorebarrontrump1141 The numbers are highly disputed but it's kinda besides the point. Iraq had literally 0 to do with 9/11. If the US really wanted to hit the guys responsible, they would have went for Saudi Arabia, but we all know that would never happen.

[@MrBazBake]

​@@dollarstorebarrontrump1141 It was 200,000 in 2006 according to the Iraqi Family Health Survey, which contests the ORB/Lancet studies of 950,000 by 2006. But US forces began drawing down their Iraqi presence in 2020, not 2006, and 2006 actually saw a rapid increase in US military presence and fighting, not a decrease. Basically, you're forgetting 85% of the Iraq War.

[@odibua9107]

​@@dollarstorebarrontrump1141Only if you look at US sources which are absolutely unreliable.

[@kurtringwalt3371]

Basically speech is legally protected, assault isnt

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

I wish speech was legal. Unfortunately it is not. Try to yell "Fire" in a movie theater. Try to yell "Bomb" on a plane. Try to yell "Nigxxx" at a BLM event. There are literally thousands of words that the internet blocks. Hundreds of words that can get you arrested......

[@theKashConnoisseur]

Throw words not hands.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

@@kurtringwalt3371 wish this was true. Unfortunately there are thousands of words the internet doesn't allow. There are hundreds of words that can get us arrested in the USA.

[@RickMyBalls]

@@DrAJ_LatinAmerica blumpkin

[@hasheeshiann]

@@DrAJ_LatinAmerica Umm false?..lol Can you give me like one or two?

[@noosphericaltarzan]

Even setting aside him being in the wrong for the assault, sucker punching somebody in the throat to start a fight is peak cowardice. The guy was twice the size of his victim and yet he felt the need to use a potentially fatal sucker shot? I am surprised the gym waffled about booting him out of there.

[@BronzedBeast]

He was probably bawling saying it was self defense and Mr. Nipples had a weight in his hand or something haha. After concluding that wasn't the case they terminated his account

[@Ryanre-imagined-xe1vr]

"Thinking about things, that's not your forte." I'm dying. Thank you.

[@kingofthenoobs]

Even if we ignore historical context, the 9/11 analogy isn't great because the million or so dead Iraqis and Afghanis had nothing to do with 9/11. I think his main point stands, just a bad comparison.

[@dallysinghson5569]

Most of those deaths were basically them killing each other over ideological reasons :S These guys were just waiting for an opportunity to take each other out which is insane.

[@simdal3088]

Millions you mean, just the depleted uranium dumped there is killing a million.

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

A better historical example would be ww2. The axis ended up bombed far worse.

[@utkarsh2746]

@@dallysinghson5569 Which makes america's response some less insane? Dropping depleted Uranium shells on Iraq and Afghanistan, neither of which were SA, the country that actively planned the event and recently killed a US journalist, was any less insane, Mr. Singh? Or is your argument that it was okay to kill people who would have killed each other anyways, the same "savage" argument that is often used against your people, Dally Singh?

[@davidzubkis7260]

I think something is being lost here because they're having a casual conversation. He's not saying that "they had it coming" as a statement of fact or personal belief as to liability, he's speaking in the voice of the anger-blinded, wounded USA who is lashing out in the general direction of what/where it perceives to be the source of the threat. Mike is making the point that violence is terrible response. The fact that millions of innocent people who had nothing to do with the initial attack suffered greatly when the U.S. retaliated only underscores Mike's point that violence is a terrible response.

[@guerrarsenal]

The Super Mario music behind the ad read is genius. I happily listened to the whole ad

[@abigor315]

Wait till Nintendo hears about this! :D

[@andrekotz7803]

me too, very effective.

[@paulchavez3039]

It's so dumb that people are treating being an influencer like it's a competition.

[@theprodigalson4003]

0:25 don’t know the context but I agree with the sentiment

[@JB-afc71]

😂😂

[@Tryc3]

Dr Mike is so well spoken, I love it.

[@Henysipper]

The editor earned their money with this video.

[@leonkennedy9739]

I bet if little Mike van wyk shoved Dr.Mike like that he wouldn't be walking away pretending to be a big man when he hit someone with a cheap shot.

[@LatimusChadimus]

Well, like they say, bullies go after people that they know they can beat which having 9 inches and about 110 lb on a guy can make it that much easier

[@toomanyblocks8448]

Jeff is a short dude, but Dr. Mike is a short dude who can choke you out

[@treasurethetime2463]

As i shared: those 5 and 10 lb plates have other uses than adding a few pounds to a bar. The gym is the last place i would shove, choke or hit someone and walk away. I can assure you as a bigger guy, unlike in the movies, being bigger doesn't allow you take take a blunt object to the dome. 130lbs or 340lbs, you are going down.

[@veryrandomperson5739]

Dr Mike is one scary mf! You can tell he can fuck someone up, he wouldnt try, with no bjj experience, he's a sitting duck

[@Motorata661]

@@treasurethetime2463 It is more that Dr Mike its a BJJ brown belt and actually knows how to fight

[@SpeedyMckeezy]

first 5 seconds and I'm already googling what a word means

[@andresruval]

Your comment is bereft of any substance whatsoever.

[@NorbertDz]

Same

[@alexz.8302]

Same. Wtf are thoughts?

[@timmian85]

Yeah man, i had to do research on grass fed whey protein. I am very confused by it.

[@seanlooney690]

Bro hasnt played the elden ring dlc and experienced 18 inches of Messmer

[@platitudepete8]

11:10 "toasting" hundreds of thousands of people (i.e., MASSIVE numbers of civilian men, women, and children) wasn't overkill? And in Iraq??

[@thecinimod]

No, he was condemning that. He said "I'm the opposite of endorsing that" directly after

[@titusjames4912]

11:32 he aslo says he's Russian for further context, visit Ukraine or Georgia.

[@nickknights9013]

Dr Mike full-on blasting out that Categorical Imperative to a full range of ethical consideration

[@rachelhawkins2084]

lmfao

[@acenine8149]

😂😂😂

[@drewmccu258]

Mike - "I've done really bad at bodybuilding" Zack - "Right!" 🤣

[@plwadodveeefdv]

it's true though. also van wyck got his ifbb pro card so dr. mike can't really shit talk him on that, although they both didn't do great in competition and ended up dropping out

[@drewmccu258]

@@plwadodveeefdv I think he just says "right" automatically to build rapport, in general. Dr Mike by most standards does really well especially for the genetics he was dealt

[@RonOnTheWay]

2 commercials and an ad read in 1:16 seconds.

[@mario8833]

Dr. Mike just explained why according to Thomas Hobbes we need a State with laws and why according to Kant you have to act thinking if you would like your behaviour to be performed by others too

[@juancruzlives]

and not only by others, but for everyone, everywhere, and forever

[@wincentpukar2726]

except he didn’t, he did enter the metaphysics of morals but state and hobbes are counterexamples to his explanation and he wasn’t following categorical imperative; and that’s for the better, philosophy in small doses makes people stupider.

[@hikelfin5941]

@@wincentpukar2726 You mean Astrology for men?

[@utkarsh2746]

Which is why philosophy can be used to back up jurisprudence, but it isn't fucking actual jurisprudence. Neither Kant nor Hobbes or Austin or fucking Bentham have actually contributed to any of the laws we follow today.

[@gur262]

I aced an university test about Kant. Someday I'm gonna look up if the categorical imperative really boils down to this. I heard too many neighbor with the noise meter and the binocular- style complaints online using it. Like " what if everyone Mountainbiked here? Yeah....but. They will not. Even if Many do they will not follow my exact line. So. You can go overboard with it and twist(?) it to ban many things you absolutely should be able to do.

[@Automat2]

What a lesson by Dr Mike! Thanks for posting this.

[@absolutelynot7236]

You guys are spot on, but the way it's all worded is hilarious 😂

[@donvongprachanh1484]

He should be in jail. Jeff should sue his ass and he should be banned from all gyms.

[@sagebauer1077]

He did end up getting charged with two counts of assault (since he also shoved Jeff's camera man). He could technically see up to 5 years in prison,

[@Sir_Godz]

good luck travelling to the states once he is convicted. Stuff like that really undermines financial possibilities.

[@mickwightman]

jail for a shove? um no. punishment doesn't match the crime. people do way worse and get zero jail. smh

[@BleedTheRic]

@@mickwightman Whole video about nuance and here you are reducing things to black and white 😂 "Shove" with his hands on Nippard's THROAT completely unprovoked. You can kill someone hitting them directly in the windpipe like Van Wyck did, and I'm sure he already knows that since he worked as a bodyguard

[@Li0nHearted]

@@mickwightmana shove? He was struck in the throat. He was physically assaulted because of words. He belongs in jail.

[@russellinator]

10:35 Most of the same people who are saying "fafo" about Jeff would be freaking out if he came back with a crowbar, but it's the same turk.

[@max81261]

This is so immensely entertaining to watch

Using "Turk" to censore is just hilarious

[@claytonwest2856]

I was thinking the same thing. And I bet greg is cool with it

@@claytonwest2856 he loves it

[@staticwise]

Literally laugh every time I hear it.

[@secondchannel1523]

Whats the joke i dont get it ?

[@KurtAnglesPerc]

That shit was annoying as hell

[@Mako2-1]

Regardless of all his large word usage, Israetel’s SUCH a smart guy😂. To have that level of perspective analysis while mid workout is pretty damn impressive. I usually forget im even alive between sets 😂😂

[@Kavriel]

Mid-workout, tired, roided up (I think it sort of makes of you less sharp).

[@Rockardo_]

Especially after squats lmao

[@BruceWayne-zj1kw]

“Large word usage”?

[@Phil_529]

@@BruceWayne-zj1kw Dropping them yuuuge words like bereft.

[@christiansebastian9830]

Well put together

[@backnine1542]

Zach, no offence, that “thesis” of yours could’ve been said in like 1 sentence and without the pomposity.

[@MushookieMan]

The science nerds are rubbing off on him

[@humanbean3]

that gave me second hand embarrassment. mike using the word "bereft" did as well lol

[@BruceWayne-zj1kw]

@@humanbean3You deserve to feel embarrassed for having a shitty vocabulary.

[@sanegayguy]

He probably meant Hypothesis, but totally failed at trying to sound articulated lol

[@SirSketchable]

I love how Mike just has some type of booster pad to add to every piece of equipment and I also like how he looks like dimitar savatinov when he uses that chest press machine

[@MTGandP]

I was gonna say he looks like the turtle man from Master of Disguise

[@MushookieMan]

He uses a booster seat at Shakeys

[@mikonson4091]

All I see is Doppo Orochi from Baki when I look at Mike.

[@garak55]

You know, before reading your comment my 5'5" ass was thinking "man, these little booster pads dr.mike's carrying around in the gym look comfy AF I need to get some of that". Being short is suffering.

[@Tumshiz]

You censored all the swear words, and now the video blows up. I am so glad you guys done this. Low key want nothing more than to see more people here. Thank you

[@theaquabear7]

When people are unable to discuss ideas genuinely, the whole space suffers. That extends far beyond the fitness world. Your thesis is very relevant to today's world! I hope we become a society where we can discuss ideas openly and candidly without becoming hateful when we disagree. Progress occurs through conversations like these. "Only a sith deals in absolutes"

[@Change--Eleven--11]

This is a "spilled milk" situation honestly. Dudes are backing up Mike by saying that Jeff was being disrespectful or Jeff shouldn't have chuckled or that Jeff has taken his science based lifting too far but any of those situations are just spilled milk, how tf does any of that call for physical assault 😭

[@westie430]

I like Mike. He's someone you want on your side😂 Also, Transparent Labs makes amazing products, glad you were sponsored by them😊

[@curtrolz7909]

I have a feeling that Greg Douchette will milk this video regarding the situation harder than last time.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

Greg "The Milkman" Doucette

[@Codecorrupter]

Definitely gregging his doucette as we speak

[@hernerwerzog1278]

Greg will turking love this video

[@troydefond2307]

I love mikes thought process. The patient ones are the one's u gotta watch for.

[@silverstar1266]

man this was just such a well rounded and thought out take

[@jeffreylaws5227]

Loved Mike’s speech about violence and retaliation towards the end. We don’t want to live in that world

[@user-ii7xc1ry3x]

Mario 64? Someone give that editor a raise

[@stevesorensen9648]

This has been the best response that I have heard from anyone about this incident. Very well said Dr. Mike. I'm putting your name in on the write in ballot on Nov. 4th.

[@gravy7861_]

I love this format. It's like a podcast conversation, but between sets.

[@BothellPlaysMusic]

I love the preparation DR Mike usually puts in, but this format feels so comfortable to watch. Sometimes those lectures makes me feel like I'm his kid or student who got in trouble

[@RealOnlineDating]

That's the smartest thing I have ever heard Dr. Mike say. He nailed that

[@marcinsmaga3441]

Wow, those are some deep thoughts. Very well articulated. Thank you for that interaction.

[@meepo262]

I had to check if this was on Greg’s channel with those “Turk!” Censors lmao. Can’t escape coach Greg

[@experiencinglifeisthepurpose]

Same! I thought that this was Coach Greg’s channel. 🤣

[@abumnm]

Hahahahha same here....

[@RIASSENPAI]

Gregging my doucette all over the screen 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@draunt7]

Mike lost me in his comparison to 9/11, but on everything else, he's right. We technically set the conditions for 9/11 to occur, and we disproportionately manufactured consent in a way to influence the public to overreact instead of responsibly reconsider our relationships with nations in Middle East / North Africa. This gave the cover to obscure our conquest for natural resources like oil.

[@ExperiencedNoob_]

Exactly! Even worse is that Iraq didn't even have anything to do with 9/11...

[@animaniacs538]

Still a plane was flown into two towers in New York killing thousands of people - which is fair to see as an act of war

[@greenpinapple820]

Middle-aged white guy, just let him be wrong about 9/11 most americans are. At least he said it was wrong. He said "they" (whose they? random children in the middle east?) Deserved it right after so that kinda fucks it all up but at least he's honest with his feelings.

[@Fanta_Santa]

Glad to see people calling this out. He's a fucking idiot to be making such braindead statements. Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11 and saying the civilian had it coming is disgusting. While his workout advice might be decent he's really doesn't know anything else.

[@leonrussell9607]

Its a good thing you're not in charge, supporting terrorism against your own country

[@JacobawSnow]

Dude, I am glad we got to hear this perspective from Mike.

[@purplecircle7413]

Mike is DEEP in his prep as you can tell 😂😂

[@jacobsherwood1655]

Really? I thought he was just trt now

[@DjDolHaus86]

This is after he announced his retirement from competitive body building so I think he's on relatively low doses if any

[@utkarsh2746]

@@DjDolHaus86 That repeated blinking says otherwise. With his usage levels I don't think he can really get off this stuff ever.

[@KT_P_James]

@@utkarsh2746he always does the blinking… and this was obviously within the last week which is after he has stepped away from competing.

[@DjDolHaus86]

@@utkarsh2746 the blinking thing isn't a side effect of ped usage, I know plenty of people who do it who have never lifted let alone touched steroids. It's true he'll likely be on trt for many years to keep at normal levels but anabolics aren't like crack, you don't need to ween yourself off

[@zfortyounce]

I find it weird when anyone dismisses science or math in any sport. Its really strange. Its been happening in baseball and basketball with analytics for years now and analytics are just another way to break down performance and value.

[@PXO005]

I think its more than just plain old anti-intellectualism. I read an article once that talked about how studies showed the personality traits people found most disagreeable and the “know it all” trait was high up there- which is why i think dr mike israetel has found a much larger following than other science based lifters here on KZbin (not that any of that disagreeableness justifies physical violence) Dr mike, especially on podcasts with other influencers always answer questions in an open fashion, always open to new ideas about training- and not completely shitting on the old way of doing things, and adopting more anecdotes(lets face it, exercise science is not really among the forefront in scientific certainty) which people find a lot easier to adjust to an agree to, and digest than something like - “X scientific study says you NEED to train in certain Y ways(usually some kind of minutia) to grow muscle in the best way possible/optimal way etc” you get the point.

[@LoneStarVII]

There are things with basketball for instance that when they have context the numbers are misleading or meaningless. Sometimes its easy to just spot when you play the game, but when you dont it leads you the wrong conclusions.

[@zfortyounce]

@@LoneStarVII I completely agree and understand where some problems lie with analytics, and they can be taken too far. But if you are someone who actually watches the games, the analytics can be inciteful to help you understand what you are seeing. I just don't think a lot of analysis is coming from people who only pour over the numbers and don't watch the games. I think a lot of the pushback against the non-counting stats is the idea that there are all these people who do that, and I think that's a bit of a strawman.

[@CccKkkk-f4j]

Stats dont work in Sports for many reasons. I

[@elee9056]

they never grew up from middle school. the whole “you are a nerd” mentality will forever be with them. because they cant move on from the time they peaked.

[@CRAZYboutMETAL]

Your editing is hilarious 😂

[@egeabali]

What Mike is saying is at the end is exactly what i was thinking. Bullying is cool and all and yeah we small* people have a disadvantage at like immidiate und unexpected physical alterations but i can just be a little patient and you are at the mercy of how far I'm willing to go.

[@the23er]

Mike is so well versed, big brain in a muscular body. Brilliant.

[@OLBICHL]

XD I was waiting for this and wasn't disappointed

[@jacobbutler169]

It really felt like Greg was truly here with all the turk blurts. 😂

[@johnnymiles8694]

what white powder is in that ziplock baggie @ 1:42 in the video

[@abk5294]

Chalk

[@ryanshankle8430]

Cocaine, for sure.

[@MrTee-uy5tl]

Cocaine

[@dnok1452]

9:56 I've not really been that drawn to Dr mike, historically, but this little speech just earned him a new subscriber. I can't knock him for his attitude towards things. Very well put indeed.

[@dathfire]

im 99.99999% sure that Mike Van Wyck is an IFBB Pro. It's just been a really long time since he competed. He was WAY out of line though, no ways around that.

[@theparadisesnare]

His best finish was like 13th at (I think) the New York pro.

[@johnconner4695]

Naa he never was! just trash

[@toomanyblocks8448]

not as good an IFBB pro as Jeff was a natural pro

[@vlada]

​@@toomanyblocks8448and Jeff set some Canadian power lifting record.

[@kronkite1530]

A mediocre pro. The irony!

[@raimundolyonsilva894]

08:27 - "sorry ehhm... good luck KZbin"

[@THEFuentes97]

😂

[@VermontMustache]

Good content gang!

[@keithwoodcrest]

Man, nice to see the comment section here is so much different than all the other ones I've seen so far

[@train123z]

in what way?

[@keithwoodcrest]

@@train123z much nicer, kinder. lots of comments on other videos glazing and praising Mike for what he did, saying Jeff had it coming

[@train123z]

@@keithwoodcrest I only see Jeff support lol... You must be going on the wrong videos man, there's no place for praising assault

[@excalibro8365]

@@train123z Probably the videos from hundreds of wannabe alpha male fitness influencers with no subscribers. It's a hot topic everybody want to chimes in or get quick views.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

I've been in heated arguments in boxing gyms without anyone throwing a sucker punch. There's just no excuse for extraneous violence.

[@dandandan_br]

For the people talking about cultures or places where what Mike did would be normal: I come from a neighborhood in Rio where you can absolutely get punch in the face for something you've said, I myself have been in both ends of these situations when i was young, so violence is kind of normal for me, but theres two things we need to take into account in that specific situation: 1. Jeff didnt said nothing that justifies getting assaulted. Even in "cultures" where violence is more normalized like mine, Mike would get fucked up on the block bc he hit someone weaker without any good reason (and Jeff is someone everybody likes). Organized crime is called organized for a reason. Where i come from in Rio the treatment for Mike in this case would be "madeirada" (portuguese for 3 or 4 dudes beating his ass with literal pieces of hard wood). 2. Yes, there are cultures and places where violence is kinda normal and all, but they live in fucking Canada, come on. Dont confuse people that pretend to be hard on the internet bc they workout with anything else other than that. We have literal video footage of Mike being a pussy when faced with someone willing to fight him. And again, they live in Canada. We talking about influencers that live in CANADA here. Maybe Mike is somewhat strong, maybe Mike can even fight, but in the hood you don't need hands to deal with someone like him, you only need a finger. And again: He. Is. Canadian. (Canadians in chat, im sorry, but you know what i mean)

[@humanbean3]

such a good response. people defending mike are putting their own feelings in it. perhaps they are thinking back on a time where the "nerd" made them feel dumb, and they wanted to beat him up, but they were too scared of even a little nerd.. so they started doing roids to stand up to little nerds, and STILL back down from people close to them in size. Even in rough neighborhoods what mike did would get him jumped for sure. honestly he's lucky i wasn't in that gym and jeff's friend. i'm pretty dumb myself

[@julianblake8385]

Yeah, man, I totally think the same. I come from Colombia, a historically violent country, and we here are very small in stature and rather thin and malnourished... but you just like you said, you don't need big muscles and to be 6.6 to deal with your enemies. Here people don't "fight" their enemies, if you know what I mean. You just need a finger, like you said. Or a friend of a friend of a friend with the right finger, and money to do the thing. Even this type of bullying or "tough guy-ing" is a First World privilege. In countries like ours we know that things don't go that way in real life. It goes way worse, and that teaches you to be humble and careful.

[@J2US-gq1vf]

Canada is statistically a top 5 country of all time for mma champions though ... here in lies the issue. It doesn't matter where you are from there are tough men everywhere. You are from Brazil. The MOST successful producer of mma fighters. Canada is basically right behind you in that with way smaller population.

[@jdmo741]

⁠​⁠@@J2US-gq1vfmma fighters don’t matter here. You completely missed the point. Even being an mma fighter and thinking you can be violent to people is a privileged take. He’s referring to culture. Jon jones can get fucking murder by two small guys with bats or knives. We are talking about real life. This idea that being a trained fighter protects you or makes you a badass only works in a non violent society. It’s a privileged take. Just think about it, why do you think the peoples who’s job it is to kill people don’t train like mma fighters. Martial arts is a fucking sport not actual combat where there isn’t any rules.

[@jdmo741]

@@J2US-gq1vfyou missed the point entirely. MMA is not combat it’s sport. Being trained in martial arts is only really an advantage in a peaceful society.. Jon jones could be fucked up by a fat short guy with a weapon. Even worse with two to three guys. It’s an argument of culture and society. Real life isn’t a movie nobody is immune to blunt force trauma

[@WilliamSt.Clair1399]

11:21 did they commit the first strike? H.W. Invaded Iraq 40(?) years ago.. also funded the Mujahideen, and spent tons of resources on trying to meddle in their government. At what point is it not exactly a first strike?

[@JLX1373]

half of the video is censored. what the hell am I listening to?

[@CarlYota]

Yeah. It’s kinda funny but also weird. When you have Dr. Mike on you gotta just let it be R rated imo.

[@TheBludgeoningEffect]

TURK! lol

[@harryv6752]

​@@TheBludgeoningEffectWas just about to say the same thing. 😆😆😆

[@unluckygamer692]

America, the land of the free and free speech... no not like that though! don't say any no-no words

[@stuffbenlikes]

I'm just glad the fitness community has something to talk about now.

[@daryx.langdale]

accidentally the funniest comment on any video covering this story

[@priscillapalacios6155]

I love hearing Dr.Mike defend Jeff Nippard. I love what Jeff has done to the science of lifting, making it easier for people like me to understand the mechanisms behind lifting. Much love from 🇨🇦

[@Izz44]

Holy cow that one older gentleman in the back near the end of the video has to be like “wtf am I listening to?!” 😂

[@Slaprox]

I like Israetel a whole lot less after this video. Mark my words Mike will be the biggest fitness influencer in the world soon.

[@MrEcuadorian]

That Dr. Mike explanation was wild and correct. Explained well for men

[@cupbowlspoonforkknif]

That was unexpectedly insightful. Just shows how great of a thinker Dr. Mike is. He never skips brain day.

[@sriramkasyap6590]

You think he got that shiny dome without a few PRs and reps to failure?

[@AkramGhareeb]

I love Mike, but that 911 analogy is blunder.

[@t.michaelbodine4341]

The crowbar argument falls apart when you bring Iraq into it. They weren't involved in 9-11 or any other notable attacks on the US.

[@rama_lama_ding_dong]

I dunno who needs to hear this but Iraq-Saddam/Afghanistan had nothing to do with 911 911 was a non nationalistic act of religio-spiritual terrorism, under the Geneva convention(moreover, technically under the well documented Islamic code of war), this doesn't justify the US response. So there's no basis for a metaphor flag waving nationalism vs a non nationalistic religio-spiritual act of terrorism.

[@trollking99]

Sadly many, many people still believe fake news, or what they want to believe, even if presented with real evidence.

[@TravisWilliams_]

Holy “Turk” that was a “Turk”ing great video.

[@punxsutawneyphil3944]

Turk yeah!

[@samuele.marcora]

This diatribe between bros and science-based lifters is ridiculous. Nobody can solely rely on science simply because there is not enough science to inform every decision a coach or athlete has to make every day. But, when available, good science provides strong knowledge about general principles. These principles have to be applied by the coach based on the individual differences and conditions of his athletes.

[@nicholastartaglia4276]

For a science/logic guy, Mike's take on 9/11 was weird. Enjoyed the rest of the conversation though

[@florencep2209]

He has very unscientific/illogical stances on multiple political topics, it seems. Just goes to show that being an expert in one field does not shield you from heavy bias in a different field.

[@margusiraptor9729]

He's only an expert on training, and that's about it. His takes on AI and politics are almost always very ignorant.

[@98danielray]

can you guys not keep listening and get what he meant about 30 seconds after? he clearly meant that world with no civility is NOT a world he would want to live in.

[@florencep2209]

@@98danielray I watched the rest. It doesn‘t change that fact that bringing up the 9/11 point in this manner is ridiculous and tells a lot about his political views.

[@Ahtalon]

@@florencep2209 DUDE it has nothing to do with politics, he never said that the iraq war was justified etc. it was an example of escalating violence and "in what world do we wanna live" is it that hard to get? mike simply isnt politically correct and doesnt care if its a hot topic for you. those jokes are like children in somalia, they never get old