MIKE MENTZER: SHOULDER TRAINING

[@Live2die555]

What a guy ahead of his time

[@Rurikpaon]

The videos you've uploaded this last month have really been your best ever. We appreciate you Mr. Little.

[@TheRealSickCentral]

Not that you need me to ask but please never stop this KZbin channel. This is my all time favourite KZbin channel, Mike and your videos have helped me so much. Mentally and with training. The feeling of acquiring the knowledge and then being able to apply it perfectly in the gym has totally changed the way I think. Eliminating the more is better fallacy where it isn’t needed is such a great feeling. I am making literally tremendous progress training twice per week, 4 sets per workout. It’s always difficult trying to show this to other friends/gym partners though.

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

Many thanks for your kind words. I will do my best.

[@CharlieBravo887]

My body's all jacked up from the "more is better" f00lishness. I hope more young men will listen to this. Your joints will thank you and your gains will remind you that it works.

[@TheRealSickCentral]

@ Amen to that. My gym partner has literally no clue how to direct his training and make progress. He has zero knowledge. He does 4 sets with upwards of 15-20 reps and always complains of shoulder and chest pain. I’ve never had a single injury following Heavy Duty Training, not even a slight twinge or pull. I have attempted to tell him you need to take training to all out failure to stimulate growth, I’ve told him it’s not a method but literally what nature requires to stimulate optimal growth in strength and size . He just dosent take it in, it’s bizarre.

[@TheRealSickCentral]

@@CharlieBravo887 my gym partner also accuses me of being lazy because I don’t go with him 5 days per week. I tell him that is an impossibility. I am interested in results, not the FEELING of not being lazy.

[@gerardfeisvuc1241]

😭❤️ give us back Mike & Ray Mentzer. Thanks from Argentina.

[@joewar-booker5485]

Thanks for another great video. Those of us who sincerely appreciate Mike Mentzer's work value them as priceless. A cordial greeting💪🏼

[@kennethjoseph9309]

I have both The Quick Guide of Menzter Heavy Duty Training and The Wisdom of Mike Menzter. I'm going to read one of then today. Mike to me is more of the peoples bodybuilder (even though he was robbed of the Mr. Olympia title back in 80). He now my new inspiration.

[@jop3249]

Mike was a body building savant. And you are a beast for creating and sharing this content. Super quality stuff

[@2KDUDE22]

Excellent work

[@ryanleclaire3948]

Great video John! Behind the neck presses are KING. Hate how maligned they are these days. They work!

[@xBestAlex]

Thank you for this information Mr Little🔥🔥🔥💯

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

No problem 👍

[@LandscapinGuys]

Underrated Legend

[@Space_interesting73]

I never met Mike but I feel sad for him R.i.p Mike mentzer 🕊️

[@akapabs108]

Thank you for this quality video sir! And long live Mike Mentzer's training methods and philosophy.

[@pfrazeto]

Excellent video

[@samintrepid]

All those video are a real gold for future generation of bodybuilder.

[@GreenKnight1294]

Behind the neck shoulder presses was one of my favorite exercises starting out, but I can't stress enough how important it is that it's performed with a slow movement. I've noticed from my own training and trying it with friends that it puts more stress on the joints than other shoulder exercises.

[@silatguy]

I like to do them fast :)

[@bk1nd544]

Happy new year! Sir🎉

[@silk7171]

Even though it says do not lock the elbows while doing the BNP, I still naturally do it right before my last final 100% Rep. I hold it there locked and take two breaths to prepare for the final 100% failure rep and on the third breath go down and GO ALL OUT! Whether this is right or wrong, I feel great after I finish, knowing I gave it my all.

[@dendanskehelt4296]

Shoulders have always been a huge problem for me.

[@gavinmontague7170]

Hello heavy duty college I was wondering if you could do a video on Mike Mentzers 1980 Olympia training routine. Thanks

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

I've thought about it, however there are so few images that were taken of Mike's workouts in 1980.

[@mexicanlucky]

I think shoulders are the simplest muscle to work out, but just as it is simple I don't mean they're easy to develop.. Yo can literally do lateral raises with just your arms weight. Do 30 slowly and you'll feel the burn.

[@UnknownUnrecognized]

old picutres are class

[@BeardPower666]

I wonder if Mike would have recommended the Face pull if he was still with us, not sure if this exercise was really in use when Mike was around.

[@Nonstop_-bd6lh]

Hi John, love the vid as usual. Are you going to make a training method for legs in the future?

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

I hope to, as I think it would helpful to have an in-depth presentation for all of the muscle groups.

[@Nonstop_-bd6lh]

@ thankyou 😁

[@britindian3146]

@12:00 mark the narrator suggests taking the dumbell to shoulder height in the side lat raise (which is how I always did it), but Mike can clearly be seen taking the weights above his head. Which is it?

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

You raise a fair point. I probably should have selected a different visual (any of the still photos used up until that point would have sufficed). The script was based on an article Mike wrote on shoulder training in 1977, where Mike went from speaking about moving the weights (dumbbells in this instance) to speaking about the upper arm position relative to the torso at the top or finish position. However, in the article he didn’t make the distinction between the position of the weights, and the position of the upper arm. Even in the video clip, however, particularly in the second one which was filmed from behind, Mike’s upper arm is pretty much parallel to the ground and not moving very much beyond 90°. It is his forearms holding the dumbbells that are higher. This is one of the reasons I think he preferred the Nautilus lateral raise machine, as the forearms and the humourous were on an even plane, which took some stress away from the elbow joint. But you are correct; given that he had written about the weight position during the movement, it is out of sync with the video clip. Unfortunately, there is a very finite amount of video of Mike performing shoulder work, so in this instance it would be correct to go with what the narrator is saying based on Mike’s writing, as opposed to that particular video clip.

[@yezzzsir]

In the context of previous videos such as chest training & angle training. How is the obvious need for angle training for the Delts addressed and treated differently?

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

It is addressed by performing exercises that target each head of the deltoid. This is indicated in the video.

[@yezzzsir]

@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE The point I was getting at is the deltoids are not 3 separate muscles even though we call them anterior medial and rear heads. So like all the Pecs are stimulated by pressing and not just a portion at different angles as addressed in your previous videos. Why is this not the case with the delts?

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

The deltoid muscle is innervated by the axillary nerve that originates from the fifth and sixth cervical nerve roots but, unlike the pectoral muscle, the axillary nerve branches out into smaller branches that supply the deltoid muscle's seven neuromuscular segments. These segments are located in the anterior, middle, and posterior heads of the deltoid. This is why, poor example you cannot train the rear head of the deltoid by performing front raises with dumbbells (irrespective of how heavy the dumbbells are).

[@joeking7404]

Back routine next!!!! Happy new year! Look forward to another year in heavy duty college!

[@MassGainingGuy]

Another tip...Have a day for shoulders only! You want your mind totally focused on building the best shoulders in the world!

[@drbonesshow1]

I've always had the shoulders. They helped me play pro baseball. After I met Mike in 1979, I knew I'd never be a bodybuilder. Too tall. Still good for baseball.

[@amine_d]

train your shoulders every 2 weeks, and the same for the pecs and back, isn't it too long ?

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

It may be too long for some people but not long enough for others. As per other videos on this channel, Mike discovered that everyone has their own unique tolerance for intense exercise, with some able to recover and adapt from it quicker than others. It depends on the individual's personal rate of recovery and adaptation (which is a genetic trait that varies across a broad continuum). Some can recover relatively quickly (24-48 hours), most require 3-4 days, and some require 5-7 (or longer) days off in between workouts. That's why Mike recommended that you track your workouts (exercises, weights, repetitions) in a logbook. If you are progressing in weight and repetitions, then you are allowing adequate time for your personal rate of recovery and adaptation from the workouts. If you are staying the same, then you are allowing for recovery but not enough time for adaptation (growth). And, if your weights and/or reps are going down, then you are not allowing enough time for recovery to take place in between workouts. Your logbook data should guide you, rather than an arbitrary number of days off between workouts. Also, as you grow stronger, the greater the demands on your energy reserves, which can extend your recovery periods (as it's an organic rather than mechanical process), so you will (over time) have to drop out certain exercises from the program in order to continue to progress, and also allow additional rest days to provide your body with the time it requires to recover its energy reserves and produce the adaptation that your workouts have demanded.

[@za9462]

The press behind the neck screwed my shoulder up. I highly recommend you don’t do this. I had shooting pain down my arm for months and years later it still bothers me.

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

As indicated in the video the Press Behind Neck (or any pressing exercise) may be problematic for some people. Mike himself later dropped the exercise from his recommended workout programs even though he never experienced a problem with the exercise.

[@MrOlympiaLovers]

Mike Mentzer ❤

[@Burgah87]

I dunno, i love Mike mentzers philosophy - but i prefer Frank zane’s physique - Mike looks ”blocky” to me?

[@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE]

Different genetics. Different physiques.

[@philosophysique5419]

Mike had a lot more muscle the Frank.

[@Burgah87]

@@philosophysique5419 true.