Mike Thurston - “I Want Derek To Test Me For Steroids”

Mike Thurston explains that he wants Derek from More Plates More Dates to test him for steroids. Will More Plates More Dates prove that Mike Thurston is natty? Can Derek MPMD reply to his texts? Will Greg Doucette comment?
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[@ChrisWillx]

Full episode goes live on Monday. Press Subscribe you beauties

[@mostafanajafzadeh]

I mean how dare you make me wait 2 more days. This is really inconvenient. I'm gonna have to file a complaint Chris xD

[@StinceVaples]

This is the equivalent of emptying your house of any drugs and then calling the DEA to raid it.

[@Sam_Stanton]

Bingo

[@kingkhaya1115]

Well Said bro

[@aestheticboy7]

no its not. if he gets tested for a longer period of time and doesnt lose size and keeps his strength its pretty convincing already.

[@moustaphamoussabouh9985]

Excellent analogy 🤣

[@awh4272]

​@@aestheticboy7 exactly. Mike is natty. He is a freak but he is natty. Since he was a kid you can see his skin does t hold water and is very lean, so much that when he gets sick I bet it hits him hard. Dude is natty but people don't believe him cos it is so out of the norm.

[@GavinCee]

Mike O’Thurston. He’s truly convinced himself he’s natty. Fair play to him 😂

[@Jimminityjabooboo]

Don’t Thurt me

[@andyjcoop]

​@@Jimminityjabooboo what is love

[@DavidSmith-hz3jg]

Derek won't do it. He gets nothing out of it.

[@VladMetal26]

Liver Mike

[@rampageGentil]

@@DavidSmith-hz3jg what did get out of the Matt does fitness

[@Chaoes96]

Looks like he is interviewing himself lmao

[@alcazar123456]

I never thought we’d see the two of you in the same room at the same time. This is like Superman meeting Clark Kent.

[@PumperPanda95]

They've already done a MW episode together lol

[@Bjorn_R]

They already did one 2.5 years ago. I thought Chris was an absolute muppet back then but now I listen to all his episodes 😅

[@alcazar123456]

@@PumperPanda95 Oh ok wow. I didn’t even know CW 2 years ago.

[@blayzertrayl8929]

The two could be brothers for sure

[@kienwoof]

Calm down

[@Cam-xu1sq]

"I want to be tested" can be translated into "I've cycled off and can now pass a test" lmfao

[@gustavocarvalho1346]

a good cardiologist could prob spot permanent damage of his use steroids. he's not not a light user.

[@truebro77]

hahahaha yep

[@joshb2686]

If you were to get teated literally a couple times without mass loss that pretty much proves natty status. Physiologically its not that hard of a thing to test…..

[@Cam-xu1sq]

@joshb2686 what are u on about? Lmfao Go read ymthe research from the early 2000s showing a guy sitting on a couch on steroids puts on more muscle than the guy lifting lmfao A similar study showed that using testosterone actually increased your bodys set point, as in, you can hold more muscle, forever... not as much as your peak obviously but more than you would for an equivalent training regiment if natural

[@joshb2686]

@@Cam-xu1sq you may not understand physiology real well. If his set point was increased he still would not be at his max. Sure you may end up being biger than if you had been only natural but you will never get even close to the peak of steroid use. He is currently at his max which he has been stationary at for some time.

[@callum_luke]

Bro would be the greatest natty OAT if he comes out as natty

[@billytheripper4]

Anavar maybe?

[@genghiskhan2468]

Ronnie coleman natty is unbeatable

[@LarryAmos92]

Prob already hopped off in prep for test like Matt does fitness? Didn’t he mention a back injury recently similar to Matt

[@billytheripper4]

@@LarryAmos92 lost all my gains because of "back injury", assuming they use this as an excuse for not growing while off the roids?

[@LarryAmos92]

@@billytheripper4 I mean what happened the whole Matt does fitness series? He did one test then claimed to be clean. Look at his brother as well now, they both claim to be ‘genetic freaks’ but there is no fucking chance

[@IWillBeTheVeryBest]

Takes gear for 10+ years Goes off Natural now

[@stayinspired6]

if you take gear for over 10 years your natural test goes down a lot so it is quite easy to see if someone has been taking gear or is on gear

[@maenlest17]

​@@stayinspired6 Not really. Vigorous Steve regained 550 ng/dl after 10 years on steroids with heavy cycles.

[@stevanivkovic684]

@@stayinspired6 He can blame that drop on low bodyfat levels and hard training on a diet

[@stayinspired6]

@@stevanivkovic684 yeah I guess that is true, but I still think this is the best way to know if someone is natural or not.

[@anthonylipari]

Like Derrick said, it would show up in his testing if he’s been on in the past then came off

[@Micolashcage1]

Chris Williamson Interviews William Chistianson

[@Patrick-jx1yo]

😂😆🤣😭

[@Patrick-jx1yo]

😂😆🤣😭

[@rohanremi]

Mike Thurston talking to Thur Mikeston.

[@brandonross1996]

I followed Mike on Insta in his early days, even before he got his own gym in Newcastle, the difference of him to then is night and day. He’s definitely on gear

[@petedandrea8463]

Vitamins and early to bed😅

[@ironsideeve2955]

@@petedandrea8463 chicken, broccoli and rice

[@f3penang287]

Oh and he trains “hard”. I go to the gym too but only train hard.

[@brandonross1996]

@Xavier if you think he’s natural mate then by all means, buy the shit he promotes 👍. I’ve been around long enough to know who’s natural or not

[@truebro77]

if you think he isn't on gar, you'd be wise to go and see a doctor

[@malik_alharb]

Mike is about as Natty as Rich Piana

[@christianguzman]

Can't wait for this one!

[@adultadventures1597]

Bro you're not natural anymore

[@24tommy109]

Can I ask why?

[@BasedHadrian]

Come on CG we know he isn’t natural

[@uncalfehud7356]

@@BasedHadrian yeah he probably hopped of tren for long time thats why he is asking for it

[@gstudio1928]

The smirk at 1:38 says all we need to know.😉

[@backpulse]

It's not random testing if you are working with the person arranging and overseeing the testing. If you know when you will be tested it defeats the purpose and proves nothing.

[@MrRandyjohnson10]

The only thing more fake than taking steroids is denying taking steroids Do you really expect us to believe that Thurston has NEVER taken gear?

[@Micolashcage1]

Hey Chris. Can you please cover what the DEA is attempting to do with TRT and telemedicine? Theyre basically attempting to shut it down completely. Mark Bell is talking about it on his pdocast currentl. This will effect Derek as well

[@clydefrog6959]

Mike thurston be like: I didn’t take my test base this morning, so I’m natty.

[@bloodsportfilms]

Mike is the 2.0 physical version of Chris

[@John-iy7xo]

Chris'physique is better since it's natural. I mean I think Chris is natty. Has he ever claimed to be natty or take roids

[@permabear6025]

Chris is humble and smart, Mike is thick as shit and a drugged up delusional narcissist.

[@the_one1001]

People don’t understand there are levels to gear… No one is on protein shake & creatine ONLY ! NO ONE ! So tell us what you’re on and we’ll see if it makes sense

[@darrenmcnairney5407]

I was expecting this collab sooner or later, I’m glad it has happened.

[@eg17532]

He was one of his first guests, like 3years ago

[@darrenmcnairney5407]

@@eg17532 ah I did not know that, this is the first time I have seen them do an interview

[@MrRangersfan123]

Mike might be natty now but he is definitely not a lifelong natty. Remember that like 15% of people are elite responders and can actually maintain mass even after they stop using.

[@KR-rj7vf]

I'm late 20s, been lifting for about 5 years, going to the gym 3x per week, zero cardio, diet is not great, genetics are ok but not the best, and I'm a lifetime natty. And I'm not all that far off of Mike. I can see how great genetics, hard work, and 15+ years of focused gym time could get him that physique without ever juicing.

[@phil5037]

Cope

[@zerofox2030]

@@KR-rj7vf You're either lying or your wrong about your genetics being not "the best" if you're close to mike. That aside, Mike doesn't look natty, at all.

[@JM-mr6lv]

@@zerofox2030 people say stuff like that guy all the time then when you look at their pics they’re never anywhere near the physique they’re “not all that far off” from.

[@khalid8794]

@@KR-rj7vf cap, aint how it works

[@boristheblade209]

didnt mike already have his chance when matt got tested? I seem to recall matt got tested because mike and matt were going to enter a natty bodybuilding comp and they got shit for it. Matt said come and test me, so derek did, while mike disappeared and went silent. Am i wrong? Mike probably wants to get tested after seeing that Matt was able to beat the test lol

[@MikeThurston]

I’m not going to move back to the UK for 6 months just so I can get randomly tested with Matt

[@ROHITBIRJERANE]

This is like the Spider-Men pointing at each other.

[@GTF85]

😂😂😂

[@modemarcoj8026]

Perhaps he has been off for a while but 100% Mike Thurston has utilized gear .

[@dac8939]

Why he has a very basic regular gym guy look

[@Almighty_1]

@@dac8939 nah, if mike is actually natural, he's got one of the best and biggest natural physiques.

[@dac8939]

@@Almighty_1 no. He is not big, just well cut

[@dac8939]

@@Almighty_1 cbum and Arnold are what you call Elite looks. Mike just looks like a guy who works out 4 times a week, good diet and been doing it for many several years

[@Almighty_1]

@@dac8939 are you stupid? I said natural physiques. Cbum and arnold werent natural. Someone like alex eubank is considered the peak natural physique, and yet mike is significantly bigger

[@alexanderwindh4830]

I don't know if I'm high or there's two of them.

[@gennady5942]

Derek doesn't test for steroids. Looking at your blood work and testing for substances is not the same thing

[@dustinransom5674]

Mike “thirsty for Tren” Thurston is my favorite natural bodybuilder.

[@7roncris]

Derek didn't respond but I bet he had a good laugh

[@blkbluhu368]

Bro, he’s not on steroids but he is on TRT and probably on GH also. The better question is, “are you enhanced” and the answer is f@ck yeah. He looks great so, keep it up but just keep it 100.

[@theandreialexandru]

Trt is a steroid. Read more

[@SugarRayValentine]

@Brandon Collin it’s not the same, TRT is to bring you to normal test levels if you are below, also there’s multiple different kinds of PED’s steroids aren’t just one thing

[@Vandal-Vlogs]

Trt is roids you goon

[@barrywilliams4866]

@@SugarRayValentine 100% this, you could spend ten years on high doses of PED's, build a lot of muscle, come off, go on TRT and get to the top of the range for that giving you a natural reading...."are you enhanced" as OP said is a whole new question....

[@blairsy77]

A great rule to follow is the "everyone bigger than me is on steroids" rule, that mentality will really help you achieve things.

[@johnhenry4844]

This is not the fight, this tool lost his hair to juicing

[@blairsy77]

@@johnhenry4844 Oh noooo not his hair! LMAO. Men's natural T levels are dropping 1% annually, pretty soon everyone will be "juicing".

[@johnhenry4844]

@@blairsy77 Bruh he went bald in his 20’s relax, you sound bald af

[@blairsy77]

@@spm36 wut?

[@blairsy77]

@alex ander Yea people are getting dumber.

[@TheJGW]

There is no way on this earth is Mike claiming natty. That’s the most egregious shit I’ve ever seen. There’s no chance. Come on now, that’s why Derek probably hasn’t responded 😂

[@pagirios2285]

if hes natty imagine how would he look on gear

[@TheJGW]

@@pagirios2285 He's absolutely not natty though. I always presumed he just didn't speak about it but to blatantly say he isn't on gear has put me of him now. Couldn't be any more obvious, doesn't take anything away from the hard work so I don't understand the need to lie.

[@pagirios2285]

@@TheJGW yea he said the same thing that "hes natty" some months ago and i was left in disbelief, is he afraid that he wont sell as many courses as if he was natty? Every gym goer for+2 years can tell 90% of the time if someone is natty or not

[@TheJGW]

@Charles you’re either joking or you’ll believe anything

[@TheJGW]

@Charles 😂

[@josueveguilla9069]

Who else HATES the term "Influencer"? Raise your hand 🙋

[@patricklemire9278]

Anyone who says their job is influencer should be vaporized.

[@joelhall5124]

You mean you want him to test you for steroids NOW.

[@backpulse]

Yep! All these fitness influencers arranging their own testing is getting ridiculous.

[@calebhanly2026]

My guy. Its rigorous testing over like a 4, 5 month period, and show that neither your fitness and strength get better/don’t decline

[@petedandrea8463]

Yeah it's like..'me thinks the lady doth protest too much'

[@kingkhaya1115]

😂😂😂😂

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

I learned a lesson in the army, and Derek and Noel affirmed my suspicion. Really big dudes at the gym should be considered, "on gear," until proven otherwise.

[@MagnusStormfist]

The thing is, even if you get tested, unless it is a random date people could still cycle off in time for the test. The only real way for it to be legit is to enter a natural competition where you can get tested at any point without your knowing the date. Even Mat going through rigorous testing means nothing if he had time to cycle off before the due date. It MUST be random to be legit.

[@rj3356]

Nah thats what Matt went through apparently, MPMD said he was randomly getting Matt tested to make sure he wasn’t just doing what you just said .

[@jayuk83]

Matt’s tests were random bro

[@rp2895]

The only way to know is to get randomly tested since you start lifting, many "natty" bros have not always been natty and the advantage they got while being on gear stays with them even if they're supposedly clean now. So no one will ever know if Thurston is natty or not, my guess is he's been on the sauce for a long time, maybe is clean now but will keep the gains he made while on gear.

[@awh4272]

Matt's tests were random. You're clearly speaking without watching the video first. Mike and Matt are super rare yes, but look at Mike's child pictures. Dude has very bad fat retention in his skin which makes him looked ripped. It is actually a lacking feature that makes him look so good. Unless you think he was on gear when he was 10 years old.

[@MagnusStormfist]

@@awh4272 I hear you but they almost cannot win because apparently athletes in the olympics get tested randomly but they are all on something even though nobody likes to admit it.

[@ryanb4046]

Mike has somehow convinced himself that he’s natty. Everyone knows he’s not, he will get Liver King’d one day

[@Lightsongss]

He looks identical to you. It's almost as if you are interviewing yourself with a haircut.

[@theemclane4037]

One of them is much cleaner

[@Fred-zt5ky]

Until a couple years ago I thought they were the same person. Obviously now I realize they don’t even look that similar, but when I wasn’t following either I legit thought it was the same guy.

[@CONEHEADDK]

I can't see colour either.... :D

[@Adam-M1]

@@Fred-zt5ky similar voice too!

[@Alan-cz8tf]

Mike charging fans £8000 a day to hangout with him😂

[@richardjones3792]

Really???

[@anthonylipari]

Where? I would pay.

[@dac8939]

I would not pay £8

[@heavenlyway108]

🤣🤣🤣

[@permabear6025]

@@anthonylipariyou must be bent then but he probably can’t get it up after all the gear

[@sxhrgvs]

Mike is talking about Ryan Humiston - the funniest lifting related KZbinr out there, but also very well informed. Jeff Nippard also very very good.

[@rupertdrew9829]

Let’s go old school and get Mike to record himself swearing on his mother’s life and any children lives in his family on film that he has never done any gear in his life. 😂

[@oldaccount1870]

Sorry Mike.. the only natty I trust is Mike O Hearn

[@josephgonzales9649]

Can’t wait for the full episode!

[@neilwadden1749]

It’s a simple blood test. I live in Taiwan and on TRT. I get my blood tested every three months. Costs me 10usd

[@ianwatson2945]

Ryan Humiston is who they're talking about with the science based muscle tech... and he's the funniest dude on KZbin for fitness

[@truebro77]

biggest wanker * fixed it for you

[@paddy8046]

Unless you have a test that can validate that steroids was never used historically then what is the point.

[@memebear3347]

They think ppl is silly. Go research how long u need to be out of drugs to not show blood biomarkers. You still get many of the benefits although not the full scope and some architectural changes remain

[@simps104]

Nobody really cares about gear. The only ones who hate are the ones who can’t do the hard work themselves

[@ismailh-dw4dh]

Mike Thurston and Mike O Hearn - both mikes are completely natural

[@ROHITBIRJERANE]

This is like Joe Rogan interviewing himself.

[@ROHITBIRJERANE]

This is like Abed talking to evil Abed.

[@Wetterwet]

Guest request- Dr. Mike Israetel from Rnaissance Periodization

[@RogueCylon]

Honestly it means nada unless you are in active competition, building up and entering.

[@ericwelch5461]

Ryan Humiston! The dude Mike was referring to

[@Almighty_1]

Whether you believe it or not, there is still a chance he is natural and hasn't taken anything before. You can't say it's physically impossible when Ronnie was bigger as a natty. If he's willing to do random testing, and his testosterone is normal and lifts don't worsen, it'll prove more than enough

[@pierer91]

Whats it like having double digit iq

[@NahalIslam]

These two are basically Adam and He-Man

[@vikingexploring]

Because it is so hard to go off gear and get tested. Or have used things in the past and then get tested

[@nickdavison5593]

The exercise muscle activation buy is Ryan Hurmiston

[@nickdavison5593]

Sorry Hurmiston.

[@nickdavison5593]

Humiston. Damn auto complete

[@Chrisheron78]

Why would anybody be bothered if they are accused of using PEDs? Take it as a compliment and move on with your life. Simple. But, if you are that serious, let Derek turn up at your door unannounced. At any time in the distant future.

[@djcontech]

50% natty 😂😛

[@onirico7913]

You guys saying they look alike are tripping. They're both built like rocks, same haircut and same trimmed beard but to say they are twin brothers... Get your eyes checked people

[@riccardodiluca6862]

Dude...Don't...

[@kennethgoldsmith3851]

If people who ever go and live in Dubai. They all know steroids is sold legally and they deliver them to you at home. It’s EVERYWHERE.

[@KennyG-qh8jc]

That was 2 and a half years ago jesus

[@jamescourt2842]

Doing a blood test to prove someone that’s been on a cycle is the most ridiculous idea anyone can do. If Mike taking Anabolic all he’s got to do is use a short ester Test Propionate the day before Derek decides to send him a test kit that’s the thing. Providing he’s not using any hardener like Masteron or Tren It will be out of the system before he’s gotten a result.

[@Johnb.78]

I have faith in Big Mike.

[@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika]

He's so handsome, pretty even.

[@gankdalfthedank9855]

no Mike, you really don't

[@theandreialexandru]

Mike’s arm is almost as big as his head and there are people out there who think he is natural? Mike, come on! I know you have a business but this is getting worst. You are a great guy, you worked hard, you give great advice. On the steroid stuff, don’t speak at all.

[@scottswift8153]

Derek's friend died, he got a surgery and he's busy. Hasn't really been posting. Bet he'd be down in a couple months.

[@connor8636]

Derek becoming the unofficial official (drug tester) gate keeper for all these fake natties. I imagine he'd earn a fortune fudging the results for all these fake natties bribing him but he has integrity. Or he's already prescribing his perfect stack for them all to look borderline

[@anthonylipari]

Derek is already making $100K a day. How much would these guys possibility pay him to fudge the results that would be considered a “fortune”? $10 million??

[@BobRoss-wm3lc]

“I want him to test me, at the exact time and date of my choosing so I can cycle off properly in time for the test”….

[@mskxsm]

Idk but these two guys are looking like real brothers 😅

[@geraldom6344]

well derek missed liver kings email too :P

[@BranNew1]

Your buddy was cool with being tested randomly, and passed. Now that you can pass you want to be tested.. That doesn’t solidify credibility. These dorks are so ashamed to admit using ped’s and it’s obvious they have. I don’t know what the big deal is.

[@jackasswarvetrian]

Derek isn’t a fitness KZbinr, he’s a brotuber on the board of duderectors and Rogan’s the CEO.

[@CONEHEADDK]

Unless your channel is about things, where the details are veeery important, don't go crazy about the finnish. If "anything" but the story telling mattered, fx South Park would never had got a habndfull of viewes. Content rules !!! Same with music - a goood melody and/or fantastic words is enough. As we say in the biker world "If it doesn't work, chrome it", and "Chrome won't get you home".

[@gestucvolonor5069]

Mike is the successor of the natty claiming Mikes after O'tren

[@universalmeditation8631]

It’s funny influencers are stressed out over their dream job because of a video having a tiny technical issue. Sounds like you need to hire someone to take on the stress in that department.

[@nicklevitt6395]

Big news Brodie is starting a fitness podcast

[@johnhenry4844]

This guy just wants to show he can cycle off and maintain size 😂, he’s been the biggest fake natty for years

[@noooname2568]

This is just embarrassing now Mike…😂

[@funhouse9566]

MattDoesTestosterone does his test during an injury, lol.

[@san_t]

These guys can just pay VADA and sign up to their scheme

[@722sasuke]

Uncle Mike in the house !

[@Sentinnel]

The fakest natty of the internet apparently has found a way to bypass a test

[@KennyG-qh8jc]

If Mike is natural i will be shocked i have to admit

[@tclass99]

Lmao… surely Mike doesn’t think we’re all that stupid. He’s about as natty as Mike O’Hearn. He’s still worked his ass off and achieved a great physique. No need to lie about getting a little help to do it. If Arnold could eventually admit it then so can he.

[@samuelrussell1016]

Fan of both Derek and iron Mike, would be good to see

[@T_Smoke]

Great to know he identifies as natty

[@lukebrown8580]

I find it funny how Derek started off as a hair loss channel and then regurgitated a load of information off the internet and is now a star. Quite impressive to say the least

[@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488]

Subbed at 30k. He started off with half training/gear vids and half dating stuff. He didnt get hardcore into hair stuff till awhile in.

[@lukebrown8580]

@@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488 he copied a guy called Chris from hairlossfromsteroids if you remember this far back? He’s done a few interview with him before, but yes Derek’s channel mainly started off as gear and how it relates to hair loss. Not so much training. Also every first got to no MPMD from hairloss let’s be honest

[@Bjorn_R]

@@lukebrown8580 I went to MPMD to know more about gear. The hair stuff was just a pleasant surprise. I have also been subbed since 30k

[@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488]

@@lukebrown8580 He didnt copy. He was a member of the goodlookingloser forums started by chris deoudes back about 10 years ago. Proved he knew his shit on gear and chris reached out to him. Theres some other guys out there who got their start on the forums who havent hit it as big, but are making some good contributions to the mens space. Andy with killyourinnerloser springs to mind

[@lukebrown8580]

@@kiely4561 of course yeh him and Chris are friends! That’s how Derek got the idea of starting as far as I no. Oh for sure he has put the work in, won’t take that away from him at all, massive respect and credit to him. Love his channel, but it is simply regurgitated information and research from online and books

[@matt-f1c]

Love to know what he’s taking ? He’s in amazing shape, but to be fair he does put the graft in …

[@evothompson3073]

Ryan Humiston

[@EndL1ch]

Next up: Simeon Panda wants Derek to test him to confirm natty status

[@sharkymoon422]

Mike trenston is mike o’hearn love child ?!

[@KennyG-qh8jc]

Matt proved to me a skeptic he was natural

[@liamfoo09]

Mike is obviously on gear 😂😂😂

[@joshb2686]

Really? How do you know? He is within the FFMI that is possible, he doesn’t ever gain muscle and has insane genetics. Not to mention his 15% body fat on dexa looked like a normal person’s 10. You have no clue.

[@liamfoo09]

@@joshb2686 Because I have eyes and I’m not gullible

[@joshb2686]

@@liamfoo09 I mean that’s just a dumb and gullible comment within itself.

[@Therandeon]

Big Mike means Ryan Humiston. Looking forward to finally find out if Mike is natural or not. Not that it matters because I didn't follow Mike all these years just for his body but rather the content and personality.

[@rp2895]

Maybe he is "now", but the myonuclei etc you banked when on TRT or whatever will always be there and give you an edge over a dude who's always been natty.

[@Therandeon]

@@rp2895 Thanks for the comment. I had never heard of myonuclei before and a quick research gave me more insight than simply knowing what it means. Cheers.

[@garyf.3328]

There is not a single strong man or bodybuilder pre anabolics that has a body that looks like today’s ‘Natties’. All these influencers are full of shit and treat their audience with contempt laughing all the way to the bank.

[@RPTINTING]

Crazy how it’s so difficult to tell if anyone’s natty anymore. It’s such a confusing topic and it’s hard to test properly.

[@oldaccount1870]

It's not hard to tell if you've been into bodybuilding for years. I've seen enough natural and enhanced lifters to be able to take one look at Mike and tell he's on or atleast was on some form of steroid. There's only a few guys which I genuinely can't tell, but Mike is obvious

[@billytheripper4]

​@@oldaccount1870 agreed, once you know, you know.

[@user-dq6se6er8j]

A rare dip in content quality