Top 5 Dumbest Surplus Gun Myths

[@chrisw7206]

Amen. The absurdity of the M1 clip ping legend is so damn dumb. I think the FAL is actually a short-stroke piston system though.

[@MikeB128]

Yeah I guess I mis-spoke on that since the piston isn't actually connected to the bolt carrier.

[@MikeB128]

The M1 Garand is a long stroke however, and that's one of the most accurate weapons according to all the same people who shit on the AK platform.

[@chrisw7206]

Mike B spot on there

[@MrSniperdude01]

Hey @Mike B Loved your video man ! Do you know more specifically when or where you heard that "Ping" myth?? Just curious because they portrayed that in 2016's AutoBio "Hacksaw Ridge" and 2006's "Flags of our fathers" not to mention CoD: World at War (2008).

[@Cuevanator]

@@MikeB128 So I think the blogger was semi correct about the piston. The weight of the piston in early AK models were the reason for this myth I believe, since the pistons were so heavy it would literally cause the barrel to move up and down due to the weight and force of the piston hitting the receiver. Although that being said, the accuracy reduction at battle distance(300m) is negligible at best. So that blogger is still an idiot.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

My favorite is that the 5.56 and M16 was designed to wound enemies, not kill them. Please, someone, show me the requirement anywhere in any government document where the US Army ever wanted to adopt a caliber for wounding enemies. If you believe the notion if you wound a Soviet soldier 5 others are going to stop fighting to drag the wounded one to medical attention tells me you don't know much about Soviet era military doctrine.

[@MikeB128]

Yep, I'm going to cover that. Just have to figure out a way to word it eloquently enough to get all the old fudds to whine and bitch, yet disprove the myth using logic and reason. Wow, now that I typed that, it doesn't seem like it's going to be that difficult.

[@bryanmartinez6600]

@Mshark308 just a flesh wound he's fine

[@worldfamousgi86]

@@bryanmartinez6600 A flesh wound!? Your arm's off!

[@tokestorgaard7823]

if 5.56 is designed to wound then the 9mm is designed to tickle

[@Tellos]

One of the reasons for the resistance of its adoption was many old timers in the armed forces didint liek how small the round was. Worried it would not kill well enough.

[@DerpyTurtle0762]

"How in the chicken fried f***" is now my catch phrase

[@RobertDecker417]

Same

[@jumpmasterdan77]

Ditto!

[@derianarce2686]

I typically say "What in the Kentucky Fried Fuck"

[@derianarce2686]

Or "How"

[@gregnadd5017]

Mike B: Shows french rifle Fudds: *Hurr Durring intensifies*

[@noway6633]

@JustHereToComment. Whats wrong with tactical socks. Point me where they are. I wanna see.

[@tykeith496]

LMFAO 😂

[@tjfjt]

@@Joe93819 r/ihavereddit

[@neonblack6]

@JustHereToComment. I dont know what kind of an insult that is, but I'm a fan

[@bryanmartinez6600]

@Washington Bear damn it don't DISGRACE the denim cargo socks

[@George-li2mb]

When you said “all you can hear is tinnitus “ I was dying laughing. Great video mike I’m glad there is people like you that corrects the severely misinformed

[@MikeB128]

It's true though. It's muffled ringing lol.

[@George-li2mb]

Mike B Oh yeah since I was in Iraq I have always had ringing in my ears. Even when I’ve had people shooting my M1 right next me I can barely hear the ping. Hell even when I’ve shot it at times can’t hear the ping at all

[@MikeB128]

Same same with the ringing since Iraq. It's annoying as fuck, and I've only heard the ping a couple times while I was firing the M1 with some bad-ass earpro, but other than that, you don't hear that shit lol.

[@thoughtsofanoldSoldier]

What, can't hear you over the ringing.....from shooting M 198 155mm. Love the video and info.

[@George-li2mb]

THOUGHTS OF AN OLD SOLDIER Damn, i got mine from some dipshit firing a mk19 right at us and it going off above my fox hole

[@anthony2002able]

The funny part about the French one is the mas 36 is the bayonet can be locked into another mas36 and get stuck together

[@FBIAGENT725]

Imagine trying to explain to an officer why your rifles are stuck together

[@fmondeo]

Gun French kiss

[@bryanmartinez6600]

I think ian explained that newer models had a hole so you can separate them

[@bigmike-]

Ah, the old French Finger Trap

[@banjerpicker5273]

You know this actually happened in war time. The recruit is like idk how it happened. Lmao

[@TheLyingFigure]

The M1 is actually semi true, the reason the japanese would come out from cover when they heard the ping is cause they thought someone was calling thier name.

[@MikeB128]

HAHAHAHAHA! You win my comments section for the day.

[@williamstoneman6977]

This fucking killed me, like the enemy hearing the clip ping

[@demonic7610]

that is sooo bad, yet still funny lol. My grandpa fought the Japanese in ww2 and you know what he had no bad words for them. Granted he also taught us to respect our enemies and never under-estimate them because that's when you die.

[@Mike_AR_15]

Cool, man that's funny.

[@gabriel300010]

no thats against the chinese

[@richardpowell4281]

Hiroo Onoda a Japanese Officer kept fighting and committing sabotage after the war as his orders were to never surrender and wait for his commanding officer to return. He didn't formally surrender until 1974 and his Arisaka Type 99 Rifle was still in functioning condition. 30+ years in the field and it still worked.

[@generalolivervonbismarck393]

That’s what happens when you keep your rifle clean

[@brandonsalt6668]

He was in the Philippines the whole time it took his former CO to get him out (not even for his wife)

[@energymischiefbear1001]

Even better that type 99s are still going pretty cheap in the states

[@nobudgetcomments2742]

Pretty sure he ran out of ammo long before that point, so it wasn't actually in use for 30 years

[@jizzmonkey9679]

@@nobudgetcomments2742 hecstill had 500 rounds of ammo and a few grenades

[@KageNoTora74]

Another M1 Garand myth is that the magazine can't be topped up with a partially loaded clip. That's been disproven. You can load a full clip, fire a few shots then lock the bolt open manually and replace the rounds you fired.

[@oswaldchai9865]

Bloke on the Range did a good video on it

[@virgilio6349]

@@homemadetech5712 Must say, the Garand truly was ahead of its time.

[@zacharyrollick6169]

@@homemadetech5712 Even Carcanos can do that.

[@catbear3294]

@@zacharyrollick6169 carcanos arent semiauto though

[@SJMORG]

True and a very good point in this inter thread but the ping sounds so nice that you just dont skip it though

[@henryfondle725]

I have met people who a actually think the French didn't fight at all in both world wars.

[@derekchecketts8461]

They fought each other.

[@michaeltubbs4606]

They were actually fighting against the US in North Africa. Few know that.

[@alexgottmituns7049]

SS Charlemagne

[@unknowntraveller8633]

Oh please please tell me you are kidding. What has happened to the teaching of History if this is true.

[@Terabit3]

Didn't France literally lose 60% of their male population in WWI?

[@AshGreen359]

The AK 47 had accuracy issues when it first arrived. Just like the M16 had reliability issues when it was first used.

[@kyle18934]

The f35 had problems as well when it was first being tested lol. Most to all tanks, planes guns and ships have problems before being refined. If the ak and its variants is still being used and produced there's a darn good reason for it.

[@thewerepyreking]

To the m16's credit, it was due to upper brass stupidly not issuing cleaning kits to save a buck

[@ArcturusOTE]

@@thewerepyreking Not even a buck, wasn't it like 25c?

[@KILLASAURUSFLEX]

@@ArcturusOTE Was literally 25c

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

To be fair, the original milled receiver designs have been returned to by higher grade AK makers. The Red Army command originally shot them down not because of performance, but because of a higher production time/cost requirement over folded sheet metal.

[@jessclark9725]

I've seen garand thumbs 3 times in my life, and each time (including doing it myself), the EXACT dumb-assery you described caused it.

[@Arthiem]

"gun experts" learned everything from Call of Duty.

[@theredneckbuddha2763]

"What do you mean the Gold Plated M-16 wasn't used in Vietnam??"

[@seansgarage394]

Lol

[@jamesmijares6366]

Give credits to the kids that go to actual plinking sessions and gun ranges, just to learn more.

[@FBIAGENT725]

You mean to tell me a silencer DOESNT reduce damage?

[@jesusloveseveryone7779]

Gog

[@buddytesla]

An extension of that M1 myth I’ve heard many times is that G.I.’s carried an empty clip with them and would throw it on the ground like a bird call to get German and Japanese soldiers to pop their heads out of foxholes so they could shoot them.

[@Foxman25000]

Same. But I heard they smacked the clip on their helmets. Actually believed it for a long time. Sounded like a smart thing to do.

[@rocket_sensha4337]

In europe i doubt it. Now in a jungle i can picture some messed up paronoid GI trying it... Not that it will be really efective.

[@DunedainAkkarin]

@@rocket_sensha4337, not sure I'd want to give my current position away in a jungle, even if the Japanese have bat like hearing, and can hear you pinging the clip.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

@@rocket_sensha4337 Why would your rifle, without firing it, suddenly eject an empty clip? 🤔

[@feniter7885]

I think you wouldn't hear a ping in a firefight

[@TokioExpress]

8:45, the spirit of the Arisaka has followed you, Mike. It yearns to stick a 15 inch Nipponese Steel bayonet through a fudd.

[@sillylittleowlguy2392]

Nice.

[@joshdebeaux5266]

My grandfather told me about this guy who gave himself garand thumb on purpose to try and get out of boot camp, roasted until it healed.

[@DYLANJJK94]

Ouch...

[@energymischiefbear1001]

I’m sure that worked out REAL well lmao

[@andyrihn1]

French guns tend to be either cutting edge or obsolete because they’re quick to adopt new technology and by the time they make an updated version of that, the next big thing is on the horizon. For example: Chassepot was the best needle rifle but was put into service right as metallic cartridges were getting popular, the Gras was good when it came out but repeating rifles were coming along, the Lebel was absolute state of the art for two years before better cartridges and magazine systems came along, the MAS36 is imo a perfect military bolt action but semiautos came along, etc In any case though, French soldiers have historically had some of the biggest balls

[@crussteasock4047]

Sounds like they were consistently late to the party

[@muffinman3111]

Even before the level there was box magazines

[@deadbeatradio7831]

Alot of fuddlore exists or existed because of hearsay before the internet. To alot of older guys this stuff was truth at the clubs and ranges. Now we have people actually testing them on videos, and having first hand experience of how these weapons actually are.

[@MikeB128]

You would think most of this mythology would be extinct then, but alas, it's as alive and prevalent as ever regardless of what is readily available.

[@deadbeatradio7831]

@@MikeB128 I guess hindsight is always 20/20, but I'm glad good weapons are getting recognized and old folk myths are getting dispelled.

[@ThisMachineKillsFacists]

On more than one occasion I've seen Boomers swear up and down that old hearsay rumors and unsubstantiated claims from books self published back in 1984 were 100% fact - even when confronted with newly dug-up contradictory information straight from the national archives.

[@scythelord]

And the internet ALSO is used to spread a shit ton more misinformation than previously possible.

[@semperfi1587]

Quit hating on old people, you jerk.

[@gabriellins3572]

"CaRcAnO iS iNnAcCuRaTe" well tell that to JFK homie, it wans't so innacurate on him now was it?

[@rnrailproductions5049]

Carcano was shit when compared to the Steyr-Männlicher M.95

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

"Pull up with the 'Cano, goin blao. Jackie reaching for your brain-o, whatchu thinkin now" I'm white

[@christopherconard2831]

Like most surplus guns, condition from usage/storage history is the big factor. Carcanos also had different manufacturers working to different tolerances. Unfortunately for Kennedy, Oswald got his hands on a Beretta made one in good shape.

[@ashleycalhoun1824]

I mean, at less than 100 yards, a head shot won't be out of its effective capacity.

[@dannypeck96]

what did JFK die of? lead poisoning. i'll see myself out

[@johnchristian1205]

Anyone who says these rifles are junk they need to explain why they are still in use. Mil-surp rifles are some of the best.

[@JerryEricsson]

When my brother-in-law moved back to the Dakota's with his 3 young boys, everyone needed a rifle for hunting. At the time I was a licensed dealer, so I ordered in some surplus British and German rifles, we all had a blast, Since Dad had an old .303, that's what I got for myself, I butchered it down to look like a jungle carbine and she still shot very well. We used those for a few years till everyone had saved enough to buy some Remington, or Winchester rifles, but hunting was never as fun as it was with those old battle rifles.

[@semperfi1587]

All of these rifles are obsolete.

[@RayTC]

@@semperfi1587 tell that to hunters, sport shooters, firearm collectors, and middle east insurgents.

[@Thunderchicken69]

Yeah there’s still dudes rolling around in the Ukraine kicking ass with 91/30s and M44 carbines, in the Middle East fighting back against the terrorists, too.

[@ArcturusOTE]

@@semperfi1587 Doesn't mean useless

[@Gottaculat]

I love when people say the Caracano doesn't shoot worth a damn, 'cause then I get to say, "You should ask JFK what he thinks about the Caracano's effectiveness as a rifle."

[@laughingsnake1989]

Goattacular I owned A caracano fucker can’t hit shit

[@Gottaculat]

@@laughingsnake1989 You should ask JFK what he thinks about the Caracano's effectiveness as a rifle. JFK would have preferred you be the assassin, then, lol! I hear the most common reason people are inaccurate with the Caracano is they're using the wrong load. That, or the rifle hasn't been taken care of and has physical wear that would ruin accuracy for any weapon platform. 'Course, you could also just be a bad shot who's bad accuracy is somewhat mitigated by modern systems. It's also possible your definition of accuracy is unreasonable, such as sub 1 MOA, and you think 2-3 MOA is "not hitting shit," which is the wrong mindset for combat accuracy. For example, my accuracy with my 5.56x45 AR-15 running surplus ball ammo is about 2-3 MOA with irons at 100 yards, and I can ping an 18" gong at 450 yards with irons while maintaining about a 8"-14" group. That accuracy won't win me any competitions, and I can certainly improve, but if that were an enemy, he'd be dead, and dead is dead regardless of what unreasonable demands you impose on your rifle. If the Caracano was good enough to ventilate JFK's head in a moving vehicle, your measure of "accuracy" really doesn't matter, as dead is dead. I'm also not saying the Caracano is a great weapon, just that hey, for combat purposes, it's good enough.

[@tylerblubaugh5549]

@@Gottaculat if I can hit a 12 inch target from 50 yards it's a fucking precision rifle to me cause I'm used to bead sights

[@Quadrenaro]

The Caracano gave JFK a major headache.

[@Kentucky_Caveman]

To be fair, there could have very well been more than one rifle there that day

[@DrumandPianoDude]

The French were the ones who made artillery more accurate and capable of delivering quicker successive shots, as well as being the first to have a rifle (Lebel) use a smaller boat tailed cartridge and smokeless powder.

[@minutenreis]

@@homemadetech5712 actually in this case, its the reason, why the Lebel is rather bad. (Seeing as it was replaced midwar by Carbines [forgot the name] and after the war with the Mas36). It was bleeding edge, bleeding. While other countries got fine rifles by leaving themselves enough developing time.

[@Atzy]

@@minutenreis Berthier rifle

[@kywoodsman]

Yes the Arisaka myth was perpetuated by the US military I believe, they told GI'S this to downplay the true danger of the Japanese military, and give troops more confidence.

[@philipdepalma4672]

People also look at “last ditch” weapons and think they are typical off all weapons of that type.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

I remember watching a WW2 education film for Soilders about enemy weapons, it claimed MP40 was less controllable than the Thompson and M3

[@danmorgan3685]

All you can hear is tinnitus. Truer words were never spoken. I did get my thumb bit by an SKS. I pushed down a bit too much while loading using a stripper clip. Nothing serious just a bit of pinch.

[@devinpetersen2387]

Your lucky than, I however wasn't I almost broke my index finger once.

[@braydenwise322]

I’ve was always spooked to get SKS-thumb, always used my open chamber indicator at the range to close the bolt, one day wasn’t paying attention, thumb was little too far down and completely smashed it

[@kyle18934]

Oof these stories sound painful.

[@raptorcell6633]

I almost fucked my thumb when I was loading mine, i loved that Rifle but being told that it can fucking bite would have been nice to know. Sad I had to get rid of it a few months ago

[@jamesmijares6366]

An SKS can go off when you drop it. Moving bolt... Help pls, is that true?

[@lhongdicc5705]

Haha dropped once, never been fi- *gets ban hammered*

[@smartmars603]

*gets shot by the french*

[@russelltreweek]

new drinking game, take a shot every time he says "gimme a break"

[@MikeB128]

Too bad you're 12 and not old enough to drink...

[@russelltreweek]

OOF, do I really look that young, I guess the picture is 3-4 years old. time to update my profile picture I guess

[@wendigo1619]

Well the fact is that the whole "can't hit the broad side of a barn" with an AK-47 is probably because the guy is a terrible shot no matter what rifle he's using

[@kyle18934]

Are you saying a guy jumping up and spraying a general area is going to be a bad shot? (Sarcasm intended)

[@assassin9164]

@@kyle18934 nah man, if a dude does that they'll fucking hit you with 40 rounds from 2700 meters away. (Sarcasm)

[@PPhheeww]

Ever watched the youtube video Aloha Snack Bar?

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNitpicker]

Draugre and let’s not forget, some of those barns are really crafty. They have all the best camo techniques, and know where all the good concealment is.

[@minimums5831]

Napoleon did surrender After almost taking all of Europe

[@Droodog127]

*singing ABBA* at waterloo

[@anthonyhayes1267]

He bitch slapped post Frederick the Great Prussia. Enough said

[@dukeofmecklenburg-strelitz8030]

@@anthonyhayes1267 Post frederick the great Prussia was in total stagnation...after he died it went down hill hard....So...Not like Napoleon took on Prussia in its frederician era

[@Melody_Raventress]

minimums has

[@electroevolution5777]

@Jerrol Hale I wouldn't go as far as to discredit the Brits entirely but..... youreeee notttt wrongggg.

[@ceoofsocialanxiety6658]

Fun thing about the AK inaccuracy myth: my dad (grew up in east-germany) sometimes talks about his time in the military. And how he still hit targets with an AK over distances of 600+m

[@michaelbloom5342]

You forgot about how Mattel made all of the first M-16's.

[@JerryEricsson]

When I was in Army Basic Training back in 1970 at Fort Lewis, we used to make fun of the M-16's look, it truly resembled a toy to we children of Popeye and the Flintstones, where Mattel was the major advertiser. So it was, when we talked of the M-16, some soldier would come with "It's MATTEL, It's swell!" because that was the end of every MATTEL advertisement.,

[@assaultguy859]

I think they made only the lower receivers, and I heard after complaints from fear, they simply took the Mattel stamp off. Although I’m not sure how accurate that statement is.

[@WrenchWhacker]

Michael Bloom Check now 😉

[@sillylittleowlguy2392]

Assault Guy fairly certain they never made any parts for the m-16

[@michaelblacktree]

_"all you can hear is tinnitus..."_ I'm still hearing tinnitus...

[@DevinAlden]

Another myth Hurr durr m1 carbine can't go through frozen clothing hurr hurr. It's been proven that a lot of this myth is attributed to marines and infantry using the m1 carbine beyond its effective range and straight up missing. But it's easier to blame the gun than you.

[@kyle18934]

Or they were shaking/being inaccurate from adrenaline pumping through them. At least for me I get a little shaky when full of adrenaline. I still shoot, just not quite as accurately

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

I would love to get those Chicom or NK level 3A+ winter coats

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

I remember when I took my old, bone stock 91/30 to the range. I was plugging pie plates off moderate rest at about 200 yards when this brass collector came up and started asking questions. "How much did you pay for that garbage rod?" "Why didn't you save for another month and get a brand new Remington model 700? You could be plugging tennis balls at 300 with yer eyes closed." So I told him he could go stand down there and tell me how inacurate it is to a Remington. Yes everyone clapped.

[@Noooo23523]

cool

[@johnniewalker877]

I’ve actually heard the M1 thing in documentaries before so it may have started out there. Also heard the Carcano myth from a JFK documentary.

[@talk4dews]

InRangeTV traced the origin of the myth to an encyclopedia written by a reputable soldier. Watch their video on it if you want, and you'll get more details than I can.

[@Quadrenaro]

@@talk4dews Cant find the video, do you know the name or it or have a link?

[@nednigglehorn6086]

That's why one of my favorite shirts is Ian from forgotten weapons shirt where it has all of the french victories and then says "only dropped once" because it's a funny play on it, showing the victories they truly had. It's a cool shirt.

[@jarchiec]

I did the empty chamber garand thumb ONCE... only ONCE. The thumbnail grew back. my pride took longer to grow back.

[@rocket_sensha4337]

"i'm on this picture and i don't like it"

[@whitespartan15]

Honestly French war machines are my favorite, the tanks and firearms for their times were top of the line.

[@SilverShamrockNovelties]

French tanks were well-made. Their employment was not tactically sound. The 1-man turrets on their tanks were later deemed a mistake.

[@elijahaitaok8624]

And the French are the reason we even have smokeless gunpowder

[@anthonyhayes1267]

I kinda have a soft spot for the fcm-36

[@kyle18934]

@@SilverShamrockNovelties their armor was great, but a lot of their guns were ww1 surplus cannons not meant for anti armor. This was during the great depression so it made sense for them to use the guns but it made it harder to fight tanks

[@Militaryarmschannel]

😂

[@offbrandthor7345]

Yo Mac let me get some 9mm 😂

[@gravygraves5112]

"Most countries won't issue their main line of defense and offense crap" - Ahhhhh, India, proving us wrong with the INSAS.

[@badwrench13]

The Ross was a POS, too.

[@TJ-pg6up]

...and Britain's issuing of the L85A1

[@colecullen7454]

TJ ya beat me to it!

[@user-qz2sw7pq8y]

nahat least they are using now ak 203

[@thatguy1080]

Keyword: Most.

[@N75911_]

The AK is slightly less accurate, but only due to the shorter sight radius. Which is about that of an M4 Carbine.

[@TheSuburban15]

And the post in notch sight picture isn't as good at range as the small peep of an M-16.

[@davidbarnhart6228]

N75911 Yep, way too short. Otherwise love AK.

[@ivandimovski4074]

The AK has a shorter barrel than the AR. The longer the barrel is the more accurate it is (there is a limit to this i just don't know what it is) the AK (i believe) has a barrel length of 41.5cm and a AR (the M-16) has.a length of 50.8cm. it is a difference of 9.3cm. Now that might not seem like much but it soes cause the gun to be a bit more accurate. But if they have new barrels it is virtually the same..

[@sarrumac]

Your rant on the french guns was epic dude.

[@TheDolphinlover4ever]

Thanks for the enlightenment I never have had the opportunity to touch a m1 so I didn’t know garand thumb wasn’t a thing

[@andycraig6905]

If your finger is on the round it can’t go up the feed ramp. People messing with them unloaded get garand thumb because there’s no round to retard the movement of the bolt.(edit: word usage)

[@TheSuburban15]

I was surprised at how difficult it was to get the bolt to strip a round from a full clip.

[@pedrowhack-a-mole6786]

Gotta love armchair armorers. Regurgitating fables and misconceptions, they have gleaned, with the "authority" their mighty intellect derives from their vast knowledge base.

[@spetsnazttv6724]

For the AK myth, a lot of it stems from the fact that insurgents cant hit the broad side of a barn regardless of their weapon. The users were so bad they gave the gun a bad rep.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

Just watch viedo was middle eastern conflicts, they don't use sights most the time, and occasionally not even the stocks.

[@wasteland-werewolf]

I thought the French's weaponry was modern but their tactics were outdated? They just weren't ready for blitzkrieg and had dug in for years long siege like in WW1.

[@jb76489]

Wasteland_Werewolf one big thing was the resistance of the French leadership to the use of radios. Even when they had them, there was a concern that interception of transmissions by the Germans would make them more trouble than they were worth.

[@RedLucarian]

The French dug in for a long defensive siege because they were at a massive population disadvantage. Germany had almost double the population of France. They thought that their only chance at victory was to dig in and defend, and they weren’t too wrong. The French also intercepted documents suggesting that the Germans were going to sweep through the Low Countries again, further reinforcing the idea that their plans were right. Unfortunately it was because of that that Germany decided to take the risk of going through the Ardennes.

[@Coconutscott]

They were also chronically undermanned. They were considered extremely brave fighters by every other army, and their partisans were some of the most vicious fighters of the war.

[@FBIAGENT725]

The entire idea for the maginot line was to be extended into belgium

[@rasiabsgamingcorner2258]

If you think about it humanity has always prepared for the war we just had not the war we are going to have in the future

[@smrts]

for gun myth number 2 I can't remember the comedian who said it but. "Look the french get a bad rap for surrendering all the time and that's not fair, it was really only the one time, but in all fairness that was kind of a big deal."

[@kevins1114]

I'll never forget one time when my grandfather heard a doofus ridiculing the French Army of WW2. He confronted the guy and asked him where he got his info. "Everybody knows they surrendered without a fight!" "Is that so?" grandpa asked, in his very heavy German accent."I was there, so I know better! The only reason they lost was because their communications were inferior to ours. Their soldiers fought with honor and bravery. They lost because their commanders were idiots who didn't bother to issue proper radio equipment, so orders did not get to the troops in time to keep up with changes in the battles. Do not discuss a subject about which you know nothing!"

[@angushobson4018]

I wish Mike was a history teacher!

[@martywhitevan]

i think he would be known as the cursing teacher

[@jacksonstory4773]

He would get fired because some kid would say some stupid shit.

[@andycraig6905]

ww2 history boii some snowflake would make sure of that. Firsthand experience, just graduated in may.

[@birdie021]

The ping MIGHT be a problem if: -You're having a one on one gunfight -You aren't wearing ear protection -You haven't fire your weapon, which would damage your hearing at least temporarily -The other guy fired all eight rounds at you, again, without you firing back

[@888nevik]

I dont think many people used ear protection in WW2

[@GustheGunGuy]

The earliest reference I know of to the "never fired, only dropped once" was in the movie Full Metal Jacket, when Cowboy was messing with the dead NVA soldier.

[@MikeB128]

Yeah I can see how mouth-breathing hanger-dodgers would adapt that to a French joke. That movie was a dumpster fire.

[@NotTheAverageBurner]

holy shit ive had my grand fathers old bolt action rifle for many years and never knew what it was until seeing this video. Its a carcano ! Thank you very much! As soon as i saw it on screen i got so excited! My dad told he we was full blooded Italian but I guess i never connected the dots.

[@isaachousley325]

Easiest way to dismiss the 03 springfield metallurgy issues: yes, when they first came out, earlier production guns had occasional problems with cracked receivers when proof fired at the factory. However, the rifles that are out there today passed that proof firing and subsequently 1000s of rounds over 100 plus years. If they are gonna blow up now, its because of age and wear (which will affect any serial range 03) and not because of poor casting quality a hundred years ago.

[@joemaimaron2701]

Yeah and with the heat treatment some of the low numbers would be fine if it was done on a cloudy day I have a Remington 03 but if I had a low number I’d just shoot it rarely a box or two of ammo won’t kill it

[@jonnowell4404]

My favorite m1 story is m1 lip a ww2 vet told of a guy that fell asleep on his rifle and got his lip caught in the bolt

[@kyle18934]

Oh man that would hurt lol.

[@raptorcell6633]

Oh FUCK that would sting

[@JasontheFolf]

*Insert Garand Thumb joke here*

[@prestonwilliam4935]

Insert lego yoda death sound here

[@MravacKid]

I've used two very different AK-47s in the Croatian army in the late '90s: in basic training what I think is a late-80s plastic furniture version of unknown provenience in pretty bad condition and later a '57 Russian one which was fantastically maintained and in excellent condition. With both of them I had no trouble at all putting 6 rounds into the center circle of the target (I think that's a 10 cm - about 4 inch - radius circle) after a few trial shots to see how much the aiming point is off.

[@green.reider]

I own a Carcano, and at first thought it was inaccurate, until I realized it was just hitting high off target. Once adjusted, easily 2in moa with open sights, and bear in mind I'm no marksman.

[@tykeith496]

The only person on the internet I considere to be an expert on guns is Ian from Worgotten Weapons

[@sawyernorthrop4078]

I'd add to that list Karl from InRange and Mike from GarandThumb

[@damonjohnson3469]

@@sawyernorthrop4078 i agree with both of you

[@KingdomOfApple]

Even Ian gets things wrong sometimes too, though. But what I like about him, besides his impressive knowledge and great videos, is that he’ll correct his mistakes or realise and admit when he may be incorrect about something. He’s easily my favourite gun channel.

[@jamesbisset9891]

@Kjs he never said they where useless in combat just outdated as an infantry rifle

[@509Gman]

I deleted “cheese eating surrender monkey” from my vocabulary after listening to “Blueprint for Armageddon”

[@uncletom-e4461]

On #5... Accuracy is a relative term. Most non-AKs I own (military semi-autos) typically shoot under 4 MOA with any ammo I feed them. The 3 AKs I have, ALL shoot similarly WITH higher quality ammo, BUT will shoot 6 MOA with junk CommBloc ammo. Note: My L1A1 and M1 Garland will consistently shoot 1.5-2 MOA with Federal Gold Cup or my reloads. The rest of your assessments are spot on !

[@ChodaStanks]

Hey im a huge French rifle fan too, they were the leading innovators for small arms from 1866-1918

[@MikeB128]

I'd say even later. The MAS 36 was a fantastic Bolt action rifle. I know at the same time the M1 was being tested, but I'll give them credit for the 36.

[@TheAlhouk57]

@@MikeB128 The MAS 38/39 was also a great design but then germany happened.

[@SJMORG]

@@TheAlhouk57 the kar98k right

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@SJMORG The invasion. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@NevilofMars]

I read about a gun guy that tested different bolt guns by overloading them until they blew up. Reportedly, the Arisaka was the only bolt action gun he could not blow up.

[@TheDolphinlover4ever]

You should really keep making long form stuff like this love your vibe I could listen to you talk forever

[@Gunn3r91697]

As some nerd who isn't super gun savvy, I have been finding your videos both super entertaining and informative. Keep up the awesome stuff Mike!

[@jtelevenoyd1571]

Props for your remarks re the unjustly maligned French Army, who seldom get anywhere near the credit they deserve. I'm nowhere near a history major, but basic literacy and a token amount of curiosity can lead into some pretty interesting territory. Worst I can say about the French is that their engineering, uh, may tend more towards the quirky on average than most other European nations' versions of that discipline. Won't comment on their small arms in particular because I know diddly/shit about them. Anyway: good video, cool channel; subscribed.

[@imapopo2924]

Yeah, I like to take the piss out of the French as much as the next guy, but I do have to concede that they were a very effective fighting force. Their main problem was that they were trying to fight the First World War while the Germans were fighting the Second. They were outmatched, out maneuvered, and over confident. And the Germans took advantage. It also didnt help that the French didnt extend the Maginot line across their border with Belgium as well... There were many reasons for that, including not wanting to piss off the Belgians, but I digress.

[@heckleypanes4988]

Engineering id agree on Mechanical (Armour and Aircraft) not on Arties or guns though not to mention french buildings are great

[@Mirokuofnite]

The only thing about the M1 ping where it might've started was probably in a close combat situation in a barn or building during a relatively quiet time. The solider might've basically got caught with their pants down and one round and the other German squad realized it and rushed him. But that is such a narrow 'what if brigade' situation that maybe the dozen or so times it happened 'or even just once' during the course of American involvement of WW2 seems to color this notion that the enemy always heard the ping, and it killed a bunch of GIs and lead to them throwing empty clips against walls. It's just folklore that kept getting perpetuated, and might make sense if you've only ever heard a M1 eject its clip on video or in relative quiet. A good test for this myth would be to go to a machine gun shoot, not wear ear pro, and when everyone is shooting at once stand by a M1 and see if you can hear the ping.

[@stevewilliams2895]

"the USGIS pinged garand clips on their helmets so the enemy thought they were empty" yea ok.

[@dreadnought8363]

The enemy surely thought:those heads are empty allright.

[@stevewilliams2895]

Haha true. That's like saying "us soldiers carry around an empty mag so they can drop it on the floor so the enemy thinks they are empty" if they are close enough to hear a mag dropped those guys are likely dug in like ticks if they are still engaging at that range

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

Even if this were the case, what fucking moron is going to jump out to attack? If one dude is empty, I dont think his buddy is just gonna wait for you to gun him down.

[@someduckwithanultimax6549]

People are pointing out that this idea is stupid because you wouldn’t hear it, but it also doesn’t work. I’ve tried. You can’t get a ping sound by hitting a garand clip on an M1 helmet, it’s more like a rattling sound, nothing at all like the ping from emptying the rifle - and it’s far quieter, too.

[@jamesslick4790]

Yeah, Didn't happen. It's bullshit.

[@ryanmurphy5091]

"Chicken fried fuck" is now my new favorite slang

[@seven-sixtwo762]

I swear French rifles are one of the most misunderstood milsurps out there

[@JosephDawson1986]

I have two things to add. One is the Carcano rifle. Honestly can't be that bad a rifle since a Carcano, specifically a Mannlicher-Carcano was the rifle used to assassinate JFK. The other is on the Garand Thumb. This is coming from my grandfather, a WWII, Korea and Vietnam vet with 30+ years in service, the cause of the bolt on the M1 sliding forward unexpectedly wasn't, from his experience, a design flaw but a user error. He said the only time he saw guys have the bolt close on their thumb is by being dumb and trying to load the rifle and close the bolt in quick succession. Basically thumb is still in the open port while simultaneously pushing the bolt forward with the misinformed Idea they had to hold the clip down while closing the bolt.

[@prestonmoore2209]

I have a few tired old clips that will load without a slap, but yea you have to have an empty magazine to catch your thumb in there,

[@TheTruePopeFrancis]

Guy: The AK is an inaccurate piece of shit. Mike B: No you!

[@Rooftop-Ali-BR]

My first rifle. A sks. I did get a "sks thumb" 😂👍

[@realxboxnoob3348]

💯

[@raptorcell6633]

Fucking hurts doesn't it?

[@byerboys2607]

My first was a nagant 9130 paid 79 bucks for it lmao then a Norinco sks and the same day got my first sks thumb lmao

[@TV_Bucks78]

My brother was in the military for 6 years. He was convinced that he could use parts from a 10/22 to a mini 14, just because they had the same firing model. I'm very sure I saved his life

[@threeforthsstudios]

Lol, I had someone who had a messed up M1 I assume, and whenever they put the clip inside the slide automatically slid forward. I bet it was super worn out or something. He had to always hold the slide back manually inorder to stop from it slamming on his finger. Not saying you are wrong, just telling a funny story of my friends defective rifle. lol

[@Task32]

Are you joking? Both are normal

[@Dsdcain]

As far as the French thing, it wasn't the average French soldier who quit the fight in WWII, it was the French leadership that gave up "so fast". For the most part French soldiers were pretty badass overall. There were those Foreign Legion guys that were pretty kick ass too.

[@widgren87]

Yeah, ask the guys fighting the Legionnaires if they thought the Lebels were bad rifles, although I do think the answer would be "We were to busy trying to kill and not be killed by them to care about that"...

[@FuzzyMarineVet]

The problems with Japanese and Italian military firearms wasn't the quality of the weapons, but the lack of marksmanship training in the various armies. The Japanese put most of their emphasis on the use of a bayonet and only perfunctory attention to shooting strait. That said, there were several individual Japanese soldiers who were expert marksmen and proved the quality of the Arisaka rifle. The quality of Italian marksmanship was catch as catch can depending entirely upon the quality of the officers. The only problem with French military firearms was the dismally criminal politicians who refused to allocate the funds to produce them in sufficient quantity to allow every soldier to use the latest service weapon. It wasn't the quality of the French soldiers or their equipment that cost the French the war in WWII, it was the political waffling that left those soldiers high and dry.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

No idea about the truth of this, but in China there's stories about how accurate the Japanese were. That might just mean the Chinese was even worse in marksmanship. Most Chinese units were very poorly equipped conscripts.

[@mrmikes21]

I love my Carcano M41, unfortunately the previous owner chopped the hand guard off, bent the bolt and tried to recrown it. But after actually recrowning it it has been nothing but an accurate rifle, I put a sling on it and it's a handy ranch truck gun for varmint. If you find a nice carcano get it.

[@Courier-Six]

See, what milsurp myth I always find hilarious is you have to be careful with Arisaka rifles since they have the supposed tendency to blow up. For the longest time people claimed this myth was propagated from the last dotch rifles lesser quality. What you never hear about though is the German arms going the exact same way at the end of the war. There is literally no reason any armed force would willfully arm their troops with an unsafe gun as what you gain in rapid production you lose in a dead soldier, poor morale, and an advancing enemy. This myth is the literal definition of judging a book by its cover.

[@pyrogothica3906]

The thing many fail to learn about last ditch rifles is that while the finish was of considerably lower quality, the actions were just a strong, the extra time to clean them up at the factory simply wasnt taken so they looked quite rough. For an arisaka to blow up on you, you have to be doing something wrong.

[@robertcross4444]

Could also be some guilty by association what with the short comings of the nambu type 14 pistol

[@Courier-Six]

@Pyro Gothica and @Robert Cross. I've owned both a sporterized Arisaka rifle and a last ditch rifle with the barely finished reciever and wooden buttplate. I'll honestly say that I felt more confident in my last ditch rifle as it was a numbers matching gun I found in a pawn show while the sporterized version was earlier but mismatched, gravely, and just felt all around worse. I love the Arisaka line because they are rugged as hell. They may not look the best but one rarely considers looks when picking a hunting gun. The only thing that ever kept them form becoming my regular hunting rifle for whitetail and resulted in them being sold was a lack of commercial ammunition production

[@johnjamieson6368]

There was something, may have been on "Forgotten Weapons" about arisaka training rifles. They were made of cast parts and never ment to be fired but would chamber a live round.

[@Courier-Six]

@@johnjamieson6368 as far as I can recall in my readings, they were kind of our equivelant to what we train boy scouts with. Because .22 wasn't exactly a common round in Japan, nor was the capacity to make it, these training rifles were built to a standard that could handle very mild loads with a wooden bullet in the casing. This would simulate firing the rifle, train students how to shoot and operate the rifle, and be an excellent aid for military drills. It just so happens some GIs managed to get their hands on them and mistakenly believed they were standard military rifles. I can't remember exactly where I read this some years back but there was a picture of these very odd looking bullets with what looked like steel casings and a wooden bullet. I could be mistaken though as this article was at minimum written over a decade ago when I was still in high school and reading most of my gun mags while at my barber

[@pearldragonz]

I used to have a Romanian AK variant. I happened to come across an AK scope mount so figured why not and put a cheap Weaver 4X scope on it. Sighted it in off a bench rest with cheap surplus ammo. It held a consistent 1.5 inch group. Not a tack driver but more than accurate enough.

[@bretttogalumos217]

Never heard the m1 ping one, thats actually funny because the U.S trained our troops to listen for German MGs, if not under direct fire so they could flank them.

[@thecowardlyrussian5424]

One part about the m1 thumb myth is that they didn't pull the bolt far enough back to where it locks in place. Instead it sits on the slide and when you put the clip in, the bolt closes and doesn't latch onto the clip as Mike said, and slams your thumb into the chamber

[@MikeB128]

If the bolt is sitting forward like you say, you won't be able to get the clip in.......

[@byutube4360]

6. “You can’t shoot modern hunting loads through a Garand without a special screw.”

[@jacobs9483]

you can just over gasses the rifle causing potential damage

[@jacobs9483]

1903 is different because its not a gas system

[@andycraig6905]

You shouldn’t. You can but you will have issues with the op-rod. Shot some 150 grains at 2950 fps and bent one.

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

I wouldn't call that a Myth. Even though a Garand can fire some modern 30-06 loads just fine, but people have had bent op-rods from modern 30-06. Its basically a classic example of someone taking a kernel of truth and exaggerating it. However, what a lot of fudd boomers base this off of is another myth about the M1 Garand. And that myth is "The M1 Garand can not shoot modern ammo because it was designed around m2 ball ammo". Which is false. The M1 Garand was adopted in 1936 by the US Army, M2 ball ammo wasn't developed until 1938, two years after the adoption of the M1 Garand. How the hell can a gun designed around ammunition that didn't exist until two years after the rifles adoption?

[@roughrdr]

InRangeTV (Ian from forgotten weapons second channel) did a test showing without using a modified/adjustable gas check modern ammo will cause the action to cycle faster than with typical milsurp ammo, potentially leading to op rod failure.

[@tangydiesel1886]

Two glock myths I keep hearing are 1) they won't set off a metal detector (thanks to diehard) and 2) that you can't dry fire them. I hand them one and both those myths go away pretty quick.

[@analogludite9575]

I don't own a Glock, but don't you have to dry fire it to separate the slide from the frame? 🤔

[@pelinalwhitestrake8195]

I think the "Never Fired only dropped once" was a meme from a history page as a joke and people went with it. My great great grandfather fought the French at Verdun he said he respected the French since they held out so long

[@GustheGunGuy]

It's originally from the movie Full Metal Jacket, and refers to an AK wielded by some NVA

[@sirexris935]

‘’The Whole Chicken Fried Fuck’’ must be the *best* insult ever.

[@Gopnik57]

Ak-47 Is InAcUrAte Sure buddy, take an M-16/ AR-15 from the factory, give it 50 fucking years, let some arabic bush wookies re forge the barrel and with that destroy the fucking harmonix/rifling and so fourth and let me see how well you can hit a broadside barn at 20m

[@ericbuxton711]

I’m still dropping white tails with my grandpas old low # 1903. Love these videos!

[@robertk5113]

Love me some Arisaka. Still need to find a Carcano one day..

[@hoosierua]

"How the Chicken Fried Fuck!?" - Mike B.

[@WolfiesHub]

Again, I love watching the videos because it's like you've embodied /k/

[@finallyfriday.]

Did I miss- garand ping? The guy can reload so fast you'd still be trying to scramble to your feet to charge the guy before he's ready to plug you.

[@MikeB128]

The M1 doesn't fucking "ping" from being loaded. Go be an idiot elsewhere.

[@sapper12b68]

French firearms are soooo cool they made some real cool inovations

[@rocket_sensha4337]

"Idiot proof mas 36 bayonet"

[@sapper12b68]

@@rocket_sensha4337 good ol French finger trap

[@raptorcell6633]

@@rocket_sensha4337 the thing about idiot proof is that its relative, think about the dumbest person you know, no matter what there will be someone out there who is dumber than that.

[@yaboikungpowfuckfinger7697]

I’ve also hear a rumor from some Poles I once shot with that people think AKs are inaccurate because people aren’t zeroing iron sights correctly for the distance they’re shooting...

[@CanuckBacon]

"Usually a country wont issue a rifle that's complete horsecrap as their main rifle..." *cough* *cough* Canada... *cough* Ross Rifle... *cough* *cough*

[@MikeB128]

Yeah but it was very short lived and the No1 MKIII was the standard issue. The Ross is a great target rifle, but not so good in actual warfare settings.

[@joshy7759]

I was thinking L85A1, but like he said, theres always going to be exceptions anyway.

[@bottlerockets94]

I agree with you, but I just wanna point out that the FAL is a short stroke gas piston. I’m just obsessed with FALs is all

[@MikeB128]

Bother reading the description?

[@alwaystinkering7710]

That's a really nice MAS36, I've decided I want one.

[@JerryEricsson]

I recall back in "the day" you could get those old MAS36's for not a lot of change, they even sold them that were bored out to .308 so you could get ammo, however I have read that they were a bit on the dangerous side unless the whole barrel was bored out because the French 7.5 was a bit smaller then the 7.62 (do you think?) and they could develop rather high pressure. This was back in the 70's when Shotgun News was the place to find guns of all shapes and sizes!

[@popuptarget7386]

@@JerryEricsson most MAS 7.5 barrels have slugged out at .3075 inch. Unless you are loading hot, they should work fine with .308 ammo.

[@MikeB128]

@@popuptarget7386 Bullets, not ammo...I use .308 projectiles, but the case dimensions are totally different and unless it's one of those Century hackjobs that was converted to .308 Win, use the correct 7.5x54 ammo.

[@popuptarget7386]

@@MikeB128 yes, I was refering to the MAS rifles rechambered to .308 but didn't specify. The cartridges are not interchangeable.

[@MikeB128]

@@popuptarget7386 Perfect. Just wanted to make sure nobody had an issue at the range with one of these awesome rifles.

[@yannickramouillet3742]

Thank you for the France part, greetings from your oldest ally 😉 Here in France not only Carcanos are one of the cheapest rifle but it is also entirely free to buy, no registration required, just be over 18 and buy it without background check, without permit,etc.

[@jamesslick4790]

ONE of the most popular?, LOL IIRC, "AK" type rifles had the highest production of any rifle in history.

[@raptorcell6633]

1 in 5 Small Arms in the entire world is some form of Kalashnikov, so yeah, they are kinda popular

[@0livegarden745]

Mauser family is the most produced

[@SierraBravo347]

"Chicken fried fuck".....I'M STILL LAUGHING at that one 🤣

[@Dave-in-MD]

The wishful thinking on the sights going out to 1000 yards reminds me of car speedometers. The speedometer goes to 150 mph so the car must go that fast. Right?

[@TheWombat2012]

To be fair, if a guy is shooting at you 1000 yards away with a large bore rifle, I’d be worried unless I had some solid cover. There’s always the chance he might hit you.

[@michaelbeaman892]

"a LITTLE ranty?"...LOL. You? Never. Here is what my grand dad (44th I.D. ETO, '44-'45) told me when I got my first Garand. The M1 thumb thing was from new kids in boot camp who had never handled one before, and the WW2 G.I. F.M. states to release the bolt after clearing or assembly with JUST the right hand, holding the op rod back with the "knife edge" of the hand while pressing the round follower down with the thumb. According to him it was here that it happened, and it most guys learned the first time. From one Mike B to another.