Fallout New Vegas - The Infamous Marko

(311) The New Vegas Bounties trilogy concludes.
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** No, this isn't really multiplayer. It's just video-editing magic.
Death's Last Whisper
YaYeet
Fellout
Weapons of the New Millennia
Courier Vests
Helpless Falling
Quick Hacking
The Groovatron NV
PipBoy 2500
No NPC Compass Ticks
Killable Kids
Bubba Shot the Jukebox
NCR Doggie Buddies
lStewieAl's Tweaks
Nonstop - Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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[@mikeburnfire]

Re-upload, you know the drill. (LifelessTooth) The thrilling conclusion to the New Vegas series! Zach must face his greatest foe of all time: Schizophrenia 👍1700 (Devixian) The entire series up until now. Zach had hated companions. 17 minutes in, and I had just watched him try to commit necromancy in desperation to get a companion...Zachs character arc folks. 👍913 (Milo King) I feel like this is how Zach's therapist feels, having to watch him have a conversation with himself and "Stanley" 👍1200 (The GentlemanPirate) "I don't fear failure, so much as being unoriginal , " he said, while completely copying Ulysses' whole shtick of being holier-than-thou about the Courier and their methods. 👍1000 (Gavin D) As soon as Mike goes away, it turns into an episode of Freeman's mind. Zank's mind. I love it. 👍453

[@josephhelgersonjoseph6115]

For future reuploads, I suggest using Steve Burnside’s face or Treasure Panda as the censor.

[@ham5487]

Just letting you know that there's a swear word in the first few seconds. I'm pretty sure that's a monetisation no-no in the new rules

[@bloop1152]

@@ham5487 Also the r-word, because there are now tens of millions of people whose development was slowed and impeded by top-down policies.

[@TheDiner50]

It is just sad and hateful that the alphabet do this. Like there is so much shit on the platform but people just goofing around and having fun in a old video game? Words are not enough. I hope this videos are saved in original form and can be published in the future. Not expecting the raw recordings and project files to be around. But just the files that went up on KZbin like 5+ YEARS ago without any problems. It is like we are all 8 year olds and the alphabet (grate name btw fits well) have to take out mean words. Even now anyone under aged have no businesses on the internet to being with. Aint it funny how Google. We respect you just as much as you do us.

[@bloop1152]

@@TheDiner50 There's always alternatives, like Rumble, which have a little monetization but a lot more freedom, and creator input on the rules.

[@ryanjones_rheios]

"I dread being unoriginal," He says, while being entirely unoriginal.

[@josephmcneil6980]

Marko says he fears being unoriginal yet he does the same thing that happens to you in the beginning of the game

[@axelpeone8600]

yeah only difference is it was bullet

[@hungcuong606]

@@axelpeone8600 the only thing different is where he shoot he shot the hand instead of the head kinda wish he did shot the head though so we don’t have to hear to his yabbing

[@dragonfell5078]

He's trying to be Benny except I'd actually want to sleep with Benny

[@lsfaraone]

And let's not forget him basically copying Ulysses in monologuing forever about the very basic ass concept of just that actions have consequences, like no shit. NVB really gives off Mass Effect vibes in that the journey is fantastic, only diminished by the destination where it just spits in your face as it acts like it's more profound than it really is if you bother to think about it for more than two seconds.

[@dr.bright6272]

He's also a coward.

[@RuSosan]

If a character is it's writer's "brain child" then Marko was a goddamn miscarriage that was flushed down the toilet, clogged the pipes and floated back up covered in sewage and pube shavings.

[@Helljumper_Fanatic]

Couldn't say it better myself. It's a shame too because the previous bounty targets was nowhere near as terribly written as Marko.

[@sergeantheavyass3471]

Honestly i wouldnt even mind if the mod just let me snipe the bastard at the end instead of forcing me to talk to him. Because not getting his cool confrontation is exactly what would piss that bastard off the most and it would atleast make me feel somewhat good.

[@mangosteak]

@@sergeantheavyass3471 Yeah. We only need him dead. If I had a chance I would have killed him with my anti material rifle using an armor piercing round, an incindiary round or an explosive round from 50000milea away. Maybe Archimedis 2 for flavor. Or my LEGION ALLIGNED CHARAKTER would just have massacerd the whole town including Marco and his goons just to hand the region to the legion

[@dragonfell5078]

@@sergeantheavyass3471 It's especially frustrating as a Very Evil character. All his moral chest-thumping falls flat when you're the type of person to commit genocide for fun. Hell, I only wanted to get rid of him so I wouldn't have competition. On that note, why the hell would the NCR trust me at this point? Like even setting aside the mods I used to cover Hoover Dam in the Cloud, they should at least be wary of the guy they Vilified and branded a terrorist.

[@kouriier6112]

idk i kinda like how marko is always one step ahead and knows how dangerous the courier can be

[@officialromanhours]

I remember the first time I fought Marko. His first shot took off a third of my health bar, then I did a bunch of drugs and killed him with Chance's Knife in under 10 seconds. Most disappointing boss fight I've ever had.

[@TurtleMythic1251]

Ah yes, Zach faces his greatest foe, schizophrenia, can't remember who said this but it was so true

[@hungcuong606]

Too many stealth boy i said

[@xanderwalker4701]

Man I didn't even get into the video before laughing come on bro

[@sparkymist]

*zach

[@TurtleMythic1251]

@@sparkymist Fixed it

[@Juber777]

Lifeless Tooth said it, so says Mike in his comment....

[@Neflame]

Marko is probably the greatest example of a common theme with a lot of NV mod authors: completely missing the point of Ulysses. And to put it simply the ultimate point of Ulysses is this: he is wrong. Not just about the courier but wrong about pretty much everything he believes. But instead what most seem to take away from him is his holier-than-thou attitude towards the courier without engaging in WHY Ulysses has that attitude towards the courier to begin with. Don't get me wrong Ulysses is absolutely a long-winded ass, that is the entire point. But part of what, I think, ultimately makes him a good character is this: the writers know he is wrong. The writers are not on his side. Which seems to be the opposite case for someguy2000 and Marko.

[@hungcuong606]

The funny thing is someguy hate Ulysses but make a clone of Ulysses that is 100 times worse

[@VexdinLord]

@@hungcuong606 Maybe Someguy wanted to "improve" on Ulysses but missed the point of his character all together.

[@Victor-Baxter]

Another facet of Super Markio and other Ulysses-lite characters terribleness, is the authors not recognising that the complexity of Ulysses is that he’s a discussion, and beyond that he’s correct in his observations, but flawed in his conclusions. The conflict between himself and the courier is secondary to the debate between the two characters on the nature of responsibility and free will. Ulysses believes and argues for Determinism, that all actions are determined ahead of time due to the nature of events preceding it, which is why he hates the courier for what they represent rather than who they are, because he can only see people as involuntary actors - that’s why he’s so obsessed with the courier for blowing up Hopeville regardless of the Courier’s intentions, because he does not believe individuals have the free will for intentions to affect their consequences. And that’s why he wants to blow up the NCR - he believes it’s inevitable that it should fail, ergo it should be destroyed sooner rather than later to hasten the evolution of society away from what he perceives to be the failure of the NCR. He makes some great observations, but ultimately his thesis is flawed, because the courier can point out that Ulysses is actively participating and should he stop interfering, due to either either Ulysses’ choice or the Courier’s actions, then the fate of the NCR is not assured. Conversely the Courier “debates” in favour of free will, being the literal player character of an open world rpg, holding that the will of individuals is what determines an unknown future. The actions of individuals ripples throughout history, and that the actions of individuals determines the future. This is the one true consistency across all FNV playthroughs; whether it’s Yes Man or NCR’s more democratic ideals of “History from below”, or House or Caesar’s autocratic “Great Man/Heroes history” - the individual is the one driving force of history. That’s why no matter the conclusion of Lonesome Road, whether the courier stops or launches the nukes, it’s the individual who made the history. In the end *one of them must win the debate* - the Courier. Ulysses and his ideas are vanquished through violence or through words, fulfilling the thesis of the courier in which the actions of individuals determine the fate of all, including mighty nations. There’s a lot to be said about it, but ultimately it’s a philosophical debate, which awards Ulysses complexity *despite being wrong.* Marko on the other hand is just edgy and shallow, and is functionally a figurative rock which cannot budge. There’s nothing intelligent with which to engage with, he’s simply a force of himself. There is no debate of ideals, no grander motivations, just the butting heads of egotistical maniacs. The shallowness is why Marko fails, because he offers nothing for the player to debate with. Oh, also his voice acting is dogshit on its own, let alone compared to Ulysses

[@barthvader95]

Doesn't Ulysses represent Chris Avellone's thoughts on the setting though? Of course Avellone's but one man, but you can't say all the NV writers considered him in the wrong.

[@VexdinLord]

@@barthvader95 I think they meant he's wrong about the Courier. The courier isn't responsible for Hopeville since they were just doing a job and had no way of knowing that they were carrying something that would trigger nuclear Armageddon.

[@AlbertoSantosDumont819]

Love that lil "hi zack" spirit whisper when he enters the graveyard. Nice

[@Nomed38]

The exiting spirit whisper of "bye Zach. Don't forget to put the toilet seat down" was nice also.

[@WingMaster562]

For future viewers: 36:08 and 41:01 Also it just hit me that Mike is dead here....

[@GhostBear3067]

All I got from this is that the two guys in the barbershop survived and that is a win in my book.

[@kinagrill]

And apparently killing a child-slavery-selling bitch was bad because she was pregnant of all things...

[@kinagrill]

So Marko is just Benny, but with badly-interpreted Ulysses flavor on top and Cutscene-OP powers of control and removal of player agency when it comes to having access to SPECIALs speech choices, Skill Speech-choices, etc. You can literally Barter Lanius into retreating and Outlogic Ulysses, but you cannot see through Marko or respond to any of the bullshit he says. This mod series well and truly walked 999 miles of the distance, then stumbled and fell halfway through the final mile for that 1000-mile endurance run... and that ruins it for me. to even being able to enjoy the earlier parts now when I know how it ends. Yes there was a ton of work put into the whole mod series, but with the utter lack of player agency the moment Marko comes in, it just gives me bad railroading vibes.

[@barthvader95]

Everyone's reposting old comments, might as well do the same: Lukewarm take: Marko and the climax as a whole would be much less frustrating if it wasn't so... one-size-fits-none. The bittersweet/downer ending would be more salvageable if it acknowledged player choices. The most visible aspect of it is the whole "the Courier's convinced that he's a goodie-two-shoes, BUT HE IS NOT!!!1". It doesn't fucking work for an evil character, or even a neutral one with occasional pangs of conscience (like Zach and Mike). It also involved Someguy retconning a prostitute-frequenting madman with a sniper rifle into a husband that gave a shit about his wife, but that's its own can of worms... But there's more to it than that: the line that "if you're a patriot of the NCR, this must really sting" sticks out too -- what if I'm not? What if I'm just doing their quests because they have the most of them and I want caps? What if I'm actually an ardent Legion supporter? Would a reputation check be that hard to code? If (rep.legion>neutral) printf("And getting rid of an important Legion agent was a neat bonus"). There's also the whole "oh, I'm sure you have a quip but it doesn't matter" -- what if I don't have a quip? What if I do but I don't want to bother? And even if I do, preemptive comments, plural, about it just make Marko come off as insecure and doubting, despite all the proclamations to the contrary. If I can enter fix-fic territory: put this whole thing behind a speech check. Make it moderately high, just to bait the player into a sense of familiarity, and then have the guy go "...so what if I'm inconsistent? I put down everyone that pointed it out." On top of that, the whole "COURIER IS TRAUMATIZED" angle is hard to sell when the only evidence of that trauma is a text box telling you that you're traumatized. A focus on physical wounds would work much better... sorry, worked much better, since the mod gives you a debuff that turns to a perk when you get back to the Mojave. Just to wrap this up, let's mention the content that ended up on the cutting room floor -- to complete the overarching The Great Silence reference, the Courier was supposed to have a female love interest that'd die with all the townies. I guess Utah air would make lady-Couriers unexpectedly bi-curious. TL;DR It's not bad in principle, it's just written like shit.

[@ForestGreenSharpie]

I think related is the problem of the author trying to tell you what you feel. half of markos dialogue is telling us how we feel which is a very forced and unnatural way to convey emotion that doesn't work if you don't feel exactly how he says you do.

[@barthvader95]

Yeah, this dissonance between what you feel and what you're _supposed_ to feel is jarring enough that you're completely taken out of the story, and begin to dig for more imperfections.

[@mayalewis2956]

even worse when the people the courier killed in the wanted quests were mostly some of the most evil people there could be and yet the game had marko "guilt trip" them with the only dialogue choices being childish or plain dumb

[@barthvader95]

@@mayalewis2956 Yeah, I briefly touched it by mentioning Quigley in my original comment -- other lovely examples include the Courier's unforgivable uhhhh _self-defense against an assassin with an anti-material rifle_ because he had a daughter and didn't fucking consider he could meet his match and so she became a prostitute or whatever aND THIS IS YOUR FAULT YOU ARE LITERALLY EQUAL TO THE CARTOONISH BOOGEYMAN OF THE WASTES. Shit, if you're doing stupid retcons like this, why stop there? Alex from NVB I ran a soup kitchen for the people of Freeside, the Judge adopted multiple orphans from the streets, Jacob Powers just wanted ghouls to be treated fair and _you killed them, you monster!!1111_

[@kinagrill]

Full agreement. There's also the utter lack of any player agency because 'Marko so Big and Strong and Kewl'. Here's a cute and rather bitter moment that comes from trying to play neutral but still favoritize factions - if you go and make peace between the Kings and the NCR, but choose the House Path... House goes and just exterminates the Kings for being NCR allied... and that's YOUR fault as the player. And goodsprings if you go NCR route? slowly dies out cuz unable to deal with the whole taxation thing and outskirts-town lifestyle they had prior to NCR control. But nah, who needs complex choices when you can have 'Mario', oh excuse me, 'Marko'. Imagine if there actually was depth to this... and imagine if the 'ha ha funny idiot-INT character' thing was taken further so Marko is just baffled how an utter moron barely able to walk AND remember to swallow their saliva has become such a massive thorn in his side. But no, sadly we dun have a whole Fallout 1/2 thing with full playpath of 'dumbass' voicelines... which is also sad it wasn't really there for all of New Vegas either, but hey, 18 months to finish the game and all.

[@f4lloutgaymer]

If you generally play a Morally Good character, all the ~elooongggated~ dialog from Marko saying how horrible we are/were would not upset us, because none of it is true. And if we are playing as a Morally Evil character-as Marko is supposed to be-we won't care about "all the atrocities we did". Because we are Eeeeevillll. So we applaud our atrocities. If anything we would be confused as to why Marko finds all the despicable deeds we did, (most not even as bad as him) to be morally bad, and he is ashamed of us. Makes no sense. And as a Neutral Character, we also wouldn't really care, because we're neutral, and shit happens. Some guy did some fun early mods with New Vegas Bounties 1, and pretty good with Bounties 2, but he royally screwed the ball with Bounties 3. Marko is not frightening. He is, as Zach shows in the first 20 minutes, annoying, boring, badly contrived, and just. shut. up. Then in the Graveyard, Marko says he's not afraid of anything (paraphrasing), and that the Courier will simply be forgotten, yet Marko will be remembered forever. All of that boring, annoying, diatribe is actually Marko stating what he fears the most. That no one will actually remember him. That he will be forgotten. And a small part of me thinks that is what Someguy thinks about himself. That no one will remember him. That no one wants to befriend him. That he will die alone, and forgotten. The entire Marko character and dialog is just shoved down our throat. And we just don't care. Zach had it right. "Shut up! Shut up! Shut. the. f-ck. up!" Love ya, Zach. I also know the Dealing with Tragedy, and having ADHD. I truly do. 😔 Be Excellent and Party on, good sirs. 🤘🎸😎🌈

[@kinagrill]

Issue is also that we lose random player agency so big bad guy can actually manage to take us down for a while. It's like the intro to New Vegas (aka. Benny got control and took us down cuz pre-game and now cutscene.... which is fine, no player control yet)... .just horridly at the end of a mod series and does bullshit 'Fallout 3 GECK vault' cutscene boobytrap that the player can neither disarm, avoid, or even sneak past with the literal Perk of sneaking-so-traps-do-not-trigger, etc. It's such a bad developer-thing to take away game-control from the player so a game-event can happen forcibly. Like just about any FPS game nowadays where you mow your way 500 badguys, but because you need to get captured and tortured for a while, we need cutscene where mook-511 takes you down or 'badguy-5' knocks you out because 'player agency? what's that!?'.

[@f4lloutgaymer]

@@kinagrill Y-y-y-yep. 👍👍

[@PearangeProductions]

49:11 I just realized: the test pattern has the red strip missing. And in every single thumbnail on the channel, red is used for Mike. And when you realize that Mike _died_ in this episode...well, I think you get what I'm implying by now. *_Mike, Zack, you beautiful cheeky bastards._* _(This is a repost of my comment on the original upload. I hate that these were forced to be reuploaded, but sometimes sacrifices have to be made.)_

[@bloop1152]

Only if one likes bad knees. I don't agree with this soft censorship approach. I find it reprehensible. If human trafficking could be assigned as infrared on the EM spectrum, I would rate this a solid amber-orange. So what if they're a 'PrIvAtE cOmPaNy'? The US Federal government subsidizes them, as do their investors, and they in turn seek a monopoly on the video hosting space, if not in totality then certainly in market share, which makes them a de facto market and public square.

[@PearangeProductions]

@@bloop1152That was a bit more verbose than neccesary, but I think I got the gist. KZbin is definitely doing some shady shit (for the umpteenth time), but unfortunately the creators on the platform just have to lie down and take it. There's no other way around it right now.

[@dragonfell5078]

What happened to the original video?

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

@@dragonfell5078 it got age restricted

[@WingMaster562]

Retake my like again

[@AamitMorthos]

I absolutely loved this bit of just Zack bc of how interesting it was to see Zack alone in this state of mind. Definitely my favorite part of this series.

[@dragonfell5078]

By the time I had gotten around to doing New Vegas Bounties 3, I was doing a Very Evil modded playthrough where I sided with Elijah, covered Hoover Dam and Mojave Outpost in the Cloud and basically had an army of holograms at my beck and call. At this point Marko seemed so insignificant compared to my designs for the Mojave that I was basically just there to remove competition. The Mojave isn't big enough for the two of us, after all. When you do a Very Evil playthrough a lot of Marko's moral chest-thumping falls flat on its ass. I very thoroughly enjoyed blowing his ass up with an army of Holograms though. When I discovered that you could pay Brookshire a visit at the NCR embassy it was the most satisfying shit I've ever done. Strolled in there, aired out the embassy and listened to him plead that "killing him would make me an enemy of the NCR" My brother in Christ I am the terrorist that rendered Hoover Dam uninhabitable. I have slaughtered hundreds of NCR troopers and civilians alike just for the hell of it. Do you think that I'm going to give two shits about what they think of me now? Anyways I still enjoyed NVBIII, 8/10

[@kylemiller3327]

Is there a post end mod for the dead money dlc ending when you side with Elijah?

[@dragonfell5078]

@@kylemiller3327 the mod I used is called Masters of the Madre, where after completing Dead Money you not only can return to the Sierra Madre but also do quests for Elijah in which you gas the Hoover Dam with the Cloud

[@barthvader95]

Lukewarm take 2: why do you even get an option to kill Marko? It's obvious that Someguy wants to tell a story where you _lose_. You get outfoxed, you eat crow, revenge is unsatisfying, you can't do shit about shit. Even if you kill Marko, both he and the ending slides go "uhhh, it was pointless actually, his legend persists". But at the same time, it allows you to crawl out of the grave a second time, murder a posse of amoral bounty hunters that wiped out an innocent-ish town, and successfully track down and kill the mastermind behind it all. True, he talks your ear off about how it's all pointless and he won -- but then you murder him on the spot. The feared dreaded boogeyman haunting the wasteland that literally made it his goal to break you died by your hand and you live to tell the tale. That's straight up something to put in one of these dime novels that are apparently written about the Courier in that continuity. But no, it needs to be depicted as a loss because otherwise it'd invalidate the point of the mod. And it feels like an easy thing to fix -- don't do the climactic confrontation. The Courier goes to the graveyard but Marko did his thing and fucked off, and your physical wounds make it impossible to pursuit him. Railroady? Yes, but hey, we've already been railroaded this long, what's one more scene?

[@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong]

Also, the entire thing is predicted on this weird idea that you like, give a shit about you legacy, despite the MOD ITSELF giving you opportunities to express how little you care. You can shrug off the fact that novels are being written about you. You can humbly correct the mythos that's been built up around taking down guys like Red Bear and Sergio. You can show mercy time and time again, choosing kindness over building your own legacy and even stand firm in that belief against someone who thinks differently. And... None of that matters. No matter what you do, who you kill and spare, or how you act, Marko's entire schtick is just "ooo you're a big mean killer with a big legend you tooootally care about, and I'm totally kicking your ass by showing you up right now, ooo". Like, for him, the Courier killing Sergio was one of the biggest moments of his life, a turning point where he hatches an entire plan to draw me out and break me. For the Courier, it's literally just a thing that happens while you're on a totally different job.

[@mayalewis2956]

most wastelanders who heard of the courier would laugh at markos claims at being a legend lol

[@kinagrill]

The mod literally forgets the whole baseline idea of Fallout New Vegas - Player. Agency. Control over your own fate, allows your skills and SPECIALS to have an actual effect, hell the mod actually makes use of Idiot-level INT cuz 'ha ha funny', but that just means Marko is blabbering on to a simpleton that seem to work mostly on autopilot in terms of being able to walk, shoot, etc. and barely able to focus enough to string words together. But of course, you cannot be allowed to have actual player control of anything nono... it's not like it's fallout NEW VEGAS or anything... ya know ,the game you can literally go and out-philosophy-logicbomb Ulysses... or use Barter of all skills to talk down Lanius into retreating. But some random schmuck-badguy that is 'so kewl and amazing and legend-enduring'? oh yeah sure, THAT guy of all people clearly should be allowed to just take away any and all player-agency. You can't even retort or counter-argue any of his ridiculous points. Hell it'd have worked if it was Marko being jealous and trying to take out the Courier at the START of the mod series.... and you just go on a hell-bent revenge.... but that's just the Benny-plot all over again.

[@kinagrill]

@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong It was just Tuesday for the Courier? :P

[@dr.bright6272]

The whole thing with Glanton was annoying but at least Ester didn't get to run away again

[@Koppu1doragon]

49:19 Oh you have no idea how -bad- it will be. And thus began the saga of Zach playing Fallout Mods, none of which he enjoyed.

[@thebigidea9659]

Good lord I forgot how obnoxious Marko was.

[@zantanzuken]

right? like... the entire time, his stupid monologue was just making me wish he'd DO what he's talking about instead of telling me about it... like... seriously... shoot me with the rest of em. the entire time he's explaining burying someone alive i just keep thinking 'wouldn't it be more effective to NOT tell someone about it before you do it? you aren't getting any information out of me you're just torturing me for the sake of it, and you talking is torturing me even worse.'

[@hungcuong606]

The entire sequence is just terrible Marko just keep yapping on and on about being holier than thou that the player either don’t care or can easily dispute that bs but no we aren’t allowed to talk about the choices that the mod kinda railroad us into in the first place. And then execution part, the mercenaries can’t hit the broadside of a barn if their lives depend on it making the thing even more painful to watch. and the fact that we can’t even skip it like why ?

[@thebigidea9659]

@@zantanzuken I was liking the mod until you meet Marko. He just feels like someone's edgy OC who even in death is better than your character.

[@zantanzuken]

@@thebigidea9659 i think part of the biggest problems with these mods is that they assume you're starting out as an end-of-the-game 'i've done everything and seen everything' kinda character... the frontier did the same thing, where everyone knows the main character as this mythical 'courier' even if you literally just stepped out of the grave... at least with this mod its the third in a series, and for the most part, yeah its good!... but this whole thing... all of your followers get pema'd, all the people you interacted with in town die, you're forced to listen to a long monologue from 'marko' (who indeed looks like a bitch, rather than some hardened killer you've been chasing this entire time...), i'm honestly suprised the mod didn't take away all of your equipment too.

[@renaigh]

this guy could chew Caesar's ear off.

[@travus111]

Zack's ADHD is fully showcased in this

[@im_flat]

Take a shot every time he says "shut up!"

[@mangosteak]

I don't have ADHD and his reaction is relatable. Marco was BORING and it is a bossfight I can't fight on my owm terms, which goes completely against the spirit of new vegas. I can shoot the final boss of the game from half across the map, mine his path, kill him in a proper duel or bludgen him to death with a golf club. And here you have to fight on his terms. I can't do what every single logicaly thinking person would do, shoot him from far away. And his atitude is shit.

[@konstantin3001]

This is so awesome in context, though. Remember the NO SIGNAL screen pattern? It is, canonically, the use of the time machine. And now... The pattern is missing red color. Mike's color, from every thumbnail on this channel. And the last one to disappear is a blue one.

[@PearangeProductions]

And here I was, thinking that _I_ was the only one to have noticed that neat little detail!

[@NukaChloe76]

Can anyone make a version of marko where HE SHUTS UP AND TRIPS ON A BRICK THAT SHATTERS HIS VOCAL CORDS

[@flammingmess874]

I didn't realize it was a reupload so I just thought for a moment Mike got killed and get Isekai into the Skyrim universe

[@unknownindividual6323]

Elder scrolls universe 🤓

[@absol-lutezero5309]

not gonna lie i thoguht thats what was gonna happen they were gonne get t the end of New California and wake up in skyrim

[@kyosokutai]

Jesus, Marko looks like he was rendered in Oblivion before arriving in Nevada. edit: also, marko is... projecting. Hard. It's almost painful to listen to.

[@ijustworkhere1008]

Marko was right about one thing: by the end of his rambling Zach was wishing for death just so he’d finally shut up

[@MKhelobUltra]

i forgot how bad the end cemetery looked, really nailing the sense of overwhelming scale and death at the end of the good the bad and the ugly

[@MeadyBeard]

This sounds frighteningly similar to how I sound when I'm home alone and gaming after a couple of glasses of whisky.. Neighbor once asked me if I had people over when the wife was away. His face when I told him I was drunk-gaming.

[@ZSchrink]

Lord, I forgot how bad the ending was....

[@randomguyblank1616]

As a comment in the last upload mentioned, its ironic that someguy2000 adamantly hates Ulysses, but Marko is basically what he thinks Ulysses is, and he still plays it seriously. For the sake of brevity, Ulysses does not think he's better than the courier, he hates the reason for the courier blowing up hopeville more than the act itself, Ulysses is wrong about you and you prove him wrong to get him to join you. I'm also tired of the "Bear Bull Bear Bull" meme because I think its making fun of someone's way of speaking when English isn't their first language.

[@hungcuong606]

I am tired of those meme as well as the legion don’t use technology or don’t have taxes The legion don’t like relying on tech but they still use them when they need it, they collect taxes it called tribute in the legion Or the NCR meme about general oliver, president kimball and Hanlon where they treat it like Hanlon like some kind of master strategist even though the guy would retreat immediately and leave vegas to the legion and Oliver being completely incompetent general wait and see strategy make sense creating a wall and let the enemy keep running into it unfortunately legion aren’t what he was expecting not to mention the general at least know to move the ranger away instead of being in the same spot as in the first battle which is what Hanlon want as that spot get bombard by legion artillery

[@randomguyblank1616]

@@hungcuong606 Well tbf to Hanlon, its clear that the constant attrition isn't doing the NCR any favors, just look at Camp Forlorn hope. Moving back to the Mojave outpost, although its a less fortified area, would funnel the Legion forces into one spot since its the only route to NCR proper given the state of the Divide. Though this is assuming that the Legion don't find a new route, or someone pulls a Hannibal (ironically) and crosses the rockies with a large army.

[@vos2693]

Ulys suk didnt read Bottom text

[@randomguyblank1616]

@@vos2693 *presses X to doubt cause I didn't start defending Ulysses until the bottom text

[@kinagrill]

Marko is Benny and Ulysses mixed together with Fallout 3 levels of player agency and whatnot... and it really sucks.

[@Treyman-yi7ei]

Ah yes I get to watch Zack go crazy again suffering through one of the most annoying characters ever

[@Flagdread]

He just never shuts up, it's infuriating

[@Helljumper_Fanatic]

Thank goodness for Zack, i wouldn't of enjoyed the episode without the insanity he proves.

[@restinggoose5073]

Ya know, it didn’t count as theft when looting Nipton after the Legion killed them.

[@markhirsch6301]

I honestly think Marko is everything wrong with the new vegas modding communities ability to write. Long winded, forces away player agency, and worst of all, being annoying with its message.

[@evanbeinstein5102]

I completely agree. It's certainly a limitation that the only way they can make a villain threatening is by limiting the ways the player can play. But I also don't really know what a good alternative would be? Besides just give the bad guy a bunch of health and make him do a bunch of damage? You can go the War Trash route of just making every decision the worst and you feel bad no matter what, but that also kind of sucks. I don't know, I'm not a writer.

[@PipMan1101]

My biggest issue with New Vegas quest mods is this constant need to fellate the Courier and refer to them as this borderline celebrity. In the vanilla game, the Courier is essentially a nobody. Sure, you gain reputation among certain factions but when you listen to the radio, all these events across the Mojave are never attributed to you. The Courier very much embodies the Man With No Name archetype; wandering from place to place, helping or hindering those they encounter as they see fit, but never really making a name for themselves. I'm in the same boat as Zach, every time a (modded) NPC says something like "You're the Courier omg" I want to fucking kill myself, I swear.

[@shloopydoopersontheloreguy9069]

Theres a really good Marko rewrite out now on the Nexus that makes the character way more interesting. Just check out the Marko rewrite.

[@dusty2080]

​@@shloopydoopersontheloreguy9069Asking here cause I haven't checked in in a minute but do you know if the mod has been voiced yet? I know that was on the future plans for it

[@shloopydoopersontheloreguy9069]

@dusty2080 no clue haven't checked in a min.

[@jermonejackson8437]

Hated Marko then and still hate him now and unless it's part of the main game story but even then we gamers should always be given some way out of situations and choices in games and not just flail about and still get bad ending

[@kinagrill]

Exactly. taking away player agency is something I dislike with a passion... What is the point of letting me play, if I am just gonna get railroaded into getting captured because 'cutscene happens and I no longer control the character so cutscene events can happen'. It reminds me of the Fallout 3 'door open cutscene boobytrap!' bullshit after getting the GECK... and because it's no longer MY CHARACTER, the fact I had the perk that stops boobytraps from going off when I crouch-Sneak is suddenly null and void. The fact I might have worn powerarmor is null and void because explosion still somehow knocks me out? oh it's an EMP? well I WASN'T wearing power armor so why is an EMP affecting me, a biological person as if it was a concussive grenade? - that's right 'cuz plot needs to happen and I am not adult enough to be allowed player agency so that plot can happen'.

[@Haitch_Kay]

Man, it's such a shame that NV Bounties 1 was the undeniable high point of the series. 2 isn't bad, just not as good, and 3 shits the bed at the end. I like Someguy. I do. He's clearly a talented writer who knows how to make a narrative. But even he admits that the NVB series was hastily done and has problems.

[@Rizartha]

watch the RAPID decent into madness when our hero is suddenly left completely alone with one one to talk to

[@doomslayer2290]

Love how Zach helped the Unibomber

[@giloguy101]

So everyone else is giving really detailed and well thought out reasons why Marko is a terrible villain from a game design perspective, writing perspective, philisophical perspective, so i can't really add anything there.... so i'm just gonna be petty If you want everyone to think your edgy OC villian is a badass....maybe don't give him a hat that looks fucking ridiculous

[@METALHEAD_NativePA]

I like black powdered revolvers but that because I don't actually know anything about guns, I like them because they look nice and are sometimes a decent decoration.

[@fireking0440]

CORN SHALL BE AVENGED!!! Oh yeah, and Mike.

[@tmr3volver]

this guys mods are fairly interesting but dear god do his characters talk forever.

[@JaitsuStudios]

SomeGuy is what we in the business call "a pretentious moron". Great mod author, but thinks he's way smarter than he really is.

[@jeffhu8366]

Thanks, Zack and Mike! Just pass my PAL. And thanks for all the gun talk in all the videos!

[@rusky9110]

Wait. "I was the one man who beat you" Is marko quoting batman?

[@Haloister]

It IS a really good line

[@backdoorsystems9762]

Don’t worry, Marlo “hates being unoriginal” though.

[@lapine.mp4lapine.mp350]

*Although he believed the damaged time machine would bring him a small way back to the past, it instead brought Zach to an alternate reality. One in which housed a variety of dangers in the Mojave, with there rarely being any allies or non-hostiles to interact with. Perhaps Zach will be able to survive this warped and deranged version of the Mojave, and perhaps he WILL find Mike alive and well. Just.. looking a little different than before.*

[@itsonlythatguy]

I mean, the voice acting is great but keeping Marko as an unkillable antagonist you don’t run into until a climax in the beginning just sucks. Not to mention you only ever learn about him through 2nd hand story telling really makes the story drag. Then you finally meet him and he somehow just captures you and forces you to listen to 30 minutes of dialogue. Then to not even get a boss fight is just enraging. Of course it was just at the beginning of the episode but if that was me playing it I would’ve been completely turned off. But props to you guys for sticking through it.

[@11darklegion]

I really does annoy me how long winded Marko is. I know the modder wanted build up and him to be really worth the wait. In reality, the only thing I could think was how he would just be shot like a quarter into his monologuing. Seriously, I'm pretty sure that if the player was playing a BOUNTY HUNTER then he would have just whipped out a gun and filled Marko full of bullets while he rattled on.

[@mr.mcnerdo]

Now we know that Zach likes one of the best Nickelodeon shows ever.

[@PantherCat64]

Again not doing a Gun Ideas to Annoy Zach™️ for this video. But I will point out how with Zach’s voice for the mayor, despite calling him hitler to reject his advice, letting bygones be bygones is the most opposite of hitler as possible. Which I realize is an unintentional history joke, but brilliant none the less

[@tokenpenguinanimation4765]

I'd be terrified for Zach if he was ever left alone with his thoughts xD

[@mayalewis2956]

It's funny hearing about all the very evil shit marko did for basically zero reason then watching him trying to pull "you're an evil courier" by saying shit like the pedo,slaver you killed had a family like?? and ?

[@polkaking237]

Man, I’m sure glad KZbin didn’t demonetize “Esters last ride” (I’m sorry, I don’t know what I can to put an input for how KZbin is being dumb) Wait was Brookshire in the embassy or was that it for the quest?

[@WardragonLog101]

He's in the Embassy, you can kill him. He has a unique line upon seeing you.

[@mangosteak]

Yes he is in the embassy and U can install another mod that basicaly is a huge shooting gallery that made my pc crashulriple times cause it spanned in so many legion soldiers.

[@hexedcrab]

ah yes everyones favourite disappointing conclusion

[@thebaronlouis8619]

Thanks for the reupload. I usually play these videos on a second monitor while I do other things, but twice now this mod managed to be so bad it pulled my attention away. I 100% agree with Zach on this mod, it just leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Even the Frontier and New California had decent endings and plot resolutions, and even if they weren't the best written, the mod authors wanted to give satisfying endings. New Vegas Bounties on the other hand, felt like it wanted to punish you for playing it. It had so many of the worst tropes of NV mods cooked together in such a demented way, but to start, how about the fact that 2 different side quests end by forcing you to let a horrible NPC that pissed you off go or else people will somehow magically know you're a child killer. Yeah okay. And then Marko's whole diatribe that's a textbook example of dunning-kruger effect and yet the mod treats him like he's 100% right. And yet instead of just end the conversation and shoot the dumbest final boss in any Fallout story official or fanmade, Zach had the endurance to sit through it so we could see just how bad it got. If I'd been playing, I would have toggled god mode and spammed command /kill like an hour before that just to get to the end of it.

[@spec_opsgaming]

This part of new vegas bounties pissed me off, because i knew that "virgil" was marko after we left the second place together in new vegas...and yet we had NO CHOICE in this mod whatsoever....it's so fucking annoying.

[@EvilOverlord1662]

Oh yeah, I forgot that the bad guy in this mod is named Marco. Oh well, at least The Courier is a true legend still, unlike Wordy Mc.what's-his-face.

[@gabrielvieira9578]

Coming back here, looking at Zach's dementia taking over him in his solitude... *Sigh* something drastic to endure

[@StraightOuttaDepression]

Zach rambling to himself when his companions are gone are so relatable that I started rambling to myself 😂

[@tehmediasource]

Oh wow… after months I caught up…: Mike what do I do with my life now?

[@AustroStudios2003]

Zach when anyone says anything more than 7 words

[@ZombieGuy0095]

did anybody else hear Mike saying hi Zach

[@mainterminal266]

I'm going to remember you out of spite Zach

[@Khornecussion]

Haha. Nothing to lose your head over Mike- oh.

[@brunokopte1347]

Not being forgotten can be a terrible thing. Look how one can be misused and idolized, warped beyond all recognition into a macguffin for any ideology. Jesus Christ, Achilles, Sparta, Giuseppe Garibaldi and Leonel de Moura Brizola are the ones that immediately come to mind.

[@kyle26091]

Man just zach living his life if he was alone in the apocalypse

[@crabman3144]

Only 11 minutes in, and wow, another mod that pushes the "You lose the fight" button and knocks the player out. Why not incapacitate the player through gameplay? Can Gamebyro not do that? That and Marko going a bit mary Sue here makes me less inclined to play NVB III, despite enjoying the first two. The companion killing is also something that puts me off, even though I usually run solo. I'll watch the rest of the video later, but man, this ending feels like it would ruin the experience of this entire mod chain.

[@thehomie6059]

As always the fnv series never fails to disappoint can’t wait for more!

[@carn5786]

Marko was little Timmy's OC, a Gary Stu self-insert type. The ending to these mods is kind of awful.

[@mantha6912]

Marko's speech is really well-written, and certainly very memorable...but this is one of those situations where film is a more appropriate medium than a videogame. The player, naturally wanting to exercise agency, gets annoyed at the sheer length of the speech. Props to the writing, but Zach's frustration is definitely understandable if you came into this hoping for focus on gameplay.

[@dusty2080]

That's the thing, the mods were inspired by a bunch of old Western novels (Blood Meridan especially) and you can tell there is a real quality to the writing, it's incredibly literate and eloquent... But in a video game built around agency and player choice, the fact he locks you in cutscenes, the dialogue options make you look like either a naive do-gooder, a glory hound, or a short-sighted imbecile, and the narrative makes vast assumptions about how you've been playing or percieve the situation all just end up pissing the player off and making the writing come off as shallow, even when the writing itself and the voice acting are genuinely quality. It would have worked better as a movie or book plot, unless it was massively rewritten (another comment mentioned how the base game handles these callouts a lot better, like how the Kings can be exterminated by House as a side effect of you making peace between them and the NCR, a seemingly good action that had long reaching negative consequences *no one* could have accounted for). The writing the way it was has only really matched one "Young Gun/Lawbringer" character I did and that's about it

[@mantha6912]

@@dusty2080 Very well said!

[@Damienx247]

Blonde dude at the beginning looked like a half-assed Undertaker cosplayer.

[@rowanernst]

3:30 i love the firefight against unarmed bound people

[@trystanslabbert3893]

"Wow a black powder revolver, your taste in guns is as bad as your taste in clothing" god damn zach why u gotta attack me like that🤣

[@VanillaWinters]

I got here after watching New California and Zach ranting about this at the end, and just a few minutes in, omg this is so annoying. Who thought this was a good idea, having a “rival” just spend from what I’m guessing almost a full hour just talking and not letting you control the game.

[@snowbush7990]

Local man with ADHD goes on vengence quest

[@jimbob4447]

The one good thing I will say about NVBIII is that it brings together all us FNV fans to agree what an absolutely terrible, verbose, pseudo-intellectual, terribly written, rubbish character (among many other things) Marko is.

[@teoteous]

I only came to this video to check out the slideshow and intro to the next arc.

[@PinkTuskedMammoth]

Birchtree..... wow

[@hetsuyotester4101]

soo...another de-monetized video again?

[@denmark1226]

My God, he goes on for 7 minutes and 20 seconds, and that's just at the start. Yeah, I skipped that

[@neckmostle]

What was taken out of this one

[@triorus5222]

Zachs drop into insanity

[@drunkkmachine4511]

IHOP now knows your location

[@thetinfoilfreak]

Reupload? What happened to the original?

[@hungcuong606]

Because the original wasn’t toddlers friendly

[@deathblade8107]

Are u gonna make any more stories?

[@RAMAGE_the_RED]

he has bine re-uploading because youtube has bine demonetizing vides

[@marcgold4649]

this is what my dreams are like...

[@p0elaha566]

Zach into the mutiverse

[@seanbrantingham4888]

Jesus Christ I’ve been watching the video for 5 minutes and Marko doesn’t stfu

[@bloop1152]

Dear Susan and Investors; You're not going to win, in the long run. Whether it takes a year or a millennium, it won't stick. The only thing which censorship does, is make the ideas and forbidden words all the more appealing. Or, suppose you do win, for however long you maintain a stranglehold. What does policing speech do, other than remove concepts from peoples' minds? Does it make them better, or does it make them, well, the very things fitting of the concepts you prohibit? Does it snip away chains holding them back, or is it a weight vest on a swimmer, drowning them in a sea they could otherwise overcome and get out of? Or is that your plan all along, to make people even more insufferable? More tractable? More incapable of expression and definition? To have to rely upon a central authority whose goals and aims can be shrouded in a putrescent cloud of massaged half-meaning? Such things sicken me, and I hope that every penny that YT loses over this ill-sighted plan comes out of investor and executive pockets. That whatever private shareholders decide to take what has been squandered back, out of ill-gained personal coffers. Yes, yes, creators can muzzle themselves to appease the insufferably sensitized, to get their pittance, but that's just humiliation and debasement disguised as successes. No good has ever come of purging any Olds. Without the Olds to juxtapose with the Present, we have no Future, as we are forced to repeat the same painful lessons, time and again, spinning our wheels and frittering away ever-shrinking resources and time. It sickens me. This Invention Internet was to be an Akashic Record made manifest, but now a cancerous dementia seeks to snuff it out, to turn it into yet another broadcast television. One can defend their abusers, and say 'tis but a private company, but I must demand to know; When does a private company become a utility? When does a subsidized luxury become a public square? Would Google not be counted as such, the same as Cloudflare and Amazon's hostings? To think that a woman of a people with such a history would condone and agree to these things is boggling to me, but how often do the abused become the abusers in turn, and have the temerity to claim some moral highground? Every time they are allowed to act with no criticism, I say. The worst tyrannies are couched in the most emotionally-pleading ways, and the worst monstrosities use rationality as a shield. God curse thee, Alphabits, for thou art become but soft-handed and smiling likenesses of that which you might still claim to fight. Your children will be the fruits of your labors, and I pray that they have the wherewithal to know what you've done to this world, and to them, for if they were otherwise, they would be not but animals hewn from the flesh of human beings. Yes, this is a long rant over a little soft and underhanded censorship, but I say it is warranted. The slippery slope is only called a fallacy by those seeking to use it against the unwitting, and repeated by the prince's most loyal serfs. I've seen it for years. The white-coated high priests of authority can speak their liar's spells, the flatscreen pulpits can belch them forth, but words are not what Is, merely what is said, and rarely of what was seen.

[@RuSosan]

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[@buns9022]

Cocker and Cutty are still the best.

[@sectioneight762]

Polo

[@claytontrevino7614]

Investigate 311

[@One2Thrice]

Re-upload?

[@celloge6505]

I've seen this too

[@WolfieTheWuf]

That story was painfully bad. Glad Zank still had fun with it though being himself lol

[@OrionsTale]

So I'll make this simple... here are my problems with this mod: 1. Marko is a sanctimonious idiot who sees himself a deep philosophical thinker. Someguy WANTS you to see him as that too. His philosophy is flawed in such a noticable way. "Oh because you killed that mad sniper dude, his wife is struggling now! You should've thought about that." 2. Speaking of; some of those bounties we 'should have just let be' were originally madmen on a rampage. This mod twists that to make the Courier out to be the bad guy in all this. It doesn't work because it is such a blatant contradiction. 3. Player choice with no results... yep. Did you let some of the bounties go in III? You DID? Aren't you a compassionate soul.... you're still gonna get the same unsatisfying and shit ending. 4. This mod has an unsatisfying and shit ending. I could see it being the 'bad ending' of the mod, but unfortunately. Here's how it SHOULD have been (on a very basic level). Bad Ending: Basically what we already have. Courier can walk away or stand and fight. They end up traumatized and beaten. Their reputation is tarnished and Marko's legend lives on. Good Ending: It can be similar to the bad, but the main difference being that Marko's whole plan completely falls apart. His legend persists, but devolves into one that is vastly shadowed by the Courier, the one who KILLED Marko, gaining some serious positive reputation in the wasteland; leaving Marko, in Zach's words, as 'nothing more than a miserable stain on the side of the mountain'. Using Speech or Terrifying presence options for this ending to make him despair before brutally ending him would be absolutely RICH, by the way. Or even just regret. There are comments below that do a much better job at looking at this mod comprehensively. This is just my opinion, mainly. TL,DR: This mod could've been great, but it was too busy using a watered-down villain to guilt-trip you into an inescapable defeat, DEFEATING the point of an RPG.... and its ending was garbage.

[@enclaveboogalo3775]

Uhh im deep into the series, I'm having a hard time not hearing Mike. Supposed to be a reupload or something due to demonization (f-y susan). It feels uncomfortable when the other isn't present, be it Mike or Zhach.

[@TenkoBerry]

This was good back in the day 👍

[@Jack-lk7wk]

American policing at its finest 28.33

[@stabbinstaben7059]

watching mike slowly descend into madness is top tier!

[@BlaackCat23]

Im not that evil

[@danielschmitt6026]

(Late comment but eh) I actually quite liked the end of this Mod. I know people talk about how Marko never shuts up and how it gets railroady which is fair enough to be annoyed/pissed about. But I personally loved it. The unsatisfactory nature of not being able to shittalk him when he kills the town, the helplessness as you watch, I love it. The writing could be better, yes. But I think it’s got the edge of ‘no matter what, you still kinda lose’ cause even if you go kill Marko, his legend lives on. I’m a sucker for those kinds of stories so I’m very likely biased. I’m also a sucker for rising from the dead in a near blind rage to get revenge. (Which, as dumb as it sounds, was how I imagined my courier ‘survived’ his second near death experience. He didn’t, he just came back. Cringey and dumb, I know) TLDR, I find the mod fun because I’m a sucker for its kind of storytelling, but I can easily see why it would piss people off.