The second part of the Oxford High School shooter's three-day hearing after resuming from a break on Aug. 1, 2023.
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@mylesastinnette6208 Жыл бұрын
So many mass shooters behave the way Ethan did. He showed for years that he planned to kill. He wants to be well known. He and his family should remain in jail.
@CharlotteFerrariBreton4 ай бұрын
OMG The Expert witness just admitted that he had to ¨find¨ as much mitigation evidence as possible,(doesn´t matter if its untrue) make a report and submit it to court. Wow just wow. This guy´s ¨expertise¨ just got tossed.
@user-in8tp2qg7k7 ай бұрын
It is very frustrating watching this witness doctor , like he doesn't understand anything, so why waste time???
@janetcardenas5006 Жыл бұрын
It seems as the doctor edited his reports to fit the defense’s narrative. And kept answering the prosecuter’s questions very vaguely. It seemed as he was acting dumb and got ammesia all of a sudden.
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
The DR.is not on trial.
@dwh7517 ай бұрын
Where have we heard this before?
@melsafken7647 ай бұрын
@@spirit13the1st6 As an expert witness, he must be clear about dates & diagnosis.
@incarau6 ай бұрын
No he did a summary. Remember lately the PROSECUTORS are mostly corrupted they just want their money, so money driven.
@jannea43185 ай бұрын
@spirit13the1st6 The doctor himself may not be on trial, but his testimony certainly is. For that matter, so are his credentials and credibility. From where I sit, he gets a big fat "F".
@lou4445c Жыл бұрын
I don't understand. Why wouldn't he come prepared? What dr doesn't record dates of meetings with clients? He's having trouble understanding some of the questions. He doesn't seem very professional.
@Onewayoflife757 ай бұрын
Totally agree! Also, what ‘running report’ would be backdated to June?? Surely the report had a second deadline day for discovery, and that is saved & sent. Further therapy or testing should be saved every single day it is added to!!!!
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
He also said “Mental health is real”
@syon6007 ай бұрын
No, he just answers in a way that protects himself from saying incorrect things.
@syon6007 ай бұрын
@@L-n-o-v-ahe means mental ill health. Because it's always mental ill health we all refer to when we talk about mental health. A misnomer?
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
@@syon600 I know, I just meant that he is stating the obvious. We already know that mental health and mental illness is real
@user-or6ep1cg5h7 ай бұрын
This prosecution is A+ dang they tore that dr apart
@karimahoney57087 ай бұрын
DEVASTATED!!! 😮
@blg85057 ай бұрын
He's a BS artist. "I've held a brain in my hands." The other expert the defense brought made Dr King look like a joke. Why they had both when they should have just used the professor. Both the clinicians used by the defense were awful.
@belleblaas38437 ай бұрын
@@TruthOnly24 I would have loved to see the 22 hours, the doctor spend together with Ethan on video. He was correct in part 11. And now a bit in trouble, because there are 2 copies. January and June. And even a third one. Prosecutor is succeeding in confusion. Potato potato.
@jupo9928 Жыл бұрын
Oft. Psychologist didnt have correct citation & referencing, didnt have the subject complete a questionnaire because he thought he could answer it himself, and it just goes downhill from there. As a *minimum* he should have included this as its essential for academic research and evidence required for legal cases. He says hes new to the legal side of things and sounds like a lovely therapist but has a long way to go to become a legal or more experienced in the forensic field of psychology. If i wasn't well i would want him as my therapist, if i was on trial i wouldn't want him as my defender.
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
Totally disorganized
@dknapp1008 ай бұрын
a conveniently sloppy doctor being inconvenienced by a tidy prosecutor. Awfully confident to awfully clueless in a matter of minutes. Odd.
@rosearellanes5648 Жыл бұрын
I love this proecutor, she is not willing to let this teen hide behind mental illness, as a way of midigating what he has done. This teen was old enough to tell his high school counsellor or a teacher what was going on. She is going to hold him accountable for the lives he has permanently altered
@user-cy4vw1qj9m7 ай бұрын
He has mental illness and if he was treated sooner this wouldn't have happened. With counselling he would realise he wasn't unlovable the fault lay with his parents also he would spend time in a hospital and none of this terrible would have happened.
@rosearellanes56487 ай бұрын
@@user-cy4vw1qj9m I sure am glad u weren't on this jury because u may have let him walk, regardless of the lives he altered
@user-cy4vw1qj9m7 ай бұрын
@@rosearellanes5648 No I would not have let him walk.
@rosearellanes56487 ай бұрын
@@user-cy4vw1qj9m Sounds to me like u would since u want to blame his actions on mental illness
@kathyk-h-w18747 ай бұрын
I see that --yet they are prosecuting the parents largely on their failure to get immediate help for a mental health issue that their own PsyD said doesn't exist?
@DCmama727 ай бұрын
OMGosh Doctor. I was for the Dr. until the state started questioning him…. Eye rolling.
@janedixon8491 Жыл бұрын
My big concern is if he is let out of prison eventually and quits taking meds will he kill again?
@RoseforTrump Жыл бұрын
I dont believe ethan will get parole. He shouldn't
@christinawadsworth501 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@caterinawilliams998 Жыл бұрын
Could they just give him life for now and then if after years on therapy and various rehabilitation programs this can be reviewed and an appeal for parole can be lodged and his case can be re discussed..
@janedixon8491 Жыл бұрын
Like 30 years with the possibility of parole?
@jessicafeatherston2172 Жыл бұрын
Plus, often, people MUST be violent to survive prison. He may not have the ability to shut that off with his mental illness... Especially if he's prone to violence during psychosis. I've never felt bad for a school shooter before but this kid has my heart, not sure I would feel the same way if my child was killed by him but his parents are pieces of sh!t!!!! He did not stand a chance in life! I hope his parents are going to spend the rest of their lives in jail for this! They didn't even care about helping to defend their son, according to the text message. His mom said basically that he was on his own and they needed to worry about defense attorneys for themselves... Why did they even have a child if they were just going to ignore him his entire life?? I'm disgusted by all of this!
@monicaldr3711 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I watched this cuz there was a lot I didn't know like how close he was to the victims when he shot them... I also didn't know about all the animal torture and fantasizing about hurting kids...after hearing that I don't think he should ever get parole and I think he's probably ok with that it seems like he wanted to go to prison anyways....and his parents definitely could have prevented this from happening...I was unsure about them charging the parents but the more I hear the more I'm thinking that's the right move.
@christina5kids16grands6 ай бұрын
This hearing definitely challenges my feelings about the parents being charged. I listened to every word of this miller hearing, as well as every second of all the hearings on this case, from every status check for Ethan along the way, the pretrial and preliminary hearings leading up to his sentencing, as well as every hearing in his mothers case. I struggle to not wish he'd just have offed himself instead of taking those poor innocent teens out. I still do not believe the parents cases are going to stick. Even with everything I've see and heard, I don't believe they could have seen this coming. Hindsight is always 20/20, and it's real easy for us to say they should have known. He purposefully kept the information that would have given them a clue at how deranged his mind had become. He was very calculated in his plan to hide pertinent information from them, and this is where we ended up. I also have a serious problem with the way the state handled this entire case from the very start. They lied saying the parents were fleeing. That was a blatant lie. They lied saying he GAVE him this gun when in fact it was bought as a family, kept in the parents room, and most of the time locked up. They showed consciousness of guilt when after hearing about the shooting, mom texted him "Ethan don't do it", and dad raced home to check on where the gun was. But overall, considering all the info that has surfaced and come out of mom's trial, for me, I don't see the culpability the state is laying at the parents feet. And IF the parents are as guilty as they say, then the SCHOOL carries the same weight. They had that backpack in theiir hands. The school counselor told the parents he should stay in class that day, and that they should get him counseling, which they planned to do. Again, not parents of the year. Not at all. But this is a really tough one.
@CharlotteFerrariBreton4 ай бұрын
@@christina5kids16grands He is too coward to off himself. Nikolas Cruz the Parkland shooter threw similar fits. This guy just picked it up from the standard playbook. These things are EASILY FAKED by the way. You need to take things with a ¨grain of salt¨ and be objective when it comes to cases like this. 10-15 years for the parents is insane and it actually would fall under a Human Rights violation in an international court.
@NellaBLavish7 ай бұрын
This doctor went from sounding real competent to reeeeal FAKE so fast!!!
@gregoriousChowanoac Жыл бұрын
What the goal of questioning the doctor this way
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
He's trying to make the DR.seem negligent. Therefore his testimony might be inadequate to the jury.
@jenniferbylsma14167 ай бұрын
@@spirit13the1st6there's no jury. They have to convince the judge in this.
@user-or6ep1cg5h7 ай бұрын
The weight of this witness to the judge if he proves he didn't do a good job of diagnosis then he won't weigh much of his decision on this Dr's findings
@melsafken7647 ай бұрын
Maybe because they all have different documents. They aren't dated, they are incomplete with no references. Imo, his testimony should have been thrown out.
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
This lawyer is also getting agitated
@dwh7517 ай бұрын
That's because this "professional" sucks
@maryerichardson8302 Жыл бұрын
Why is this prosecutor so determined to deny Ethan Cumbley’s mental illness? No one is denying his criminal responsibility. Listening to all the testimonies, it seems clear that something’s not right with Ethan. Also, this hearing makes his parents’ culpability very clear.
@cady__ Жыл бұрын
Their role in this hearing is to determine whether or not they can bring forth a possibility of a life without parole sentence since Ethan Crumbley was 15 when this happened. Based on the law they want on their side, they’re trying to argue that it was less due to mental illness where say he had a psychotic break and was out of his own mind, and more to the fact that he premeditated the act and was ‘clear’ when he carried it out, proving that he is not capable of living in society again and should not have the option of parole. I don’t think based on what they did when talking to this witness that they did a good job - it seems as if they’re worried the law isn’t on their side with the evidence they have - and the fact they’ve already argued the parents should be tried for failing to help their clearly mentally unwell son. It comes across as A sort of contradiction of arguments as far as the laws are concerned. The prosecution didn’t do a good job today. The spent way too long trying to discredit and impeach a witness that is not impeachable and stood their ground on the facts and evidence. The judge did a really good job though imo and I trust he will make the right decision at the end of the hearing.
@maryerichardson8302 Жыл бұрын
@@cady__ his premeditation is connected to mental illness. It’s not like he was doing it for extortion or revenge or some other reason. He is dealing with a deranged mind. I’m not even saying that he should get the opportunity for parole; just believe he needs help even if he gets life without parole. He was 15 at the time and his parents are the most useless parents.
@cady__ Жыл бұрын
@@maryerichardson8302 agree 100%. they’re (the parents) are incredibly useless. From the evidence so far they had multiple opportunities to step in and didn’t. They’re just awful. It seems like the Prosecution thinks he has, or will argue something like anti-social personality disorder. It’s not a diagnosis that would be allowed into Mental Health court, because there’s no say - break from reality like with serious mental illness, it’s how someone is. There’s a difference between someone having a serious mental illness like schizophrenia, schizzoaffective, bipolar disorder- and what Ethan had going on. He was calm, calculated and cold. His writings and things he said about killing others were sadistic and he didn’t note any empathy or remorse for anyone involved ever. People with those types of mental headspace are not and should not be lumped in with people who have serious mental illness ever. They’re separated in court for a reason. I just don’t think the prosecution did a great job because overall it could contradict the case with the parents. Then again, maybe not. There will be more hearings, and more evidence to see and hear about so I’ll be interested to see what further unravels. It’s such a horrendous case because his parents saw what was going on and could have intervened and gotten him help as was recommended. Lives could have been saved 😔 it’s all very sad.
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
I agree! He is trying to take psychosis out of the table when this doctor actually perfomed the required tests to diagnose it. No one is saying he is crimanally insane here, so all this trying to confuse the doctor with questions that have no relevance at all when his own expert diagnosed the kid without perfoming ANY tests was a bad choice. Psychosis was actually their best chance at saying he cannot be rehabilitated. They shot themselves in the foot. This doctor held his own though. The prosecutions expert has 1k patients, sees the kid 15 minutes a week and gives him anti psychotics even though in her diagnosis she says he is not physcotic, they also deny he suffers from brain injury but never performed a scan (neither side did) so why are they even mentioning a brain injury AT ALL when it cuts both ways. It's more than evident this kid suffers from mental illness, so this whole grilling of the doctor was a total mute point and more of a shot in their own foot imo.
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
@@cady__Totally agree, the doctor held his own and it was simple why, he actually performed required tests to diagnose him which their expert didn't. He just tried to confuse him with irrelevant details that made it more evident this one is the one expert who actually did his job. They shot themselves in the foot wirh this one.
@thestoryunfoldsofficial Жыл бұрын
NOW THAT'S HOW YOU DO A CROSS EXAMINATION! Great job prosecutors! ♥️
@timothyfreeseha4056 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Doing their job for the people.
@Sunflower-lu3sm Жыл бұрын
The doctor isn’t the defender. He should be treated with respect.
@EBGONEGLOBAL7 ай бұрын
@@Sunflower-lu3smI kinda feel bad for the doctor, he's getting the bidness! I think he's brilliant but the prosecution is on their job indeed.
@Bev267 ай бұрын
what Dr doesn't have his phone BS, can see hes getting flustered on cross
@endavi1214 Жыл бұрын
It is always the the unspoken kids that end up doing this kind harm . No one sees or hears them.
@hansmir54437 ай бұрын
Yes but the high schools in the US is the breathing grounds of the first criminal acts of teenagers. It’s very hard to be a teenager. Parents are responsible.
@janesmy6267 Жыл бұрын
Why don't parents raise their kids properly and less entitled so they don't bully in the first place? Less school shootings would happen if parents knew how to raise their kids properly. Parenting classes should be compulsory for all parents prior to the birth. There'd probably be less serial killers and mass shooters that way. US is a mess. The only country in the world were mass school shootings are a monthly reoccuring event.
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
Its so much more complicated than what you state. Divorce rate grows every year. Most of these school kids have problems in the home. Seems that no school wants to adress bullying. As of this commentary 1/27/24 27 people murdered across the country( that day)including a 4 two sixes and an 8 ( murders) Or politicians in their sheltered life are not taking us seriously, so we must save our country and #VOTE THEM OUT. Soon America wilk become a murderous wasteland and you ladies having a huge voting block and being most at risk you would think to take this more serious. Get serious ladies.
@user-in8tp2qg7k7 ай бұрын
This doctor doesn't seem to be a very good witness... HE SEEMS CONFUSED!!
@timothyfreeseha4056 Жыл бұрын
The absence of testing vs wrong testing= Ethan is not served in this Miller hearing.
@endavi1214 Жыл бұрын
This is a joke no judge should let him do this in his court.
@W_74_166 ай бұрын
Feels like the lawyer & the good doctor do not particularly get along with each other.
@dawngasque5272 Жыл бұрын
Is he heavily medicated right now because I'm a counselor and he looks very sedated
@amybattiste5077 Жыл бұрын
I didn't think they were allowed to be medicated while on trial. Either way, he KNEW what he was doing. It's a manipulation tactic, IMHO.
@user-cy4vw1qj9m7 ай бұрын
He looked like someone with autism to me or some other disability.
@meganbaldwin16997 ай бұрын
Did you guys watch the 6th or 7th day of this hearing? They played a video that EC made. He is actually extremely intelligent and I thought to myself he could very well be on the spectrum. He knew exactly what he was doing. He carried out his plan and he’s a monster. His parents are guilty as sin and there should be a child abuse charge added as well!
@Shooshie1307 ай бұрын
Wow….this guy is a TERRIBLE witness. Letting the prosecutor bate him in to making assertions that are just embarrassing (e.g., suicidal ideation = psychosis)
@2and267 ай бұрын
@meganbaldwin1699 Exactly! Listening to that manifesto he made the night b4 his rampage sounds like the mind of a master manipulator. Maybe he is doubly gifted (genius + on the spectrum), but he appears to be evil and he has hoodwinked everyone with believing he had a psychotic break. He designed and carried through with his intentions of harming (killing birds, schoolmates).
@OliveD-Martini Жыл бұрын
I think the doc is competent his questions are not clear I believe the prosecutor is trying to discredit the doc
@cady__ Жыл бұрын
The doctor is competent. The prosecution is trying to impeach him but they didn’t do a good job. The judge is great though and he understood what was going on. I trust in the end the judge will make the right decision. Prosecution is concerned the law isn’t on their side and tried to put on theatrics to discredit witness. Bad attempt
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
They did a very bad job discrediting him, if anything he proved to be 10 times the expert they have.
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
@@cady__Totally agree
@howardrichard8544 Жыл бұрын
Wow. What trial are you people watching. Prosecutor destroyed this expert. Wait and see
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
THE DR. IS NOT ON TRIAL
@Onewayoflife757 ай бұрын
How can he be a retained Dr!?!?! He should be struck off & held in contempt of court!!!!! Shocking
@JennyLouLou7 ай бұрын
What on earth do you mean? This is a standard defense. Noone is going to cut corners then risk having a verdict thrown out.
@syon6007 ай бұрын
He's a psychologist.
@Zzx757 ай бұрын
The prosecutor is all over the doctor.
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
😂
@endavi1214 Жыл бұрын
The time closer to the shooting gives a better understanding of what the boy was experiencing.
@meganbaldwin16997 ай бұрын
This doctors patient portal needs to be very concerned. 😧
@seanphoebejames3167 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@donnamorgan2522 Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand why the Doctor didn’t have his ph if it held relevant evidence he may need? That seems incredibly unprofessional & I’m curious if he was a defence or prosecution witness? Not having his ducks-in-a-row looks to me as tho he has developed a liking for Ethan over the hrs
@michelleabraham6625 Жыл бұрын
This so-called doctor is what we call in the legal field .... a HIRED LIAR and ruined his career PUBLICLY!
@melsafken7647 ай бұрын
He is testifying for the defense.
@Leifmommy7 ай бұрын
By the way I have a young teenager once he just turned an adult I still says I love ❤ you and still hugs him and accompany him every where And I dropped everything when he needed me especially when he is feeling so bad Be responsible for your kids Be loving ❤ parent and mother Ask them whats bothering them always tell them that you're there always when they needed you Hugs them like a baby when they are feeling so so bad be there
@KT27RN7 ай бұрын
I’m shocked how blatantly the defense rolls her eyes when she doesn’t like something. 1:27:54 she also does it during the prosecution‘s closing argument during the Miller trials. It’s unprofessional.
@PirateLeota7 ай бұрын
True, but I'll take her eye-rolling over Shannon Smith's histrionics any day.
@endavi1214 Жыл бұрын
The school could have reached out and done more early on.
@Sunflower-lu3sm Жыл бұрын
The teacher did call the alarm but wasn’t taken seriously. The counselor & principal didn’t listen to the teachers advice or concerns. They should not have allowed Ethan to stay in school that day. The parents should have been told no take him home. Take him to be evaluated.
@Sunflower-lu3sm Жыл бұрын
Yes, they were with him on the daily even more than the parents.
@Bev267 ай бұрын
@@Sunflower-lu3sm with how many other kids to watch they had one child
@GLeon-ov9yu Жыл бұрын
The doctor is calm, articulate and answering questions to the best of his ability.
@christinawadsworth501 Жыл бұрын
He didn't show up very prepared, though
@loopy1159 Жыл бұрын
The Dr is a nut case. U wouldn't be an Amerikkkian by any chance. Do any of you have intelligence
@loopy1159 Жыл бұрын
@@christinawadsworth501no he didn't
@michelleabraham6625 Жыл бұрын
Problem is he can't explain why he came to his conclusion without a full record presented by the defense and, most likely he was HIRED to fit the defenses narrative making him a HIRED LIAR!
@jsheldon1976 Жыл бұрын
@@michelleabraham6625My thoughts exactly!!
@Sunflower-lu3sm Жыл бұрын
For Ethan to do these shorting with out any emotion or disorganized manner should be enough to show he was not in his right mind. Would have to mental or drugged to not have any emotion /anger/ frustration/ anxiety/ depression/ etc. he showed nothing. No response of any kind of emotion.
@amybattiste5077 Жыл бұрын
Premeditated, he planned it
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
But you could say the same thing about a lot of murderers. That is why it kind of confuses me why there is such a high threshold for defendants to be found insane. I feel like a lot, if not most murderers are probably insane…? But I guess it’s not enough to be psychopathic. The threshold for insanity in the court system is high. It’s definitely not enough to just claim depression and anxiety lol
@danielleyeap Жыл бұрын
Suicidal ideation is a reflection of psychosis?!?!? WHATTT. Thats offensive, imo
@kathyk-h-w18747 ай бұрын
A depression can become so severe that it includes psychotic features --those features typically remit once the depression responds to treatment (medication in such a case coupled with therapy)
@sansserif88397 ай бұрын
Doc thinks everything is psychosis and mental illness.
@sansserif88397 ай бұрын
@@kathyk-h-w1874 There's severe depression without psychosis, and a person might have suicidal ideation without ever attempting suicide. Suicidal ideation doesn't automatically mean psychosis.
@kathyk-h-w18747 ай бұрын
@@sansserif8839 Of course. I'm commenting on only one aspect of depression.
@cassandra3862 Жыл бұрын
The issue of the reports is very odd. Why would the second report ‘continue to be worked upon’?
@michelleabraham6625 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Because this QUACK DEFENSE expert is trying to conform his narrative to fit their case. He's what we call in the legal field ... A HIRED LIAR !!!!!!😂
@ileanahernandez1709 Жыл бұрын
Because the patient isn't dead.
@lauratancredi33856 ай бұрын
Because new information is constantly being received
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
Timeline in murders is allways important. This doc should have been better prepared. This is embarrassing.
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
He did drop the ball on the dates but where they really that relevant?
@jupo9928 Жыл бұрын
Fern...: It wasn't just the dates he screwed up
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
@@jupo9928 he didn't screw up at all, it was all the way the prosecution made it seem, but the couple of good points he seemed to make where swiftly explained away on redirect, the dr held his own because he was being truthful and had the tests to lean on.
@w.i.t.c.h.1330 Жыл бұрын
More and more I become me angrier with the parents vs Ethan. He is fully responsible for the deaths, yes, but he was neglected from this testimony.
@bluckyjones Жыл бұрын
Me too....they are epic failures as human beings & had no business being parents. No doubt in my mind they are the root cause of this kid doing what he did & thinking the way he was in order to pull it off. They need the hell beat out of em & imo they should be imprisoned for life. This is tragic & disgusting. I dont even know whats happening to the parents. Are they in jail? Have they already had a trial? Sentencing? I think from all the other things that's happened in the world since this tragedy my attention was taken away from this case so I'm lost to anything that's occurred aside of watching this trial the past week ....do yal know whats going on with the parents? Cuz it would be a huge miscarriage of justice for the parents to be free.
@JennyLouLou7 ай бұрын
His parents will be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
@@JennyLouLoumaybe we’ll find out tomorrow when jury begins deliberations.
@Mamarchist7 ай бұрын
Did they hire these "experts" from temp agencies?! 😳
@hansmir54437 ай бұрын
I feel like the Doctor has done something wrong or not revealing something 🙄🙄🙄
@valeriemanuel1346 Жыл бұрын
I sympathize with Ethan having negligent parents. This is the result of their neglect and Ethan's desire to have their attention. I don’t think this doctor helped him very much if any. He's a terrible expert witness.
@maureennelle26987 ай бұрын
He didn't even know when the birds were tortured!?! he literally didn't know!!! That's INSANE!!!!! He came on board in the 11 th hour and did a shambles of a finding, imo.
@sansserif88397 ай бұрын
I'm sickened by how this doctor glossed over the torture and murder of the baby birds. He only used the incidents to gain compassion for Ethan. Poor Ethan, he was in pain so he hurt the birds. Poor Ethan. POOR MURDERED STUDENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES, DOCTOR.
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
@@sansserif8839I was like omg gtfo when he said that Ethan tortured the baby birds to express the pain he felt inside. It’s like…but he enjoyed hurting them
@deeannwebster60307 ай бұрын
Watching these Miller hearings (and this Dr), really makes me wonder what else he abused/tortured, I’m afraid it wasn’t limited to birds, maybe his kitty named Dexter? I found Dexter to be an interesting/ironic name, wondered if there’s any connection to the TV series named Dexter, which was gruesome and torturous.
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
@@deeannwebster6030 I think he liked Dexter. He wrote a diary entry before the shooting had happened about how he was laying in bed watching something with his cat Dexter, and said that Dexter was adorable and that he wished he could stay in that moment
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
@@deeannwebster6030 I think Dexter the show was one of his favorite tv shows
@timothyfreeseha4056 Жыл бұрын
Prosecutor would make me nervous..er, good job..
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
Only if you are guilty or unprepared. He's a bully and thats whats wrong with the country.
@janforrest5205 Жыл бұрын
The doctor (Dr King) being interviewed is very vague and seems a bit incompetent to me.
@lesleyhughes3174 Жыл бұрын
We all have our own way of speaking, explaining, especially if born elsewhere.
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
Where is Dr King from please?
@timothyfreeseha4056 Жыл бұрын
No doubt an expert and honest testimony from the Doc. However, his underlined evaluation may not not have served Ethan as well as seems possible with less explained and other specifics underlined. Not a criticism as much as an observation. Ethan could have been better served with so much at stake.
@monicaldr3711 Жыл бұрын
I think the Dr is very good and seems passionate about what he does the problem is that the prosecuting attorney is also very good at what he does and his job is to discredit the defenses witnesses and experts and he gets the job done...I'd def want that attorney on my team..
@lorrayshillingsniderhan16527 ай бұрын
That Doctor is not to bright
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
A copy of the Acis citation should be part of the report. why mention it if he had not used it?
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
Also why even mention brain injury when neither side scanned him!
@michelleabraham6625 Жыл бұрын
Probably bc he's a HIRED LIAR 😂😂😂😂😂
@MsChristinaLS Жыл бұрын
Prosecutor is really splitting hairs with this doctor…
@jupo9928 Жыл бұрын
Disagree, I have a phd in clinical and health psych and there are basic things he didn't do that any psychologist with a PhD should have done.
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
he's not on trial
@melsafken7647 ай бұрын
@@spirit13the1st6 He is supposed to be an expert witness, so he IS basically on trial. His report has to be accurate.
@ileanahernandez1709 Жыл бұрын
Prosecutor is nitpicking.
@michelleabraham6625 Жыл бұрын
And doing it very well !!! This quack doctor is getting his HEAD SPLIT .... enough so to have his testimony thrown in the garbage where it belongs!!!!
@Sunflower-lu3sm Жыл бұрын
The prosecutor is a dock.
@pauline_raabe7 ай бұрын
Why is it when a witness that's a Professional knowingly is called to testify in a court of law they are never prepared to answer questions on a case they worked on themselves and can't remember a darn thing about it?, Obviously this Dr. didn't do his homework.
@incarau6 ай бұрын
Many time the prosecution hide any evidence that is against the prosecution.
@AR-mu2rz5 ай бұрын
The doctor has written a report on 5 factors and fails to remember them for court? Is it just me or this is absolutely absurd? How do you write a report recommendations and not know the 5 factors upon which your report is based?
@nesslinger15 ай бұрын
I wish you could shadow a judge. I'd love to see his notes and what he's actually writing. What is relevant to him in this situation
@obiecat3341 Жыл бұрын
Does this ”expert “ remember much of anything? He doesn’t seem to have a lot prepared
@olive37007 ай бұрын
At the very least he could speak up.
@timothyfreeseha4056 Жыл бұрын
I wonder why- perhaps i missed it, the Defence Dr. did not make a case For Ethan about the inability of someone so young having no real experience/ reference for death. I would argue/ present the idea that children do not- generally, understand death as a real consequence of the desire to impose death or destruction. Rightfully so for all of us. But this understanding is relevant to his decision making process. Not a video game.
@maryerichardson8302 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting comment. I’m unsure how I feels about it in this particular case, but you are definitely right.
@Sunflower-lu3sm Жыл бұрын
Unless he had experience death of a grandparent, close relative or a family pet I agree he probably didn’t fully understand the true reality of death but after shooting the first victim he should have been hit with reality. I agree the parents were not giving him the attention he should have had. If they had been paying attention to him they most likely would have understood that he was in destress. Unfortunately, they were only thinking of their needs. Because of that I don’t think either parent had a clue what was going on with Ethan. They bought him a gun because he wanted one. I don’t think either one ever considered that he could or would do something like this. He pulled the trigger not them. Had they been loyal carrying parents 1st not just shutting him up by giving him what he wants. If they thought about his needs and feelings they would have known he was this desperate for attention. He is guilty of killing. They are guilty of negligence.
@timothyfreeseha4056 Жыл бұрын
@@Sunflower-lu3sm agree
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
He did have a death of their family dog and he experienced death firsthand when he was torturing and killing baby birds. He talked about wanting to kidnap a baby and throw it off a cliff and stuff. It isn’t normal to have an urge to kill
@nancynagy23847 ай бұрын
I had to fast forward on this Doctors testimony for the Defense. He was not prepared
@gooodies4u15 ай бұрын
That's the defense fault. This doctor stated he is not familiar with court testimony. It's way different
@dawngasque5272 Жыл бұрын
I think he can be rehabilitated and his parents knew and I'm happy that they are going to be tried for the four counts of involuntary manslaughter
@caterinawilliams998 Жыл бұрын
I think he can be rehabilitated, but I m not sure his parents can
@user-or6ep1cg5h7 ай бұрын
I'm soo the fence of him being able to being rehabilitated but I know for a fact his parents were neglectful but so was the school
@Messpinoza807 ай бұрын
Sadistic behavior cannot be rehabilitated
@incarau6 ай бұрын
That is true.
@incarau6 ай бұрын
The culpability should go to the School District, his parents and his teacher that didn’t take it serious. Most of those witnesses for the prosecution don’t believe in God. Only one father talked on Forgiveness. How many of those witnesses said that they will never forgive? So, that showed that most of them never read the BIBLE.
@incarau6 ай бұрын
The Doctor is not a lawyer, so I don’t know why that prosecutor ask about the LAW.
@endavi1214 Жыл бұрын
This looks really bad on the state and court system in your state because this young man did not a proper diagnosis.
@tigerlilygirl26437 ай бұрын
I don't think this xr is necessarily bad at his specialty, i just think he doesn't understand how to testify in court bc he hasn't done it enough. Nevertheless, it is really hard to watch.
@NellaBLavish7 ай бұрын
He didn’t forget that egg and bowl to prove something irrelevant tho!
@L-n-o-v-a7 ай бұрын
1:14:10 point for the prosecution
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
Incomplete documentation from a doctor is negligence. He does not belong on the stand.
@MsChristinaLS Жыл бұрын
What incompetent documentation are you referring to? The prosecutor is using Google to search for medical citations…
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
He has the documentation they want him to produce in minutes while on the stand.
@chapmans847 ай бұрын
This is the way lawyers treat each other and anyone they talk to. Its so wrong.
@kimmiep58702 ай бұрын
All I have to say watching the cross examination is..... AWKWARD!! 😂
@gooodies4u15 ай бұрын
He is mentally ill. However all mental illness doesnt mean you dont know right from wrong. It just may make you more prone and harder to control certain actions. Nor does everyone with a psych diagnosis mean you cant stand trial which this doctor did find him competent to do so even in face of his diagnosis. It is the defense fault to not properly testify in court. As he stated he is not familiar with court testimony. Hearings are brutal if you are not familiar on how to navigate. Even parking violations court can be the way they come at you when you completely in the right. A lawyer can make you unnknow what you know
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
This doc definitely did not come prepared.
@Sunflower-lu3sm Жыл бұрын
Prosecutor needs to be shut down by the judge. His approach and questioning are completely out of line. If I was there I would be charged with assault for attacking that as$ hol@.
@user-ht1xo3ki2t7 ай бұрын
I know I am late in the game on this court hearing but. People do things that are crazy all the time without being insane. He became completely obsessed with the idea that he was a killer. He wanted to prove it to himself and he did. That does not give him a pass. He picked people who had absolutely no way of defending themselves in the moment, wait till he tries that in prison. People grow up unloved all the time and they do not obsess themselves with killing. And it does not make them insane when they become a menace to society
@bellavita3097 Жыл бұрын
Dr. King is correct! And is spot on. One or two of his head injuries could’ve caused this mental illness. I wish they had a medical doctor to say what his CAT scan would look like. He should be in a mental hospital 100%
@loopy1159 Жыл бұрын
Dr King is an absolute dill. Wtf is wrong with u Amerikkians
@michelleabraham6625 Жыл бұрын
Must be watching something else bc this quack doctor is getting his HEAD SPLIT ....
@vickimaccallum7 ай бұрын
58:11 I think all up to this point actually points out that the prosecutor’s witness was not thorough. They’re kinda shooting themselves in the foot because it’s now clear she didn’t do the tests
@samfarley61226 ай бұрын
This doctor was an idiot
@chapmans847 ай бұрын
Who could handle this treatment.
@ladybuglwaw40507 ай бұрын
Doctor ? I don’t think so
@aliciazermeno1315 Жыл бұрын
They are really not treating this doctor very well
@michelleabraham6625 Жыл бұрын
Why should they when the doctor is a HIRED LIAR !!!!
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
But he's not on trial.
@melsafken7647 ай бұрын
@@spirit13the1st6but his testimony IS on trial.
@incarau6 ай бұрын
All the abuses that Ethan was witness and the fact of ignoring him, and the parents fault of letting him to watch videos that at his age shouldn’t be watching those videos.
@incarau6 ай бұрын
The male prosecutor is angry and rude.
@lesleyhughes3174 Жыл бұрын
Sound @ witness box is shocking
@oleksowurszula6 ай бұрын
What a mess 🤦🏻♀️
@MoonLight-yr6of Жыл бұрын
The prosecutor’s questioning is disrespectful. He is dissecting and nitpicking away at the doctor's report. A doctor's report should hold as much weight as the evidence does. The prosecutor is speaking to him tartly and rudely a bit, and it's impressive to me this Doctor can withstand the insults. The prosecutor disagrees with the doctor's finding. He should hire his doctor and get a second opinion and then come back to this and see what was found. Make a comparison.
@christinawadsworth501 Жыл бұрын
The quack didn't come to court very well prepared. His testimony is meaningless and his credibility shot
@loopy1159 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@jupo9928 Жыл бұрын
He had massive holes in his report. This is how trials work.
@loopy1159 Жыл бұрын
He was a paid witness for the defence nothing at all to do with the prosecution. They had their own dr report Did u miss that? He was hopeless never did much at all he didn't even read all journals or watch the films used txts from years ago. he made things up as he went along. He was a bubbling mess. He knew nothing about the shooter. I'm pretty sure no one will ever give him a job as a witness again he was dreadful. You need to go watch it again, he couldn't cite where he got his information from, he admitted that as he went along. He didn't even have the correct documents. It's like he made it up as he went along. He worked out to be good for the prosecution. How did you not get that??
@Sunflower-lu3sm Жыл бұрын
I totally agree, this procicuuter is down right rude and condescending. The Dr. is aware of this attack and is taking his time to respond accurately and thoroughly to avoid being processiquted by this nasty attacker.
@edithcrosby840 Жыл бұрын
The volume ucked up 👂
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
This must be so difficult for him to go against his colleagues findings.
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
And yet he is in the right because the other doctor diagnosed the kid with zero tests performed which is a travesty.
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
@@fernandaolivares7926 I agree to that
@user-zp9br7jk9k Жыл бұрын
he's being paid to say this.
@hathhath24447 ай бұрын
I actually don't think this was that bad. They had to attack everything he said because it was a good start for defense. If you wanna see terrible expert, check Leticia stauch and her expert. That was definitely worse!
@derekjames-pq6ii Жыл бұрын
Who wasn't Bully
@olive37007 ай бұрын
Are you saying you were a bully?
@JennyLouLou7 ай бұрын
Im betting someone's assistant is in HUGE trouble for these major scew ups.
@tamirevoir15007 ай бұрын
Even if he has a heavy case load hard to remember everyone ,this one is pretty different
@incarau6 ай бұрын
All of them are bad for you. So, don’t deceived people.
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
They should provide a decent desk to the doc.
@christinawadsworth501 Жыл бұрын
he didn't ned to bring his props to court. The guys a quack
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
@@christinawadsworth501 I agree with you there
@user-xc5cw5lu5h4 ай бұрын
He mean
@derekjames-pq6ii Жыл бұрын
He was bullied not shot
@riverjewel7 ай бұрын
Is there a part 13?
@karimahoney57087 ай бұрын
What’s with the egg demonstration? How lame!
@naomivantonder1161 Жыл бұрын
I do not think this doc was briefed on what will be expected from him and this is also his first time in court. He sounds a bit unsure of his answers. Where is this dr from? Which country?
@TakenTook Жыл бұрын
The defense attorney did not seem to prepare him for cross examination. But it is very surprising he didn't have exact citations for the various assessment tools and research studies that he used just as a matter of routine! As a medical professional familiar with academic research, he should already be used to documenting things in a very detailed way, whenever giving a presentation. Even if he was just giving a lecture to a group of colleagues at a continuing medical education event, he should cite all of his sources, either as footnotes in his slides, listed in an electronic syllabus, or printed as part of a paper syllabus. I'm shocked he wouldn't have done at least as much before testifying in a court case, whether or not the defense attorney recommended that he do so
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
I disagree, the questions where all trick questions with no relevance just to confuse him, he actually held his own, he kept repeating he based his diagnose on the many tests he performed which the state's expert did not. Not one single psychologist would agree on diagnosing someone with zero tests! The prosecution had no leg to stand on today and it was obvious because the doctor never contradicted himself. I don't think there is psychiatrist watching this that would disagree with this doctor and many (if not all) would have a problem with the state's expert diagnosis.
@fernandaolivares7926 Жыл бұрын
@@TakenTookhe did have the details of all the tools he used, he just didn't have exact dates and times. He was able to list and explain every single test he performed which are the basis for any diagnose, the expert who did not perfom ANY tests was the state's expert.
@TakenTook Жыл бұрын
@@fernandaolivares7926-- While I agree this expert does know what he is talking about, and he performed the necessary testing to determine that Ethan is indeed mentally ill, and most likely has a type of psychosis, I'm surprised that he left very simple citations out of his report. I'm sure he could find the exact references that the prosecuting attorney was asking for, but I'm surprised he didn't just automatically have those available as part of his report. I agree with you that the prosecuting attorney is just trying to rattle him, and not all of the questions are relevant. But having the exact literature citations for the assessment tools and research studies that he included is a very simple and usually automatic part of composing any type of report or presentation.
@aslizera Жыл бұрын
Really!? You’re asking where he is from! Does it matter he is a human being just like you the only difference is you’re a bully, you actually need him maybe you can change your mind in a good way. You are full of hate
@bluckyjones Жыл бұрын
Man....im sorry but the defense council sucks azz.....i completely get the points this doc was trying to make & i agree & believe that this kid was failed from day 1....his parents were selfish & pure trash!!! They absolutely play a huge part in why this kid did what he did & imo i feel like he acted in a way to try to prove to his parents to take him seriously. Like im screaming for u to pay me attention & help me but u ignore me & think ima joke by minimizing every thought & idea that i have so watch this....lets see how invisible you think i am after i do something so horrific u have no choice but to see me & take notice that im sick now. It makes me sick that he felt he had to go to this level to be seen & heard. Im not absolving him from responsibility im simply saying he sure af didnt get there on his own. Put his garbage box mom & dad up under the jail. 😫🤬🤬
@Leifmommy7 ай бұрын
This doctor is like high hahaha hahaha look at him come on eh Not reliable doctor to me how you brought him to be here to be witness for what eh no wonder this kid found guilty hahaha
@a-jheney1027 ай бұрын
Not a good idea when defense attorneys are this aggresively disparAging in tine & demeniur when trying to.insinuate a prejudice frim.tge wutness ratger than a reasoned opinion .
@ExploreAmerica Жыл бұрын
I bet if teachers were allowed to carry and conceal schools wouldn’t be such a target. People with guns go to the place of least resistance, police stations, not gun clubs.
@christinawadsworth501 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry that your mother was unable to get an abortion when she found out that you are retarded
@ileanahernandez1709 Жыл бұрын
Eliminate the guns eliminate the killings.
@jupo9928 Жыл бұрын
And what if a teacher doesn't want to use a gun? What if they accidentally kill a kid? What of a kid steals the gun which is now very available within the classroom and shoots their peers and teachers. It doesn't work. We should try and fix the issues on a societal level and provide a safety net when we have harming parents.
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
It would be a disaster. A lot of women ( who are the majority of teachers in America) dont want any parts of a firearm.
@ruthcassidy60527 ай бұрын
I'd never allow my child(ren) to go to a school where the teachers are armed.
@ExplorewithSarahlouise Жыл бұрын
That prosecutor is useless I think they might lose
@hansmir54437 ай бұрын
Its mostly on the parents shoulder. Some parents raise kids like they are free to do anything
@jackiebaker16787 ай бұрын
This psychologist is brilliant!!! The male prosecutor is a jerk ( or worst that I can’t say herself) IMHO
@melsafken7647 ай бұрын
?? Huh? The Dr didn't administer the required tests. He didn't provide references for his report. His interviews were not dated. There were 3 different reports floating around. The Dr. didn't even bring his calendar which is absolutely required.
@brocktonma.1816 Жыл бұрын
The black “Dr” at the end is useless.
@spirit13the1st67 ай бұрын
The" black docter" we been here over 400 years and you still talk crazy like that.
@brocktonma.18167 ай бұрын
@@spirit13the1st6 yup
@kristinludwig48287 ай бұрын
He’s literally the only doctor in the video. You don’t need to label him as “the black one”. 🙄