Miraculous Ladybug: Adrien should be the MC

[@GabeKis-fz8tn]

He should be just as much of a mc as Marinette. Cuz he's a perfect cliffhanger character. His father is the main villain and he's not so ordinary.

[@thexreaderspeaks]

Agreed 100%

[@leonorakristinerozalinamll9473]

Ditto!

[@Dragon-Light]

Fun fact, cat noir once use night vision, I don't remember when, but he did.

[@AbigailArmstrong-t5l]

first epsode of season 1

[@cenk.3467]

@@AbigailArmstrong-t5l No he used it in episode stormy weather

[@floqzzz]

@@cenk.3467 stormy weather is the first episode, the pilot

[@cenk.3467]

@@floqzzz Origins Part 1 is the first episode.

[@floqzzz]

@cenk.3467 It's Stormy Weather-, In chronological order, the first episode is Origins, but the actual first episode is Stormy Weather because is the pilot.

[@keriannekerr1876]

I think the first mistake with Miraculous was making it so that Ladybug alone could restore everything with "Miraculous Ladybug". I think it would have been better if Chat had a role in that process, for example: "Catalyst" would set something in motion and therefore would be used to activate the Miraculous ladybugs so that they could clear out AND rebuild the damage. Let us not forget that destruction is necessary to replace with something newer and possibly better. Or instead of "De-evilize" (I have no idea what that word would be in the original French version) it could be Chat's "Purr-ify" since again, destroying the bad stuff is necessary to clear space for good stuff or in the akuma's case, to remove the harmful energy. Sorry, had I watched up to 3:20 I would know you had the same idea. I also had the idea of "Catastrophe" to be his bad luck version of Ladybug's Lucky Charm in the sense that he could then tap multiple things and the villain would trip and fall through them all like dominoes

[@thexreaderspeaks]

I love your catastrophe and purr-ify idea

[@4eversight781]

In my headCannon, and I think it would be the opposite of ladybug similar, but opposite. Miraculous harm is turn everyone who died into a variation of undead and turned the damage building into undead building or haunting building something similar. Tragedy trinket is a massive area effect target, the individual into receiving a massive harmful bad luck that would lead to death or lead them to defeat the enemy when I was lifting a finger. Sounds great, but it will be gory very gory. And finally de-evilize I say he will receive a second sense, like he knows where is the Akuma and probably eat it or suck the Akuma out of the object and gifted to ladybug. Like a cat bringing in a dead mouse.

[@Im_aMEIzing]

3:45 Actually, CN has night vision! I'm pretty sure it was shown in Stormy Weather, but then, never again...

[@susomadas4254]

He is perfect, kind, handsome, friendly charming, an ideal person and modern prince. I have a lack of words to describe him And l also don't expect that Thomas will make adrien the Mc but he can give him at least some priority like in season 6 chat noir will also know the identities of the other heroes like ladybug This is enough for us😊😊😊

[@jerometheboser]

Yet Cat Noir isn’t. Cat noir has flaws, even though Adrian (apparently) doesn’t.

[@susomadas4254]

Yes I know but I love chat noir also because they are the same person besides once someone said that when you love someone you should love both of his sides

[@leonorakristinerozalinamll9473]

It could be fun to watch Chat Noir vs Chat Blanc. Adrien fighting his own alternative futureself🥰😁.

[@HyperHeroesYT]

And then Thomas would be like "Why do you all have such a problem with a girl being better than a boy?" Like, nobody has a problem, and that not even it. We just want them to be equal. Cat can be the better and stronger fighter, Ladybug can be the smarter and strategic. Sentimonster Adrien is sh*t, and I headcanon that it is not true. Can yall imagine if Adrien was a solo hero or main character? Thomas is still acting like we've never had a good female superhero before like... hello? Wonder Woman? Supergirl? Captain Marvel? (Ehh little iffy-) theres plenty.

[@usernotfound_____yet]

THANK YOU! Also, the idea that a guy has to be nerfed down so a girl can look good is quite misogynistic. Astruc probably didn't mean it this way but he should listen when people tell him how problematic this is.

[@sarakennedy3467]

I think if he was the main character the show would be more depressing but I for one would love that. Marinette annoys me a lot, I still don't hate her but Adrien's life would make for a more mature cartoon which I'd love to see

[@thexreaderspeaks]

Sameeee

[@mthecreator721]

I think the sentimonster Adrien plot twist is so bad - I never liked it as a theory (in the way that it was fun seeing people speculate, but I didn't like the implications of it being canon), and I hate it being canon It just removes so much to Adrien's character - he's not an abused child who struggles to communicate with his father because of how cold he is to him, no, he's in fact just programmed to do that Like ?? why ??? It removes the need for character growth on his part, because now that there is no one to control him, he can just - do whatever !! He's not a bit too innocent and gullible because he was cut from the world and didn't have enough social interactions when he needed those, no, it's just that he's *programmed* to be sweet and gullible and has a hard time understanding *real* humans !! That just blocks the suggestion of character growth by stating he can never have it in our faces, "because that's just how he is" He's not different from Chloe Bourgeois in the fact that they were both rich friends, but she turned out like this because she wasn't loved enough by her mother and he turned out like that because he was loved by his mother and lost her, noooo no no, he's just *PROGRAMMED TO BE LIKE THAT* !!! And so is Chloe by the way, except she's just a shit human. Perhaps it could be better of a story arc if it was handled differently, but let's be honest, we should have never expected anything from the guy that cancelled the Chloe redemption arc And yes, if he hadn't been made a sentimonster, just look at all the character growth we could have followed, had Adrien been made the MC !!! I rest my case.

[@Meows920]

I absolutely agree with u 100%

[@featherexe]

Personaly I always loved the senti theory bc of the angst it implied, I just fell like the senti aspect is a allegory for abuse but that's just my point of view. Also I never felt like it took anything of Adrien as a character, he's still the same, just controled by his abusive father to never say no 🤷‍♀️. Thought the writting for it was bad expecialy for Kagami insertion in it, like was rushed asf.

[@mthecreator721]

​@@featherexe For it to be an allegory of abuse... it needs the allegory- The sentimonsters, in the show, are eh. As you said, not well written. Not even written with the attempt of making the control on them an allegory for abuse. What it takes from Adrien is his humanity. Quite literally. He will not grow out of the trauma of having an abusive parent - the control just suddenly dissapeared. He's not clumsy socially because He's not a kid who was isolated and abused - he just doesn't understand humans. He's not proof that rich kids like Chloe can turn out good if their mother loves them - his personality was just programmed to be kind and gullible. And sure, that can still make a great character - but a different character, written differently. This destroys the expectations we had, the angst we could've had, the struggles some of us could've related with... Though as someone who never digged into the theory due to my hate for it, I'm curious of the potential it had in your opinion ?

[@featherexe]

@mthecreator721 i always loved the theory bc of the huge potential it had for a Adrien/Cat Noir breaking free of his father abuse arc. And i had read many Adrien angst fics or even adrien runaway fics with the senti theory in it that were written like gold ( also i watched some show that had a artificially created character, that had good arc and angst lol). But the writter of miraculous literally throwed his breaking free from abuse arc away in the s5 finale bc they didn't wanted him to be involved in the fight (they planned it since s3 💀) . Anyway for the way the senti theory was made canon into the show literally it only make sense for Adrien and Felix if you are a hardcore agreste lore analyser that catched all the little hints. In any case the season 5 was rushed asf in my opinion....Marinette love interest switch, Kagami joining the senti, Feligami, Tomoe being added as a antagonist at the last minute, Marinette backstory, Feligami telling Marinette about the Agreste lore but she forget about it one ep later, the s5 finale.....ect....

[@mthecreator721]

@@featherexe I think I can see what you're talking about, and if only we had better screenwriters on Miraculous, we could've had a good arc. A good allegory, as you said. Season 5 wasn't just rushed, it's also the product of a really badly written series overall... with no hopes of becoming better with time, considering *who* is running it. Nothing was ever planned in advance, thus why the evidence of Felix and Adrien being sentimonsters are so hard to catch before S5-... After all the backlash on the previous seasons I guess Astruc just thought that picking fanfic material and mixing it his way into the show would make everyone happy, but- eh-... In any case, all the problems in this show really just boil down to "be better, write better". Not just the screenwriters (they do their jobs, what they are asked to do), mainly just *the guy*, our show creator Astruc. Somehow, every decision he makes manages to make the show more infuriating, and he doesn't even try to search what's wrong- I wouldn't always believe what they had "planned" for long before any season came out, sometimes they just say that to appease the fans (even if that doesn't work). Anyways, it's not because it was planned out that it's good writing, they should try to understand that at least... But oh well, not everyone is suited for character writing and showrunning, and that proves it.

[@thexreaderspeaks]

I forgot to mention that I really miss Adrien's puns :(

[@Piperz_Editz]

Me too he barely made ANY in S5!

[@n.abookgirl2457]

Easy fix, bring back Chat Noir’s hearing and night vision abilities in SS1 and let Adrien break up with Marinette. One word… TOXIC! Easier fix, just watch the movie.

[@salty_fishy9387]

How is it toxic?? 😂

[@thexreaderspeaks]

​@@salty_fishy9387yeahhh, I also think that sentence is a bit confusing

[@n.abookgirl2457]

I am sorry, but the girl literally broke into Adrien’s house three times, stalked him, followed him to Shanghai, knows his schedule for the next 3 years, stole his phone, plucked a strand of his hair, almost kissed him as a wax statue (despite not knowing at first, still creepy), sniffed his pillow, hated Kagami when Adrien went out with her, keeps him in the dark, and lied to his face about Gabriel being a hero. The only thing missing at this point is her becoming a control freak. If, you like Marinette that is fine, I just feel bad for Adrien, he deserves better imao.☺️

[@n.abookgirl2457]

I am talking about his relationship with Mari, not him as a character.👍

[@thexreaderspeaks]

​@n.abookgirl2457 oooh you meant that his relationship with marionette is toxic. I agree, I just didn't get what u meant

[@fateena2908]

Honestly I think I know what the problem is..... *Marinette is annoying I agree..* It all started with the stalking in season 3 then it lead to her being a *BEEP* In season 4 ignoring cat noir . After that in season 5 it was fine These were the problems with her and yeh an MC can have personality issues but I completely agree that she should get called out more for it... But due to the terrible writing and portraying of the MC there are many good characteristics that get foreshadowed like she is creative,TOO kind,blah blah blah etc and according to me people are forgetting about this I also agree that Adrien would've made a better MC if the made him a bit less PERSONALITY LESS... and everything was amazing till season 3, except for the stalking.. and her friends being cool with it-LOL Season 4 was terrible but it also spiced things up so..... Idc season 5 was good no one can convince me oherwise,some things could've been better.. like mostly the way it was written ,And marinette getting alot of powers making an imbalance And honestly I like that adrien is a sentimonster though it could've obviously been portrayed better.. But since the start he was always controlled and locked up by his father soo.. maybe that was enough for the first 2 seasons but they should have given more hints in season 3 Also I like the idea of a human being in love with a sentimonster and the hardships they would have to go through!!! And also Manon being lila/cerise makes sense but also doesn't... Also I am hoping for a fight between marinette and adrien in season 6 after he finds about the lie marinette made to PROTECT her loved ones. Maybe even a break up!! and obviously we all are hoping for marinette to get akumatized in season 6 and face real bad consequences at least for a character development then??! But people hating on marinette for that lie in season 5 finale honestly doesn't make sense cause she knows it'll cause consequences and she is already a mess in season 5 because of that one lie she made as we saw in london special. But the thing that doesn't make sense is how they still haven't figured out that they're ladybug and cat noir cause by now if they love each other they should've!! Ofcourse catnoir is completely different from adrien and all but atleast through their voices?? Chloe not getting a redemption arc is actually kinda fine by me ( I KNOW IMMA RECEIVE ALOT OF HATE FOR THIS!!) Ok I know this long thingyy makes me seem jobless but I needed to spit this all out!!!

[@elCarina15]

@fateena2908 Totally agree with these (except that Chloe also deserves that redemption arc🙁). I mean the show is not over yet, and chances for Marinette's character development in the coming season/s is still possible. Also, I think the chaos that could happen if Adrien finds out, about Marinette/Ladybug's lie about his father, would be way more interesting (than if Marinette told him the truth right away). Well that's just my opinion hahah. Marinette's character is just a teenager who's already facing some big and very serious problems that're too much for her to handle, it's pretty normal to make wrong decisions some times (except with the stalking though cuz that's just her being obsessed i dunno 😅).

[@elCarina15]

I just realized I don't like the idea of Adrien being a sentimonster. Cuz what if a time would come he got really angry to the point that Ladybug and other heroes would find it hard to stop him, and someone who knows that he's a sentimonster (like Nathalie) help them, but the best and only option they'd think would be to erase him. I'm over thinking hahah, but I'd cry a bucket if that ever happens.

[@jskdhwoxbeod]

Astruc literally imagines Mari to be his and his ex's imaginary daughter. He just wants his 'daughter' to be perfect but that's literally a recipe for disaster in every show. He keeps trying to push a feminist rhetoric by making Mari so strong and Adrien barely doing anything. Even the finale episode doesn't have him facing his father who was the villian for 5 seasons. It doesn't hurt to have a guy as a main character coming from a feminist herself and it does hurt for the male protagonist to barely have importance in the show. Barely any importance and attention was ever set on Adrien, he's always the damsel in distress. This isn't true feminism, Astruc. You're just taking care of his imaginary kid, not making a good show. Especially with how he handled Chloe's character I knew this show wasn't gonna get any better.

[@anandawarnasooriya7681]

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[@thexreaderspeaks]

[@ReginaMacKenzie1994]

i hated the sentimonster revelation because it removed most of the complexities and personal agency from the characters. It would be like finding out that Adrien was a robot this whole time. As for him being the MC, I concur that he is much more compelling and likeable than Marinette. However, much of what works so well about the series is the love-square. I think this show would work better if both Adrien and Cat Noir was equally as important as Marinette and Ladybug. I just think that the series is too lop-sided and imbalanced. I would fix that: balance it; make them both equally important.

[@thexreaderspeaks]

Ya because they've butchered Marinette's character too tbh so making them equally important would prolly be the best writing decision. I also think making them equal would make their parallels (like how being a hero has taken away Marinette's freedom while giving Adrien freedom) more obvious. That was how it was in season 2 and I really liked that.

[@AbigailArmstrong-t5l]

the night vision part was only used in the first epsode of season 1 and the bad luck part was one of the og.concepts back when Felix was the one to play the role of Chat Noir before they desided on Adrien and before they made Felix,Adrien*s cousin

[@thexreaderspeaks]

that's interesting

[@hafsa_tapes]

when felix was chat noir 🤔

[@usernotfound_____yet]

​@balaxedits123 In the original concept of the show. Just search "miraculous pv" on Google and you'll see the original concepts of the show.

[@Adrinette_yenn]

Yes he definitely deserves more screen time 100% 💚💛

[@FafaRoblox699]

FRRR Ngl I feel like he is more important than Marinette

[@user-jv8cj1rm3w]

The thing that puzzles me is why the fans didn't leave Miraculous after knowing that Adrian is a sentimonster. ??💔🤨He can die with the snap of a finger. And let's not forget his resemblance to Emily, as well as the angel costume that he wore, and the last thing is Thomas's great hatred for Adrian. When you search the Miraculous vote on the official sites, you will find that the Chat noir is the number one favorite 1 by the fans, and there is no one who hates him or publishes bad things about him, but Ladybug is ranked 6th, and there are many hate videos towards her, so why did they not leave the show? 🙂It is clear that its ending will be sad because when the writer hates a character, he dies.😭 I left the show after knowing that Adrien is a sentimonster and also the hints that You confirm his death in the end,😢 and yes, you are right, Adrien deserves the best and to be the main character.🤧 Miraculous views must decrease, and therefore the show will be canceled and rerun by another company that respects males and females🫂 and is able to make Adrien and Marinette the main characters 👏

[@thexreaderspeaks]

Ya, the fans not dropping the show makes no sense, I dropped it after I watched the first episode of szn 4

[@elCarina15]

But the ones who created the sentimonster are the only ones who could vanish them with a snap of a finger, right? And Gabriel and Emily are already dead, so..?

[@hafsa_tapes]

​@@elCarina15 yes and Adrien has both rings so he is neither controlled by anyone more

[@usernotfound_____yet]

​@@elCarina15 Anyone who uses the peacock miraculous can get rid of any sentimonster. This is proven in the episode feast where Mayura threatened feast with poofing him if he tries to attack her.

[@elCarina15]

@@usernotfound_____yet oh I forgot about that 🤔 but I actually thought she was just playing as the bigger person between them and tricked him something so he won't attack her hahah

[@JoseLynito_OFC]

dude create a AU where Cat Noir was the main character, That would be interesting

[@FafaRoblox699]

Yeah That’s a great idea

[@ggrarl]

In my story, I try to give "screen time" to all the characters I made into heroes - Marinette, Adrien, Chloé, Zoé, Nino, Alya, Luka, and Kagami.

[@evilrules2124]

In stormy weather, Cat had night vision and at some point in the show (I'm not sure which episode) he was also had advanced hearing. Unfortunately, these powers don't appear again as far as I remember. I do agree with you though. So much wasted potential.

[@Piperz_Editz]

Bro was written to have 0 personality and he was SO forced to be the damsel in distress.

[@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440]

Have you even watched the show? Why do you think that?

[@Piperz_Editz]

@@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440 yes I HAVE watched the show. I’ve seen every episode. Have you not seen how many times he’s been saved by Ladybug? Or how many times his reactions were unrealistic?

[@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440]

@@Piperz_Editz Both Cat Noir and Ladybug have saved each other; that's the point of their partnership. Adrien has even stepped in to confront akumatised villains in his civilian form, which is another testimony to his bravery. And when were his reactions unrealistic?

[@KennaBoBemma]

@@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440 I don't think it's that they're unrealistic reactions on Adrien's part. I think it's unrealistic reactions on Marinette's part. She's a good character, but the number of times she (as Ladybug) disregards Cat Noir, ignores his advice, uses him as basically a human shield while she does all the "important" stuff is insane. It really becomes apparent that this is the case in the end of s3 and basically all of s4. But once Marinette learns about Adrien's rough childhood, and then even later in s5 learning that he's a Sentimonster and his dad is Hawkmoth (or Shadowmoth, whatever you wanna call him), she views Adrien as someone she has to "save" instead of someone she can help walk alongside while he figures things out. If she had just told Adrien about her feelings concerning Gabriel, or told him about all his family stuff she discovers in s5, Adrien would be capable of handling the situation himself, or with her help. But instead she makes herself into "the hero" of his story, which basically removes any say Adrien has in any of this. Hence the "damsel in distress" trope. He doesn't get to choose his own destiny even if he had the ring that can control him on, because Marinette refuses to tell him about his own damn life in the hopes of "keeping him safe". Marinette was the one who wanted Adrien to be free of the restrictions in his life the most, but consequently becomes the person restricting him, as both Ladybug and Marinette.

[@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440]

@@KennaBoBemma I disagree with your assessment. Ladybug never disregards her partner, and she has always valued his advice and support. Their instances of conflict are very few, and Ladybug pushing him away in season 4 is caused by her trauma induced by the events of "Cat Blanc". She eventually realises her mistake and apologises to him in the finale, and he accepts her apology wholeheartedly (do you really think that's "0 personality", OP?). As for him being used as a human shield, he is the one who is willing to sacrifice himself by directly confronting the villain in order to give Ladybug time to derive a plan from her Lucky Charm. How you view Marinette's decisions is also misconstrued: she always knew how rough Adrien's childhood was, which is why she is willing to let him believe that the scarf which she gave him for his birthday is actually his father’s present. Once she discovers his senti-human nature and his father's identity, she seeks to protect him by lying about his father's atrocities. This is not considered "saving", but rather a lie meant to protect Adrien from the bitter truth. She then gives him the rings containing his amok in order to ensure that he has full agency over his life, which demonstrates how much she cares for him and will always support him along the way. She couldn't just tell him the horrific truth which would scar him forever; however, we know that she will face serious consequences for those lies in season 6. It's not that she doesn't trust Adrien, but because she doesn't want to see him in distress. He's not a damsel in distress whom she wants to protect, but someone she deeply loves whom she wishes to not be tormented by the truth. We have all lied to our loved ones to comfort them. It is a trademark of human nature. Marinette is not restricting him whatsoever. As Ladybug, he is her closest partner whom she eventually develops feelings for. The fact that she doesn't share secrets with him is due to her possessiveness and her role as Guardian. In her civilian form, she seeks to ensure his well-being by granting him the rings and comforting him through his grief. You should also realise that she's also in immense distress due to her lie, which is the premise of the London special.

[@mondayvlogs9617]

Guys I've bad news, I recently read the PDF of Season 6 and once AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GETTING CAT NOIR IN THE FINALE. IT'S GONNA BE BUGNOIRE AGAIN!! If things go luke this, I'll stop watching the show. For. Real.

[@mxxnngurl23]

you need more subs 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@thexreaderspeaks]

tysm for ur support :)

[@YamiyugiXenith]

Sofia is a way better character than marinette

[@jonelrobinson7432]

Way better!

[@FafaRoblox699]

FRR Sofia at least makes mistakes and She faces the consequences of her actions and at least she is not a creepy Stalker

[@jonelrobinson7432]

Agreed! Adrien is way more interesting than Marrinette! Also yes! Sofia the First is great MC and better than Marinette because Sofia is actually kind and sweet to others and is not bias and choosing who to be kind to and who not to. She is kind to everyone.

[@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440]

@@jonelrobinson7432 Marinette is also kind to those who deserve it. Are you really saying that she should extend her kindness to Chloé and Lila as well?

[@jonelrobinson7432]

@@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440 well yes I get Lila is irredeemable but Lila wouldn’t have started this whole mess has LB let Lila alone and expose herself instead of embarrassing her and she shouldn’t give up on Chloe either since she was showing that she can change, plus she literally chooses Kagami because she was close to Adrian when choosing a hero and not Chloe since she was suited for the job because her Chloe parents were akumatized. Plus Gabriel was given a chance to change and he didn’t change at all. Plus she literally forgave a terrorist over Chloe and replaced her with Zoe which is stupid. She should at least forgive her. Not saying Chloe and her should be friends or anything but it is still hypocritical. Chloe, a teenager can’t change meanwhile Gabriel a adult, gets rewarded with a statue, like make that make sense. People like Chloe can change and saying that bullies can’t change at all even when trying to better themselves sends a terrible message to kids. I can get Gabriel and Lila being irredeemable but Chloe. No. Imagine Sofia giving up on Amber or Cedric simply just because they did mean stuff to her. If she hadn’t shown kindness to them, Amber would still resent her and Cedric would have taken over the kingdom fully. Chloe writing was wasted all because of a arrogant creator who just can’t take advice for his own good.

[@CelineTheSteamer]

​@@jonelrobinson7432 Chloe never wanted to change

[@jonelrobinson7432]

@@CelineTheSteamer I respectfully disagree. Chloe did apologize to Ms. Bustier in Zombiezou

[@CelineTheSteamer]

@@jonelrobinson7432 After the apologize... Did Chloe repeat her actions?

[@AbdulSaboor-r9b]

He is perfect the title have be a miracleus of cat noir him cute, handsome, charming eavin his family was a villein and he is so many times high light for example his senti monster and his family was a villain marinate like him a lot he his very disturbed for lost mother and then father I really think season 6 was a miracleus of cat not and ladybug have lu lucky charm power because people think is a symbol of lucky Chand so if cat nails used to destroy things he have power of bad luck because people think that black cat is kind of bad luck and it's was interesting then no one defeat him even ladybug and he doesn't need ladybug help he can rescue alone by himself when this cartoon was started identifying he have a power of bad luck and now the miracleus all power was introducing one by one in season one and five is all about ladybug but now it's all about catnorr

[@thexreaderspeaks]

What do you guys think about the Adrien sentimonster storyline?

[@UnholyGrave834]

It's stupid and feels like a copout by the writers.

[@thexreaderspeaks]

​@@UnholyGrave834 fr

[@AbigailArmstrong-t5l]

I never like it,at first when it was a theory was fine but make it canon absolutely not!

[@anandawarnasooriya7681]

Actually catnoir has super hearig and night vision. Examples are animan and miraculous world paris

[@GiuliaAronica-w2q]

Infact Adrien is repleced by Ladybug in seaason 4

[@Kmorg410]

Why do people call him chat noir?

[@Rina-hh8bb]

I still prefer Marinette MC, because Adrien has a very clichê background. Just write she better and everything will be fine.

[@user-jv8cj1rm3w]

and vice versa marinette background is vulgar and not suitable to be the main character😒 according to the testimony of many fans if it were not for adrien background, story, and personality, the fans would not have watched the show 🚯even though I am a girl I do not like marinette to be the main character🙅🏻‍♀️ i want adrien and marinette to be the main character as they were in the season the 1 and 2

[@HyperHeroesYT]

Tbf, so does Marinette. The cliche of normal person with a normal life being socially awkward or whatever and bullied... isn't that almost every teenage superhero-? I guess both of them are cliches.

[@usernotfound_____yet]

Quite ironic, since Marinette is based on the "quirky girl" cliche.

[@Owell_Owl]

Marinette is not a Mary sue

[@thexreaderspeaks]

The dictionary description of mary sue: a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses. Ladybug literally unlocks the secret to giving special powers to miraculous holders and creating magical charms because she believes in herself. Everybody loves her and the ones that don't are villains. She barely ever faces consequences even though she messes up so many times. She is the only one able to handle a ton of miraculouses at once and she is really powerful as ladybug despite the fact that the cat and ladybug miraculous are supposed to be equal in power. Look if you want to like the show I'm not going to stop you but I respectfully disagree. Marinette is a mary sue.

[@Owell_Owl]

She gets them from the miraculous and once she loses them she is done for and not facing Conseqences does not make you a Mary sue Chloè,Lila and Tomoe faces little to no conseqences for their actions and they clearly aren't Mary sues and Marinette does face conseqences just not the ones you want her to face whenever she "stalks" Adrien because it's creepy she doesn't reach her goal it's only when she's herself then she is getting closer to him and Alya even calls her out on it and she stops with it Gabriel also managed to that she only managed to be weakened by mutiplying herself so only one individual of her was using 2 at a time

[@thexreaderspeaks]

@@Owell_Owl Chloe, Lila, and Tomoe are villains, they are not the main character. It doesn't hurt the story that much if villains or side characters are overpowered and they barely face consequences (Apart from being a bit unsatisfying ) but it does if the main character is like that. Also, that's not true, everyone hates Chloe, she left Paris, her mom and dad don't love her, she doesn't get to be a miraculous holder anymore, and she's replaced by her half sister. Lila will get defeated eventually and I honestly don't know about Tomoe because I rage quit the show. No hard feelings tho, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[@Owell_Owl]

She "stalks" Adrien to show children what not to do in life

[@_Kazuto_Kirigaya_]

@@Owell_Owl 🤣🤣that's the thing. I don't wanna talk about her being Mary sue because nowadays, people just start calling almost anyone(ok not just anyone but still) a mary sue, so forget that. But the problem is they advertise it as a "kids show", make Marinette do weird things like stalking(and many other), and she doesn't face any consequences for those things. So basically, a "kids show" is actively encouraging that stalking your crush is a good thing and there is nothing wrong in doing those things. You said "She stalks Adrien to show children what not to do in life", but the show never depicts stalking as bad, so how are kids supposed to know that stalking is actually bad and people face consequences for it, when they are watching a superhero show where the MC actively stalks and no one criticizes her but some even encourage her. S show is showing "She stalks Adrien to show children what to do in life with their crush or whatever".

[@Owell_Owl]

Well it takes more than just Interesting backstory 1. He is unable to make everyday mistakes it's required for the mc of a children's show 2. His lifestyle doesn't work well with the show unlike Marinette who is usually doing something different all the time Adrien in most Episodes is in house 3. He being abused which isn't that appropriate to show children and his episodes usually have different tone to Marinette's So basically the only way to make him the lead is to rewrite him entirely and then he would not be the Adrien everyone loves although he be given more screentime tjough he does feel like a side chracter sometimes

[@thexreaderspeaks]

Avatar the last airbender is also a kids show and the main character is faced with the genocide of his people (I think that's a bit darker than emotional abuse) and Zuko is physically abused by his father. The early seasons of winx club and my little pony also tackle some pretty mature themes and it works. I would actually argue that it's really important to teach children about abuse because it helps them identify when someone, including their parent, is doing it to them which will in turn help them know not to normalize that toxic behavior but to know that it is wrong. Aang makes everyday mistakes and he's even younger than Adrien is supposed to be but he is still the mc. So does Twighlight sparkle. I agree that it does take more than an interesting backstory but Adrien does do different things, he also has a double life just like Marinnette. They could make him the lead without rewriting him, it worked in season 2 when he had more of a focus. It's just that the writers have an agenda against him but tbh what I would really like is if they were genuinely equally important. Both should be main characters because both could be quite interesting if the writers wrote them better.

[@Owell_Owl]

Writing for children rules change all the time so something like smoking for example would not be ok to show now but and not every episode can be like Gorizilla or Simon says theres a video and yeah Adrien is definitely the less Better written and the one that gets less development than Marinette who is still well written as a whloe despite her bad writing moments Heres a a fully detailed Video on why Miraculous is the way it is apart from bad writing m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaevpJZnnJ2gfq8

[@thexreaderspeaks]

@@Owell_Owl I mean yes but the only reason the standard of writing has changed is because Hollywood thinks that just because sth is written for children it can be written in the dumbest way possible but kids deserve well-thought-out writing too. Also, Marinette is not well written, they failed her too, she could have been but they messed that up.

[@thexreaderspeaks]

@@Owell_Owl I don't think the writer's have any excuse for not writing miraculous in a better way. Because the movie was also for kids, but it was written well despite a few issues and it didn't let terrorists like Gabriel get away with their crimes.