Unreleased DOOKIE Song?! Bass Teacher REACTS to "J.A.R." by GREEN DAY

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➡️ I’m no stranger to Green Day, but hearing this unreleased track from 1994’s "Dookie" had me feeling like a teenager again! Jason Andrew Relva (abbreviated as "J.A.R.") is apparently a fan-favorite with its chordal bass intro, the song's delicate subject matter, and the early Green Day sound we've all come to love. I listen through the track for the first time and break down the beefy bass intro from Mike Dirnt, how it perfectly foreshadows the song's chord progression, Mike's gritty bass tone, the music theory behind the bridge's chord progression, exactly how they used the bass parts to achieve such a huge sound, and much more!
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Mark Michell is an internationally-touring and recording bass player known for his work with Scale the Summit, Tony MacAlpine, Tetrafusion, Watermox, and more. Michell is a published educator and author for Hal Leonard, the world's largest music publisher, and has taught bass clinics around the globe for many years. He founded Low End University in 2015, and has since enrolled over 2,500 students through his lessons program. Alongside his educational endeavors, he played on many Billboard-charting album releases and is sponsored by Jackson Basses, EMG Pickups, and Dunlop.
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[@LowEndUniversity]

What other sweet punk bass lines should I be doing?!

[@Melber1977]

Classic uk punk band : The Damned "Wait for the blackout", bassist at this time is named Paul Gray... he plays rickenbacker and his a killer bassist from this area

[@BaselessClaimYT]

Trademark by Hot Water Music

[@juliusseizure324]

“CHOKE” by Lagwagon. On the album “Double Plaidinum.”

[@xxxjanokickxxx]

Satanic surfers!

[@wesleyrostoll7371]

Cobra Skulls are a 3 piece with really cool bass lines. Just fun and bouncy, Cobra Skullifornia is one I really like.

[@coolbeenz]

"I don't know if it's gonna come back." Oh brother, it comes back so hard!

[@LowEndUniversity]

I have abandonment issues with bass intros 😅🤣

[@lukearcher8851]

The movie Angus changed me. The Angus soundtrack, in my opinion, is the greatest movie soundtrack.

[@bluestarorion]

AGREED. I forgot about it until this video, and now I'm crying with nostalgia. Haha

[@brianwilkinson9110]

Angus was amazing ❤

[@philthyphil7651]

Its not purple, it's plum

[@lukearcher8851]

I'm still here a$$ho!3.

[@johnnydropkicks]

I picked up the Angus soundtrack on CD for cheap a few years back. It was so worth it for the Green Day, Weezer and Goo Goo Dolls songs.

[@306_cstm]

Mike Dirnt is absolutely the reason why I play bass. I don't play too much punk stuff anymore, but his bass-isms almost always come out whatever oind of music I'm playing.

[@TranzparentMethods]

Green Day tuned to Eb from Kerplunk to Insomniac, then on Nimrod they went back to E standard and pretty much stayed there since.

[@staticprevails]

cool fact about the film Angus: Rob Cavallo, producer behind Green Day's Dookie, was an executive producer for the movie. big reason why I believe the soundtrack is so good. I kinda love the marching band version of "Am I Wrong" more than the original version.

[@philthyphil7651]

Only way to listen to that song. You need those marching horns

[@terciosantana4697]

"am i wrong" is just beautiful!

[@bobeink]

Yup

[@michaelkarabinos116]

When you play it slow it sounds like No One Knows off Kerplunk. Those early Green Day albums highlighted the bass so much and made them what they are

[@DARKMETL]

first thing i thought of when I just heard this again so many years later is that is sounds like a fatter version of something off either Kerplunk or the other early record.

[@Zfrk]

"I still hear 'When I Come Around c in the grocery store sometimes" Ouch. Right in the childhood.

[@LowEndUniversity]

😅😌

[@AislingPhoenix]

They tuned down a half step until Nimrod, and prior to recording Dookie they didn't use tuners at all. Billie and Mike would just tune by ear, which ended up landing them somewhere between a half step and full step below E standard.

[@ruffrydazz2032]

You sure about that? Kerplunk is definitely just a straight half step down.

[@yeeeehawwww9239]

Everyone gets their info from the internet.. so i believe this to a degree . Give or take

[@Theparadoxband]

@@ruffrydazz2032nah Kerplunk is slightly below Eb standard

[@blameitonben]

That's my only complaint about American idiot and after until really their album Saviors, the bass took a back seat as Billie Joe filled out their sound with multi tracking guitars and they had multiple back up guitarists for live shows. Check out 1981 to finally hear Mike really soaring again on Saviors.

[@corycourtney8923]

The guitars here are definitely multitracked too.

[@blameitonben]

@@corycourtney8923 Yeah, but the number of different guitar parts went to another level with AI, instead of just left and right panned multi tracks of basically the same part. He start experimenting more with octave chords and more lead parts, etc.

[@Matt92Machine]

Yes. You really notice Mike on the albums before AI. So many good basslines.

[@MysticClaws100]

Idk why people keep saying Saviors is a much better performance from Mike. I mean, not really. The trilogy has a ton of good baselines mixed in there. Saviors, idk…

[@DoNuT_1985]

Green Day is one of those bands that you hear one chord of and instantly know it is them. Pretty much the AC/DC of their generation, BJs riffing and Mike Dirnt's bass playing stayed a trademark pretty much through all their creative phases and evolution of their music. Even their "concept" albums are essentially short Green Day tracks woven into more complex pieces.

[@synje_grafx7732]

Love Angus. Great soundtrack. Excellent 90s flick.

[@alexanderkantakusiniii8411]

GO ANGUS

[@saint_double_k]

Green Day started it all for a lot of us. We migrated from Green Day to The Offspring and then to everywhere else. Being a kid in the 90s helped because of how this was all coming out at that time. This never gets old.

[@iwillsurvivethehighfivecauseia]

I like the smile on your face when you heard the outro. I have the same one every time I listen to it.

[@ceejluige4816]

Nirvana Nevermind is what got me into music. Green Day Dookie (especially Basketcase) is what made me want to play music. J.A.R. was the song that made me want to play bass. Great vid, man!

[@thedeadofpool]

the 3 songs that got me into bass. 1. J.A.R 2. Carousel- blink 182 (mark, tom and travis show) 3. YYZ- rush

[@ceejluige4816]

@@thedeadofpool That's a good list. I have to say that out of all the songs I"ve learned how to play on bass as a kid, I was most proud of learning carousel. Now, it barely phases me when I learned any new song, so it's a nice memory have being proud of learn stuff.

[@leftofpunk]

Are you also about 46 years old?

[@ceejluige4816]

@@leftofpunk Yes, sir. 43.

[@KurtTGS]

@@thedeadofpoolperfect list

[@JxBx80]

Angus is such a nostalgic movie for me. Reminds me of Jr High.

[@patsgarage8593]

I bought the Angus soundtrack JUST for this song back in the day before streaming lol

[@oatechaosincycles]

Me too!

[@samvakarian]

funny story about JAR: When I was... I think around 12 or 13 I begged my parents for a guitar. The next summer, acoustic guitar in hand, I had my first lesson and the guy asks me "is there anything in particular you want to learn?" So I put on JAR. He almost walked out 😆 Good stuff I love JAR. Mike Dirnt really taught me how important specific instruments and playing styles help give a band a musical identity/voice.

[@jthompson5341]

If You're Ready(Mr. Michell), maybe it's time for some serious Hardcore bass mastery. 7 Seconds, and the bass stylings of Steve Youth, will knock you out! start with, "This Is Temporary", "Here We Go Again Kids", "True Roots Show"(with a Horn), "Y.P.H." and the live version of, "Satyagraha" from Scream Real Loud. A rolling great bass line. I strongly recommend checking out this band in all its's variations, 7 Seconds are Hardcore Plus! Oh, and for a Happy bonus(and from their weird period), try "Happy Rain", a super lead bass song.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thanks man, I’ll toss these on the list!

[@Zaruf]

I highly recommend the entire Angus soundtrack! Had the CD back in the 90s and I still listen to those bands today: Green Day, Riverdales, The Muffs, Ash, Weezer, Tilt, Dance Hall Crashers

[@martinbaker1701]

And nobody knew about the Mark Hoppus fact until he revealed it in Chris Demakes podcast a couple of years ago! Now I can't believe I never noticed it before!

[@failedstates5315]

My lifelong best friend ended his life almost 4 years ago. This song makes me tear up like a baby because we grew up loving Green Day in the 90s. I miss my friend and this song is a reminder.

[@Xelaon]

Hope you’re doing well. Much love.

[@papo_parra]

keep it up, bro. and keep him alive with music!!!

[@Anhedoniaap]

Mark Hoppus came up with the opening of "What's My Age Again?" by trying to learn Green Day's "J.A.R." .

[@jeffkeevil6403]

Great video as always. A band I used to be in covered this song and we played it a lot live. I (as the guitarist, not bassist) always viewed it as in the key of Db, rather than how you were analyzing it in F#. So, that would make that B chord added in the bridge the bVII chord, rather than the IV chord. Both valid interpretations, I think, but each provide a different context/flavour. Keep up the great work! Love the channel!

[@josephupchurch7138]

This song is personal to me. It took on a whole new meaning for me after my best friend passed away in 2008. Hard to listen to sometimes, but it's gotten easier with time. Rest in peace, to my best friend and my brother, Keith Thomas Hunter (1984-2008).

[@8tonystark8]

Saw them a week ago here in Hamburg Amazing show. They played Dookie and American Idiot in full

[@ecurtisd]

The first time?!?! This has been one of my top 10 Green Day songs since the late 90’s! So glad you found this.

[@TheJoshlory]

I have one of Dirnt's signature Fenders, it plays so smooth, it's my go to bass after 30 years on the same Gibson Thunderbird. Song request "Got The Time" by Joe Jackson, killer bass solo in it, or "I'm The Man" or a number of his songs, his bass player, Graham Maby, is amazing!

[@wilhud]

I never thought about it at the time, but I grew up wanting to play bass and it probably had a lot to do with the punk music I was listening to. Strung Out, RKL, Pennywise, Lagwagon, Green Day, Guttermouth, Ten Foot Pole, 88 Fingers Louie, loved them all. Think Guttermouth's Hypocrite was the first bass line that I learned and remembered. That and Ten Foot Pole's Life were the two songs that I played over and over.

[@johnnieriot13]

My favorite song. The last verse was my senior quote.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Oh wow! 🥹

[@shep3942]

Ive never heard of this channel. I very much enjoyed your take on this. I will happily subscribe and look forward to more!

[@LowEndUniversity]

Awesome, thank you!

[@landmarkcreations1183]

You do such a good job on your videos man 👍

[@LowEndUniversity]

I appreciate that! 🥹🙏🏼

[@nachocrash2503]

my favorite green day song ... thank you brother

[@LowEndUniversity]

🙏🏼

[@Derek-mg2le]

May be my favorite Green Day song. Great video as always!

[@byronromig1]

this is great to hear you breaking this song down!

[@David_Downs]

I need to find the demo version of this song as well that ends the last line, so many end on "all I wanna do is..." and there is a demo that has a follow up, but i havent found it in ages. Will go through them and see, I know i have it somewhere.

[@matthewgerken7487]

Probably my favorite Green Day song and Angus was one of my favorite ‘90s movies.

[@yoyo_ma7677]

1:00 I was literally typing “Fun fact: Mark Hopus of Blink-182 wrote the opening…” then he mentioned that fun fact. This interview he got that fact from was on Chris Demakes podcast, Chris Demakes a Podcast, where he interviewed Hopus about writing the song “What’s my Age Again”.

[@OnyxSkiesXIX]

I love this song, it’s so much fun to play just like so many Green Day songs from this time period.

[@ryanbrown9940]

Good video and insight. That strung out baseline is awesome. Check out Maxwell murder by rancid and disconnected by face to face

[@pixelsandwich4104]

The hidden gem of the Green Day songs. Always been my favorite.

[@Jettonx]

Such an iconic song, really glad to see your take on this! Here’s a little recommendation Aiden - Fifteen! Massive AFI influences on that track I feel

[@james.houlder]

This song is legendary. Along with Poprocks and Coke 😊

[@Capnsensible80]

Also if you like these older bass-driven pop-punk songs, check out "We Threw Gasoline on the Fire and Now We Have Stumps For Arms and No Eyebrows" by NOFX. I know, unwieldy title but the bass line is killer. Fat Mike has a ton of great basslines, but this one is something special imo

[@kin3tics]

YES!

[@dlargom97]

such an incredible song from them. New Orleans from Rancid, Mutt from Blink182 or Coma City from Green Day's last album could be great

[@MysticClaws100]

You should check out Welcome to Paradise from Dookie. The bridge section in particular rocks but the whole song is great

[@julianhindermann1297]

1981 by Green Day is a newer track with also super sick basslines! Mike shredded it like crazy on this one

[@misturanderson]

Jason Andrew Relva. This song, the Angus soundtrack, and the movie Angus shaped my youth. Taught me strength and resilience. ❤❤❤

[@elihyland4781]

all time favorite GD song and ive lovd them for 30 years. love this channel

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thanks! I love you too!

[@landmarkcreations1183]

Certainly one of the most meaningful songs of Green Day’s earlier career

[@sadeau]

Loved this song when I first heard it on the Angus soundtrack in the 90s. One of the coolest GD songs ever.

[@dathorndike4908]

Great song. Overlooked way too often

[@BrianModesto45]

It inspired "man overboard' by blink. not what's my age again...and it was the bass part.

[@DenwoodOfficial]

You're absolutely right! When dookie came out, I was a teenager. That album became my life and I soon picked up my very first instrument. A bass guitar. :)

[@Hannuraina]

best green day song hands down

[@rowanplaysbass]

just found this channel and i honestly love this!! im not sure if you have yet, but I think a reaction to redundant by green day would be dope as well!

[@LowEndUniversity]

I'll check it out! Cheers!!

[@JasonAnarchyGames]

Great song choice and another great video!

[@judeseinermusic]

I find it interesting you hear the G as the I chord I definitely hear D as the I and than the C as like a bVII. Really its just what fits the open strings on the bass 😂

[@weakattheknees_]

I hear D as the I too, but G as the I also makes sense once the C in the bridge hits

[@landmarkcreations1183]

“Mutt” from Blink 182 or “Sincerely me”from New found glory would be sweet

[@slapnut825]

Mike and a whole host of punk bassists are the reason I play bass!!! Pick hard and fill the space I say

[@justintaylor6604]

Would love to see you do “The Magnificent 7” by the Clash or Police and Thieves by the Clash

[@billmacdonald]

Green Day switched to Eb tuning for Dookie and then pretty much stayed there. Their pre-dookie indie stuff is in E standard. In fact the song “Welcome to Paradise” from Dookie was recycled from their previous album, Kerplunk, but the Dookie version is a half step down.

[@coconutthecockatiel478]

One of the most interesting things about punk as a sound to me is how it reflects in the tribute songs. There's not a huge change and they're hard to pick out if you're not familiar with the background of the song, or aren't paying close attention to the lyrics. But if you're familiar with the band in question the difference in tone leaps out at you - Otherside by Rancid comes to mind. That's a song I have a deep connection to; I lost my brother a few years ago due to complications of an enlarged heart and so many of the lyrics in that song mirror our relationship

[@DrRhomboid_Goatcabin]

I’m pretty sure this was either on the UK release of Dookie or possibly one of the cd singles, because I had this song back then and never even heard of the film Angus

[@ClaTComo]

also one of my favourites Green Day song... gold period in nineties...

[@tbx59]

I've heard this a lot, is it on something else beside a soundtrack?

[@Capnsensible80]

Wikipedia unsurprisingly isn't exactly right on this one. There were 2 demos recorded in 92 and I believe the second was in 93 that were both different from the official release. The first demo is a slower tempo acoustic version, but the second is pretty close the the final release. Both demos featured a lot more backup vocals from Mike, but the first demo actually finishes the last line of the song, "All I wanna do is play" whereas every other version cuts off before finishing "All I wanna do is..."

[@diamondback3916]

Please do second generation junkies by crimpshrine

[@poetryofbeing]

The tension and release with the 4th chord where it wants to resolve...does the Blink 182 song make that resolution? Having heard the tune that was based on the intro that foreshadowed this chord progression, is it possible that our brains want that resolution?

[@LowEndUniversity]

I'd have to give it a listen...been a lifetime since I think I've listened to that Blink song critically!

[@B-rad37]

Mike was my original influence on bass. He is a main reason why I did so many fills in songs when I played. Then I added Ryan from mudvaynes influence and the two combined in me to make a very interesting player. Mike is still a fucking bass god!

[@speen19]

I think the song is actually in the key of D flat major, but for the sake of E flat tuning I'll just talk in scale shapes and call it D. If you imagine the opening as IV-I-V-I, I think it makes everything make more sense, especially why the C chord is so confusing and feels withheld; it's because they've been using the G Lydian scale with C# in each verse. So G is still kinda the root, but it's been in Lydian so when it goes to C, it's technically the flat VII in D but since you're feeling it in G it feels right when it kicks in!

[@francescoc6335]

Great video as always. If you want to stick with green day, i would suggest "stuck with me"

[@Aaron-be2pt]

Always has been, and always will be, my favorite Green Day son.

[@iangrogan5261]

I just want Green Day to be what they once were. Is that too much to ask for?

[@slumpybenny222]

If you haven't already, I recommend checking out the "Dookie Demo Tape" or "Cassette Demo" versions of this song. The bass is much more audible and you can hear some additional fills and accents that are a bit more buried here :)

[@Joshua_Evans]

Glad I was reminded of this song

[@LowEndUniversity]

Nice!!!

[@andrewbronstein9334]

Such a great song and so underrated

[@bluepaladin9630]

Like others have said, probably Green Day’s best record. Really cool for you to explain everything going on under the hood, thank you.

[@bryanb767]

Yesssss! Being annoying paid off! Thank you for doing this! Glad you enjoyed! Also don't know if you caught it, because his voice is very similar to Billie's, Mike is the one singing the outro.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thanks for your patience! 😉 And, whoa - didn’t catch that or discern a difference. How cool!!

[@bryanb767]

@LowEndUniversity yeah it's weird how close his voice is to Billie's.

[@kevinalexpeek4020]

My Fav Green Day song!

[@Ryan-The-Super-Lion]

Neobamboom - by tiger army Your intro to psychobilly (the bastard child of punk and rockabilly and its played on a double bass).

[@OkNoBigDeal]

Anything TigerArmy or The Living End

[@Ryan-The-Super-Lion]

@@OkNoBigDeal tigar army first album deadly bass. I haven't heard much living end but have known about them for a decade and am seeing them February on the salty dog cruise. They are the band I am not hugely familiar with that I decided to give a real proper listening to pre concert.

[@WOOKMEISTA]

You’re very talented 👌

[@blix666]

Literally the only Green Day song that I like, such a killer bass line.

[@Cappy508_]

amazing video! what is the pedal you use to downtune?

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thanks! It’s a Line 6 Helix!

[@paulhamernick9185]

Great Video. Thanks

[@chrisegg7936]

I think I would argue that the song's actually in the key of D (technically C#) and that the C chord is the flat VII and not the IV. But I realize this is just taking us right back to the sweet home alabama problem and ultimately it doesn't matter as long as it sounds good, especially in the context of punk music

[@LowEndUniversity]

I love this comment! This stuff is always circling in my head before I comment on it. It’s fun to conspire a bit over this. I went with what I said because the II chord seems to be really common in punk. Sometimes I feel it’s their way of getting the I-IV-V sound in a different way, kind of breaking those rules. Works really well with the vocal melody’s ability to suspend on the fourth down to the II chord, which I hear commonly with bands like NOFX. No right answer - fun to discuss!! 🤓

[@philthyphil7651]

I'm confused, it's clearly in D (C#) the chord progression is g d a d for the intro and the verse is a simple g a g d a so it's all around the I IV and V

[@chrisegg7936]

@@philthyphil7651 this isn’t incorrect, but it’s important to remember that the first chord in a progression helps dictate the tonal center. And because we’re dealing with power chords, none of the chords are technically major or minor. Since so many phrases in JAR start on that G chord, it’s not wrong to say that’s your key and the A and D are the II and V. It’s just a matter of interpretation, as music usually is :)

[@LowEndUniversity]

Yep! The less "data" a song gives you, the more plausible options exist for what key something is truly in. Lots of classic songs that vamp on 2 chords the whole time, and that's all they give you. An extreme example would be, say, a song is over E minor the whole time and maybe the vocal melody is simple with 4-5 notes. Well, the song *could* be in G major, or D major, but if the vocal melody doesn't ever utilize the note C, there's really no way to know. Then you have to do a little intuitive work on the cadence of the melody, where it tends to gravitate towards - things like, phrase beginnings. I think in the JAR bass intro, the A chord coming after G and D really implies a minor sound to my ear, and they just lean into the II chord as it gets going. I think it's less about what's "correct", more about having a few different ways to look at a song. I love this stuff, though!

[@Zetts]

Posted this elsewhere but the relevant data strongly pointing towards the song being in Dmaj are Billie Joe's melodies where he regularly sings Dflat. The way the melodies and intro/outro baseline resolve confirm this as well. Which is exactly why the C at the beginning of the bridge catches the ear, we've been led not to expect such a note since the key has been solidly established by that point of the song.

[@reverb508]

The fact that this was left off of Dookie still amazes me. The album’s less than 40 minutes long. This and their rerecording of Christie Rd should have made the cut imo.

[@mikeherrera5302]

Not unreleased, was a big radio single the summer of 1995. It’s my favorite nineties GD song 100

[@rickbrust7928]

Green Day and Avail were label mates early on on Lookout! Records. Avail's Taken from One Wrench on Fat Wreck Chords(Fat Mike's label) would make an epic video.

[@hyzerbomb957]

I've suggested Avail before as well, but I couldn't narrow down any particular song! Taken is definitely up there.

[@DrRhomboid_Goatcabin]

Avail is a good shout. Over the James is an amazing record start to finish

[@rickbrust7928]

@@DrRhomboid_Goatcabin 100% agree. Just figure Taken has one of Gwompers better bass lines!

[@rickbrust7928]

@@hyzerbomb957 Keep pumping them uo brother! He told me there on the list, but the more we bother him, tye faster he will get to it!

[@CristyReacts]

Great bassline!

[@LowEndUniversity]

Indeed!!

[@OwiggumX]

Awesome jam

[@J0N_]

Dude, Mike Dirnt does not play the P bass for another 2 years. He’s playing a Gibson Grabber here, and all the way up to the Insomniac record. The P Bass comes in (and never leaves) starting at the Nimrod album.

[@rxdrxxf]

If you love this, you have to check out the "Meet the Deedles" soundtrack!

[@johnnydropkicks]

1:21 In these five seconds (starting at the timestamp) my thought process and facial reactions were the exact same as Mark’s.

[@jonathonherroon6580]

I believe every green day record until warning is in Eb

[@LowEndUniversity]

I'll know for the next one! 😅

[@soapboxparishrecordings5287]

Nah only dookie and insomniac. 1039 smith was a mix of standard, full tone down and standard 1/4 tuning to ear. Kerplunk was a mix

[@vladonutyj]

​@@soapboxparishrecordings5287 D Standard in 1039? Wtf

[@soapboxparishrecordings5287]

@@vladonutyj yep. 1000 hours ep and sloppy ep section (tracks 11-18) were in D standard

[@vladonutyj]

@@soapboxparishrecordings5287 Interesting. Thanks for the info:)

[@dingopower4357]

Another banger of a video! I’d like to graciously request “Radio Havana” by Rancid Very interesting progression, you think it’s going 1/5/4/5 but it doesn’t and low octave bass chords 😮

[@Zetts]

Nice video. For the bridge, you claim the new chord they go to, C, is the 4, but it's not. The song is in D major, not G major. So them playing C is a flat 7. They do this all the time, like in the chorus of Basket Case.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Glad you enjoyed it! I’ve gone back and forth in a few other comments about this - really is subjective and there are a few ways to look at it. I tend to lean on what’s implied by the song’s form and pattern. As a few other comments suggested - it’s the “Sweet Home Alabama” debate with this song.

[@Zetts]

​@@LowEndUniversity Thanks for the thoughtful response. I appreciate that there is room for ambiguity and interpretation with respect to key in some songs, but I really don't think this song is one of them. Listen to the opening melody "my friend drove off the other day". He's harping on D, D flat, and B. The D flat already effectively confirms the key is D. Furthermore, for the verse chords, its clear that Gmaj > Amaj is happening. Were G the key, it would have to move from Gmaj to Amin. Sing the melody over Amaj and Amin and tell me which sounds better. The dissonance of the minor third above A while Billie Joe sings D flat is entirely inappropriate. Finally, listen to how the song resolves. It ends on the D, and it sounds resolved/finished. Were the key truly G, ending the song on D would sound/feel unresolved--but it doesn't.

[@LowEndUniversity]

You bet! Anytime. I love talking music. I just am coming from more of the street, old-fashioned approach I suppose from the background that I have. Here’s a quote from BJ himself: "I don't know anything about music theory, I just have music opinions” I’m willing to bet when it came time for the bridge, he simply chose the root movement of moving up a fourth within the box of G, D, and A, probably because he knows that that fretboard pattern is a safe bet to stay in key. This obviously doesn’t change the rules of theory, but that’s sort of the angle I tend to come from when I analyze rock music. What were they thinking by going to *this* chord right *here*? It’s tough to give that context every time, but that’s mostly where my mindset was. Plus, doing these in real time with no music in front of me - it’s just a dialogue of how I’m hearing it. In addition to that, I’ve reviewed so many songs where bands utilize the II or III and I tend to think they just go with what “fits the vibe” to brighten up a progression. My best guess is that, this is exactly what he did. Leaning into A Minor probably sounded off, so he switched it to major. Now - this doesn’t at all discredit your comment, which is absolutely correct. I listened again and it has all the criteria for D Major. For sure! I just thought it was worth explaining my thought process a bit. I also have rarely found songs to vamp on the IV at the start of every phrase, every resolve. The truth is, when the musicians themselves aren’t thinking in these ways, it’s futile for us to fill in information that wasn’t there to begin with. And…precisely, that’s what’s so fun about it all. Not only is it enjoyable to examine what they put on paper, but also to get in their heads a bit and speculate on certain musical choices. I remember my friends and I debating this same topic about Metallica’s “Enter Sandman” years ago. Try that one 😂 But yes, all of your points are spot on. Thanks for the dialogue!!

[@jenniferm4985]

4:54 They've talked about this in interviews. The drum tries to match the vocals, and the bass locks in with the drum beat. They also still have band practice and record together, which apparently no one does anymore. As a musician, I greatly appreciate that. Like the old adage, how do you get to Carnegie Hall, practice.

[@billmcandrew9210]

Green Day stray heart is led by a great bass line you might light it kinda has a 50’s so sound. Cool video too. Green Day “Stray Heart”

[@CjdaAwesome42]

Hey, just wanted to say that i think implying the song is in the key of Gb really overcomplicates it for people trying to learn. To me, this song is pretty plainly in Db major, and in the bridge, it modulates to include a chord on the flat 7th scale degree. This makes the main verse progression 4 5 4 1 5

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

I know some fellows recommended checking hardcore bands, but I would love to suggest checking out Judge, specifically their song "Where it went". This will definitely scratch your thrash itch, a bit like Pennywise did but differently.