What If The Bojinka Plot Succeeded? | Alternate History

[@caster863]

I can only imagine what the Patriot Act would be like.

[@isaiahslack2011]

It would be much much worse than OTL.

[@Memelord1117]

Real life metal gear solid...

[@riesenbonobo7846]

@@Memelord1117 cause violence breeds violence

[@kkonacreed8638]

Oh Jesus I didn’t think of that

[@GlitchedGravity]

Yeah uh, *HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM*

[@juanvilas5341]

That is the problem with terrorism and using terror as a weapon, does not work. You provoke the opposite because terror turns into anger and hatred and instead of scaring the population into submission, you give them a reason to fight. It is seen in wars of the past in current wars that even when civilian targets are deliberately attacked, it only causes higher resistance and a deep hatred and desire for retribution.

[@rebelliocross519]

Terror does work, look at where the muslim world is now..... it was all (partly) Christian. We are told to try to love our enemies, so we let them be. And they take from the kaffer because it is given them by allah.

[@MhmdBDRD]

Yeah tell them that, to those who were the cause of killing million Iraqis and hundreds of thousands in Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen...and thousands of Palestinians by sponsoring a terrorist state, do think all of these terror actions won't be answered with opposite terror

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

Exactly this. If 9/11 didn't happen, the US would still intervene in the middle east, but most likely no where near as much as we did in this timeline. Like you said, it yields opposite results. Because of their actions, we stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years and doubled down on interventions.

[@h7pubg]

you don’t understand that (justified) retaliation is what a lot of terrorists want, they know it recruits more to their cause, a hydra effect. they are accelarationists

[@yesyesyesyes1600]

If you want to defeat a country you have to make the people fight itself. Like leftists do in my country.

[@martinroncetti4134]

If the Bojinka plot succeeded as you describe, I believe that the Catholic world (incl the Orthodox churches and perhaps the Anglicans) would lose their minds and seek to hammer the Islamic world back to the stone age or perhaps extinction.

[@guycrew3973]

I doubt they’d do that but if they did then probably 5 or so years after they finished and people calmed down and realised what they did they’d be a complete outrage and sympathy for Muslim would rise to unbelievable levels probably higher than even the Jews after ww2 considering the amount of war crime the west would’ve most likely done in their anger and the fact that they are the ones who were responsible not the enemy

[@kiankier7330]

agree, it would unite Christians, maybe leading up to bigger support for Israel. It may also affect the Russo-Chechen war. Hell it may ever see a change of Western support in the armenia azerbaijan conflict

[@rulerofeternity7910]

Man the Christians of the Middle East would've been so fucked.

[@theultimatefreak666]

Don't forget how important it was for Poland that finally a pope was polish. Even atheists in Poland nearly worship Jan Paweł II. so having him assassinated would probably impact Poland much more than even other catholic countries which would change a lot of later European history including what Russia would be able to do in Ukraine

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Good. That's what's needed.

[@someasiandude4797]

If the Bojinka Plot succeeded, the entire course of history would've been very very abruptly slammed into a completely different direction

[@Silvergalaxy7383]

Muslim nations except for Israel would have been destroyed or remain poor

[@grandcanyon-d4d]

​@@Silvergalaxy7383you forgot saudi and gulf countries

[@averagedemocrat9546]

@@Silvergalaxy7383 Israel would be given the greenlight to take over the entire levant region tbh

[@matt36866]

You mean exactly like 9/11 did for our timeline. If you're old enough to have been around and remember it you'll remember how it felt since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the soviet union. 9/11 changed things overnight and not just for Americans, I'm English and was 10 at the time and I realised the sudden change in culture and peoples worldview of the worlds future overnight

[@Soviet00000]

​@@matt36866Bro, this is way bigger than just 3 buildings ngl

[@Kelnx]

While I think it's reasonable to assume the reaction of the Catholic world to the Pope getting assassinated would be largely over the top, the reason why the Bojinka plot failed and 9/11 worked is because the Bojinka plot was far too convoluted while 9/11 was relatively simple. Bojinka never would have worked. Perhaps the assassination of the Pope might have, but once that happened it would have been very difficult to pull off the rest with everyone on high alert. When 9/11 happened we were basically asleep. It was sudden and confusing and there was no way to react to it.

[@dr.floridaman4805]

the government always allows the citizens to be killed never the ones in charge 9/11 was a cover up for the 2.3 trillion missing in the pentagon

[@rorypaul153]

It would have all happened nearly simultaneously. The pope would have been assassinated while the planes were already in the air. So it could have worked.

[@eatinsomtin9984]

Except for maybe South America, European catholic countries wouldn't be as angry as they are mostly atheists and don't care about Christianity anymore.

[@lorumipsum1129]

Exactly. And even if they tried while I'm sure some things would happen, it wouldn't be long before the people mobilized and either minimized or halted any impact, as with flight 93. Then the government would finally mobilize later

[@deathsquadron3311]

Crusades Part II: Catholic bogaloo, imagine the entire catholic world descending upon the arabs

[@danieltarczynski6559]

Someone posted this on Reddit and an engineer stated that had they attempted to fly a plane into a nuclear reactor the reactor would be fine which really shows you how well designed they are

[@constellation-sj8xn]

Hey, I read that too

[@LaSombraa]

That moment you believe a Reddit comment LMAO

[@ci6516]

They’re built to withstand direct missile strikes .

[@finkrer]

​@LaSombraa Wow, you are so smart for not believing an engineer posting on Reddit. I'm sure you know way better with your insane engineering knowledge.

[@v2micca]

American Nuclear reactors are all built with heavily reinforced concrete containment. So yea, I can believe that an American reactor could survive a hit from a plane. Plus, for some reason, I just imagine the jihadist would likely aim for the cooling tower.

[@Edin116]

If I'm not mistaken: Nuclear Power Plants have been immune to aircraft-collisions since the mid cold war (In an effort to prevent them from being destroyed by thermonuclear-warhead *blast waves*, and by extension permanently contaminating an area with spread out nuclear fuel, when not directly targeted) . All the important structures are encased with anything from 10 to 20 feet of concrete. The US has actually run tests including using fighter aircraft sped up with rocket boosters on tracks into blocks of the same concrete and shown the impact barely even scratching the concrete.

[@coatofarms4439]

It might still be possible. Like Fukushima, if important support infrastructure was destroyed by the crash and likely on board explosives then a plant dealing with a massive fire and no power could go critical. All it would take is for the workers to not be able to shut down the reactor and the way to it blocked by fire and debris.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

​@@coatofarms4439a plane crash can't replicate the damage of a record setting earthquake and subsequent tsunami, the big thing that caused Fukushima to go critical wasn't just tge damage, but the fact that the wider tsunami flooding made getting repair crews and equipment where it was needed impossible before it was too late.

[@coatofarms4439]

@@RipOffProductionsLLC A plane loaded with explosives could have a similar effect. A 747 filled with fuel and explosives crashing would cause damage that could possibly cause a reactor failure from the damaged support infrastructure.

[@1mol831]

Their plans are however not creative. If they really want to harm the US, they should work with players in the US to spread more harmful ideas to schools in the US, weakening its youth and next generation.

[@Thunderchicken69]

Not to mention there’s an exclusion zone around said plants which planes cannot enter, and they’re set up in such a way that when the breach of their airspace occurs fighters can be scrambled and respond fast enough to take out the plane before it can reach the plant, they run drills on this exact scenario very often.

[@DKforever24]

I don't think there would be an invasion of Libya. Remember, in our own timeline Gaddafi, while having been an outspoken critic of the US, did not applaud 9/11, he condemned the attack and even offered aid to the US.

[@weebwubb9569]

common gaddafi W

[@alphagamer9505]

With this many deaths and outrage, probably wouldn't matter

[@KingK2205]

Gaddafi W

[@maskttr]

rare Gadaffi L

[@prcxiale1124]

@@maskttrRatio😊

[@Zero_Point_Energy1]

I think one of the most interesting things to come out after 9/11 was what Bin Laden actually thought would happen after the attacks. Apparently, he actually believed that the US would revert to isolationism and essentially give up its position in the Middle East. He was reportedly very surprised by the US’s response. Meanwhile I don’t think any Americans were surprised. Whether you agreed with it or not, the idea that the US was going to disengage was almost laughable.

[@jonathanjuarez5544]

That is eerily similar to the mistake made by the leadership of the imperial Japanese army during WW2 when they attacked Pearl Harbor, history really does tend to rhyme.

[@IAmTheRealHim]

@@jonathanjuarez5544what makes it only “eerily similar” as opposed to the same reasoning?

[@internetzenmaster8952]

I will never understand how _anyone_ thinks attacking Americans on _American soil_ would result in anything except retaliation. US history shows that the country is never one to back down from a fight when attacked.

[@doh-nc8ku]

@@jonathanjuarez5544 For someone as conniving as bin Laden he didn’t study that part of ww2 haha

[@icanflythis]

Similar to all those calling for an Israeli "cease-fire" days after 10/7. I was only a teenager but before I went to bed that Tuesday night I knew some folks somewhere in the world were about to here a bunch of loud booms.

[@kolawaleojomo6817]

I think if this plot had succeeded, it would have torn apart my country, Nigeria. You need to understand, while clashes occur between Christians and Muslims, the religions are way more intertwined than you'd expect. I, for example, have Muslim family members on both sides of my family. We celebrate Christian festivals and Muslim festivals together. Family is family and religion is religion. And this is not an uncommon thing. Indeed it's the norm in Western Nigeria (Yorùbà land) Although, to the best of my knowledge, the north is predominantly Muslim and the East predominantly Christian. Despite all the love and togetherness sometimes the cracks show. It's not rare to find Christians praying against and having a disdain for Muslims (One time a friend of mine was searching to buy a house in Lagos and he found a place. It was perfect for him and though the price was a bit much, he didn't mind. Then the sellers said they didn't want a Muslim buyer ☹️.) Nor, for that matter is it strange to see a cousin turn cold and sometimes even furious at some misuse of the Prophet's name. If the Pope were murdered by Muslims though. Families would be literally torn apart. The country as a whole might be crippled for a while

[@zenxel]

At the rate our economy is going, we'll probably be descend into war again.

[@bobtop4689]

I would expect something like an anti balaka in Nigeria so yeah pretty bad

[@kolawaleojomo6817]

@@bobtop4689 What's an Anti balaka?

[@Noxcho-li8pn]

@@kolawaleojomo6817it’s basically ISIS just Christian Militia in Africa

[@everettduncan7543]

​@@Noxcho-li8pnit's not exclusively Christian, many pagans are in the group.

[@gingercrusader5629]

I'd love to see a part 2 to this because this is one hell of an alternate history.

[@goldenager59]

Emphasis, if you please, on HELL. 😩

[@deutschesvaterlandfankanal]

​@@goldenager59not """"hell"""",POWERWOLF!!!

[@goldenager59]

@@deutschesvaterlandfankanal ¿Como?

[@AlabamianCrusader1776]

@@deutschesvaterlandfankanalAWW YEAH! This Alt Hist. Scenario is like a big crusade! AMEN AND ATTACK!

[@fallenicexofficial]

Yes

[@ThatLeaf]

Basically, the Bojinka Plot would have resulted in the 9th Crusades and likely bring a greater surge in Christianity membership?

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

The 9th crusade already happened. This would be the 10th crusade

[@ThatLeaf]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 My mistake...I checked and you were right about the 9th having already happened back from 1271 to 1272.

[@Politzania532]

I was thinking the same thing

[@mauricebeyjr611]

It would've also lead to indiscriminate islamophobia and massive calls for etho-religious cleansings of all Muslims.

[@averagedemocrat9546]

Blessed timeline.

[@blip-hn6is]

Yusuf was arrested because of a curious appartment owner was asking yusuf about chemicals which police raiding their appartment that has full of plans and bombs. one point in history that changed everything.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I'm glad he spoke out!

[@eliasziad7864]

Wouldnt have changed anything at all even if he wasnt caught.

[@thyssenheinel6507]

@@eliasziad7864 lol he told everything once the PNP interrogator said "since you won't speak to us pretty sure israeli mossad could take care of you" immediately told everything

[@doh-nc8ku]

Yeah there’s a mayday air disaster documentary on that It’s amazing how randomly he was caught he was testing his bomb in the Philippines Ran away to Pakistan and they caught him

[@CTzons]

Alhamdulliallah that didn't happen, or else I wouldn't have existed

[@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472]

I think a lot of people would have been very unhappy if the plot had succeeded

[@marsar1775]

no need for such extreme predictions

[@instasax9202]

You're so right

[@CTzons]

Im a muslim and I will be very unhappy if that happens because first murdering civilans intentionally is forbidden in islam and second we will be killed and eradicated and islamphobia will be widespread across the world also a World wide Association will be established to destroy islam and actually focus on hurting civilan muslims instead of the actual attackers

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Best prediction.

[@kingMT514]

Making such a bold and outlandish assumption?! I’m going to need your reasoning…. /s

[@alltheclovers532]

I wonder how this harder stance on terrorisim in 1995 would affect the Good Friday agreement signed in 1998.

[@belliduradespicio8009]

Also i'd be very curious to see the effects on the 1995 Quebec independence referendum; but especially the Yugoslav war, there's just no way the US goes to bomb Serbia to help kosovo muslims like it did in 1999. 1995 was during the Croatian-Serbian war, Croatia being catholic, so very interesting possibility of a complete shift here.

[@desichalkos5627]

It would probably never be signed. The far right revisionist zionist parties in government right now may soar in popularity 20 years ahead of time, and israel would probably just annex the Palestinian west bank with the backing of the United States. Also this still would not be a good timeline to be a middle eastern Christian, given far right zionists hate Christians just as much as they hate muslims.

[@1320crusier]

@@belliduradespicio8009 Kosovo was part 'wag the dog' to turn attention away from Clintons lil oval office romp..

[@MrTJPAS]

Interesting question. On the one hand, the agreement may have been derailed by declarations against terrorism as a whole including the IRA. On the other hand, Ireland being so devotedly catholic and the pope being assassinated might mean that members of the IRA either abandon its cause or redirect the group's focus towards the middle east.

[@jgw9990]

​​@@MrTJPASI think Britain had been moving toward peace for a long time before 95, and doubt they'd want to lose progress. If anything it'd speed up peace, because the IRA'S primary funding came from America and with that dying out it would encourage peace further.

[@Zericef]

I think this would essentially result in a large portion of the Western world agreeing to turn the Middleeast into glass

[@kingMT514]

Commander: “You see those dunes?” Soldier: “Yes sir.” Commander: *Well I don’t want to*

[@josephboen178]

Aint that dunes be better being shiny?

[@ldtobi1]

“Sergeant, the enemy is in that direction!” “Roger. Removing that direction.”

[@codingmaster347]

you already tried that in afganistan and iraq yet you failed in both areas

[@walkingmemetichazard]

​@@codingmaster347 Because, thankfully, we didn't carpet bomb the region with nuclear warheads. 💀

[@tamenightmare44]

If this happened then almost all Christians would probably call for an immediate pacification of the middle east, while a smaller number would probably go far as to want a Crusade of ethnic cleansing, either way they're both terrifying situations to think about.

[@dominicadrean2160]

They basically would beat the Islamic world into submission😂 and would also really damaged liberalism being pushed into America and Europe which very tight restrictions on foreigners would also be heavily enforced

[@nightprowler6336]

When Anglicans and Jews united, they conquered the world as British Empire. So imagine when all Christians and Jews unite, Islam will be totally eradicated and will be in history books like the rest of pagan religions.

[@fate8718]

Honestly Like Considering how terror groups work(or well insergencies) And the fact the population they hiding in aint exposing them Fuck it the country commited an act of war and every man woman and child is a combatant Might sound horrific But run the numbers Mass Genocide in the middle east kills millions and the threat being squashed saves billions So idk if Im entirely against it for even mentioning to do shit like that objectivly speaking And Im not even Christian The Pope gets assasinated and that shit happens and every man woman and child in the middle east is dead by dinner. There would be no "call for war" Im fucking suprised it didnt happen after 9/11 itself

[@mauricebeyjr611]

As a Muslim US soldier, this terrified me. Islamophobia is bad already, I could hardly imagine if this plan went through.

[@anasqader3851]

@@mauricebeyjr611 Then you would have no choice but to Jihad against Christians

[@Gabriel_PL]

Alternate timeline: "The Crusade on Terror"

[@ziadhulhok]

​@@scottanos9981bonus achievement: ALLAH HU AKBAR

[@pieterveenders9793]

@@ziadhulhok Doubt you would ever hear an allah snackbar again, after all it's only muslims who say that and they would be extinct by the end of it.

[@Bigbrain-md9yo]

Bad Ending: Hate crimes you fell to the dark side

[@if1ame563]

You mean "dying in a war created to stuff pockets of [REDACTED]"

[@CTzons]

Correction:*The crusade on 12 percent of humanity*

[@billnotice9957]

Russia and the United States were still kind of allies. Would not rule out Russian assistance.

[@conductingintomfoolery9163]

They would probably sit this one out and fund then attrition and financial destruction of the us by proxy

[@housewilma4904]

russia would jump to come help because of the orthodoxy a part of christanity. so theyd have the reglious fervour and spitte alongside using the situation as a excuse to expand there errortory.

[@eliasziad7864]

@@housewilma4904 No they would not, Russia hates catholics.

[@caringheart34]

​@@housewilma4904And the fact that the Chechen Wars were happening to during that time... R.I.P to the Chechnya, Ingush and possibly Circassian population (again)

[@mrconfusion87]

Plus back then, West-friendly Yeltsin was sitting in the Kremlin!

[@andrewarnold9818]

This legitimately would have caused another crusade. The atrocities and crimes against humanity on both sides would have scarred humanity and democracy for generations.

[@thecapitalg]

Legitimately a terrible idea, I don't know why Muslim extremists are so... extreme I guess, but especially in stupid ways.

[@Gyati]

@@thecapitalgthere’s extremists everywhere it’s just that a lot of groups in the Middle East have to ability to actually do stuff

[@bigships]

@@Gyatimainly because western governments don’t want to stifle them as they fear being called islamophobic

[@adamelghalmi9771]

@@bigships no, because the middle east's governments are dysfunctional. you remove the strong arm dictator and put in a weak "democracy" in it's place while making a million highly trained military men jobless, you got an issue

[@HentsSauce]

@@Gyati Because they're more insane

[@williamfrank962]

Honestly this sounds like it would make a kickass book.

[@Michigander_of_the_West]

This might be fun to write

[@nhandinh7404]

If only Tom Clancy was still around

[@aces1053]

​@@nhandinh7404What happened to him?

[@nhandinh7404]

@@aces1053 He died 😔

[@aces1053]

He was a legend. One of the best in military writing. I respect him.

[@mrcin1233]

Considering the fact , how much off a inpact had death off John Paul ll when he passed away peacefully in Poland. The Crused post-assaination isnt that impossible.

[@davidpage3893]

I remember Christmas 1983 Pope John Paul ll visited Mehmet Ali Agjah …his would be assassin in prison. This was an unannounced visit. The Pope forgave him, blessed him and shared a meal with him. He asked why did you come here to see me after I tried to kill you. The Pope told him everyone needs to be forgiven and deserves redemption. I remember seeing this visit on the news and I shed some tears seeing how loving and forgiving Pope John Paul ll was. This act of religious conviction that the Pope showed to his would be assassin reaffirmed my faith in humanity.

[@CTzons]

​@@davidpage3893as a muslim, that pope of yours really has some gentlemen morals

[@davidpage3893]

@@CTzons Hello there friend… The fact that our planet has close to 8 billion people we all came from 1 loving, holy and all knowing supreme being that makes all of us brothers and sisters. We have many countries, cultures, religious beliefs, and political affiliations, but out of many we are one. We must learn to understand and respect other peoples from here to there. We are commonly bonded by our DNA to our ancestral patents…Adam and Eve. We are human and we will make mistakes and we learn by them to better ourselves.

[@CTzons]

@@davidpage3893 Never been more true, I respect you + you earnt a W

[@davidpage3893]

@@CTzons Oohhh! Thank you very much!

[@deatscart]

Couple problems with this scenario , one Nuclear Power Plants were already designed back then to survive a plane hit. So it's unlikely that any radioactive elements would leak out of them. Second problem the White House always had a no fly zone radius above it, so any planes trying to impact it would most likely be intercepted and shot down before impact would be made. It would still have ended in a national crisis however.

[@colegilliam2379]

Idk man, they got the pentagon pretty easy. All it would take is a quick maneuver off course to catch the white house off guard

[@joshw7974]

I don't feel like you understand what a "no fly zone" is. It's not an instakill once you enter it.

[@sumedhgarimella6024]

​​​​@@colegilliam2379difference is that the Pentagon isn't surrounded by an expansive no fly zone, and actually has a passenger airport (DCA) nearby. However, most of central DC has a no fly zone around it, and it's guarded so aggressively that military jets were scrambled to check out a small private jet flying over DC a few months ago (sadly it did so because its pilot had become unresponsive and crashed a few hours later). Going back to DCA, planes landing into DCA now have a strict landing protocol over the Potomac after 9/11, so anomalies are quite easily detectable now. But to be fair, you might be right in that it may be too late once those anomalies are detected.

[@colegilliam2379]

@@sumedhgarimella6024 How long have jets been patrolling the white house? Has it been since before 9/11? The incident you mentioned that happened a while ago was after 9/11 so i wonder if they had the same security before.

[@sumedhgarimella6024]

@@colegilliam2379 oh right Bojinka was before 9/11 lol good point those were post-9/11

[@Guildelin]

I think if it had succeeded it would have been the single most unifying event Europe, South America, Philippines and North America could have ever had. I also think the war vs Philippine terrorists they had in the early 2000s would have been sooner and much worse for Philippine Muslims. As well as most Muslim civilians in the crusade victim countries.

[@Pwn3540]

Rohingya "genocide" probably would have happened much earlier too, since Myanmar had always had a problem with them even before they took action in the 2010's

[@kiankier7330]

may as well see a better relationship between US and Russia,

[@applesandgrapesfordinner4626]

​@Pwn3540Dude, don't put quotations. It is a genocide.

[@anotherrandomasian]

If the plot had succeeded, the Yugoslav Wars would’ve been much worse than in OTL

[@killer41756]

Didint they want to get out of Myanmar i​@@applesandgrapesfordinner4626

[@jasonr2171]

It’s commonly said about 9/11 that “nobody” imagined terrorists would fly planes into buildings. Except for this thing called the Bojinka plot.

[@billpike-cn5pz]

Tom Clancy wrote an entire novel about it in 1994.

[@superprobablylevel]

the japanese in question

[@TimesFM4532]

Tbf the world would discover why America does not have a universal healthcare

[@RainedOnParade]

“Commander shepherd you have a blank check”

[@kfchundur4087]

What? because the money that could go towards it is embezzled instead?

[@user-ci4hi2ui2k]

🤓

[@Ronald98]

​@@kfchundur4087real

[@edwardviii2837]

​@@kfchundur4087america has the biggest health budget in the world, you dont have universal health care because you dont want to.

[@davidr1037]

Time Traveler: “what day is it President Bush?” Bush: “September 11th 2001” Time Traveler: “before or after the attacks on the World Trade Center?” Bush: “Before” Time Traveler: “Okay so... wait”

[@pixelchrome2]

hold on, something ain't right

[@jackthorton10]

And a local weatherman mentions about the clear blue sky as a (turned out) after result of a hurricane that near misses the East Coast… and the color drains suddenly from the man’s face

[@sushamamohite8710]

I mean the twin towers were targeted in 1993

[@aaravdiwakaristhebest]

The joke is that how did the president know of the event before the attack

[@superprobablylevel]

Bros ass:

[@Allegheny500]

You have to wonder at people who think that attacking a nation in this way will make them fearful instead of angry. They should know this since they were enraged by even less provocation themselves.

[@eidoneverchoosen1171]

It would have scared civilians and after they recovered enraged millions to want revenge.

[@legendarygodzilla3577]

That's the thing. Fear generates rage

[@legendarygodzilla3577]

@@Allegheny500 on top of that, Palestinians would have much less sympathy for a good portion of time. Hamas would never have the chance to get ahold of Gaza. Isis may be completely prevented, Iran might get overthrown ect.

[@ssgamegod6334]

Wouldn’t rule out a full scale invasion with the amount of anger and hatred towards those who were responsible

[@seanskre1717]

You said Catholic Countries but you barely even mention the Philippines, which have been fighting terrorists far longer than the other countries you mentioned

[@MonsieurDean]

This is a good point, they certainly would have participated.

[@littleantukins4415]

​@@MonsieurDeanthere is the MNLF (MILF) back then, It began after the jabidah massacre committed by the Marcos admin and they wish to separate from the Philippines Abu sayyaf is one also but jihadist

[@silvers2211]

If anybody is interested, there was once a few armed christian organizations in the Philippines. Notable of which were the ILAGA

[@lottenetzel8751]

Bro, they would intensify their campaign in Mindanao, linking the attack to the seperatists. Camp Abu Bakr, a major MILF stronghold would've been captured earlier than in OTL. Erap Estrada would've maintained his presidency with the Philippines engaged in its own War of Terror while still keeping his secret mansions where he kept his mistresses. Therefore, no impeachment case in 2001.

[@Pwn3540]

​@@MonsieurDeanthere might be conflict that would've erupted in their own country given their history with Muslim separatists

[@morsecode980]

Some modern scenarios I hope you consider when the time is right: • What if Russia successfully captured Kiev early on in the war with Ukraine? • A redo of “What if Trump died from Covid?” • What if Trump won the 2020 election? • What if January 6th escalated to armed conflict?

[@GreenTomas2372]

What if Joe Biden didn't get caught plagiarizing and became the Democratic nominee for 1988

[@diegoyanesholtz212]

What if Hillary was president? I don't like her but she ran two times.

[@morsecode980]

@@GreenTomas2372I don’t get why this comment’s censored but apparently it is

[@covfefe1787]

@@morsecode980 January 6th could have never escelated to armed conflict because it was never planned as a insurrection as the media claim to be instead it was a impromptu protest staged by trump to pressure republicans to overturn the results of the election,. Trump never stayed left and then it turned into a riot by a few riled up instigators. no one brought guns or made plans for a violent uprising it could never have turned into armed conflict. the worst case scenario happened in out timeline which was a simple protest turnt into a riot type of event.

[@GreenTomas2372]

@@morsecode980 How? I am reading this on my laptop and I don't see anything else wrong?

[@JaketheJust]

Z, have you ever heard of Operation Northwood? Look it up, it’s disturbing and could make another what-if alternate history video.

[@potatogod975]

my morning wood is more disturbing than that

[@leemsvg]

@@potatogod975i second this notion

[@bad_pilot13official]

Vine boom 😳😳🤨🤨🤨

[@Silvergalaxy7383]

​@@bad_pilot13official😂😂😂

[@TylerAForti]

Northwood had as much weight to it as the US trying to weaponize gay in the 90s or the Pentagon's Zombie outbreak scenarios being actually used

[@mrconfusion87]

Good thing the Filipino cops were alert enough to investigate more deeply what was on paper "a simple fire" in a Manila apartment! Their decision to dig deeper spared us all from this particular 20th Century Crusade scenario... 🙌

[@ravenRedwake]

4:20 that’s cute but if several us bound flights blew up midair, government officials would be in bunkers, president and vice president separated, there’d be hotline talks between the us, China and russia, and air defense assets would scramble to the skies (fighter jet wings) One might skink through, but any plane off it’s course would get splashed.

[@1mol831]

China probably would be asleep

[@navyseal1689]

What about innocent civiliian inside those airlines

[@justinedse8435]

@@navyseal1689 If it saves more lives then that's an acceptable loss due to war. Bush did give the OK to shoot down any civiian aircraft that didn't ground or acknowledge the order on 9/11.

[@Vordaze]

We would've kissed our freedoms goodbye if it worked.

[@goldenager59]

I'm too much the gentleman to say aloud what _I_ think we would have had to kiss goodbye. 😒

[@scottkrafft6830]

Even in the US! Imagine what it would've been like in Poland. Pope John Paul is a national hero.

[@thespaniard3988]

The only real difference is that more European countries would engage in their own military campaigns, and there would be pseudocolonies reestablished in North Africa by Spain, Italy, France, Poland, and other Catholic nations. America would still do OEF/OIF but also attack other countries as you predicted.

[@Frankie5Angels150]

None of the countries you listed have the ba11s to do anything. Without the U.S., they are worse res than paper tigers.

[@facepalm7345]

the real difference is that even russia would be against and trying to score some land from the middle east, and once that happens all the middle eastern countries are effectively fucked. If they can't get their black market russian arms they are effectively dead in the water, regardless of whether pakistan provides them with anything or not

[@pacevy3798]

@@Frankie5Angels150yeah but neither would the US, that would be political along with diplomatic HELL

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

@@Frankie5Angels150 The U.S. would've and could've just used their Navy to ship entire pissed off South American armies to the Levant, Europe can Deus Vult on their own dime (they would actually probably just focus on internal genocide of Muslims in this hypothetical Europe ngl). You'd have Mexican cartels forcing Osama Bin Laden's family to bow and pray before a statue of St. Mary before executing them one by one in gritty LiveLeak videos. And the Muslim religion as a whole would of been forced into a true dark age. Catholics have been itching for a good crusade, and a assassinated pope, even a disliked one, is pure money.

[@Soviet00000]

​@@Frankie5Angels150In this timeline, yes, in this badass crusade, no

[@gregetter6137]

One other thing butterflied is the Oklahoma City Bombing. Either stopped by increased security measures or they stop their plan. What becomes of the groups and sentiments behind such things in this scenario?

[@garysteeley1932]

Look up Terrance Yeakey there is more to the OKC bombing than just McVeigh

[@captainblackbeard7840]

the bokinka plot is the reason why were limited in how much liquid we can take on a plane. when they tested the viability of this plot, the terrorists used a homemade bomb that was assembled on a flight using wires hidden in a laptop case, a broken bulb and an aftershave bottle filled with cotton and a liquid explosive. they miscalculated where the fuel lines were on the plane by one seat which ended up killing a japanese businessman and blowing a hole in the floor of the plane. luckily the plane landed safely with no one else killed.

[@cameron.t]

Yeah, if I remember this happened on a Northwest A330 to, I assume, DTW. I remember the airline and aircraft, and this was before the merger with Delta so..

[@uwagajedzietramwaj_]

Poland would’ve gone full crusade mode, back in the 90s the Pope was an actual deity to us

[@dakshchoudhary7720]

still is

[@uwagajedzietramwaj_]

@@dakshchoudhary7720 not really, only to a certain kind of people

[@silverbloodborne9495]

....so basically the Islamic group done goofed up

[@nadri3335]

I think Spain would retake sidi ifni, their part of sahara and the rif, not only for securing the canary islands, and ceuta and melilla, but for some people it could be seen as recovering their empire. I also would see a militaritation of the mediterranean, as no one would like to see some crazy guys with bloodthirsty ambitions in a boat reaching the important cities there, as Valencia, Barcelona, Nice, Napoli, Venetia, to name a few. I would like a continuation of the scenario please, more indepth explanations etc.

[@kiankier7330]

hell we may ever see a early Perejil Island crisis that turn into a full blow war

[@nadri3335]

@@kiankier7330 true

[@Magicallstore]

in your dream do you think morocco is an easy target ? they know exactly what morocco can do if spain did not get help from france and other European countries, take a look how Spanish army got annulated in Annual "On 1 July 1921, the Spanish army in north-eastern Morocco under Fernández Silvestre collapsed when defeated by the forces of Abd el-Krim, in what became known in Spain as the disaster of Annual, some 8,000 soldiers and officers reported killed or disappeared out of some 20,000.

[@Bread1979]

​@@Magicallstore You cannot compare a war from 1921 to a hypotetical one from the early 2000's. Also Spain in that time was involve in a enourmous political instability. The US in this scenario would surely not like Morocco as much as today so I don't see your point. Still I do not think Spain would take any territory, tho I expect a free Western Sahara.

[@realkellenhabibelahy]

Ah yes the democratic country of Spain restarting its empire because the pope got killed

[@MrAsianPie]

Thanks on working on the collab! Hope we can do more in the future!

[@MonsieurDean]

I hope so too!

[@wimblewomble4751]

hello

[@AlabamianCrusader1776]

@@MonsieurDeanHey Dean, you wouldn't mind making a sequel to this scenario?

[@manband20]

All I'm gonna say is if they whacked the Pope, Hellsing Ultimate would look like a picnic.

[@sgauden02]

Thank God this didn't happen! It would've been an absolute nightmare for both Christians and Muslims alike!

[@dominicadrean2160]

There would be much violence and as a result you probably will get very tight restrictions on travels and immigration across Europe and America and it would really damaged liberal policy that has been pushed in the West for decades because of the immense backlash of those attacks which most likely relieved to the governments of the West being hardcore conservative in some form

[@elif_coşkun_77]

finaly someone with some common sense among this sea of christian extremeism

[@Pwn3540]

​@@elif_coşkun_77more than just Christians have problems with them. Even Buddhist in Myanmar aren't happy.

[@CTzons]

Finally someone who actually has some empathy

[@AdmitThatYoureInsane]

There are some really insane people in this comments. Good to see someone with human empathy.

[@giustinosuarez8711]

I’ve literally been waiting for an alternative history video about this topic since I first heard of the bojinka plot from my history teacher in middle school over a decade ago. Masterfully done, hombre.

[@Kisai_Yuki]

There would have needed a lot of things to go right for that plot to succeed. As anyone who has played a video game may have noticed, the more random variables you introduce, the much more difficult it is to get into a winning position. For example, hitting a nuclear plant or even the white house or the capital building with an airplane would have been incredibly difficult to pull off because they are not easily seen from the air. The big targets, landmark towers, are easier, and even then you also have the crew or passengers who would hear the news of the first plane hitting something and every subsequent plane would be wrestled away from the hijackers, or lose control and fall short of it's target. Then you also have the flight schedules, what if the planes don't take off on time? Then only the plane that got off first hits it's target, and everything else that hasn't taken off remains grounded which would have been the case for the flights originating inside the US, and anything arriving from over seas would have been told to land in Canada, and thus their plans would be foiled when they don't comply. I also feel "a distraction" would put the US on alert for possible copycat events, so most likely the people intended to be collateral damage would have not been where they would have been. So I sincerely doubt the "Designated Survivor" scenario would have played out, unless the first plane took off and crashed perfectly into the Capitol building. Likewise, with the Pentagon, even though the plane hit it, mostly resulted in the deaths of those in the impact area, with the rest of the building surviving. In most scenarios I can envision, I think the same thing would have happened on 9/11 the first two planes would have hit their targets and then all other planes wouldn't make it off the ground, or if they got airborne would face resistance to being hijacked. Or even the pilots, in communication with ATC would have been told to barricade their cockpits.

[@colinmacdonald5732]

My thoughts entirely. In fact I thought this years ago, it would much more difficult to line up a plane to a reactor, you only have a proper visual on it when you're to close to maneuver into it, the Twin Towers on the other were clearly visible from at least 10KM out. Similarly the Pentagon, a very visible geometric shape.

[@Emir_969]

@@colinmacdonald5732 What about the Capitol Building?!

[@coolrunningssinclair]

I think if the plot were to work, everything in the plan would have have to happen at once.

[@mcdermott817]

There is a book called "The War After Armageddon" by Ralph Peters and the Bojinka Plot and the book have some similarities. How the United States and the World responded in the book is how I think things would have happened if the Bojinka Plot succeeded.

[@joshmx28]

What I get out of this is we knew the exact group who eventually did 9/11 planned to hijack planes and fly them into buildings, some of which were targeted on 9/11. We acted like we couldn't fathom that terrorists would do this when it happened but we knew they were planning to do something like this in 1995. We could have implemented the rules and procedures to safeguard the cockpits back then but we didnt.

[@loo8458]

This is something that would happen in the tv show “24”. I’m sure the show might of got its inspiration from this plot

[@NexXxu]

I would like to see Jack Bauer trying to live and understand this nightmare, would be a dark-nice episode

[@jodij2366]

I can imagine a mushroom cloud over Mecca in this scenario if the cries for revenge are loud enough.

[@anasqader3851]

And then Mushroom clouds would start appearing in the US 😉😉😉

[@franciscoanimations]

Islam will no longer exist, and Christianity will once again have influence in the Middle East

[@jobloluther]

So Pakistan will nuke the United States and trigger a nuclear war in the world?

[@courier6733]

@@anasqader3851how none lf the Middle Eastren countries had nukes? Expect for isreal but they would aide with the US

[@anasqader3851]

@@courier6733 Pakistan has nukes and it wouldn't be just the Middle East that would be at war with the Christian world there's also North Africa Central Asia and South Asia and two European countries like Albania and Bosnia and even Kosovo

[@kevintan5497]

wouldve been wild to see an actual modern crusade

[@gove4103]

I'm not going to lie, that modern crusader drip towards the end was pretty awesome.

[@smartian143]

as a Catholic myself, i feel glad that this didn't happen

[@hishamalaker491]

As a Muslim me too, I have no enmity against you any ways.

[@Aryanchadrick]

If it did we would all be christian.

[@izzatsufian2796]

If Bojinka Plot succeded, it would change the course of history.

[@eliasziad7864]

If you kick that rock outside of your shitty garage, that could also potentially change history. Gfy.

[@SaulBadman-wb5kt]

​@@eliasziad7864someone shat in this guys coffee

[@bladedrain9389]

@@eliasziad7864 If I fucked your mom, I would be your dad

[@CTzons]

I probably wouldn't have existed

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Suggestion: What if franz joseph was killed by the assasin and his brother maximilian became Emperor

[@BeanOfBean]

Once again, Austria-Hungary would be made of chocolate

[@Frankie5Angels150]

Why would the top three people in our presidential chain of succession be so catastrophic? The secretaries of the cabinet would immediately take over in order of the seniority of their departments. Continuity of government is a real thing.

[@tibi6331]

The whole Bojinka Plot just could not be executed properly, let me explain why. Sure, the Pope could be assasinated in a suicide bombing attack, but the major strikes against U.S. based targets could only happen in the worst case scenario, in which every government officials decides to sit back and do absolutely no counter measures at all. Just right after the first reports of multiple airplanes, which head towards the U.S. exploded en route, the whole U.S. airspace would shut down, just like during the 9/11 terror attacks. Every commercial airplane flying in U.S. airspace would be forced to land in the nearest airport and flights would be canceled, closing down U.S. airspace and only the U.S. Airforce could conduct acitivites. Right after the explosion of planes en route to the U.S., many fighterjets would scramble to protect the outer and inner territories of U.S. airspace, therefore any non-responsive flights would be warned and shot down, before entering U.S. mainland, preventing strikes against U.S. targest. Still, assassinating the Pope and blowing up airplanes in the sky would result in more casulties, compared to 9/11, but the American mainland wouldn't be attacked, so I believe it would be less dramatic, as no live TV coverage would show the collapse of the Twin Towers or any other structures.

[@tetraxis3011]

That’s kind of what happened right before 911

[@eliasziad7864]

Nobody would know that the planes blew up anyways until many hours later.

[@jwil4286]

Honestly, pogroms would be putting it lightly. We likely would have taken a Chinese approach to this timeline’s “Muslim question”

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

Considering they concluded "Ethnic cleansing" in our timeline(though to be fair, that's been every Chinese government's approach to non-chinese subjects), it might only shift how they try to spin doctor it, and how much the outside world will even care.

[@1mol831]

@@RipOffProductionsLLCthey even ethnic cleanse their invaders if they settle on the land for too long. Eg. Mongols

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

@1mol831 again, any non-chinese subject.

[@Pwn3540]

We got pogroms in this timeline too, only it's Muslims going after Jews

[@Pwn3540]

​@@RipOffProductionsLLCnot even other Muslims seem to care about the Uyghurs right now. I've even seen some of them say they don't care because they're not real Muslims

[@guyanon9792]

Sorta kinda wanna see how 2023 in that universe would turned out

[@applesandgrapesfordinner4626]

That would somehow make me love right now more.

[@mathieuleader8601]

I can see the Swiss Guard being expanded to function like the French Foriegn Legion whereby any Catholic can sign up as well as fighting overseas.

[@versthappening603]

idk why but i’d want to see a movie that’s basically what would’ve happen if the bojinka plot succeeded

[@jpmnky]

Glad to see someone do a Bojinka video.

[@GuillermoPerez-x8v]

Sounds like a Call Of Duty Plot

[@kingMT514]

As morbid as this may be, someone contact Activision about this…

[@ColonelMonarch]

Basically like Cod Ghost but worse

[@gabbyprincip1575]

@@ColonelMonarch Or Homefront, replace a latin american/ east asia coallition with a middle eastern one

[@Guardias]

Had this plot succeeded the entire Middle East would be glass.

[@anasqader3851]

No 😂😂😂 do some history when united the West simply can't win

[@memeboi3448]

​@@anasqader3851sure buddy

[@bullmoosevelt4495]

@@anasqader3851Delusional

[@nightprowler6336]

​@@anasqader3851 u should learn history. When Anglicans and Jews united, they conquered the world as British Empire and USA. So imagine what will happen when Jews, Christians, and Hindus unite, then Islam will be completely eradicated and the Kaaba will be converted into a church.

[@anasqader3851]

@@memeboi3448 Crusaders tried multiple times cope

[@gregetter6137]

One element that would be worth thinking is how would culture have changed as a result?

[@stephenfarthing3819]

I probably am cautious about these predictions. There might be not much choice but to see it in some of these actions. In Britain, we would take a slightly different path but we'd have to agree with the US on this point. We would go up to a higher state of emergency and security level. We would look to our defence, but - - would we be consumed with such religious fervour? I'd like to say no to this end. I think that I can only say that we'd certainly condemn the act!

[@akashmohan999]

Honestly I'm surprised they didn't hit nuclear power plants, that would have made things far worse. Turned major cities into exclusion zones like chernobyl

[@dynamic_sole6378]

Because 9/11 was only a thing to get a war in the middle east

[@John-ev9br]

I read somewhere else in this comment section that most nuclear power plants have been reinforced to protect themselves from being attacked

[@AlabamianCrusader1776]

Thank God they didn't...

[@imperator_88mm92]

That's not how nuclear power plants work.

[@christopherfritz3840]

​@@John-ev9brYes, but not TWO back to back..💀

[@manoson4584]

11 seconds... 11 seconds away from greatness...

[@nacelnikprosiak1260]

Maybe you could expand the plot and create alternative history centred around rise of new radical catholicism in european states

[@Danny.Duns1]

Please part 2, this alternate history is something that needs to be explored

[@TheQWER9]

as an american i also want part 2 to see what happens to the middle east

[@CTzons]

​@@TheQWER9I'd probably not exist bro

[@LaneCorbett]

I assume there would have been a Crusade

[@user-wu4ed3zl4b]

Most definitely

[@EEE-1409]

​@@user-wu4ed3zl4bE.

[@CTzons]

And civil wars in muslim countries (because even in muslim countries there is christans and they're not "oppressed" in fact even my mom has a christan co-worker and friend :mind explosion:)

[@TheDustin151]

I don’t think the power would go to the military, it would probably go to each state’s governor. Each state can operate without the federal government. Each state has their own national guard.

[@UrKhalqiComrade49]

Afghanistan was still in the Post Communist civil war at the time and the Taliban had not taken Kabul at the time of January 1995 and wouldnt be do so until September of 1996.

[@brothers_of_nod]

I don't want to know what the surveillance state in this world would be like

[@ziadhulhok]

I hardly even think that will happen but Christians will sure hate us for this act

[@housewilma4904]

honestly would love to see this contuined how the plot effectivly created the worst case scenario for the islm world by inspiring what is effectivly a new generation of crusades.

[@ziadhulhok]

Bruh is a NPC

[@lordprotector4266]

Here's a niche idea for a what-if (maybe it could be used for shorts or something) what if minor countries like Bulgaria, Hungary, Morroco, or Somalia achieved their nationalist ambitions.

[@cornpowa]

How about a video on what if Russia succeeded in their attempt to take over Hawaii in 1815? How much difference would having a fleet there make on the Crimean War? Could the war have been avoided? I figure they'd still lose if fighting broke out and have to sell it to keep it out of British control, like Alaska, but if they somehow kept it, could Russia have won the Russo-Japanese War with a fleet that wasn't trapped in Port Arthur or cobbled together and sailed halfway across the world? Would Japan have still won and gained control of it? Would Japan have attacked a Russian Pearl Harbor or somewhere on the US west coast during the 40s?

[@Jonnesdeknost]

If Japan still bought their oil from the US i dont think they would attack pearl harbour, unless the us navy was allowed to harbour there maybe? Perhaps US involvement in ww2 would be circumveiled as Japan probably would lack the way to attack? Or they'd travel further to try attack us mainland naval bases? We can't say ofcourse but interesting thought. Never thought of this.

[@sanchezgildardo1128]

The question is would the communist uprising happen? If so, will hawaii be last of the russian empire?

[@Andrey_vnsn]

I would like to see continuation of this scenario!

[@goldenager59]

In "His Last Bow", Arthur Conan Doyle's final Sherlock Holmes story (set in the summer of 1914), Holmes gives to his longtime boon companion his view of the impending First World War... "It will be cold and bitter, Watson, and a good many of us may wither before its blast. But it's God's own wind none the less, and a cleaner, better, stronger land will lie in the sunshine when the storm has cleared." To deliberately incite and wage long and terrible war that kills millions of people, dispossesses and displaces millions more, wrecks and burns cultural heirlooms beyond recovery, consumes tons of treasure, and precipitates unforeseeable changes beyond reckoning to our civilization is bad enough. To actually welcome it as a long-overdue housecleaning is the stuff of madness. Great gloom-dripping clouds of apocalyptic disaster, what a nightmarish world we should see. A long-deferred Final Crusade, the ultimate forced showdown between Cross and Crescent, at a horrific material cost and an even worse spiritual one. Holy cities of beauty, uniqueness and pride reduced to drab and level dust that glows in the dark. Humanity consumed by bitterness and poisoned by hatred without ending. The land that would lie in the sunshine afterwards just might grow to be cleaner, better, and stronger, and hopefully even wiser, but not for at least another thousand years of universal misery, sickness, drudgery and privation. And, inevitably, wretched ignorance. And as Arthur Dent put it, "And yesterday the planet seemed to be doing so well..." Unceasing thanks be to the heavens that the diabolical plot was unearthed and foiled. May such fanatics ever and always be thus frustrated. "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." 😔😌

[@metalgear6531]

Finally, a christian in this comment section who doesn't use the faith as an excuse to LARP as some sort of crusading mall ninja.

[@goldenager59]

@@metalgear6531 Gratias, amicus. ☺️

[@somehowstillhere8766]

If the plot had succeeded then a lot more Israelis would've been dancing than in our timeline.

[@walleras]

Cope and seeth anti semite.

[@mikerossin9974]

Hand Rubbing Would intensify by 1000%

[@kaiserrat70]

​@walleras it's anti Semitic to dislike jews as a race, it's not anti Semitic to dislike Israel

[@legendarygodzilla3577]

​@@kaiserrat70blaming Israel for 9/11 is a Muslim accusation because they don't like the fact an extremist group is at fault.

[@walleras]

@@kaiserrat70 This comment ha sbeen removed twice... Gentiles dislike Israel if and only if they are anti semites

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

In short: USA starts the 10th Holy Crusade, and this time demonstrates how it's done? In the meantime, the real terror and horror would be with the Islamic communities, those that didn't support or even know about the entire Bojinka plot. There was already some stories shared about (ive found a few over reddit) where some of the Muslim families took one good long look at the news showing the Towers burning and falling and in one of them, the father openly said "Life will never be the same for Muslims"

[@ibraheemshuaib8954]

Aye, us Muslims don't consider the terrorists as fellow Muslims, they're giving us a bad name.

[@Ferociousplayz_11]

Pakistan would probably gives nukes to every muslim country I guess.

[@hishamalaker491]

@@ibraheemshuaib8954 Be careful who you call a terrorist, many freedom fighters fighting in the name of allah are called ''terrorists'' when fighting tyrants or oppressors.

[@MomoALTA]

Sikhs will also likely will be in the crossfire, as people mistake sikhs as muslims and attack them (this actually happened after 9/11)

[@baconpwn]

But I don't want to invade Istanbul

[@FFGuy-eu7hr]

This was a terrible idea from many perspectives. It would have resulted in a multi-national invasion of half the Middle East. 1.) Killing the Pope makes it a Christian vs Muslim thing, not a USA vs the Middle East thing. 2.) Targeting International flights means those countries now are pissed off at you. 3.) It is unlikely that all the planes would have succeeded. Once planes began hitting their targets on the west coast, the east coast has 4 hours of warning. Radar would also show a plane in a 4 hour holding pattern on the west coast, so there would be some kind of early warning, tie that in with a bunch of planes mysteriously exploding, and it's very likley the preisdent would have gotten into the bunker, and the AF had jets in the air.

[@galenwrathweld]

Definitely want further exploration of this since it would be basically a return of the crusades

[@isabellaereshki]

7:42 russia is a very christian country exempting the athiest communist/soviet faction, and russia had a problem with terrorism/islamic fanaticism a decade or two b4 the rest of the world started having trouble with it, yeltsin and early putin era russia kept trying to ally wiht the us and un and europe against terrorism and kept trying to convince the world it was a more important issue then people at the time were considering it as in the early to mid 90s... if something like this scenario had happened i wonder if the us and russia would have finally been friends/allies like we should have been since back in the 1700s.

[@brianwhedon8442]

Something this big would have united NATO, Russia, China, and India together

[@VerdeDrums]

imagine being so unimaginative that you have to use an AI generated image for one of the most well documented news events in recent history

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content z! Huge fan!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤

[@flamethefurry3516]

While I don't see eye to eye with monsiuer z on every issue, this was actually a very interesting and informative video

[@TheSixteen60]

Imagine how many Bojinka plan memes would’ve occurred if it actually happened.

[@moreedcola6837]

LYLE, LYLE, TURN ON THE TV, THEY KILLED THE POPE! THEY KILLED THE FUCKING POPE!

[@heckleypanes4988]

Won't since more Religious Europe will not allow them

[@ColonelMonarch]

Considering the Patriots Act in this alternate timeline. You would get watchlisted or even be arrested, considering how devastating the attack is and offensive go everyone

[@MomoALTA]

this timeline’s patriot act will give you a death sentence if you say the word “bojinka”

[@ColonelMonarch]

@@MomoALTA or logically, gets you into a watchlist

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

Battlefield 2 had a Middle East war with the us and China actually fighting each other. Like into a world war 3 scenario.

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

My version of this alternate cyberpunk timeline has the bojinka plot succeeding. Being the 9/11 of this timeline. But much worse. Heck the phases of the terror attacks have a symbolism of world order change. The Catholic’s pope death pushes the catholic countries to take revenge at the cost of their own resources for the church, and this rallies opposition. Heavily in Latin America towards isolationism and self sufficiency. Meaning even socialist groups rise up and protest across South America. The second phase is blowing up planes flying from East Asia to USA. Using American born terrorists as a patsy for east Asia to blame the deaths of East Asian citizens to the west. The third phase: 9/11 but much worse. And causing Islamophobia in the aftermath

[@CevicheGato]

Plus East Asia would be split as well due to Japan’s over assertiveness on the region. And China in that timeline is nationalist led and has built its own sphere of influence within East Asia as well. As well as suffered a protest in Nanking in which was orchestrated by western banks. It gave a rise to a new nationalist group of Chinese. As China thought it was closer to democratic, events changed in which hampered Chinas true potential in the world. And this instead turned China more militant. Even when the old socialist ruled USSR allowed a few republics to be free, this caused tensions in the green sea region.

[@lancetheking7524]

A part 2 would be interesting

[@phaiz55]

I'm not sure I'd say the terrorists underestimate our response/outrage, but that it's exactly what they want. These groups know they can't take us down completely but attacks lead to major responses which in turn create collateral damage and ultimately fresh meat for their cause.

[@NewCivilization]

If Arabic is a dead language, at this point, where is that "fresh meat" coming from?

[@мувн-ш4ы]

@@NewCivilization how would Arabic be a dead language? even if the "crusade" did happen they would not target the Christians of Lebanon who would still be alive and speaking Arabic.

[@DiamondLotus210]

I’m honestly surprised you didn’t even mention the possibility of nuclear retribution. That was the first thing that came to my mind

[@ziadhulhok]

I hardly think it will happen

[@themetalhead1463]

We don’t need nuclear retribution. Our wartime reserve capabilities with the precision technology makes us able to be effective without it. Nuclear weapons are simply a deterrent.

[@if1ame563]

Nuclear retribition to who? A Saudi with links to Is**l did 9II and the US destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq instead This war wasn't fought with the objective of eliminating terrorism. It was created to stuff the pockets of defence contractors after America won the Cold War the the Soviet Bogeyman no longer sufficed.

[@franciscoanimations]

We need a part 2

[@StarCrusier900]

The Middle East would be gone, turned to glass

[@мувн-ш4ы]

not really

[@m74644]

@@мувн-ш4ыa bunch of uneducated 15 year olds with ak-47s overthrew the government, pretty sure it wouldn’t be that hard for the most heavily funded, most advanced military in the world

[@moreedcola6837]

Interesting fact: the 9/11 attacks, according to Osama himself, were inspired by the crash of EgyptAir flight 990, a 767 which was deliberately crashed into the oceans off the US’s east coast. I guess that’s also where he got the idea of using specifically Boeing 767s to strike the assigned targets……

[@styliano]

I believe the idea of using airplanes as weapons came from VASP 375, when the hijacker intended to hit Brazil's presidential house in order to kill the president (there is a movie about it). In fact, articles about these case were found inside a cave where Osama Bin Laden was hidden at some point.

[@tristantriton8115]

War is a place where young people who don't know each other and don't hate each other kill each other, based on decisions made by old people who know and hate each other, but don't kill each other... " - Paul Valéry

[@Alireza-1385]

Man just started another crusade

[@johnnysawyer290]

This would make an interesting dystopian drama.

[@RealGreatValueBlueberries]

literally the crusades all over again but much more violent

[@bluesubaru7338]

Bruh this sounds like a call of duty plot

[@vericbasilio]

Now now Monsieur Z , I know it's near Halloween but you don't have to scare us like that.

[@johnlime1469]

He just gave Activision the greatest Modern Warfare plot for free.