Mixed Reality Is Replacing My Vision

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Chapters:
00:00 - XR And My Quest 3
20:54 - Vision Pro Has A Good Price
Music: Mist Echo - Broad Sky.mp3

[@rickysargulesh1053]

When did Apple ever have a good price for anything???

[@BoroCG]

I mean, I still use my iPad Pro many years later, and it works as fast as it did when I got it. Can't say the same about the Samsung tablet, it barely powers up at this point. iPad has a good price for all the years of good work

[@rickysargulesh1053]

@@BoroCG My Ipad also still works fine after years but generally for the performance Apple delivers it is overpriced

[@NI-ko5kt]

​@@rickysargulesh1053Apple has also been lying about the specs of their new computers in their marketing lol

[@SCtester]

Plenty of times. The M1 MacBook Air is the best value sub-$1K laptop in its class. iOS devices also tend to hold their value very well on the used market due to better longevity and software support on average,

[@stacyvourlen2043]

All the time, you're just broke or cheap or both.

[@noaburr]

Really hated the fresnel lenses of the Q2. Always felt like everything other than the pinpoint area in the center was blurry. Could barely read the text, and couldn't get the right distance between the lenses to feel comfortable. Ended up returning mine after a few weeks because I hated the experience of wearing it lol. This video made me consider the Q3 but I'm still wary of Meta VR products overall after my Q2 experience. Might get one if it goes on a very good sale in the future. Thanks for the review!

[@Queen-dl5ju]

pancakes are amazing, i use to have to look around with my head, now i can look around with my eyes

[@REOsama]

I like the comparison with a laptop vs a phone, that's an insightful idea

[@terrygarbut1442]

Thanks for your perceptive review & observations. Got my Q3 last week. The ‘mixed reality’ is a game changer as you note. As an original 1984 Mac SE developer (Canada) we had to buy a $10K Lisa computer to develop apps. Fast forward to the $3.5K VP. As you also know Apple has set up world wide developer labs around VP development. No doubt the VP will morph into a typical premium priced Apple device ‘family’! Aka iPhone redux. Hopefully Meta will provide healthy competition. And Hopefully my Musk neural AI implants will solve the energy/weight problem😊.

[@chiefpanda7040]

I wish they kept the quest 3 as large as the quest 2, it would have been interesting to see how much more powerful it would have been but I do understand that they are just doing this to get closer to those mystical xr sunglasses.

[@johannesburgreal441]

great review of the Q3 - one of the best out there

[@mruniverse9500]

Very interesting now after you explained that way I finally see that price tag is justified. But I am not buying it just because it's an apple product. They will always find a way to cap your experience unless you get an apple account, apple phone, desktop, watch, pen and apple everything.

[@JPWestmas]

Great overview! Virtual desktop is very nice at 120 frames per second if you want and your monitor supports it. But yeah it's limited to 1080p sadly, unless you are in VR.

[@yumnax]

Diagree on the external battery for Apple Vision Pro. You pretty much called it silly. I dont get why when you yourself explained why its superior. You use your Meta Quest 2 device for extended periods of time. So I assume its mostly plugged in. Now think wouldn’t it be more comfortable on the neck and nose if you could just take the battery from the Quest 2 and place it on the table given that you’re not using standalone anyways? Especially if the battery is the heaviest component this option is a life saver. Obviously the wish is for a super slim battery not thicker than a sheet of paper on your head is there but for now I think that was the smartest move. And almost all form of clothing has a pouch, e.g. jeans, sweatpants, jackets and even skirts. I hope they add a clip on the battery itself for outfits without a pouch. I hope this short text brought some perspective. Also thanks for the video, great job! Edit: Also we differ on EyeSight. Like headphones we don’t always want to take off our devices just because someone has approached us or is talking to us. But would be interested to see what your final perspective is when you review it.

[@peejae082004]

They should move the processor and battery to an external 'power bank' like device and just push power and display out through usb-c. I personally think Apple made the right choice in using external power - although they made it bulky and heavy due to the materials that they used. One step forward, two steps back.

[@mrcwyk]

Yep! That was my thinking as well, as a main device the price seems a lot more reasonable. Still totally absurd for me, though! After watching your Shapelab video, and looking into Substance Modeler and Gravity Sketch, I think a Quest 3 for product design ideation may be worthwhile.

[@viperjay1]

good points but what will Apple care and what will the storage space options cost ?

[@maikeru01]

Why don't they just give you the option to plug your VR into the wall? You aren't going out anywhere with it. You're going to be sitting at your desk. Desktop computers don't need batteries, playstations don't have batteries. Kind of weird.

[@BoroCG]

I plug into the laptop when I work, as I mentioned. Used to plug into the wall with a longer cable. But of course for active VR experiences wires suck big time. You wanna be able to rotate with your body 360

[@mruniverse9500]

Movement I guess, I have seen vtubers with motion capture suits walking dancing and doing back flips in VR.

[@DanielSarli]

I think we may not be too far from what you describe. Check the xreal glasses.

[@mikem2949]

I enjoyed the video and get what you're saying about how Apple is aiming for this to essentially be a wearable laptop. I still have concerns with that, though. For starters, I think it's unlikely to ever sell like they want because most people don't spend anywhere near 3,500 dollars for a laptop. I understand that, ideally, we'd get to experience computers in a whole new way and that prices do go up when a technology is miniaturized. For example, laptops are generally more expensive than desktop computers with equivalent processing power. Even with that considered, I just dont think the market is there for this yet. My girlfriend, her parents, my parents, and many others I know think that 1000 dollars is too expensive for a computer. Im personally willing to spend more because I do a lot of gaming, music, movies, not to mention all of my writing on my computer. Still, it's possible to get a decent gaming laptop for under 2000 dollars. Anything higher than that becomes too much for me, and im known as quite the computer enthusiast in my circle. Im not saying that this will appeal to nobody but many people who have the money to spend more than me will still opt for a desktop or laptop because as powerful as this headset is, its not going to match the proccessing power of a 3,500 dollar desktop computer. I guess what im trying to say is that this would narrow the market down even further. It wont appeal to casua Apart from the pricing, personally I also worry about software compatibility with this. That concern comes largely from how Apple as a company is known to restrict 3rd party app support. Id personally never feel confident in buying this as a gaming laptop for sure unless I saw that they were branching out. Thats more of a personal preference though, ive always preferred PCs to Macs and Androids to Iphones from a software compatibility standpoint alone. Im definitely a VR enthusiast, I was interested in VR tech as a kid back in the 90s when Nintendo was pitching the Virtual Boy lol. Today I use the Quest 2 almost daily and am about to get the Quest 3. I wont stay agsinst any Apple headset that releases in the future if they can convince me but right now Quest headsets are striking that balance between affordability and functionality and apple will have a lot of catching up to do on the software end of things to compete.

[@crd7876]

I’ve been streaming VD on my Quest 3 at 120hz, h264+ which unlocks 400mbps and drops the latency to 16ms + system latency = 34ms on my 4080

[@rickysargulesh1053]

does it also work on Quest 2?

[@aSpork]

very cool, cant wait till its streamlined with a small pair of micro nuclear powered glasses

[@MrErick1160]

Do you get eyes strain from looking inside a screen that is 1 cm from your eyes for hours?

[@DavidGetchel]

Interesting. Hadn't thought about it as a laptop replacement.

[@ChrixB]

Dum question but what kind of laptop spec do you use to dev with Unreal Engine ?

[@Rook818]

The strap is such a joke. It hurts. I have to wear a beanie, which helps.

[@xpeterson]

I thought VR was full immersion, AR was an overlay on reality, and MR was everything in between. Why do we need XR now as well? Let’s please not VAMXR+…

[@BoroCG]

Haha, not really: imageio.forbes.com/blogs-images/quora/files/2018/01/Julia-Tokareva.jpg MR is actual 3D placed in the real world, while AR is just some interfaces providing info and guiding over the real world, mostly flat interface elements

[@badjano]

if you use quest link on pcvr you can have a window per app

[@jdarg4163]

I got my Quest 3 acouple of days ago and it is sick

[@Frank_Art]

You have a 3D printer? Cause there are people making 3d printable adapters for Quest 2 head straps, so they can be used on Quest 3. If you have one, give it a search and see if it works for you. i bought Quest 3 and for now i will stay with the base strap until i get used to the VR in general

[@sefrautiq]

Hm this vignetting you talking about is probably could be mitigated with some app that makes edges of the internal display brighter in post. If someone would make such an app some day

[@BoroCG]

Yeah it could be fixed with software, but it has to be done by Meta as a system-wide color adjustment. Also, for proper colors it better darken the center, not brighten the edges. But it's fine as is, too :D

[@Code_Eye]

11:40 why do it like that? the most common strategy from back on the quest 2 is to use a 20k mah powerbank in your pants pocket and use a decent size charging cable that gives slack but doesnt dangle. no cable accidents. edit: kinda like how the apple headset does it now that i think of it......

[@BoroCG]

Well I just plug into the laptop since I find it to be the cleaner way in this situation. It works very well and I don't touch it by accident. Keeping track of the battery pack while I just sit in front of the laptop seems kind of weird

[@timeTegus]

i think i will buy the q3 :3 ( i skipped the q2)

[@deimovprojects]

Would love to see tutorials using quest 3 and mixed reality in unreal

[@VanGohman]

You can switch between multiple monitors on Virtual Desktop by hitting the Y button.

[@BoroCG]

Yeah you're right, but that's terrible! And I don't have that Y on my mouse or keyboard, while the keyboard shortcut for it is tapping into finger Kung Fu territory. And, you have to actually have those displays connected physically. I think the real benefit would be to add more displays than you actually have, not just make the existing monitors lower res. Anyway, afaik it will change pretty soon

[@VanGohman]

@@BoroCG I hope Guy Godin will allow multiple moveable monitors at once in the future on VD, because that would be better.

[@besknighter]

I think the differentiation between "XR device" and "Spatial Computing Device" is paramount. I'd much rather have a spatial computing device that I can game with than a XR device that I can use for productivity. IMHO, you hit the nail in the head when saying that Quest is like a smartphone and VIsion Pro like a laptop. I can't wait to have one that'd like the PC. Maybe Beyond's Bigscreen 2.0 if they had color passthrough, hand tracking, face tracking and eye tracking?

[@stacyvourlen2043]

The big screen beyond are just putting together off the shelf readily made tech, they can't compete on those features with big companies that actually spend billions of dollars in R&D to come up with solutions. The big screen beyond is merely just an external display for your PC and that's fine, there's a place for headsets that don't try to do everything.

[@besknighter]

@@stacyvourlen2043 Yeah, and I love what they do. I just wish there was a middle ground where it would be it + eye tracking and hand tracking. Face tracking and passthrough would be great but optional.

[@MichaelEmbers]

Make a video using it going to the store! 😊

[@I_like_science]

When the m1 MacBooks came out, they were a killer deal for most consumers. A lot more powerful and battery efficient than most windows computers.

[@AetherSummers]

Just a heads up: the audio keeps going weird throughout the video. I.e. at 6:50

[@BoroCG]

Yeah thank you! I noticed it when it was already published. Apparently you just can't mess with audio in Premiere anymore. In the editor everything sounds perfect, but the final file is messed up like this, urgh

[@mikem2949]

I enjoyed the video and get what you're saying about how Apple is aiming for this to essentially be a wearable laptop. I still have concerns with that though. Even if that's how they go about pitching the Vision Pro, I think it's still unlikely to sell well because most people don't spend anywhere near 3,500 dollars for a laptop. I understand that, ideally, we'd get to experience computers in a whole new way and that prices do go up when a technology is miniaturized. For example, laptops are generally more expensive than desktop computers with equivalent processing power. Even with that considered, I just don't think the market is there for this yet. My girlfriend, her parents, my parents, and many others I know think that 1000 dollars is too expensive for a computer. I'm personally willing to spend more because I do a lot of gaming, music, movies, not to mention all of my writing on my computer. Still, it's possible to get a decent gaming laptop for under 2000 dollars. Anything higher than that becomes too much for me, and I'm known as quite the computer enthusiast in my circle. I'm not saying that this will appeal to nobody but many people who have the money to spend more than me will still opt for a desktop or laptop because as powerful as this headset is, its not going to match the processing power of a 3,500 dollar desktop computer. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this would narrow the market down even further. Apart from the pricing, personally I also worry about software compatibility with this. That concern comes largely from how Apple as a company is known to restrict 3rd party app support. I'd personally never feel confident in buying this as a gaming laptop for sure unless I saw that they were branching out. That's more of a personal preference though, I've always preferred PCs to Macs and Androids to IPhones from a software compatibility standpoint alone. I'm definitely a VR enthusiast though. I was interested in VR tech as a kid back in the 90s when Nintendo was pitching the Virtual Boy lol. Today I use the Quest 2 almost daily and am about to get the Quest 3. I wont be against every Apple headset that releases. Whether or not they can convince me depends on what they do in the future but right now, for me Quest headsets are striking that balance between affordability and functionality and Apple will have a lot of catching up to do on the software end of things to compete IMO.

[@dcbandit]

I want there to be a VR helmet that is like a mask that is also a screen that shows an avatars face or whatever that works like a vtuber program, just mirroring your facial expressions and junk. Would be so much better than lifeless eyes showing through like some weird goggles.

[@BoroCG]

Yeah, would be quite stylish. Kind of like BMO from Adventure Time, but even more pixelated and stylized

[@dcbandit]

@@BoroCG yeah! I was also thinking of one of the members of Daft Punk, the one with the creen helmet. Would work great for many different occasions besides VR, like if your a Vtuber doing a meet and greet.

[@Gingerlion777]

Watching trough cameras for long periods of time is not the future! There is definitely a future in Mr! But this ain't it😅 but for now it'd very nice to have. As an eye specialist I can give you countless reasons why this isn't a great solution long term.

[@BoroCG]

I mean, in the distant future it may actually improve our vision, with zoom, night vision etc. But now, yeah, I gotta say one thing that is concerning is the vergence-accommodation conflict. You look at virtual objects at different distances, but your eyes have to focus at the same distance at the display. That's why you actually can't focus on your own hands - everything becomes blurry

[@Gingerlion777]

@@BoroCG correct! You precisely point at one the issues! I read something about solutions for this problem, and it sounded promising! But we have to see how it works out in a couple of years😅 our eyes are very complex! And the way we can see depth with our eyes is really hard to replicate with lenses.. but im very impressed already by the technique! My only concern is being this close to lenses (and tricking your eyes) is not great long term. (Sorry im not native English) anyway you make great content! Keep it up! Very enjoyable

[@rickysargulesh1053]

You know what I just thought would be cool. If you could connect mouse, keyboard and screen to the Vision Pro. If we see it as a laptop and you don't want to have a bulky headset on all day. If I pay 3500 for it I want to use it differently. Before you could use it all day like a work computer it would need to be as light as wearing glasses.

[@BoroCG]

Just buy a Mac Mini then, right?

[@rickysargulesh1053]

@@BoroCG I guess but if I had a M1 already in my headset this seems like double the cost. If you pay 3500$ at least make it something that can be used without wearing it all the time. It will cause fatigue for most people. I don't know anyone who could wear a headset 8 hours a day. Also for VR headsets it is not even recommended.

[@CircularDiagonal]

It gave me the impression that you haven’t heard about the xreal air glasses, they are like the ray ban glasses but with screens, and they work with your phone, computer or gaming console. So indeed we have that right now.

[@BoroCG]

Haha well yeah I meant like actually normal Ray-Ban shape, with Q3 functionality. Xreal is a thick boi

[@CircularDiagonal]

@@BoroCG oh, ok. I heard that immersed will sell their own AR or whatever glasses, which will come a bit closer to that although definitely not close enough. I think that is as good as it gets for now.

[@Queen-dl5ju]

i really wish the quest 3 went the apple vision route and made the battery external only.. the dam quest 3 is so dam heavy and the battery sucks anyway so most people plug it in while using it anyway

[@VagPoop_]

NERD ALERT

[@FSK1138]

Apple Vision Pro was dead at realese it was never a real product $3000 is not a consumer reality $1000 is the hi end $500 is consumer and by end of next year $200-$300 is what people will spend for Hi rez xr/ar glasses NO one is going to buy a $3000 headset the VARJO ( a PRO product used by NASA engineers ) has dropped in price and is WAY!! better than Apple Vision Pro

[@BoroCG]

Well as I said in the video, your pricing is based on the idea that a VR headset is either a phone-like device, or just a display without processing power. Apple is trying to make it closer to a laptop, where 3000 is a decent high end price. It's a much more powerful device with very different possibilities. It has the right to exist, albeit not being a popular solution for a while

[@saphi20]

@@BoroCGthe issue with that is, as you said, apple wont shoot themselves on the foot. The same way ipad pro does not replace a laptop because they still need to sell their macbooks, vision pro wont replace a laptop either because of the same exact reason. And yeah, they could beat a laptop, they are powerful enough, but apple won't allow it (i own an ipad pro and it's so so so limited , dont get me wrong tho, I love my ipad pro xd). So in the end... what does vision offer? other than being yet another capped apple toy

[@Moonguy13]

I think people are overreacting about the price

[@BoroCG]

I mean, the value of things comes in what you can see using them for. And most people at this point have no idea why they'd need it as much as a good laptop

[@mruniverse9500]

First I thought the price is stupidly ridiculous. But now after Boro explained it and mentioned the double chips and it's basically a powerful laptop, it make sense now. I love smooth high Res graphics as any one else but paying all that money just to get good graphics is too much.

[@mikem2949]

I enjoyed the video and get what you're saying about how Apple is aiming for this to essentially be a wearable laptop. I still have concerns with that, though. For starters, I think it's unlikely to ever sell like they want because most people don't spend anywhere near 3,500 dollars for a laptop. I understand that, ideally, we'd get to experience computers in a whole new way and that prices do go up when a technology is miniaturized. For example, laptops are generally more expensive than desktop computers with equivalent processing power. Even with that considered, I just dont think the market is there for this yet. My girlfriend, her parents, my parents, and many others I know think that 1000 dollars is too expensive for a computer. Im personally willing to spend more because I do a lot of gaming, music, movies, not to mention all of my writing on my computer. Still, it's possible to get a decent gaming laptop for under 2000 dollars. Anything higher than that becomes too much for me, and im known as quite the computer enthusiast in my circle. Im not saying that this will appeal to nobody but many people who have the money to spend more than me will still opt for a desktop or laptop because as powerful as this headset is, its not going to match the proccessing power of a 3,500 dollar desktop computer. I guess what im trying to say is that this would narrow the market down even further. It wont appeal to casua Apart from the pricing, personally I also worry about software compatibility with this. That concern comes largely from how Apple as a company is known to restrict 3rd party app support. Id personally never feel confident in buying this as a gaming laptop for sure unless I saw that they were branching out. Thats more of a personal preference though, ive always preferred PCs to Macs and Androids to Iphones from a software compatibility standpoint alone. Im definitely a VR enthusiast, I was interested in VR tech as a kid back in the 90s when Nintendo was pitching the Virtual Boy lol. Today I use the Quest 2 almost daily and am about to get the Quest 3. I wont stay agsinst any Apple headset that releases in the future if they can convince me but right now Quest headsets are striking that balance between affordability and functionality and apple will have a lot of catching up to do on the software end of things to compete.