I WALK IN VR! - Kat VR Loco S Review - Better Than An Omnidirectional Treadmill?

The Kat VR Loco S allows you to walk in VR...by walking on the spot in real life! How well does it work? Could this be a cheaper alternative to omnidirectional treadmills? Let's find out!
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[@mixedrealityTV]

What do you think of the Loco S? Might that be something for you?

[@ImBananaElite]

Does the "loco" here stands for crazy ? Joke aside, I don't like thoses kind of locomotion type, to me it is neither immersive or convenient.

[@spiritstrengthfitness7101]

Finally!!! (It only took 4+ years) They look pretty good. Can you kick with them or dance? Also, try "Sprint Vector" & Serious Sam 3VR. Thanks man, you rock.

[@renstillmann]

@@ImBananaElite Do you use joystick to move? For me this product might be the best thing due to lack of space. I think omni one or katwalk c are better if you have the space for it. I am skeptical about the product, and don't expect much but bought them yesterday. Glad to see a positive review from MRTV 😁

[@zengceng]

it's pretty pricey for what it provides, essentially a leg joystick. not to mention it requires the company themselves to give support to games (running) so maybe not every game would have running support. i would pass

[@user-hk5fo1nm9h]

You should check out the new tundra SteamVR trackers. Half the size of Vive trackers, they work better, they can run 8 off of one dongle, and a bit cheaper. Kickstarter in a few weeks.

[@Refreshment01]

It's quite amusing that this is basically a Wii solution for locomotion in VR. Early enthusiasts of this wave of VR with the Oculus Kits were using a Wii Balance Board for locomotion and it worked quite well, main problem being the height of the balance board. So it's funny to see that it took all these years for someone to revisit this type of solution when it was already implemented so long ago.

[@ekklesiast]

Walking with your legs in VR is the biggest factor that makes you feel like you're actually in another world and not just sitting in front of a big 3D screen.

[@netshaman9918]

and it suppress the sickness.

[@mitcherny6965]

VR never feels like "sitting in front of a big 3D screen".

[@ekklesiast]

@@mitcherny6965 ok, sitting in a wheelchair

[@rizakayan]

@@netshaman9918 with this, motion sickness is totally gone? For ex. in doom vfr, if i play for 5 min, i will throw out.

[@ItsAllG00d]

That thumbnail picture is the most convincing image of someone walking I’ve ever seen.

[@MrThamahn]

***WARNING*** DO NOT DROP YOUR KAT VR LOCO SENSORS. I dropped mine from waist height onto a bare concrete floor. The sensor light went out and never functioned again. Support will replace the sensor, however, if you can avoid this, please do. This happened twice, I reported the first one to Kat VR support. It happened again, and I decided to just live with the second one. I recommend that you play on carpet, or something. The Kat VR Loco Sensor should have a rubberized cover.

[@saltofearth4902]

Super excited to get this tommorow!

[@paperkid73]

How is it?

[@spiritstrengthfitness7101]

Can you kick with them or dance? Also, try "Sprint Vector" & Serious Sam 3VR. Thanks man, you rock.

[@juancarlosgonzalez8950]

I'm really hoping for "Stride" and "Dance Central." (And dream of "Thrill of the Fight: kickboxing edition.")

[@MrPaulbaitson]

Great video Sebastian, in the near coming future I could see these devices being big business, VR sports, dancing, and football anyone?

[@TurWen]

Mine arrived last week and I had no time to try it Out, now I am eager to :). Very helpful, thanks!

[@renstillmann]

I ordered these yesterday, glad to see positive review from mrtv, but please also share your opinion here, I am curious.

[@TurWen]

@@renstillmann If I have the time I am going to release a video at the weekend.

[@alex_vr1196]

@@renstillmann So, how is it going, ok?

[@renstillmann]

@@alex_vr1196 It works, but it's only good for skow phased games. It's not what I hoped for. But I can't say it doesn't work either. Strafing is not good. Also one thing that is disappointing in Pavlov for example is that when you walk/run the joystick on controller doesn't work so you can't strafe while walking forwards....

[@alex_vr1196]

@@renstillmann Thank you very much for the feedback!

[@tasmania9576]

Good idea.

[@rv7811]

Kat Vr also has a walking omnidirectional treadmill, it looks cool.

[@ImBananaElite]

But he is bad, like most of the static "treadmill" that I have tested, you can't walk naturally in it and it feels more like a pain in the ass than anything.

[@Ludiks]

@@ImBananaElite Indeed it look bad, havent tested it but dont need to see that using this is uselessly tiring and not natural.

[@bailey2624]

that shits like 10gs my guy

[@mhm3437]

Kat VR is the one who manufactured the Loco S. It’s the same company.

[@ADAMAT1C]

Looks like a nice package for a reasonable price, and good to see it is compatible with Reverb G2. This looks like a more elegant solution than cybershoes if you are looking for this kind of thing. I wonder if it would also serve as like a foot tracker for games like VR chat?

[@McKennaShermsPussy]

yeah, these things can work as FBTs but i dont think they work good as them.

[@wowgingermobile2123]

Thanks for the review! I wonder, will walking like this alleviate the VR motion sickness? Many thanks!

[@user-iz4bp1fk2f]

Extremely underrated channel

[@imlordxenu]

I have a Katwalk C arriving shortly, I was worried I may have wasted a lot of money if these were better and much cheaper, but I think I made the right choice. It would be great if a direct comparison could be done between the two.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Would love to do that.

[@AerynGunn]

Do you like the Katwalk C?

[@imlordxenu]

@@AerynGunn I don't use it nearly as much as I thought I would. It's good but I mainly play cyberpunk 2077 in VR now and that isn't compatible.

[@AerynGunn]

@@imlordxenu Aww, that’s too bad. Thanks for the reply.

[@AT99_TKT]

Thanks for the review. I’ve hesitated to buy these sensors because they have be used with Steam. I like the Quest that makes everything so simple. Do you happen to have Population One? I’m very interested to see how the Kat VR Loco S works in that game. Thanks.

[@AcCeSsDeNiEd65]

These things are on sale now it seems. Got mine for $99 with the mat. Cant wait.

[@Raptorialand]

Still waiting for something like the omni that works nativ with the quest :) Also - skyrim vr needs a quest port. Because there is not enough vr out there. Would be a fun project for modderd to get this to work. I mean - doom3 works too

[@grimmgnarly]

😂 There is NO WAY Skyrim will ever be ported to the Quest 2. 1. legalities 2. The HMD has no where near the processing power. Comparing Team Beef’s excellent port of Doom 3 to Skyrim is laughable. But of course that is my dream as well. But I know it for what it is, a dream.

[@ekklesiast]

I hate "walking" with controllers in VR. Motion sickness starts very quickly, and "teleporting" from one spot to another is just boring. I think this is a great idea, I always thought simply walking in place would be a huge improvement.

[@travistanner4626]

Have you tried walking irl in a standing spot while using the controllers to walk/move character? That might reduce motion sickness.

[@ekklesiast]

@@travistanner4626 I tried that but it didn't give the feeling that it's my legs causing the movement

[@tarenstrannik]

If you want to improve your experience with Kat Loco - 1) configure in game moving, where HMD looking (not controller) 2) choose direction source HMD-Body in Kat gateway 3) Activate "Independent head and body orientation" in Kat gateway. (you may need use global configuration mode in kat gateway, not turbo, for this with some games) With this, you'll have possibility to move yor head freely, look anywhere and move in the same time, in the direction of body sensor (which is looking in the same direction as your body) - all like in real life. And, of course, act with your hands absolutely freely.

[@absoluthorror]

Could you tell me if there was a lag between the real stop from the stop in the game? In other word you stop walking, in the game is there another half second walk before the stop?

[@tarenstrannik]

@@absoluthorror Hi! Yeah, it is. It works exactly like you've described. You can decrease lag before stopping (by decreasing walking sensor sensitivity) , but it also leads to increasing time of starting movement (and also you may get not smooth moving as result)

[@absoluthorror]

@@tarenstrannik Do you have a loco or loco s ? Because Kat developers insist there is no lag in the new model s but, you know, i trust gamers not developers 😊😊

[@tarenstrannik]

@@absoluthorror I have first version, not s

[@kennethramirez7450]

Thanks! I am getting it for Christmas.

[@relev6567]

great video, it's a good way to walk in vr without a big ass treadmill in the middle of the room (and way cheaper) and you could use it with haptic vest. but i'm still curious of how it's working on PSVR, on the website it's written psvr compatible

[@travistanner4626]

This product is amazing. I own 4 of these. My wife says it reduces her motion sickness. There is no point in having the 1-2 thousand dollar omni treadmills. This blows it out of the water. I laugh at all the dummies falling for the omni one. You don't have to get strapped into a massive treadmill. The base on the treadmill will wear out in a few months. You will have to replace it and have different size shoes for your friends to play on the treadmill. The sound of that bar going around when you move is awful. It takes up a lot of space. Really great review of the product and the carpet. I recommend the carpet also. It gives me a point of reference where I'm at and to stay. My wife can play in the same room and we just stay on our carpets. Gameplay using these is great, you can auto run backwards or forwards and concentrate on reloading. This will improve your gameplay when you get use to it and are able to look/aim all around you while moving with your feet.

[@travistanner4626]

I've tested these extensively. I checked to see how long it would take me to walk to a spot vs. using loco motion. It's the same. I really wish I could find something about these I didn't like. They stay charged really great. They work on tons of games out there.

[@renstillmann]

Exactly what I was hoping for when I bought them yesterday. Thanks for your thoughts on this product. Can't wait to test it out. At forst I wanted to go with the katwalk c, but space is an issue amd the noise bothers me too. I think I made the right choice by reading both of you guys thoughts. Can't wait to try them out in pavlov and onward, and many other games too!

[@Aycheffe]

How is the latency of these? I've tried the Natural Locomotion app with joycons and i am sold this is the future I want for VR. However with my method there is a delay for stopping and going. How accurately do these things stop when you stop and go when you go. How is the accuracy and latency in general as I simply want the best walking in place solution possible Right now

[@Aycheffe]

@@travistanner4626 how is latency on these things? When you stop does the game stop on a dime or do you drift at bit before stopping? Can you still room scale walk? I'm mainly concerned about latency though

[@eliapavoni2275]

@@Aycheffe There is a slight latency with the old version, i don't know about the new ones yet, i'm going to buy them soon, anyway it's not a game breaking delay or anything, is totally playable

[@hollywoodandcoexperience9657]

I'm real .......REAL happy with my KAT LOCO S!

[@hollywoodandcoexperience9657]

@old mate in some games yes in some no, it's a hard one to explain!

[@Godfather1010]

Nice

[@renstillmann]

That's funny, I bought it yesterday, nice to see a review of it from you popuo right now. I hope it will be living up to my high expectations 😅👍

[@renstillmann]

@MachineGunIt Haven't received it yet. It should arrive any day. But we have a lot of snow so might even take bit longer.

[@alex_vr1196]

@@renstillmann If you finally have got it pls tell your opinion of using it.

[@pbnn735]

Cool gadget, thumbs up for this review

[@asuna8566]

This is really cool, price is not bad either! The mats are sold out though :(

[@mitcherny6965]

I push the thumb stick and walk on the spot to increase the immersion anyway.

[@chrisbacos]

I liked it.

[@tosvus]

You say you are not really walking, but I will be picky and say, yes you are - except what you are thinking of is walking while falling forward, which means the feet need to move forward to stop you from falling :)

[@Duck_Head]

Does it work with full body trackers? Like you strap both on your legs. One serve as movement and other one serve as full body tracker

[@Jahroable]

So this device cant be use natively with the Quest or Quest 2 and Oculus Store games ? It has to be used with Link or Vitrual Desktop?

[@netshaman9918]

I have these and its predecessor , the Kat loco ( without S ) , both of them are awesome, i just can't play in a game without them. Actually , the software allows only one mode for strafing, the previous version allowed two , ( A and B ) , "B" is the one showed here , the other allow you to strafe putting a feet aside , just like the "cruise" mode , it is far more immersive imho. Told that to the Kat VR stafff, they said they will look into it , but it is weird that a better hardware will have a lesser software functionality; if you connect the previous kat loco, the "A" mode returns in the interface, i guess itis a software limitation ( why ? i don't know ). But the best immersive is the WoVR, itis the only one where you can strafe while you are walking forward or backwards, but the con is that it is more "clunky" to wear , because it have cables. BUT it works VERY WELL with Skyrim ! So it depends on what game you are playing, or if you want something fast to wear ( 20 sec ) , or not . The future of VR will becomes when an hmd will be sold with FBT and haptic gloves instead of controlers. Moving with a stick, is not really immersive in comparison, and it is tiring , just because you stay put, and this strain your back, moving your legs is more healthy.

[@absoluthorror]

Could you tell me if there is in loco s and in walkoVR a lag between the real stop from the stop in the game? In other word you stop walking, in the game is there another half second walk before the stop?

[@AerynGunn]

What do you use nowadays for locomotion? I’m trying to decide what to get. I like to play Skyrim and Fallout, so it is mostly for games like that.

[@netshaman9918]

@@AerynGunn i use the new version of the walk o VR, more precise, no cables, mocap capable.

[@robertweekes5783]

There was also a Kickstarter project where you put rollers on your feet, sit in an office chair and drag your feet over the carpet. Like turning your foot into a computer mouse 🦶🖱

[@hammadsheikh6032]

Cyber shoes

[@netshaman9918]

you can't strafe

[@videogamesart8057]

I'm not sure real locomotion in games is the future, it's very tiring. However there is an app on Steam, Natural Locomotion, which allow you to do the same thing with whatsoever controllers and sensors, even Move controllers, give it a look.

[@dominicstocker5144]

If you use it a lot it won't be tiring. It will actually benefit your health.

[@netshaman9918]

Don't feel so natural imho, just because when you walk irl you just don't walk around waving your arms like crazy. Edit: And using vive trackers is very expensive ! About 600 bucks ( trackers + steam vr bases ! )

[@videogamesart8057]

@@dominicstocker5144 It's good for sports or exergames. It's not the right solution for action or adventure games where you run and walk a lot. I get tired of just standing while I play.

[@dominicstocker5144]

@@videogamesart8057 I think that you would get used to it

[@eliapavoni2275]

i've been using kat loco for a year now, is not tiring and yeah it actually benefit you health and it way better than using controllers to move for sure

[@zengceng]

a good omnidirectional treadmill is far away i feel, not that I've been keeping up with the news on that. the latency would be a problem, and when you want to suddenly change direction, you'd slip on the treadmill rather than have friction/ solid ground to stop yourself.

[@synlytheculturedone2228]

If anyone wants to know what it feels like to use the Kat loco instal Freedom Locomotion Vr on steam, it is a software demo that achieves essentially the same effect without using the trackers. After playing that you should make up your mind on wether or not it is a good purchase

[@dennisrichards2540]

I used to rave about Freedom locomotion VR some years back. Something they convay very well in the demo is how the effort you put into getting from point A to B gives you a sense of how for you've travelled; after you jog around the lake and look back at where you came from you get a real sense of distance/achevement (Lakes not really that big)

[@ulrikfriberg8995]

Or even better, buy VRocker on Steam for 9 euro which lets you do this in any game that has joystick locomotion. It has a free demo aswell.

[@beowulfschmidt6031]

I realize this is more appropriate for a wider range of headsets, but does HTC not make some sensors for feet and hips that are visible to the Vive and Index base stations? Is there no software that would do this type of thing using those? Or am I not remembering properly?

[@robperin5365]

Do a video comparing Kat VR and Cyber shoes

[@PlzReturnYourShoppingCart]

ooof I own the kat loco system bc I grabbed it for a lot less than retail. I would honestly skip the loco and the cybershoes (bc of price) and apply the savings for one of the smaller treadmills that Kat will be offering. imo seems that will be a better product as the loco S is quite out of phase feeling. IDK though man. to each their own. I hope we can all fins something that works for us!

[@BrucyJuicy]

Look at vive tracker with natural locomotion there you will have feet tracking and locomotion instead of only locomotion with kat

[@Zerinth]

@@BrucyJuicy so a vive tracker for each foot? arent they at least £100 each? www.scan.co.uk/products/htc-vive-tracker-track-objects-and-special-accessories-in-vr-for-htc-vive-and-vive-pro-virtual-reali

[@netshaman9918]

@@Zerinth You should look et the new Tundra trackers.

[@reptilexcq2]

@@BrucyJuicy I try the Vive trackers, it sucks. It doesn't track correctly. I am using it with Natural Locomotion software. When you stop, sometimes it doesn't stop immediately and still moving and if it keep doing that, you're going to feel dizzy. I am like forget this shit, I am returning it. These trackers are good for something like VRchat where you feel your avatar in your presence or holding a gun or something but as for helping you track your legs movement? Nah....not accurate. NaLo is better off with hand movement, not feet.

[@Privat846]

Hi , is it compatible with ps5 and meta quest 3 ? If not are there alternatives ?

[@TheArgoneon]

Pleas make a Video about NALO (natural locomotion app) on steam. Does exactly the same thing but with different available trackers (Nintendo switch, Vive tracker, etc.). It also has a arm swing mode that reduces motion sickness and is less work intensive as waking mode. Many supported games and a lot of config options. Great software that nobody seems to know.

[@ivanteece]

Natural Locomotion is great! They even got it working with G2 controllers which don't have capacitive buttons :( You push forward slightly on the thumbstick to engage.

[@reptilexcq2]

I try the Vive trackers, it sucks. It doesn't track correctly. I am using it with Natural Locomotion software. When you stop, sometimes it doesn't stop immediately and still moving and if it keep doing that, you're going to feel dizzy. I am like forget this shit, I am returning it. These trackers are good for something like VRchat where you feel your avatar in your presence or holding a gun or something but as for helping you track your legs movement? Nah....not accurate. NaLo is better off with hand movement, not feet.

[@GAzcona]

Thanks for the video! Mine just arrived but I forget to buy the VR mat. Do I really need the VR mat or should just find something better or cheaper?

[@renstillmann]

I bought it yesterday but with the mat, it's a special mat which makes sure you stay at tbe same spot, but I guess any mat that is round and small would do the trick. Think of a bathroom/toilet mat i guess?

[@alex_vr1196]

So, how is it going after 3 months?

[@ZombieITX]

Gabber VR!

[@MrGillb]

katwalk c review when

[@rickyspanish9584]

I just dunno if I should get these or the Treadmill itself

[@mhm3437]

What if you have pets. I was really hyped for this until I remembered my pets. 🙂

[@stefanobean4039]

I have Kat loco (not "s" version) but at 99% it's the same. I'm happy with it. It work good, with all games, of course it's not perfect. but can help and make more realistic,, you can for example walk on right, look in front and fire on left at the same time. make strafe walk more natural.. It's immediate of use and personally it's more easy and less energy expensive than cybershoes. that I stop to use it when I got the kat loco. What is not good it's to walk back, not natural. But I'm happy, actully, it's the best solution (Kat C, walk and similar all less natural)

[@absoluthorror]

What about the lag between the real stop from the stop in the game? In other word you stop walking, in the game is there another half second walk before the stop?

[@Aycheffe]

PLEASE do a comparison video between this and Natural Locomotion app with vive trackers. I will buy whichever you say works better

[@reptilexcq2]

I try the Vive trackers, it sucks. It doesn't track correctly. I am using it with Natural Locomotion software. When you stop, sometimes it doesn't stop immediately and still moving and if it keep doing that, you're going to feel dizzy. I am like forget this shit, I am returning it. These trackers are good for something like VRchat where you feel your avatar in your presence or holding a gun or something but as for helping you track your legs movement? Nah....not accurate. NaLo is better off with hand movement, not feet.

[@vrgamer5045]

晃动太厉害了

[@marcinkarpinski9163]

I own these. They work well but there is a catch no one tells you about. After using a while you'll put them on your shelf and that's it. In games distances are large and out of simple laziness you will prefer walking with controller. The only game I'm using it for is Gorn. However for the price you won't find anything better so if you want to try in-place locomotion then go for it

[@zaxxon32]

Any dizzy feeling when walking on the same spot?

[@ImBananaElite]

@@zaxxon32 If you are dizzy in VR, do those things : -achieve a higher fps amount (by lowering the settings or upgrading your configuration). -increase the fov. -play VR regularly and don't stop when you feel sick. If you practice enough, you will develop more and more immunity over time.

[@awesome9174]

@@ImBananaElite Also consuming ginger an hour before playing can help reduce motion sickness as you gain your VR legs.

[@marcinkarpinski9163]

@@zaxxon32 No, not at all. I'd even say that it helps a little with motion sickness comparing to standing in place and walking with joystick (that's my girlfriend's opinion)

[@ImBananaElite]

​@Intelligent Redditor Don't go up to the point to vomit, but if you want your body to adapt, he have to face the problem. Start slow and push your boundaries further away every sessions.

[@user-ri4yw1pw5q]

I bought this. Mostly because I am already “walking” in VR

[@hawkinsdaniel7144]

I just want... My G2 :( I'm still waiting for it... This looks ok, although I'd probably rather use my current method of walking about 6 metres across my room and then physically turning round to walk back whilst correcting my view with the controller 180 degrees. (If I'm feeling like I want to walk)

[@oiitssean]

You're still waiting?? Damn.

[@tharainmak3r956]

That would make me sick so fast

[@duked19]

Would you, Sebastian, prefer these over the "arm swinging" type of locomotion? And do you think these are better than CyberShoes? When running (in place), does the headset wobble up and down, making the experience less immersive and less comfortable?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Hi there! I really like the arm swinging ones honestly speaking. But this is really good as well and it works for those games that do not have the arm swinging implementation!

[@duked19]

@@mixedrealityTV OK, good to know. Arm swinging was one of the first types of locomotion I tried when I got into VR, never liked it though. Maybe I should try it again, now that I have reasonable VR-legs. I've also tried walking in place while holding the thumbstick forward in smooth locomotion games, to simulate what Kat is doing, and to see if the game became more immersive. That wasn"t for me, though, but maybe the real thing (Kat Loco S) works better than what I simulated. I wish all smooth locomotion games simulated that you (in VR) were standing on a hover board, or an electric skateboard. That would make the motion in game correspond better (as smooth locomotion games feel like you are floating/sliding forward).

[@jackmissoorten7946]

Hi Seb, does it work with Virtual desktop, so also with the oculus quest ?

[@eliapavoni2275]

yes!

[@hat8918]

Can you use Kat Loco S and DecaMove at the same time?

[@dennisrichards2540]

To be honest I'll start taking treadmill solutions seriously when developers get their act together and agree a standardized VR controls, its hard enough to get them to have free locomotion and smooth turning let alone anything else especially a whole new input system. A problem I struggle with is when you get used to a certain game like Pavlov for example and get used to a fluid interactable firarms with a brilliant feeling 'virtual stock' then go to a game that feels different like Half-Life Alyx that doesn't let you run, you fall like a leaf, can't holster, drop or pick up weapons, use a knife etc etc . . . it really takes me out of the game . . . . . . every time I play HL:A I always wish it felt like Pavlov, I wish I could use Pavlov as my personal avatar profile or something.

[@FoxFloof]

Ok but of a late response but it's not supposed to be like Pavlov, they are 2 entirely different games with different styles of gameplay and "tasks" HL:A shouldn't be like Pavlov because it's not made to have the same physics as Pavlov. If games are like one another then it's just would be boring constantly.

[@elpianistadelcaos9119]

¿ Son compatibles con Pico 4 ? Se requiere de pc?

[@kwis79]

Hello Sebastian ! What did you prefer : Cybershoes ou Kat VR Loco S ?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Liked both. Loco S feels more like walking obviously but it's more tiring than Cybershoes...

[@MrHardbodies]

I was about to purchase the Omni directional treadmill, now I am considering this…. Hmmmm what to do

[@hamsa5829]

Work for Blade and sorcery

[@Kappi1997]

Can they also be used for full body tracking like the htc vive trackers?

[@user-yy8ln9rg4s]

Yes,same quality as xbox one kinect, not as precise as base stations+trackers but usable

[@shadowfauxx7]

4:17 felt really good walking that you would rather teleport lol

[@NowIsGold]

I am wondering if it works with Valve Index controllers. Any experience sofar?

[@mixedrealityTV]

It does.

[@teemuleppa3347]

Does this help with motion sickness?

[@the.virtual.samurai]

Can they also be used for keg tracking?

[@XtremJul85]

When your drinking game is so good that you need to start tracking your keg not to waste time removing your headset. lol (I know it was a typo)

[@KNOWLEDGEKOLLECTIVE]

how is this different than the natural locomotion steam app?

[@Llink4n]

When he lies he does this little "tic" with his tongue before continuing.

[@absoluthorror]

Could you tell me if there was a lag between the real stop from the stop in the game? In other word you stop walking, in the game is there another half second walk before the stop?

[@leomilor]

According to a review from a small channel "cyborg", the Loco has less inertia/delay than other solutions like Natural locomotion with VIVE trackers.

[@leomilor]

This one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u2k2eIprloa7M

[@absoluthorror]

@@leomilor yes I saw the review tks

[@roylee8114]

Hmm...the locomotion is cool but if these could do full body tracking without the need for lighthouses would be a game changer.

[@taylors_8431]

It doesn't need lighthouses. Works with quest 2, and uses the transmission box as an additional USB input device.

[@roylee8114]

@@taylors_8431 I think u misunderstood me. I know it doesn't need lighthouses for the locomotion as it uses it's own receiver, but I'm talking about full body tracking like the vive trackers( like if u you do a kick it mimics it in vr). I know a lot of games don't support this...but I think a cheaper entry point for full body tracking(vive trackers are too expensive) will make it more mainstream and devs will implement it.

[@reptilexcq2]

@@roylee8114 I try vive trackers with feet motion, it sucks.

[@kennethramirez7450]

Many people think this is a gimmick against joysticks. Joysticks are just terrible. Not to mention motion sickness. Full body tracking, movement and haptic are the next stage of VR.

[@intetx]

I know it's not your favourite game, but it's none the less one of the most popular. You should really try such things in VRCHAT too.

[@woopygoman]

The biggest problems: W only (should be WASD), no variable speed or at least walk/sprint, no jumping, no kicking.

[@mixedrealityTV]

It has wasd,watch the video again. It also has variable speed.

[@gamecity7265]

' Making "Controllers" inspired by Ratchet's HoverBoots PS3 Game. Simply shift your weight and there you go ! ! !

[@hawkinsdaniel7144]

This sounds great!! I'd buy this.

[@Rmilyard]

I just got mine. Today started to try use them. Seems like need to march which doesn't feel good and when I do they don't want to go straight. Not sure if something I might be missing.

[@alex_vr1196]

So, how is it going after 3 months later?

[@Rmilyard]

@@alex_vr1196 haven't really had time to use it. With school back in IT work very busy!

[@alex_vr1196]

@@Rmilyard Thank you for the feedback.

[@Rmilyard]

Aren't you in AZ also? If want to try them out welcome to.

[@alex_vr1196]

@@Rmilyard Thank you, man! Currently I'm in Russia)) Anyway, I appreciate your kindness!

[@Eskoxo]

can't really imagine why this cant be done only through software with htc vive trackers. Personally just waiting for the much smaller trackers from tundra labs for full body tracking.

[@Rin-qj7zt]

It can. All you need is a hip tracker and software to run it and keep track of which direction it's located. You'll have to correct for drift of course but that's probably the hardest part.

[@Eskoxo]

@@Rin-qj7zt figured you probably can but for me personally i am okay with just moving with a joystick feels natural to me after years of doing it that way it also would take something really extreme for me to get sick in vr.

[@mithrillis]

I wonder whether this is compatible with normal roomscale movement.

[@CorporateZombi]

I would think that you would get movement from both. So not really. I think it would be like walking in real life and moving the thumbstick at the same time.

[@nosvsanton]

the main problem here - immursive backwards

[@mistermakebelieve]

Kat VR didnt send me their product. I bought it. There is latency and sometimes the hip part gets stuck blue.

[@rubberduck8867]

What about going backwards? I heard that movign backwards is really bad

[@Dammlee]

does this also provide full body tracking?

[@synlytheculturedone2228]

It has a full body option but its insanely bad and it was only added as an experiment

[@18bagabooo]

Have you tried it with Pavlov VR? Because that game can't even get the controls for the G2 right...

[@renstillmann]

I have issues with pavlov too sometimes with g2, I ordered loco s yesterday, I will let you know once I tested it out myself.

[@renstillmann]

But it would be better if @MRTV would do a video with pavlov and onward

[@18bagabooo]

Yes just curious because the shooting gameplay is really amazing in pavlov. Would make it very immersive, for fast shooting like pavlov I can’t get used to the thumbs-tic movement.

[@renstillmann]

@@18bagabooo Same here, I feel like I am moving around like a clown. It also makes me not turn irl. I hope this loco S and the VR mat will change this. My moving space is very small so I hope it makes me turn more confidentially. Will see how it goes 👍

[@alex_vr1196]

@@renstillmann How does it work with Pavlov and Onward?

[@anahata8870]

1"If" it dont "run", 2"than"it does not "run" here, 2 anyone "else".

[@user-km4we2pb4v]

Only teleport and room scale!!!

[@finpark7785]

Does this reduce motion sickness?

[@travistanner4626]

Yes they do but if you get motion sick and use the auto run feature with the one foot out and up, you will get dizzy. Even without these if you actually just walk when you use your thumbstick to move, you can reduce motion sickness. Having a fan blow on you while playing vr reduces motion sickness also.

[@joshnorriss1969]

You know Kat makes omni directional treadmills right?

[@mixedrealityTV]

I have one.

[@ryano2883]

I commend them for coming up with a cheap product, but if you're really that concerned then you should spend the money for the C.

[@HuJohner]

How is this worth it? You can buy two Vive trackers for this price and use OpenVR WalkInPlace for free and also have the benefit of having actually tracked feet!

[@renstillmann]

This is one reason: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqi5i6NmfMl1bbc strafing another i guess.

[@hammadsheikh6032]

No need for base stations

[@HuJohner]

@@renstillmann this doesn’t highlight any problems with walking in place?

[@ulrikfriberg8995]

I didn´t know about OpenVR WalkInPlace. I see it is being continually updated. Have you tried it? Is it working good? Do you have any experience with NaLo or Vrocker in comparison?

[@renstillmann]

@@HuJohner Yes but it explains the issue I was referring to. The kat loco s has this implemented as well.

[@joonakankainen9352]

This sounds expensive. What about latency? What about reliability? What about precision? They should be no less than perferct for that price.

[@inceptional]

Not sold.

[@charlielima]

I received a KATVR Loco s that was faulty or the software/hardware is very poor. Would not connect properly with Steam and when it occasionally connected, you had to lift your knees almost to you chin to get it to recognise a moment. Software has to be downloaded from kat vr site, and windows warn about it being unsecured. Total nightmare. Avoid save yourself time and money.

[@Ujktitru]

If it wouldn't be seriously overpriced maybe worth it

[@FPChris]

Fallout 4 VR?

[@willxowo]

I'd rather use a treadmill than do all that stomping

[@renstillmann]

Me too (i think) but I do not have the space for it right now. For me this product might be the "perfect" "solution". No idea if I will enjoy/like it. But just using sticks on a controller also isn't that immersive either. Plus some exercise while gaming could be nice.

[@bailey2624]

wow so simple Dont even need those 5k platforms now

[@zaxxon32]

You will be tired in a matter of seconds running in crazy games like Serious Sam, lol.

[@Dammlee]

depends, i actually like to "run" like this without such trackers to add immersion

[@zaxxon32]

@@Dammlee Do you realize how many kilometers will you be running in a frenzy game like that at full speed?

[@zaxxon32]

@@nickjacobsss True, but i like to play several hours to my favorite game, so i can't play it that much time if i have to do it running al the time. You can play 30 mins of "Beat Saber" and you will be done and satisfied, but 30 mins of Serious Sam is very few.

[@renstillmann]

@@zaxxon32 You can still use controllers, it's optional in that regard. I love some Pavlov and workout a little bit until I am tired. I don't know yet because I only bought the product yesterday. I just hope the latency is low. And that it is responsive,up to my standards.

[@zaxxon32]

@@renstillmann Of course. I never denied controllers as the main alternative nowadays. Indeed, y want to practice sports in VR as well. I usually do "frontenis" in real life, and i think the gamer world needs to stand up those butts a little bit from the couch lol. Sometimes i think about am VR treadmill the same way others think about a spinning bike at home.

[@viktorianas]

3dRudder is still the best for lazy people.

[@XavianJohnson]

Not worth. They would of sold out like hot cakes if it supported full body tracking for VRChat.

[@BrucyJuicy]

Use vive tracker with the Programm natural locomotion than you will have full body tracking and locomotion instead of Kat loco where you only have loco motion

[@zevanyablacht4734]

I wonder... How about instead of using this, we can use dualshock 3 that has sixaxis... By putting it in the center of your chest, U can "lean" to any direction and it will become movement in game.... Don't u think so? He😁he😄he😁he😄he... For the proof of concept, u can vist my channel... Peace

[@TheSaabzternater]

does this work with quest 2

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yeah, with Link.

[@I-_-I_SB]

\-_-/ include the companies commercials, review the companies commercials claims, as well as their products. Maybe