These characters deserved better than Velma

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Velma didn't have many redeeming qualities but some of the characters were generally likeable but got punished without just cause and deserved better than how things ended off on.
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[@AstroTom]

The part about Fred is genuinely heartbreaking. I had no idea about the part where he tries to be polite but his parents make him act rude. I'd like to think that Fred found a better life after he left.

[@flameking1325]

I'm betting we will see him being a successful detective in the next season, only for Velma to ruin his reputation and steal his idea.

[@PUGHIE]

Yeah. It does feel like Fred's the only character in the show that's grows him to be somewhat of a better person, but then he gets constantly crapped on by almost everyone else and in the end he's left with nothing. I'd say leaving his awful parents is the best option for him.

[@brandonlyon730]

@@PUGHIELeaving Velma and her “friends” was good as well, he deserved better than any of them.

[@PUGHIE]

@@flameking1325 Oh my gosh now that you say that your right because in her own prologue, Velma practically tells us that the story of this show is told her way, meaning that every event that's accurate was explained in her own vision. But what if everything that's happened wasn't 100% true? What if she's been lying from the start?

[@knightofarnor2552]

He met three kids his age who happen to share names with some of the bozos who've been tormenting him. One of them has a sweet dog.

[@orkutfinance]

Velma is so bad at even being a Mary Sue that it physically hurts the entire concept of Mary Sue. She claims to be intelligent yet is the dumbest character on the show . She claims to be a brilliant detective, yet everybody else solves the case. And everybody's in love with her despite her being the most ugliest character inside and out.

[@draykohunter6805]

Paradoxical character like this is actively brain rotting to watch

[@chucklebouf5379]

That's actually what makes her a typical Mary Sue/self insert. Logically, she should be brutally punished for all her flaws yet never is. Everyone turns back around to fall for her garbage, her stupidity never prevents her from doing anything because she's handheld through the case and the show/writer thinks she's smart for having things spelled out for her. Slapstick injuries don't matter because they recover by the next scene, which is a classic Mary Sue thing. You can bet Mindy Kaling would protest and say she can't be because look in this scene she got hit by a car by a 'bad' person, so she suffers so she's deep. But that doesn't matter, Velma bounces right back. It's the pinnacle of an informed flaw as opposed to one you are shown. The opposite of this is Fred. You are informed he gets everything handed to him and is entitled and could get away with murder but within the show itself he's not and he can't. The only times his 'white privilege' even work as advertised is to assist Velma.

[@draykohunter6805]

@@chucklebouf5379 true she's just so antithetical to my perception of characters as a concept that I would much rather watch any other typical Mary Sue as their flaws and usually lack thereof are more enjoyable to watch in the moment, until retrospection, instead of pounding me in the face

[@hokton8555]

i kinda disagree with ppl who say that you cant root for characters who arent good (many villains have fans, or an even better example: anti-heroes), velma is worse than a villain - shes just mean, rotten inside and thinks she far better than everyone else and doesnt care about the persons who actually try to build up any relationship to her. Melma is meant to be the only "good" person in this series but isnt charismatic nor can you understand her goals/reasons for her evilness. She just terrorizes everyone around her. on the other hand Fred & Sophie are meant to be "antagonist" characters but are treaten so bad and are the only characters (alongside Gigi) who actually have a good personality/have a positive character arc. While Norvilles character arc is to become an alpha male to be mean to Gigi. That you just feel sorry for them. This show is just peak bad writing where Mandy just gave herself the best ending and thinks everyone would think that everything Melma does would be "funny" (like the awful twerking scene) while the characters who she hates without a reason tortures thinking you would feel Schadensfreude.

[@conniethepokemon]

She's so ugly and a horrible person she's the most ugly character on the show inside and out I hope her half sister doesn't end up being like her also she just as bad as a tick

[@1slayer959]

Funny thing is, for as unlikeable as they tried to make fred. He came across way more sympathetic. He was unfairly harrassed by the town and framed by velma. And in the end, he starts a business, for the purpose of redeeming his mother because he didn't want to accept her evil acts. That's actually a compelling origin story, that ironically is way more complex then the, Powerful men given more power, origin velma accused male characters of having

[@Eagercheetah20]

Yeah if you ask me Fred should have been the main character of this garbage show as he’s the only one who got any good development like you listed here

[@chucklebouf5379]

Awful people do this a lot. They're petty and vindictive and think everyone should see what they're mildly annoyed at and think those people deserve extreme punishments. So they create these punching bag characters that any sane person likes more. There's a comic/meme called 'The New Guy' this lunatic made that got the artist a huge amount of backlash because everyone liked her wholesome punching bag 'New Guy' over her awful self insert.

[@1slayer959]

@@chucklebouf5379 bad people think they're the victim afterall

[@1slayer959]

@@Eagercheetah20 yeah. And like, this was supposed to show that velma is the one who got the mystery gang together, but she did nothing to solve the case. Daphne got the evidence, shaggy took out the villain, and freds the one who makes solving supernatural mysteries his life mission. Velma...bitched a lot, and danced over a dead body. She did nothing of value

[@jturner2577]

Fred's a tragic character who's in denial about his mother.

[@jarrettcox3557]

I love how velma claims shes smart but gets handed clues, amazing despite acting spiteful towards everything and everyone, and witty despite either getting punished for it rightfully so or ruining somebodies life in the process.

[@yepsilon2898]

Let's also remember that Velma needed Norville to help forge a good report card for her and that she at one point had a "Flat Earth Phase".

[@flameking1325]

Fun thing I think in the first episode she told Norville to email her the answers to her math homework.

[@bunnywithakeyboard7628]

Characters have a hard time being more intelligent than the people writing them.

[@jturner2577]

I like to Imagine that her Half Sister Amanda ends up being similar to A pup named scooby doo's velma both in terms of appearance, intelligence, kindness and strength.

[@level20eevee75]

just shows how shit the writers are at making characters actually likeable

[@JG-pt3xe]

Amanda is a newborn baby and her life is already a mess. Velma basically took her away from her mom, destroyed her stuff, dropped her on her head several times, neglected her, apparently tried to sell her on the dark web at one point, and kicked her out of the house along with her parents, leaving them potentially homeless. That baby is going to grow up *DESPISING* Velma and Diya.

[@jturner2577]

Amanda will want them dead for sure. Velma and Diya better hope she's not a child progidy.

[@abhilashatiwari5155]

As she should

[@hanushelatifi7561]

Like i feel bad for her! Amanda needs some hugs :(.

[@elizabethperry2622]

That horrible “bonding moment” between Velma and her dad where they flat up snatch Amanda. Sweet Sophie is sleep deprived, breast feeding and now her newborn has vanished. She’s tearing through the house calling out for baby Amanda in a panic and Velma’s just laughing her butt off. She needs to go away, for a whole year and get serious help before anyone lets her within eyesight of that baby ever again.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

​@@elizabethperry2622 if the ending of this shitshow ends with Velma being killed like a witch in the salem trials I'll laugh

[@genebaker511]

If you remove Velma altogether, everyone's lives would've been better.

[@jakomioftherose2434]

That's not Velma. That's Mindy in a bad cosplay.

[@fishingmasterstudios9481]

you mean Elma, that woman isnt even CLOSE to the original Velma

[@SkyDiamond158]

Fr. there’s literally a scene with her dad, her step mom and her sister in the car singing “just the three of us”

[@elliotsturtplus340]

@@jakomioftherose2434 true

[@hisshoota]

Honestly, if ANY other character was the main character, the show would've been a lot better

[@nont18411]

The whole “homewrecking stepmom” is such an old stereotype. Glad that Gloria from Modern Family subverted this beautifully. She is one of my most favorite sitcom characters ever. Also, did you realize that both Gloria and Sophie are Latinas? Velma reinforced even more bias not just against stepmoms but also treated Latinas as the people who will wreck your home and being there just to be spicy and seduce the husband into cheating on his wife. A very harmful, sexist and racist stereotype. Note: The dad didn’t cheat on the mom. The mom left him. He moved on. Simple as that.

[@Dave102693]

Ikr?

[@UrMentalHealth]

Gloria is litteraly the best

[@georgeprchal3924]

Yeah it's been like 10 years since her mom left. Jesus.

[@ivorynk752]

Is it really home-wrecking or an affair if the previous wife had been gone with no contact for years? She should have been declared legally dead by then.

[@acm3047]

But the step mom isn't home Wrecker tho if your parenter has been gone for a long ass time the man has the right to move on I don't think wrong to do.

[@jupiterlantern2601]

I'm surprised on how Sophie is written to be a nice person. She could've easily be written as your stereotypical 1-dimensional evil, abusive stepmother to make Velma a better person in comparison

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

I think the writers of this show thought that because Sophie is so positive, pregnant and overall just more feminine compared to Velma that makes her a 'bad person' by default. Even her being pregnant is treated as if that's some sort of issue when in the long run of things, it's not. Edit: How the hell did this get over 300 likes?

[@jupiterlantern2601]

@Super Cosmic Mutant Honey Candle Squid huh, that explains a whole lot-💀

[@viktoria_pikovsky]

Yeah, true. Sophie is a much better mother to Velma than her actual mom, and she is one of the few people in the show who genuinely listens to her and tries to get along with her shit. For a character who we suppose to despise as Velma's step mom and her dad's mistress, Sophie is extremely likable character and one who I really felt for. Sophie is such a nice and fun lady, she doesn't deserve all the shit the show poured on her.

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

Sophie and the baby are the only tolerable characters.

[@nont18411]

The writers didn’t know what they were doing so they wrote Sophie to be a good person by accident.

[@silverbullet7691]

I can’t believe they tried so hard to make us hate Fred only for him to be the most sympathetic character with an actual character arc

[@TheCreeperSwagOffical]

Fr

[@nothere3982]

Because he's a "white" man and can get away with murder. Bruh, this show is horrible, and very racist. Believes that shoving different races into it makes it automatically morally good as horrible as it may be.

[@theredcinder7437]

And we are suppose to like velma, the most hatable character on the show lol just shows the type of insufferable views and people that wrote this

[@silverbullet7691]

@@theredcinder7437 too true too true

[@LordDawnWreaver]

It's funny how often that happens... especially with shows like this.

[@TheSouloftheDragon]

You know, Velma's mom being apparently cool with locking a woman and her newborn out of the house (that her husband is presumably still paying for) makes her just a smidge... unlikable. Though Velma had to get it from somewhere.

[@yepsilon2898]

Velma's mom is almost as rude and spiteful as Velma. When sees Daphne come over to their house the first thing this GROWN WOMAN says to this teenage girl is, "I'm surprised. I thought you would have been the one to get knocked up instead of Velma." Like, excuse me, WHAT!?

[@mckenafountain6664]

I mean she quite literally left the family when Velma was a child because she couldn’t handle her behavior.

[@jendoe9436]

Probably because Sophie had the gaul to get pregnant and appreciate the baby and father, even if the circumstances weren’t the best. Sophie is who Velma’s mom wishes she could be: pretty, caring, nurturing, and loved by a decent guy. I have no doubt Amanda will grow up being a good person because Sophie herself is pretty wholesome.

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

I mean when the mom comes home, they trash the house to look "like it used to be" and it's also implied that Velma's mom drank...a lot. and it's also stated that when Sophie came in, she made the house look like a home.

[@jturner2577]

​@@jendoe9436 It would be so Ironic if she wound up like the actual Velma Dinkley we all know and love.

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

I really hated the ending where Velma locks Aman, Sophie, and her own half-sister out of their own home just so she and her mom could have it to themselves.

[@xord6286]

the secret ending is Velma and her mom die in an arson attack

[@viktoria_pikovsky]

Me too. That moment was the one that solidified my utter hate for Velma and her mom. Like, how heartless Velma can be towards her own baby sister?! For the entire episode she pretended that Amanda is her actual birth daughter, taking care of her and protecting her from harm, only to throw her away like rotten trash the moment it was revealed she is Sophie's kid and not hers. Dad cheating or not, the baby is still Velma's sister. Way to treat your baby sibling, am I right? And then can we talk about Diya (Velma's mom) kicking out her husband for supposed cheating? Lady, you were gone for 2 YEARS! Everyone presumed you dead by now. Did you really expected your (now Ex) husband to stay loyal to you for all those 2 years and not move on? Sure, the cheating was still a shit move, but Aman still started to date Sophie AFTER Diya's disappearance (and supposed death), so it's not like he cheated on his wife wile they were still together.

[@brandonlyon730]

@@viktoria_pikovsky It was also implied that Diya’s and Aman’s marriage was never a happy one to begin with, so it's not hard to imagine him moving on when she just ups and leaves.

[@viktoria_pikovsky]

@@brandonlyon730 Exactly. If to go by episode 9, with how Velma tried to make the house look how it was before Diya's disappearance, you can see that Diya didn't took care of the house AT ALL given that it suppose to look like a broken shack. And then there is all the abusive ways she treated her husband (and the implied abuse of Velma from episode 1). So it's no wonder Aman decided to move on with a different woman who treats him and his daughter well, and can actually take care of a house and later her newborn kid.

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

@@viktoria_pikovsky Well, she did drop the baby on several occasions.

[@Jok3st3r]

I don’t understand how anyone could like Norville. He’s awful to everyone who isn’t his parents or Velma. He’s the epitome of character assassination for Shaggy

[@lookingforlove839]

Oh yes, i hate that creep almost as much as Velma

[@Jok3st3r]

@@lookingforlove839 So many people who watch this show claim that Norville is the only decent character just because he always helps Velma. After the way he treated Gigi, talked down to Daphne when he was trying to learn how to be like her, and the fact that he even pushed a random kid off of the pier, just what about this character is “decent”?

[@nont18411]

True. He left Gigi to die to save Velma TWICE, hurt a little kid to gain Velma’s approval and KILLED FRED’S MOM to gain Velma’s approval again. If he can’t even respect himself, why should I respect him?

[@nont18411]

Also, you are wrong. He was awful to his parents. - He let Velma insulted his father for being a beta cuck. - He helped Velma falsified her grade which could get his mother fired if it backfired.

[@leonel392]

I liked him at first, I thought he was able to move in thanks to Gigi, yet this show just ruined him in such a way man... I dunno

[@JIreland1992]

How does it feel knowing you lived long enough to see a Scooby Doo character more reviled than Scrappy?

[@humblemarty]

Non-plussed but the memes making fun of this version of Velma are fire.

[@albatross4920]

Scooby fans:(Thanos voice)"perhaps we treated Scrappy to harshly..." 🥺

[@jturner2577]

​@@albatross4920 As well as Be Cool Scooby-Doo and Shaggy and Scooby-Doo get a Clue.

[@Sandux930]

i want scrappy back (T_T)

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

I always liked Scrappy.

[@peppyrobo7049]

A series about a young entitled rich boy Fred becoming the trap making bold crime fighting detective everyone knows him as today sounds like a much much better premise than whatever the hell Velma was.

[@nont18411]

That’s actually a story of Green Arrow.

[@theredcinder7437]

I could actually get behind that series, does velma even have character development in this show?

[@whoisyouranime]

Yeah, I hate Velma being mean to her stepmom. Even worse, she treats her half sister like crap when she lied to her mom saying the baby was hers. What a horrible human being. Also, I am so glad Gigi didn't become Scooby. Thank goodness.

[@harlannguyen4048]

Season 2 is on its way, so who knows what could happen.

[@psychotickitten4380]

And then norville is the who took care of Amanda

[@memsmoks4242]

Not going to lie but the step mom situation is pretty common in household but it does suck, but she obviously misses her mom and she feels as if her dad is completely cutting her mom off the picture. It doesn't give her right to hate on her Step mom

[@456loveluck]

Plot twist: the original velma wouldn't do that 😔

[@456loveluck]

​@@harlannguyen4048 season 2 yeaaa After season finale, the show cancelled

[@vermis8344]

_Still_ cannot believe that 'twerks over Fred's Mother's corpse' bit.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

And someone is still defending that because Fred's mom kidnapped Diya

[@TheAngryXenite]

What makes it worse is that everyone else has a completely understandable reaction. Norville is sick to the point of vomiting, Daphne is obviously trying to process the trauma of seeing a woman die so close that she is literally covered in blood, and Fred is both shocked and in grief that his mother has died, believing she was in fact an innocent victim in all of this... and Velma, unconcerned with the horror of her friends or the fact she is also coated in blood, starts twerking over the body while wearing a fucking depraved grin. Death penalty. Immediate execution. This girl is beyond salvation, kill it with fire.

[@renji90998]

This Velma is the true representation of an Anti-Sue. Who also believes she’s a Mary-Sue. Honestly, the “twist“ could’ve been better if Velma‘s mom was actually the killer. Like she hypnotized herself to maintain her innocence, and hypnotized Fred’s mom in order to make her a scapegoat.

[@jturner2577]

That would have actually been good writing.

[@estebangutierrez160]

Or at least have Fred's parents be the killers since it fits with Mindy stupid view of the world, Victoria doing the hypnotizing, Willam having to cut open the popular girl's head, Diya on to remove the brains, and all the clues would not only fit William's motives to make Fred run the business, but but it would also included Victoria.

[@patroclusilliad233]

Another reviewer made the point. Everyone is literally nicer, to each other and other people...when Velma is not involved. Even in the show she literally brings out the worse in people with her toxic nature.

[@jturner2577]

She's like a human version of the Evil Entity from Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated in that regard. Bringing out the worst in whoever she directly interacts with.

[@patroclusilliad233]

@@jturner2577 Didn't even think of that until you mentioned it, but yeah. Her very existence is poison to the soul.

[@jturner2577]

@@patroclusilliad233 That it is.

[@SkyDiamond158]

And somehow they made the whole crew fall in love with her

[@naminoble2375]

seriously, when daphne told Norville that she might have found her bio parents he was nice and interested about it, then Velma came in and ruined it

[@bliczb8772]

You know, I always find it hilarious how writers these days make a character that they want people to despise, but people end up feeling bad for them anyway.

[@firecrakerj3312]

Perfect case in point: The bully character from Miraculous Ladybug.

[@theycallmedaddy1307]

​@@firecrakerj3312 Perfect example. The main character is far more unlikeable to me since she does so many horrible things but get away with it. At least the bully receives punishment for her actions... Though she's basically a punching bag character at this point.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

And vice versa for the protagonist

[@bliczb8772]

@@cosmicspacething3474 Oh, absolutely. Most of the main characters in media right now is just repulsive, be it Velma, or She-Hulk - the list goes on. I can't remember who said it, but I recall the phrase "a good writing can tell you a lot about the character. Bad writing can tell you a lot about the writer". At the end of the day, characters like these and stories involving them are often reflection of the writer. Mostly because they're not shy about mentionig it's all self-insert.

[@judaihyuga]

I'm reminded of that Raquelle from the Barbie tv series, who was supposed to antagonistic and unpleasant, but just ended being everyone's favorite character because she was the single relatable character in the narrative.

[@PyraXadon]

That ending frame of Fred in the Beta Mystery Machine is just...so sad looking. That's the face of someone who's lost a lot and is trying to pick up whatever pieces he can find/get. You're telling me THIS is someone we're supposed to laugh at? This is the kind of person we're supposed to hate/disdain simply because of his apparent 'inherent' stature in the world? Kudos to the artist who drew that scene because it really speaks to how truly sad his situation is even if the writing refuses to frame it as such.

[@cocogoat2131]

These writers are so tone deaf. This is basically an extended version of the "New Guy" phenomena. Where a narcissistic writer tries to make someone out to be the stupid bad guy, but literally everyone thinks he is a sweet and wholesome guy, whereas the main character is the abusive bully. And it's scary how the writers don't see it. What kind of people are they IRL?

[@TheSpawnfan]

Velma could be killed by the villain of the first season and nobody would care, heck, some people would even rejoice and sing "The Witch is Dead" on her funeral.

[@BassiKun99]

Fred's mother should've killed everyone except Fred, Gigi and Sophie and her daughter. It would have made a better ending.

[@TheSpawnfan]

@@BassiKun99 She would have killed a drug pusher (Daphne the Not-Blake), a pathetic beta simp (Norville) and a despicable abuser (Velma), so, no losses there, but her target was Fred, so, he would have to be the one to kill her, with the help of Gigi to make it better. Fred's mom was wrong about him as he initiated a bussiness all on his own, that Velma will probably hijack from him in season 2. She is also a hypocrite as she secured a position of power and wealth by having sex with someone who had it, like a prostitute would do, no matter the mental gymnastics she does to justify it, she is in no position to judge anyone on how good they are running a bussiness, a failure as a mother, as a woman and as a human being in general

[@hokton8555]

@@BassiKun99 not just better - its the good ending

[@SkyDiamond158]

Her getting run over by the cop and everyone celebrating him is the closest thing we have

[@lumityviktuuristanartist4100]

​@Bassi-Kun 99 I would be happy if she did that and then kill herself, and Fred and giving become friends and shopie will live happily with her daughter

[@nont18411]

Norville wasn’t there for Gigi when she almost died from bee allergy while being there for Velma when she had multiple hallucinations. Norville abandoned Gigi when she needed him. Norville said that Daphne and his mom are hotter than Gigi. Norville saved Velma from a falling rock while leaving Gigi to die. That’s the reason I will never like Norville, because unlike Fred, he has no self-respect, no agency and he treats a person that loves him like shit for a bad person like Velma. P.S. Love that you only brought up Sophie, Gigi and Fred. That means we think the same thing that Norville doesn’t deserve better.

[@jturner2577]

Norville pre dating Gigi was okay. After Gigi became a main character he became a irredeemable monster

[@nont18411]

@@jturner2577 The moment he’s irredeemable for me was when he realized that Velma was bad for him, but then came back to save Velma again anyway just to end up killing Fred’s mom and cause himself to become a drug addict. I hate Norville more than Velma because at least, in case of Velma, we all know that she will never change for the better. Being a monster is who she is. But in case of Norville, the show baited us that he will change. He will respect himself. But then it threw his development out the window when he killed Fred’s mom to save Velma so that’s infuriating.

[@veraaurelis8931]

@@nont18411 But he didn’t really kill her on purpose? The bullet was coming at him and he deflected it. Plus he was puking when he saw the body, so he has some human feelings I guess.

[@MsAnimefan95]

I'm actually really mad that they cast Frank Welker as Fred's dad just to make him an abusive parent.

[@draykohunter6805]

Same 😔

[@Critter97]

Poor Frank Welker, in addition to watching one of his iconic characters getting butchered, he also voices his cruel abusive father.

[@Dave102693]

I actually loved Fred’s dad. He tried to deprogram him from like Velma.

[@seanagulan9481]

Great, they casted the legendary voice actor!

[@inkchariot6147]

@@seanagulan9481 They wasted his talent, you mean.

[@nanofate8662]

Honestly, Velma taking her issues out on Sophie really says a lot about her. Like I understand Amon, cause he IS a terrible father regardless of Velma not helping her case. But Sophie genuinely tried to be a positive figure in her life. Considering kicking them out came after realizing Norville was actually a swell person, you'd think she try to reconnect with her family more. I dunno, made me feel like Velma ended where she started with that single action.

[@pintyen]

fr like bro she saved her life and was actually kind to her

[@skylex157]

fred, dispite being a white male, still ended up appreciating women for who they are, be it old ladies with interests in art or literal brains, where all there is to appreciate is the personality, contrasting what for normal people would be a below 1 appearaence he was both totally incompetent at every level and an award winning athelete as demonstrated by all the trophies in his room, he is traumatized because he thinks her mom died while being possessed by a ghost and that her actions against him were not really her own it is almost hilarious how everything in the narrative is trying to point out how fred is absoutely irredeemable and self-centered asshole yet ends up being more likeable than the protagonist that receives all the benefits of the doubt and end up being right in all her hunches not because she is a genius investigator but because she is lucky how can you fuck things up this badly, how can you create a stereotype of the sources of all the evil in your worldview and then make it the most redeemable character in the whole show???

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Velma taught him to be more appreciative of women, yet she can’t do that herself…

[@TheAngryXenite]

"How can you create a stereotype of all the evil in your worldview and then make it the most redeemable character in the whole show?" Well, we know the answer, don't we? From the perspective of the ones responsible for this, Fred wasn't redeemable and his suffering was all well-deserved. Normal people would look at this and take from it a different message than the writers intended, which is a good part of why the show bares so much contempt for the audience. The reason why Mindy sympathizes with Velma so much is that she is just as shitty a person and doesn't understand why everyone else finds her beliefs reprehensible.

[@georgeprchal3924]

Yet she was wrong time and time again.

[@aloe7794]

Velma is just a case study of narcissism, and a good one at the top of that, given not only the way the main character treats everybody else, but also how every other character is portrayed to fit the narrative

[@javierramirez1805]

Guess Mindy and her droogs didn't plan that the poor souls who saw this trash fire would realize that Not Fred actually had an arc and you felt sorry for him. Also, the sheriff was the best character in the show. RIP you beautiful man

[@cosmicspacething3474]

You’re saying that only because the Sheriff ran over Velma, right? I don’t blame you.

[@javierramirez1805]

@@cosmicspacething3474 precisely. Best scene in that trainwreck for sure

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@javierramirez1805 Shame she lived though.

[@javierramirez1805]

@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 yup. Sad but true

[@trollmaster4523]

Usually creating a selfish flawed person as a main character is risky but offers great reward, examples are Kuzko from Emperor's New Groove, Stan Smith from American Dad and more, but usually those protagonists are designed to be funny and shows that despite their flaws and mistakes deep inside they just need some sort of push from the plot to change. But this version of Velma, isn't just flawed, this one is outright toxic, she's manipulative, a hypocritical mess, self absorbed inseparable so called genius (even if she's not) that caused everyone to hate her. Honestly I don't know if I find this version of Velma more disgusting than Malty of Shield Hero.

[@triggerfairy4070]

Malty is atleast an eye candy

[@draykohunter6805]

@@triggerfairy4070 true but even eye candy can get hard to look at if you know the inside is rotten

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Scott from Scott vs the world

[@nont18411]

Or Tony Stark from the MCU. He was selfish then he got blown up by his own weapon and had a life changing experience in Afghanistan, then he became a changed man, an Iron Man.

[@marcohidalgo1101]

@@draykohunter6805 Another great example of eye candy that is rotten on the inside is Gabby Dawson from Chicago Fire.

[@cutiewintersnowtorres2561]

Someone said in another Velma rant video. Scooby Doo was also about friendship. But this group isn’t friendship at all, it’s a cycle of toxic relationships.

[@UncensoredScion]

yeah that's bs about her mother being kidnapped, she went to Fred's house to find a present for her daughter who half blinded her ,drank her brandy I'm guessing and ruined her laptop. No amount of 'oh no she was kidnapped by this evil white woman' will make me believe that her mother left the home without the intention to leave the family behind as her daughter was the devil.

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

And honestly, if that was the angle they were going for, I would love that. Maybe the hallucinations were the truth Velma was trying to deny about her mom and after the whole thing, Velma just assumes everything will go back to the way it was before but Diya and Amon have to explain to her that no, they were basically divorced now and they weren't that happy in the marriage anyway. Velma tries to say that Sofia could just leave but Amon tells her no, he genuinely loves Sofie and they have a daughter now and Velma will just have to learn to accept the new normal. Velma then yells at her dad saying he never cared about them and probably got Victoria to kidnap Diya but her mother then tells the dark truth, she wasn't kidnapped she did just leave. She tells Velma she was tired of the life they had together and just wanted out and knew Amon would be able to take better care of her than she was and that she would move out immediately.

[@-_abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz_-]

​@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294That was what I thought would happen, the Velma serie is ruined beyond repair but an ending like that would have been better

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@-_abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz_- Yeah, but that expects too much from writers who think complaining about the fact a 15-year-old hasn't gone through puberty and using his learning disability has reasons to hate on and demean him is okay.

[@georgeprchal3924]

Velma: Where's my mom and why did she leave? Pigeon: Probably because she didn't want you anymore. There mystery solved!

[@supersunshine1023]

I still call bull that in ANY situation ever that a mother would be more okay with finding out her 15-year old had a baby than her husband having a baby lol

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

The problem with Velma is that it expects the audience to ride along with it's mean spirited nature while being completely unaware that there is no pay off for what's going on. Take a show like Aqua Teens; Shake is a complete and utter asshole who has been shown countless times to have no regards for anyone in the world but himself and will quickly abandoning and sell out his 'friends' if it benefits him yet despite all these massive and glaring flaws, Shake is genuinely hilarious and it's partly because of how outlandish he acts in the moment but also that his misdeeds come back on him constantly and even if they don't, they're so fucked that you don't care. Hell, there are some episodes where despite everyone knowing how terrible shake is, you actually feel the show goes too far in giving him karma and you want things to turn back around and he gets the upper hand. Another helpful part is that even within the show Meatwad and Frylock can be just as awful and stupid with Carl and other characters adding to the insanity. It works because the show is aware of how terrible and stupid it is and lets the audience enjoy it. Velma THINKS it's a lot smarter than it is and it's characters are a lot more 'mature' than they are when in reality they're dime a dozen, poorly written 'adult animated comedy' characters that are clearly aping off of other shows that have done it better like South Park, The Simpsons, Aqua Teens (again) and especially Rick and Morty. It tries to guide us to hate characters simply because the show hates them but it doesn't present an actual argument to justify it. While I ABSOLUTELY detest them using Fred as a soapbox for no reason, Sophie's treatment comes off as especiialy vile when you consider this show is supposed to be some sort of female empowerment shit but it feels so odd that Sophie, who not only is caring for her own child but cares for a loves Velma as her own daughter, is treated so badly. Is it because she's 'the other' or has weird, more feminine hobbies? Velma insults her as she is going into labor by implying that 'society made her have a baby' and it's like....what is the fucking deal? It comes off as if the show hates women who DO want to be mothers and as if motherhood isn't something that is close and endearing but a 'societaly pressure'. Well excuse fucking me then. Maybe someone could hop in a time machine and tell Mindy's mom that her choice of having her kids is just 'societal pressure' and then in the future this shit would never exist. 😐

[@draykohunter6805]

More and more we stray further from the path forward, as if entertainment's not only veering backwards but also somehow walking upside down At least in the West it seems few and far between

[@bliczb8772]

You say that, but... Mindy is a mother herself. She has children. Maybe... She detests the fact she went through pregnancy, and tries to desperately pinning it on society? Fuck if I know. Then again, she isn't the writer, but executive producer... Although half the production companies involved are her people, so... Eh, who knows. But if it is true... God, do I feel sorry for her kids.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

​@@bliczb8772 That's what makes it so...uncomfortable. Every 'statement' made in this show is so negative and comes off as someone who just hates the world in general and presents NORMAL THINGS as personal problems. Velma has said a lot of offputting things in the show but her telling Sophine that 'society made her have a baby' is like one of the biggest wtf moments. It's not even edgy. It's just so grating.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

@Saints Row The Badass Bro And she treated her husband better too yet she's a homewrecker.

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

Frankly I get sick of people like Mindy who do the whole “If you feel differently than I do about something, you’re being manipulated and/or you have ulterior motives!” bit. It’s not “empowering” or “liberating”; it’s pretentious and insulting. Can’t I just have my own tastes and viewpoints without being treated like some kind of sell-out?

[@jordanloux3883]

Don't forget Olive. She might just be the spoiled hot girl who likes to pick on others, but she comes by it honestly and actually has convictions she stands by without crossing any serious lines.

[@manuf0x444]

Honestly Gigi was such a cutie the entire show

[@WhiteRaven696]

Gigi, Sophie and Krista were the best characters and I’d like to see them elsewhere.

[@cjthetallpoet]

Did you like the sheriff?

[@brandonlyon730]

It's like Snap Dragon from High Guardian Spice, they all deserved to be on better shows.

[@mitchfletcher2386]

@@cjthetallpoet The sheriff was an acquired taste. Took a while to adjust to him, but he turned out to be okay.

[@Luxndr]

​@@brandonlyon730 and Amaryllis

[@pexie7755]

The sheriff needs a medal

[@MariaEduarda-ng1th]

It does tell a lot about your show when the character you want the audience to hate is the one they relate the most, and the character you want them to relate is the one they hate the most #JusticeForFred

[@VerdantRange]

Is it wrong to say my favorite characters in this are Fred and the sheriff for running over Velma?

[@Dave102693]

And Sophie

[@muddashucka9743]

No.

[@SkyDiamond158]

Nope. There’s multiple people who were sad the sheriff died

[@loupblanc7944]

Pfff of course not.

[@SkyDiamond158]

@Saints Row The Badass Bro yeah

[@JR1ckDoodles]

I never understood why Scrappy Doo was so hated. But this take on Velma makes Scrappy seem more tolerable.

[@jordanloux3883]

Scrappy made perfect sense as a character. Scooby and Shaggy are cowards, so they need someone to drag them into the mystery, and the fearless little kid they need to go save is a perfect way to fill that slot

[@Sneasler_Iz_Cool]

My dog who passed away was named after scrappy. I love scrappy but I know a lot of people think he’s annoying.

[@magina88]

what i 'learned' from velma: -if you're white, you bad and there is no redemption no matter how much you change -there is no room for love if you simping(simping>true love) -a homewrecker is forever a homewrecker(no matter the reason, it's not as if the family is already falling apart before she met another) -having a self insert means you get all the chicks and dudes P.S. all this are stupid takes and velma is a terrible show

[@TheGameianDark]

With Not Fred! It's the perfect example of "show, don't tell!" But very much unintentionally 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@flameking1325]

Fun thing about Fred's mom is that she says that Fred is incapable of running the business because he's spoiled. If that the case, it's clearly her fault, as a mother and a "Business Woman" she is the one who needs to prepare him for life and the company, but we she her put no effort into Fred and just writes him off because he's male.

[@MediaGhost_]

You know Sofie as a mom could have work since she could've been the mom that would be there for Velma and when the tension between Velmas parents come at the end of the season (Fighting, screaming, divorce threats, etc) Sofie could've been the one that Velma might needed help from considering she's a (Now?) Single mother who does love both her newborn daughter and her step-daughter

[@jturner2577]

That would actually made the show a tad interesting.

[@samuelademeso9041]

@@jturner2577 but then mindy kaling shit, do expect much out of it

[@BassiKun99]

Your words sum everything up so well. Sophie ended up becoming the only character I really cared for (Gigi and Fred were close but didn't quite reach the status imo) merely because of how much Velma mistreated and mocked her, even when she tried to be nice to her. She got rewarded with nothing but disdain and even was kicked out of her own house along with her baby. Honestly, Gigi and Sophie could benefit from appearing in another series that is not Velma.

[@jturner2577]

Agreed or transported to a different earth in the Scooby-Doo Multiverse.

[@nont18411]

Not to mention that Sophie saved Velma’s life too.

[@jturner2577]

​@@nont18411 Exactly although she likely regrets doing so in hindsight.

[@commonsense5199]

My Mind still boggling the fact the Daphne feels wanted because Velma's Possessiveness instead of her own moms who raised her. Seriously Daphne Prefers Velma's toxicity over her mothers' love?

[@jturner2577]

This Daphne has Stockholm Snydrome.

[@Dave102693]

Yup

[@hellfoxwolf14]

Fred is...surprisingly the most developed character in this show from hell.

[@spectralknightgaming8364]

Honestly to the show was cruel to Fred is an understatement not only was he the button of every joke but *AFTER* he got shot in both legs and wrongly accused of murder Velma straight up humiliates him during in his trial *RESULTING* in him getting sent to prison in the first place

[@kh3sora]

The show is just the middle finger to the Scooby-Doo franchise and could possibly killing the ip in the process

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Luckily Scooby isn’t in this show therefore I think the IP is safe

[@jturner2577]

The IP has been dying ever since Mystery Incorporated ending. First while Be Cool Scooby-Doo was pretty good, the art style was terrible and apparently was close to being worse. Secondly not informing the current voice actors they were not gonna be part of the Scoob movie. And finally attempting to retcon 2 of the most loved entries in the entire franchise, 13 Ghosts and Zombie Island. How WB thought that last thing would go over well, I have no idea.

[@samflood5631]

I feel so bad for Velma’s stepmother. She has done everything to be close to Velma, and she repays her with selfishness, criticism and neglect. And to add insult to injury, Velma kicks out Sophie and her daughter out of the house in favor of her real mother. Why are we rooting for Velma again?

[@BillyWiccanHex]

Funny how they try to make people like Velma and hate Fred but the opposite happens.

[@petervizzini4006]

Its a trend in woke media

[@TheAngryXenite]

Well, you see, when you are yourself a horrible person that is painful to deal with, your understanding of what makes characters likeable versus unlikable tends to be skewed.

[@tsunekune5753]

God, I have not watched the rest of Velma but the part with Sophie and Fred pissed me off. The father thought that his wife left them possibly due to a struggling marriage and a few flashbacks of Velma mistreating her mother. You think that when the mother sees him with Sophie, she may think both of them can finally go their separate ways while keeping in touch with each other or at least talk but no, Sophie has to act as the "home wreaker" and gets kicked out of the house with a baby in her arms. Call me an old geezer for preferring the previous Scooby-Doo shows but Fred is the one who comes up with a plan and starts an investigation, mainly the leader of the group but in this show, they made him a bumbling idiot with the purpose of "Thorndyke/Batman/Kyle syndrome" or "He's rich and all that. We don't like that so we're going to hate and make fun of him for being rich because he should only be an stereotypical arrogant turd as a justification." Yet they made him sympathetic due to his family and what happened to his mom.

[@Mana7Origin]

You know, with Velma's mom the house was a trash can while with Sophie, it's the opposite. So... Maybe the real homewrecker isn't the new wife. As for Fred, it's the same for Sophie. In their attempts to paint someone as evil, the makers of the show have shown their true nature by depicting victims as evil.

[@nont18411]

@@Mana7Origin Sometimes, the home needs to be wrecked if it’s a dumpster fire in a first place. Sophie did home a favor.

[@dragonborn7955]

I wish this was written off as a tax right off.

[@jturner2577]

I think the majority of us do.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Out of all the shows that WEREN’T…

[@Dave102693]

I wish this show was a tax write down

[@indigokozy9251]

I wish I could say "well at least Fred and Gigi are free to move on." But nope, second season about to come and stop Fred from quietly driving off into the sunset. This show is a seething ball of contempt that thrived on misery.

[@christianellegaard7120]

"At least she didn't get her brain removed..." Don't worry, there is still S2. My money is still on her becoming Scooby.

[@jturner2577]

Wouldn't be surprised at all.

[@daphire7602]

Where do I go to sign up I bet that also happens 😒🧐

[@loupblanc7944]

Oh God no.

[@KingOrest]

If Mindy didn’t pitch her terribly written animated series to Netflix, I’m surprised. If she did and Netflix didn’t green light it, I’m surprised.

[@_PannieCake_]

I really loved Fred's arch. It's too bad that they kept trying to paint him as the moron when he showed throughout the series that he was intelligent....

[@shadowking9739]

Norville's dad deserved better too. All he does is try to help people and be supportive but his wife and other characters constantly put him down and make fun of him for being a school psychiatrist and a beta male

[@jordanloux3883]

Also doesn't change the fact that Daphne apparently sees him on a daily basis, so clearly he's doing something right.

[@AoiBlu4]

"School psychiatrist are lIkE tHe lOwEsT fOrM oF therapy." - Velma the Unlikable

[@jturner2577]

1:10 It would be poetic Justice if Amanda did end up like Velma but a kinder, more considerate, emphatic,compassionate and Intelligent version of her. A genuinely good person.

[@nont18411]

So, nothing like Velma.

[@jturner2577]

​@@nont18411 Not this Velma. Something like if not a carbon copy of A Pup named Scooby-Doo's Velma.

[@nont18411]

@@jturner2577 or Linda Cardellini’s Velma.

[@jturner2577]

@@nont18411 That too.

[@georgeprchal3924]

Or competent. And her parents actually like her.

[@imperialseiryu6989]

I think this isn't Velma , it's a clone made by her mom. The real Velma is tied up and gagged in a basement somewhere.

[@hanushelatifi7561]

Yes. We must save the real velma!

[@kenziehopeanne5727]

With how much emphasis is put on velma's complicated "love life", I have a bad feeling that the writers are planning to force the mystery Inc gang into a polygamous relationship by the end of the series.

[@jturner2577]

I have no problem with polygamous relationships but this version of Mystery Inc are not compatible for it to be a healthy relationship.

[@EveTheRaviolo]

there would be nothing bad about a poly relationship, the issue here is how toxic and awful everyone is to each others

[@jturner2577]

@@EveTheRaviolo Exactly.

[@liamdenise246]

I like to think this happened after season 1: -Velma was charged with illegally locking her dad the house payer and owner and Sophie out the house, she tried to use her usual racism arguement but it failed and now she's not trusted with her own house key until she earns back trust, plus kidnapping Sophies baby. - Norville moves on, and fully appreciates Giji, his new school makes him very happy and he's able to become quite popular with his "nerdy" setpieces. -Fred with no parents left and just his van makes his way into the real world, he ends up learning trap making and engineering, not requiring as much brains, and becomes sucessfull enough. -Daphne gets done for drug dealing.

[@deaddok999]

I would like for this to be season 2

[@hellfoxwolf14]

How about we........................Make there be a twist where that's not the real Velma? She's an impostor that took her place & the real Velma is somewhere else.

[@cloed0ll]

I honestly hated what they did to Sophie. Literally not cool

[@choxomoxxo565]

Like imagine being put in Sophies situation, you're trying your best to raise a family with the man you love but you're constantly being treated like you aren't welcome in the house like bro

[@staydetermined6717]

Why isn’t Gigi the protag of a show like damn, imagine a spin-off where Gigi is the protag very unlikely but still

[@Channeleven2345789]

Anyone wanna bet that if the second season does happen, Velma would put Gigi's brain into a dog's body?

[@Dave102693]

Idk, that’s sus tbh.

[@jaydraws4881]

I wouldn't put it past her to do it but god I hope not.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

You know would suck? I have a feeling Velma's mom was going to be the killer, but they changed it. Does anyone think the writers were going to have Gigi as Scoobi but they changed it because it became a popular theory at the last minute?

[@Channeleven2345789]

@@Saltedroastedcaramel My guess is they changed it because they wanted to make the second season really pop, if you know what I mean.

[@silvertongue.242_99]

I feel more for Fred in this whole series and wish him the best since everyone makes his life worse. He would be better with the right guidance and he lost his mom too

[@nicklatallade9344]

Taking away Sophie’s baby, burning her stuff and smashing her baby’s crib, what the f*** is wrong with her?! Velma generally does deserve more credit since she is the brains of the operation but not this one!

[@devenvandyke1114]

Fred In this show reminds me of santa from the woke elf show where they tried to make him a villan and hated charecter but failed misreably by making him the most likeable charecter.

[@alissaoldham7128]

I feel really bad for Fred and Gigi in this series

[@devinjones1527]

In that ending scene in the finale, I kinda thought other people would bring it up but idt anyone has yet, but I find it very interesting that the animators chose to have Velma repeatedly whapping the bejeezus out of Fred with the key, but he is literally just flinching. He's not trying to hit anyone. Norville and Daphne are doing their own thing sort of duking it out with each other I guess,, I'm not gonna comment on "The Black Guy" being shown basically beating a woman, on top of the other stereotypes norville was reduced to... but idk if this was intentional at all but it was def a conscious choice that Fred has one looped animation in that scene, and it's just him cowering under the blows Velma is dishing out. He could be swinging back, but he isn't. Its almost like a representation of the shows writing. Also, "shush! A feminist is speaking!" unironically made me laugh, I actually love Fred.

[@nont18411]

Ah yes, the only white main character that everyone supposed to hate somehow is the only one who doesn’t hurt people.

[@randomthings9215]

While I didn't like Norville I feel like he deserved better than Velma. He had so much going for him when he decided to get over Velma with Gigi and I was so upset that he still ended being obsessed with Velma. Then he finally called her out on her bs and I was like "YES! TELL HER NORVILLE!" only for him to run back to Velma after a voice-mail. It was so disappointing. Norville could've been more than just guy in love with Velma and I hate how they just kept him in that spot even after giving him a chance to not be that.

[@jakomioftherose2434]

I had a crush on Velma when I was a kid. This show killed that crush. Great work, Mindy.

[@joedevil29]

I'm scared that this got confirmed for a season 2 for one reason and one reason alone . . . it gives them a chance to royally fuck up Scooby by adding him to the show.

[@madhatterzake3871]

If the other Velmas found out about her, she would not last a day.

[@Transparente64]

Gigi is definitely a better girlfriend and character than Velma, and she also have a better fashion style.

[@jturner2577]

The Velma universe honestly deserves to be devoured by something like the Evil Entity from Mystery Incorporated. With the only survivors being Sophie, Amanda, Gigi, Fred, and Norville's Dad. Maybe Aman and Norville too but only if they cut off a finger or something like that.

[@Tsubahi]

I think the creator who did this Velma still has issues from his high school days - and I don't blame him. 😐

[@cosmicspacething3474]

If you think about it, Gigi from inside Job actually has some things in common with this Gigi. So she actually kinda did get into a better show. Unfortunately that show was canned as a tax write off like this one should’ve been.

[@jturner2577]

Yep.

[@PlsHelpMeImDumb]

I love how they wanted us to hate Fred and yet he turned out to be the best and the most complex character in the show

[@staydetermined6717]

Unfortunately Theres a season 2 so curious on how Gigi, Velma’s fam will be handled hope they are treated better, like Velma’s dad disowns her for example

[@jroberts8434]

You really have to love how in her haste to make the white guy look bad, she actually made him compelling and sympathetic

[@seancarroll136]

By how much evil and sadism Fred was given by the “protagonists” and his own flesh and blood!!? I think Fred and The Mystery Machine are a always meant for each other since the van had it worse, except it shows and you feel sympathy for this innocent vehicle for doing nothing wrong but be ordinary (unlike fake Jen from She-Fake). That is a forbidden romancric mystery solving story I’d rather watch.

[@DogmaBeoulve]

J is such a darling for soldiering through this horrible show for us

[@greenkoopa]

I think what they did to Shaggy is the most crushing aspect. I like the redesign, and he could totally be a black guy. With his (original) personality he could be either white or black but I can't see it working with another race. Shaggy is dude that loves his dog and food, women fall for him but he either doesn't notice or would just rather not. I have loved Scooby-Doo since I was like 2, my dad looked like Shaggy now I do. My son could've been proud to look like Norville but he sucks so bad...who would want to be him?

[@jturner2577]

Shaggy is a chick magnet just by being himself.

[@greenkoopa]

@@jturner2577 yes

[@TheNenDen]

It’s weird that the character that happened to get most development and intriguing background (Fred) is supposed to be one of the most hated characters

[@robertespinoza6489]

It really ironic, that Velma turned into the worse character on the show. She wants Fred to be in prison just for being a rich kid.

[@jerm-gv9rv]

You’d think but it actually makes sense when given the creator, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intentional

[@hisshoota]

I love how the best characters are the ones that are supposed to be the 'bad' ones.

[@joseroman5084]

If I could give a suggestion? Don't torture yourself with the second season of this nightmare that is Velma!?

[@Salamander128]

Yeah, no one deserves such torture.

[@chunkykong8683]

Ha ha! Velma Kong angry In this thumbnail! >;D Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Gig and maybe a handful of decent other might be retooled In the usual Scooby Direct-To-DVD Sequel for the whole "Velma Finds A Girlfriend" Ark outside of Coco being her main choice!

[@cjthetallpoet]

That sounds like a great idea 😄

[@level20eevee75]

me: reads title. me thinking in my head: everybody deserves better treatment then velma.

[@Paxchi]

"Were there any characters you thought deserved better?" I'm stretching the term 'character' here, but I'd say: us. Every single one of us deserved better. But especially J.

[@XC11301991]

Stuff like Infinity Train died for this, that's the worse part.

[@jturner2577]

At least Infinity Train wasn't a Tax Write-Off so it could come back with no hoops to jump through.

[@happynihilist2573]

Even this show has a few nuggets of ... silver that, if you clen the awful around them and the awful forced in them, can give something decent Fred in particular: he's abusive parents, the way he actually sticks up for Velma at the start of the show, how everyone is mean to him These are things you'd see in good show about how "being born reach doesn't garte a better, happier life" but instead in this show isn't even aware of it cuz that would require the showing respect to their characters and the writers of this show seems to only respect their own ego

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Okay, that heart sandwich thing with Norville and Gigi was cute.

[@gamingmoth4542]

I think that Sheriff Cogburn was a pretty fun character too. But of course, the best part about him as a character is that he alway one ups Velma in just about every scene the pair take place in. Since Velma herself is such a vial human being, it is entertaining to watch her getting bested by a straight while male who’s also an authority figure (it’s basically what she deserves). Perhaps he’s best kept in this series since in any other media he would just come off as kinda cocky, arrogant and misogynistic.

[@TorridPrime217]

Anyone remember when kids used to either write stories or project themselves onto stories where the heroes were horrifically abused by cartoonishly evil parental figures? And we all rolled our eyes at those people, because most of them were obviously exaggerating how awful their home lives actually were? Its really weird and confusing how, nowadays, those kinds of claims are still made, but now so little effort has been put into the 'abusers' looking bad, that they actually come off as the more reasonable people, while the 'heroes' come across as the true bad guys. What's so confusing about this is that it basically exposes the entitlement and weak character of those same kids who wined over nothing, yet now those same kids have grown up and failed to portray their parents as the monsters they've always insisted they were. You COULD say that this is just another example of them saying the quiet part out loud, but I'm still scratching my head over why they all seem to be passing on the opportunity to exaggerate already fictional characters in what's already venting sessions. I guess they are basically mostly low-IQ, but its still very weird

[@bliczb8772]

What's the best way I can explain it... Think of it as "overconfidence steeming from experience". And I don't mean actual experience as the one that makes you better at things, it's more so referring to the time they spent in here. First, you take precautions - change names and looks here, circumstances there. Events are different, maybe unrelated. And for some reason, it works. It works once, twice, third time is the charm. After a while, you're starting to get comfortable. You think you won't get caught. So you start trying less. You don't look over your shoulder anymore, you take less and less precautions anymore, because thus far, nobody called you out, why should they now?

[@jeremyallen5974]

Which is why I still say Stella had every right to bitch Stolas out in Helluva Boss. At least until the Striker episode rolled around and she immediately jumped to hiring an assassin to blow his head off, anyways

[@journeymanX]

"Writers": let's make our mc strong,witty,clever but also snarky,meta and relateable while everyone else around her is a d-bag causing her misery throughout her story arc Viewers: your mc is a toxic loser while everyone around her deserves better

[@bunnywithakeyboard7628]

Someone out there named their dog Scooby years back, and that dog deserved better than this show.

[@kelpietales4503]

This sounds like Nu-Ra and Kyle again, who was suppose to be a punching bag representing white, blond male heroes they didn't like and turned out to be one of the more sympathetic and heroic characters. From what I've seen even the typical Mean Popular Girls weren't that bad and at least called Velma out on her BS and helped thier Brain-in-a-Jar friends adapt. Even rightfully kick Daphne out of their friend group for leaving the brains to die.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

To be honest Norville kinda deserved better too. It was Velma who made him so reliant on her.

[@Steven-bx8gt]

When you think of it, "Velma" just ruin the main cast lives. Fred is probably homeless now, Norville might be doing drugs, and Daphne lost here social statues at school. All for "Velma" to have her mom even though she did nothing to solve the mystery

[@fandemusique4693]

​@Saints Row The Badass Bro yeah. Although, it also make Daphne alone, despite the 180 of the other popular girls late in the story, they were far better friends then Velma, and not only Daphne lost them, but velma used her and left her emotionally hurt. Still not as bad as the others, but more then simply petty popularity.

[@helloiwanttootakeoverthewo3217]

Sophie and gigi where pretty well written characters and I feel bad for them for being in this nonsense.

[@Wuubaboo]

Velma was a monster in the show she ruins everyone’s lives