[MKW TAS] New Ultra Shortcut on DS Peach Gardens

• [MKWii TAS] DS Peach G...
Special thanks to everyone who helped make this glitch a reality:
-I spent a lot of time talking with Ejay ( / @ejayb ) and Justin ( / @justin3055 ) about making the glitch work, especially making it faster in a flap
-Charlie ( / @charl1e ) was the first one to show that it was even possible to reach 0 roll speed through repeated wheelies.
Ben ( / @mkwiiben ) also got this, and him sending me his ghost helped me partially understand how it works, in addition to motivating me to work more on the ultra (Specifically, I learned that your roll speed never actually reaches exactly 0 during the wheelies, but instead jumps from ~0.00000x (this is a floating point value so there's a lot more digits than I typed out) down to exactly 0 after about a second of being upside down. I honestly have no idea why this happens, or why it's so hard to get it to happen. Not to mention the fact that it's increasing right before it jumps to 0?? Your z rotation itself doesn't even reach 0, like wtf. in this case it was stationary at like 0.01)
-Malleo ( / shwamalleomk ) made a custom info display script that let me monitor my roll speed, which helped a lot while I was working on the setup and trying to understand the glitch
I honestly can't believe this actually worked. Seeing this tech finally have a use on a nintendo track is just so cool. I keep thinking we must be getting to a point where big discoveries are gonna start slowing down but they just keep happening :o
Some other questions you may have:
Couldn't you just jump off around the finish line?
-For years now that's been the main idea for getting this ultra, but it just doesn't seem possible. The finish line just extends way too far out. How weird is it that they made the finish line go miles out on this track, but on tracks like wgm and rsl it hardly even extends out past the road??
How were you able to maintain your barrel roll without constantly doing wheelies?
-Normally barrel rolls cancel when both of your wheels touch the ground, but since I'm driving on the edge of the road, my wheels aren't actually touching the ground
Why did you have to get the barrel roll when you were already inside the wall?
-In addition to having a speed cap of 15, barrel rolls will also instantly cancel if you're ever in the air for 20 or more frames. So there's really no way to get out of bounds if you already have one
Could you respawn closer to the finish line?
-With a different setup, probably. I didn't spend too long optimizing the flap or looking for strats since there's probably gonna be a bigger collab tas some time in the future
Is this viable for a 3lap tas?
-Maybe. More testing still needs to be done on that. being limited to 15 speed for so long kinda sucks u_u
Is this rta viable?
-lol

[@09cf]

thought I'd pin a comment to explain something: obviously for a full race this is currently slower, but the important thing here that makes it a shortcut is that it at least beats the individual lap (also known as fast lap or flap) tas bkt, which was a 36.935 before this. it's not the only flap-only ultra either, as rSGB, rBC3, and rMR are also limited to flap runs for now. it's a pretty easy mistake to make, considering the flap category isn't nearly as intuitive as 3lap not to mention, it's not entirely out of the question that a faster glitch entry could make this viable for a 3lap tas :0

[@soulguibo]

What is rSGB, rBC3 and rMR?

[@tubiek]

Magstersnoyl gba shy guy beach, gba bowser castle 3, and n64 mario raceway the r stands for retro

[@soulguibo]

@@tubiek ah! I didn’t know people abbreviated the raceways

[@uhave8562]

I can understand that but if you’re going for precise movement in grass why did u use the torpedo instead of the phantom

[@willORL]

Is this possible in RTA? I know the wallclip and barrel roll are, but the movement seems a lot like Mario Raceway which no one sees happening anytime soon...

[@carterbrown2441]

Summoning Salt history of Ultra Shortcut Pt. 3 is going to be crazy

[@pannonefamily3606]

Yes

[@superkatz5381]

Yes lol

[@Rextingz]

I think he'll have to put it out in 2 months at this pace

[@pinheadlarry7335]

@@Rextingz hopefully he waits a year for an action packed episode

[@bakeymykakey]

Oh I didn’t know there has been a part 2 better check that out now!

[@Newt2799]

"Mom I saw Funky Kong doing strange things in the flowerbed"

[@MilkIsTheOne]

He is trying to be funky!

[@aramkimodo]

*N O W I T S T I M E T O G E T F U N K Y*

[@firehood9426]

Sus

[@thebenwilbert]

Yeah yeah very nice sweetie now go back to sleep

[@ZaSpear]

When I first clipped into the hedge ten years ago I remember analyzing all the planes and concluding this track will never be broken. But I'm happy to be proven wrong by whatever just happened, lmao. Nice work everyone involved!

[@jonnybro4517]

Oh my gosh dude I remember you used to have a bowser’s castle WR years and years ago. It was back before all the time trial ghosts were replaced with hackers on the original Nintendo servers. My brothers and I would always try to do the shortcut but we could never ever get it. That ghost of yours was the reason I got into mkwii

[@ZaSpear]

@@jonnybro4517 Love hearing comments like this. Glad I could serve as some sort of inspiration!

[@luckytyphlosion9910]

@@ZaSpear DS Peach Gardens won't glitch

[@spimbles]

luckytyphlosion ...what? im genuinely confused, did you watch the video?

[@luckytyphlosion9910]

@@spimbles search what I posted on youtube

[@5MadMovieMakers]

When your wheels are allergic to flowers

[@FLX_AU]

Lol what are you doing here?

[@ghazt9702]

Uh yeh

[@pierre-mkwii9617]

Nice one! 😂

[@birdieboy02]

interesting

[@ghazt9702]

Lol

[@EjayB]

Easily the most complex shortcut ever pulled off in this game... I can't believe it even turned out to be possible. Amazing work!!

[@Flamingpaper0]

You're going to look like a fool in 2022 when we discover the Moo Moo Meadows Ultra

[@spartanretro]

This makes the Rainbow Road ultra look easy. It has about as much practicality as Shy Guy Beach

[@MarioKart8Madness]

@@Flamingpaper0 you’re going to look like a fool in 2025 when we find the SNES battle course 4 ultra

[@arivedal]

@@Flamingpaper0 theoretically, though, could a moo moo meadows ultra be pulled off with these same upside down driving shenanigans?

[@sagapz]

@@arivedal gl getting out of bounds

[@Hugomk]

we need a netflix documentary at this point

[@Hugomk]

he's the reason why I made this comment

[@kleanx8696]

There ain’t enough room for the two of us in this community Kleenex

[@Hugomk]

you'll be missed

[@pointlesslylukesplainingpo1200]

@@kleanx8696 i vote for kleanex22 to be voted out

[@kleanx8696]

@@pointlesslylukesplainingpo1200 facts

[@TASSnoop]

You are a fucking legend. This might be one of the craziest ultras ever found

[@09cf]

ty snoop :)

[@aos_mkwii]

or is that rmr?

[@TASSnoop]

@@aos_mkwii nah, rmr doesnt require you to drive upside down lol

[@xct8129]

R u the physcopath from the words of SS?

[@jimiyu.]

@@xct8129 yep

[@BrodyMK64]

This is crazy. Can’t wait for Justin to pull it off later today.

[@Gabriel2005Gaming]

LOL

[@via_embre]

this showed up in my recommended and i know nothing about mariokart wii speedruns, i'm assuming justin is an extremely prominent figure in the mkwii community?

[@BrodyMK64]

@@via_embre yeah he is, he's known for hitting the craziest glitches

[@aos_mkwii]

@@BrodyMK64 he doesn't have the caliber to pull such an insane glitch(with this particular setup)

[@brandytweak7342]

@@aos_mkwii neither you do, and neither anyone does. this is currently humanly undoable, and we'll see if that ever changes.

[@ragsdale5028]

I heard someone say "Ultras are getting harder to find, which is why they become more and more obscure" Well this one is so obscure it should have never been found Gg 👏

[@doctordothraki4378]

"Did you get a 22 second lap?" "Yes" "What did it cost" "My other laps"

[@tubiek]

when he got to the finish line i thought you would just clip the finish line or smth and go left oh my god i was so wrong

[@CHARL1E]

This ultra is just insane and makes barely any sense... yet it works. You are a legend to get this to work

[@iP0STcomments]

“is this rta viable? lol” give it 2 weeks

[@brandytweak7342]

bad joke

[@vibby1004]

@@brandytweak7342 shut up

[@brandytweak7342]

@@vibby1004 haha

[@g.williams2047]

In a few weeks you'll be able to do this in about 10 seconds, totally breaking the track lol.

[@brandytweak7342]

@@g.williams2047 lmao no way that'll happen, this is super complex

[@OrangeTheYoshi]

This is no doubt the most technical ultra shortcut even done in this game. Amazing work!

[@MkwiiBen]

Ds peach gardens has definitely been the track I wanted glitch. Glad it finally is with the craziest strats lol Also glad I could do something useful

[@heckbrother8242]

But then something amazing happened. On March 10th, 2021, Mario day, a player by the name cf did the unthinkable. You remember the barrel roll, right? On Peach Gardens, Cf took it to the next level, and turned the car completely upside-down because the game only cares about where the wheels are. Doing that, he could easily hit the 7th checkpoint and drive up to the finish line to count the lap.

[@ancient_gaming]

Summoning Salt: "Interesting..." *does 90 minute documentary on this ultra*

[@Starstrike21]

damn, that’s ridiculous - can’t believe i’m still getting surprised by this game

[@scoopdwoop7662]

i honestly thought koopa cape would be the last one, yet here we are

[@yukko_parra]

imagine another shortcut

[@MKWahPhil]

There is still going to be new ultra shortcuts in the future. 100 percent. Everything is possible with such a crazy community. For example people seem to get close to find a new ultra on Luigi Circuit.

[@cryptimation3991]

They will probably eventually find one for every level, and then maybe even find a second one for that level. I also think that eventually every level will have humanly possible ultra shortcut

[@cabledjmm]

Lol the spear being upside down is the best part. Nice find!

[@ardabaki4597]

I think the : " you must be in a special state that makes your z axis exactly at zero ......" thing should become a shitpost among the mkwii fandom because it sounds so obscure yet understandable. Its like the grape surgery thing. I think it would be nice

[@fyyyyyynnn447]

Since november almost one ultra shortcut progression per month!

[@JGB_iw]

what the FUCKING FUCK never thought what ejay found in that vs race would actually be replicable in a tt lol. huge shoutouts to not just charlie for this amazing discovery but also everyone else for their combined efforts on making the craziest ultra in the game happen yet. this really is beyond impressive :) congratulations! 👷‍♀️♥

[@aos_mkwii]

what happened to ejay in that vs race?

[@iansymonds8155]

What the other guy said

[@Ezonater]

Congrats, this looks awesome! Summoning salt must be shaking in his boots at this point

[@MarioCarter]

I knew this track would get one some day

[@MarioKart8Madness]

good to see you here

[@Tea_Eddie]

Years and years of tech and planning lead up to this, I can't believe how far this damn game got, amazing. This is by far the most complex ultra shortcut I have ever seen.

[@vibby1004]

Anyone who thinks this is rta viable is crazy also huge congrats cf!

[@brandytweak7342]

they just can't realize the sheer inhuman precision of the inputs required for this lol

[@cannicole]

Things like these prove how many awesome people we have in the community right now. You guys have really changed the past few years of Mario Kart Wii with all these crazy ultras. I can already tell how legendary the next Summoning Salt video is gonna be, great job to everyone involved!

[@Pixelcraftian]

Good job! 👍

[@Oliver-b7j]

@Summoning Salt

[@yolancohen]

I literally before opening KZbin though that would be cool if someone finds a new ultra shortcut... This game is insane

[@williamn3070]

2 days later: Justin: Imma just snap a "free" world record.

[@puff-jiggly-puffgames5076]

Peace Garden is one of my favorite tracks and I was amazed by watching this! It the TAS must’ve been fun to make! I loved every second of this video.

[@puff-jiggly-puffgames5076]

Peach, not Peace. XD

[@jackclifton5434]

I swear my first thought when I saw the name of this video was “wait is it April fools” but it’s March 10th lol. congrats this is dope

[@LyTeStorm]

Great job I never would’ve thought this course could be broken like this you’re a legend

[@empusallen]

You are insane. After so long of thinking there would never be a ultra for Peach Garden, someone finally did it. Congrats on finding this!

[@ancientmkw]

wow, this is an amazing achievement. I remember trying to get the barrel roll to work and never being able to reach 0 vehicle speed. it's insane you were even able to do that without the Tiny Titan, and even more insane that you pulled off the ultra? I'm actually super happy this is faster for flap, I was beginning to get worried it wouldn't be faster haha

[@joelabner0611]

HECK YEAH! I love it when a new ultra is found! Great job dude!

[@jimiyu.]

Now that we have a ultra sc where you drive upside down I can't wait for when an ultra sc requires you to wrong warp to a different teack

[@eternalstar4352]

I was wondering when an Ultra Shortcut would be found in DS Prach Gardens. Man, it looks complicated. Amazing job getting it to work!

[@worldsboss]

I knew something had to be possible here 😁 This has to be one of the most convoluted ultras yet - absolutely amazing find!!

[@_4nt_]

me seeing this video on my recommended: oh cool a new ultra! me after watching it: 😦

[@SteeredBeast]

These barrel roll implementations are crazy, great work

[@wutxanfel5350]

The fact that new MKW ultra shortcuts are still discovered in 2021 mesmerizes me, amazing

[@GRAY32X]

amazing work!! this is insane!!!

[@loganpause4517]

This community never ceases to impress me. This was honestly the most complex ultra shortcut I’ve ever seen.

[@Darklordd123]

Wow! A new ultra that saves -2:44 ! Incredible!

[@2005-toyota-corolla]

2021 has been INSANE! Keep it up!

[@JosepiThe13th]

One step closer to breaking every track in MKWii. Keep up the good work TASers :)

[@MKWahPhil]

We're almost at 20 tracks. Let's go TAS community! :D

[@kale2741]

Holy crap, you're amazing for finding this! Guess summoning salt has some work to do lol :D

[@JediJess1]

Seems like a cool Individual Lap Record trick! Cool!

[@nobody5287]

Funky has to turn upside down so he can observe the flowers better

[@alphadunk762]

Epic

[@lukw1]

I looked away for a second to read the comments and this guy is upside down lmao

[@heyitsmort7744]

This is so sick! Thanks for the captions!

[@Rukir]

I like to imagine that when ridiculous ultra shortcuts actually have a lap count it's just Lakitu saying "oh my god FINE take your lap count and GET OUT ALREADY"

[@v0m1t39]

This video needs to get way more recognised

[@chef6986]

Agreed, I love it when other people find mkwii shortcuts

[@beunjoris]

Summoning Salt in 2022 On March 10th, 2021, cf uploaded a new ultra shortcut for DS Peach Gardens. It involved .... ... he put a Q&A in the description ''Is this rta viable? -lol'' Then on October 23rd, runner (name) came along and did this.

[@winbag468]

An intended glitch if I’ve ever seen one

[@MkwiiBen]

lol yup

[@MKWahPhil]

I'm going to Summoning Salt's ultra shortcut revolution now...

[@Shaunss]

I have no idea how you would even come up with this routing, this so beyond impressive

[@tacticalslyme]

Justin is the definition of precision and simplicity

[@TheNeneor]

Absolutely AMAZING.🤯 Another track has been broken

[@Kierio04]

Congrats on 1K subscribers!

[@vitreus0359]

A word to describe the day every track gets a UC: Y E S

[@regomors40]

It's crazy how the barrel roll, once a simply fun mechanic, is now relevant to shortcuts.

[@gloomxd2204]

cant believe funky didnt crack his glasses after driving on his head for so long

[@matt_rblx]

Nice job! I really think every track could have an ultra shortcut. Please hope for an RTA flap.

[@xxtremmewizard1001]

2 minutes in I literally thought this was a prank video based on how contrived the setup was lol

[@FunAnimator]

Summoning Salt: I n t e r e s t i n g

[@Just-View]

2021 is looking to be a great year for MKW ultra-shortcuts!

[@MKWahPhil]

It's already a great year. There is one new ultra shortcut and 3 ultra shortcuts have been pulled off humanly for the firstv time.

[@C.5.]

Someone tell me I ain't the only one who forgot this track existed.......please

[@mahbluebird]

Cannot wait until every single track on MKWii has an ultra. The SummoningSalt video will be wild.

[@hanmoamo]

So cool to see peach garden broken! I don't think this ultra will ever be viable for any wr, but it's still an incredible thing, good job!

[@Duckmastrr]

This is so fascinating that Jaden’s peach gardens theory worked

[@Stan99]

Super sick! This must have taken so much time haha

[@ianimatethings8047]

I cant believe people still play this game and find new mechanics and shortcuts. Amazing.

[@treydog1357]

i had a feeling this track would get an ultra eventually, but i had no idea it would be this complex

[@Andrux0821]

Wow the complexity of this ultra shortcut is on par with getting Watch For Rolling Rocks in 0.5 A presses.

[@DylanSnider]

Phil from Rugrats in Paris: That's the longest shortcut I've ever took.

[@TheBlueToad]

I can't wait for this shortcut to be used in RTA runs!

[@mkw_h9466]

I can’t believe somebody found this, this is insane!

[@pierre-mkwii9617]

I'm already waiting for Justin to do this RTA!

[@StepBaum]

Crazy work and it seems veryyy technical

[@lanmor83]

summoning salt’s next vid with ultra shortcuts will probably be so cool

[@shinyf00]

There’s a solid respawn surface like this underneath Luigi Circuit. Maybe it could lead to a new ultra in the future. Who knows.

[@webbowser8834]

"First you do thiiis... spin around! Now double take three times..." That's really all I could think about when watching this video. I should go to bed. Good job mate.

[@AlexTheSuperNintendoGamer]

Very good video. Keep up the good work.

[@ShibaMoment]

I just love how we’ve gotten the point where the ultra shortcut takes longer to do than the whole track does

[@wm3709]

The curse of summoning salt proves itself more...

[@jamesmuraski1]

Congrats on 1,000 subs cf

[@crimson-brawlstars4893]

Congratoulations to 1000 Subs

[@killedragonyt6353]

the game where you go faster by driving upside down a car but no jokes, incredible

[@Lorenz-by7zd]

wow, probs for that glitch. It seems like its very difficult to pull it of humanly but i´m excited who will be the first human pulling this off

[@auxil6550]

Didn’t expect upside down funky kong but I’m all for it

[@metarotta]

really nice work cf 👍👍👍👍

[@davejeba2767]

Finally, half of the tracks in MKWii has an ultra shortcut!

[@MKWahPhil]

It's already 19 ultra shortcuts. So already in January 2020 Mario Kart Wii had half of it's tracks broken with the disccovery of the 16th ultra shortcut N64 Mario Raceway.

[@Mabi19]

Funky Kong driving upside-down is HILARIOUS.

[@xyithan9128]

Over 10 years old and this game still has secrets

[@arivedal]

This is ridiculous! Great tas, cf!