What is the Astros' "master plan"? | MLB Tonight

[@BradGroux]

I love Tucker, but teams not named the Dodgers that sign mega-deals don't stay competitive. That's it. The Astros have been competitive because they build talent, not buy it.

[@TranslateToEnglish]

They built talent by trading away all of their veterans, had 3 or 4 - 100 loss seasons, picked first in the draft all of those seasons and built prospects that were can’t miss minor leaguers. I was here during those 100 loss seasons.

[@robertzimmermann5608]

Bregman is home grown. You are not buying talent you are paying the talent you brought up. Stop being cheap.

[@BradGroux]

@@robertzimmermann5608 They didn't sign Springer, or Correa, and that worked out just fine.

[@williamjamiecrews4499]

Amen… Perfectly said and that’s a fact!

[@TranslateToEnglish]

@@BradGroux well they haven’t even come close to replacing Springer. And I’d rather have Correa than Jeremy Peña any day.

[@danielchiu655]

As a lifelong Astros fan, I'll explain why most fans are happy about this trade. 1. Jim Crane have been very vocal about not passing out long-term contracts (over 6 years of guaranteed money) so we were not going to extend him no matter how many wanted ownership to. We saw way to many of our best players over that last few years walk for free and this was a change from that. 2. Tucker is a great player but last year he was injured for big chunk last year and we were still able to compete. I know that most sleep on our farm system but we have a bunch of outfield bats in AAA that are waiting for a chance as well as our top OF prospect (Jacob Melton). Pedro Leon is someone the Astros signed a few years ago out of Cuba that is going to be looked at during spring training. Everyone is focused on the Isaac Paredes part of this trade but the real jewel is Cam Smith. He is a Top 100 prospect that can hold down 3rd base for a long time in the future. Paredes is the short-term and Smith is the long-term answer at 3rd base. Wesneski is just cream on the top, a local product that will help with fan engagement just like Arrighetti. 3. There is only 1 player that the Astros view as "untouchable" and that is Jose Altuve. As he gets older, we have to also get younger around him so that we can still compete each year. Astros fans are not like Yankees or Dodgers fans, we do not expect success by buying or overpaying for talent, we cultivate and grow talent and that is why we are successful year after year. We already have seen what aging players on long-term contracts look like (i.e. Albert Pujols, Angels contract) and that is not something that we want. Good teams trade to get better, Great teams trade to get better with a plan

[@GetMoneyFuggBidges]

Well said!

[@oscararredondo9672]

well they did overpay Abreu and Montero and that handcuffed us a bit in salary. Should have never let Click go.

[@ThePatrickakes]

As a fellow life long Astros fan I agree. I think Yordan is nearing the untouchable point, and will become the untouchable one once Altuve retires. IMO. The Tucker loss stings, but we were gonna lose him anyways, so getting something back is a good eal. Also, great job bringing up Leon! The 'Stros have been good at getting international talents that other teams have slept on. I expect that to continue.

[@bornwithpain98]

yall traded loperfido

[@a22509]

You’re obviously a dodger fan 😂😂🤡🤡 Dana brown has to get dealt with

[@mack72711]

Brian one thing you're forgetting is losing top talent because of free agency is something the Astros fan base is used to. At least this time they got a return before he walked. I still think they should've went for it this season with Tucker and figured out the rest later but the trade definitely does help the future. Oh and another reason the fan base isn't that pissed is because it's the off-season and we're not seeing it on the field yet

[@bradbennett4237]

We got sonething for a guy who we were gonna lose after this year. Why is everyone freaking out about this?

[@GoneCarnivore]

Should have traded Bregman last year! Lesson learned. What we have in Houston is a bunch of fans that were not present when the team was built. We must rebuild.

[@matt_h_27]

Arenado is not an impact bat

[@eltonyancey6426]

Forget him , try for Walker, and a decent outfielder. Their outfield is pitiful.

[@JustLikeHeaven77]

Stock up on pitching and reload the offense at the deadline. That's the plan.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

I think Arenado can be a good bat in Houston. Look at the line up. We got pretty much no offense from LF, CF, RF when Tucker was injured, 1B. Arenado can hit better than half of the Astros bats in 2024. Arenado may not be a super star anymore, but if he comes cheap...he will be an addition.

[@JustLikeHeaven77]

@TexanUSMC8089 He's not cheap. He's owed $74million over 3 years with Colorado paying $10million of that. Basically, $21.3million a year.

[@elkennedystrat7894]

@@JustLikeHeaven77 exactly. And he had fewer extra base hits than Jose Abreu in 2023. That’s very anemic at best.

[@Mr.Pop0]

I trust the astros process

[@Slinginghotlead007]

Me too.

[@matt_h_27]

People are mad about Tucker but the Astros can just get him back after this season when he becomes a FA if they really want him.

[@eltonyancey6426]

He will be high dollar if he has a good year.

[@CaffyPvP]

They are getting over $70 million in bad contracts off the books after this season. The smart play is to stay under the salary tax cap, avoid the repeater penalty, and have lots of money to spend in 2026 when Tucker, and Vlad Jr. are on the market. Sometimes you have to take a step back before you can move forward.

[@sagittariusemperor9692]

He'll no. Only a dumb team will pay him 400 to 500 million dollar contract. That will just mess everything up for the Astros.

[@vic9176]

😂

[@Honeywheremysupersuit]

it was better to trade him than letting him walk next year

[@Michael-kf7gm]

Would the hosts of this show prefer that Tucker walk next year for nothing?!?!

[@rufinoomendoza1203]

They got good in return tbh

[@TexanUSMC8089]

I think it's funny how many people seem to have a crystal ball telling them what a player will do in 2025. Paredes is 25 years old. He's played 3 full major league seasons. He hit 20hr with 70rbi his rookie year in Tampa. That's not a hitters park at all. He hit 31hr with 98 RBI his second year. Last season he was part of a trade to the Cubs. He hit 19hr with 71rbi. I think a full season at Minute Made park and he'll hit 30hr with 100 rbi. Just like Tucker. If the Astros get Arenado cheap, he's been slumping a little for the last couple years, but I think he would be a big improvement in the line up over Meyers, McCormick, Dubon, Singleton, and any player we put in when Tucker was injured. Arenado may not be the superstar he used to be, but he's an improvement in the lineup. There's potential for a 270, 20hr season. The Astros still need an impact bat in the OF to be contenders again. I think Paredes replaces Tucker's bat, Arenado replaces Bregmans bat, and then one addition would be an improvement for the Astros offense.

[@andrewhernandez2650]

He doesnt produce in the playoffs. And houston was still able to win games and win the division with him being hurt most of the year

[@oscararredondo9672]

yes he was god awful in the postseason. I hated seeing his little trots off infield outs.

[@andrewhernandez2650]

@oscararredondo9672 an automatic out lol. If him or pena give them a little , last year against texas, they get that ring instead.

[@Dougsellshouston]

I don’t care who you are Tucker Bregman are not worth that look at springer and Correa duds after they left chase money leave Houston history speaks for itself

[@jrgvsqz]

So they're supposed to let him walk for nothing next season? Just like Othani walked away for nothing?

[@oscararredondo9672]

Just like Correa, Springer, Cole etc.. The new GM just thinks differently

[@metalboarn6174]

That poll and the result is because the assumption is that he's not coming back, so we would rather trade him and get something back for once in our freaking lives. It doesn't mean we wanted him trade it if the option was there to sign him. You can blame this entire fiasco on Jim Crane and Jeff Bagwell deciding they would be better than James click. Astros fans officially hate Jeff Bagwell now.

[@Moeradwan45]

They keep saying they lost a superstar ? Did they ? He’s gone after season for nothing. How are all these so called experts are dumb.

[@ryanolson2308]

He was on their team and now he’s not. So yes they lost a superstar. Are you braindead or something?

[@TexanUSMC8089]

You have to get to the playoffs first. Tucker hit 30HR, close to 30SB, and 100rbi three of the last four years. That's a big part of getting to the playoffs.

[@kenneth6847]

Tucker pu#% out for months. That lingered both in the clubhouse and out

[@Michael15_25]

Just trying to stir shit up

[@vic9176]

​@TexanUSMC8089 he disappears in the playoffs

[@Rjr06g88]

Astros fans had no illusions that ownership would step up and pay tucker. These guys are clueless if they’re shocked at that poll

[@cindysauer1430]

Astros are keeping Altuve and thought Bregman too. But when Soto got that big contract Bregman who is just as good and probably thinks he should get just as much. He knows Astros won't go that high. The longer he holds out the better the chance of staying with the Astros. Teams are signing other players while Bregman holds out.

[@strictlace]

If they keep Bregman and let Tucker go then I just don't see how they are serious about anything. Bregman has been declining and Tucker is still in the heart of his prime...I just wish they held out on the Tucker trade longer to see a real bid war going on. Cam Smith is the #7 ranked prospect in the Cubs organization.

[@JustLikeHeaven77]

@@strictlace Tucker made it clear he did not want to stay in Houston.

[@DMTree4me]

​@JustLikeHeaven77 Did he? Publicly? Because last I heard he was trying to recruit players to come play in H-Town before he was traded.

[@JustLikeHeaven77]

@DMTree4me He knows Crane doesn't offer long term contracts and was seeking a 10 year extention. Just like Bregman sold his house in Houston in the summer of 2024.

[@robertrichards2934]

Not Nolan Arenado, he has Abreu extra base hits numbers. His .OPS has declined since leaving the Rockies. Plus we would eat almost half his salary on another 34 year old player. Nope nope lol

[@dal.890]

I'm a Cubs fan and it feels like Astros could have gotten a lot more tbh. Love it for Cubs. Paredes didn't work out, Wesneski is mid and Smith is still just a prospect. Have to hope Smith pans out if I'm an Astros fan.

[@elkennedystrat7894]

Arenado didn’t put The Astros on his no trade list of places to go. Why does everyone keep talking about?

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Because he can approve a trade if he wants to.

[@elkennedystrat7894]

@ so he would reconsider the choices he made? Sure hope they’re not gonna get another older player on the decline. He had less extra base hits last year than Jose Abreu in 2023.

[@EdExTechur]

It has seemed (by the silence) there was NO chance for Tucker to stay in Houston, so a trade makes total sense.

[@anthony9933]

And Arenado? Please no. Reminds all too much of Jose Abreu with where he's at in his career.

[@chghfd4946]

Astros can not afford him. They might as well get something rather than nothing for him.

[@anthony9933]

Crane has proven over the years that he is not cheap. But he has also proven that he doesn't seem to know WHEN to spend and WHEN to be cheap. He has bad timing. Spend tons on closers like Montero yet nothing on franchise cornerstone entering his prime. To do what? HOPE a prospect (suspect) is as good as what you already had??? Be frugal when it truly benefits the team. Get out of your damn comfort zone and step up to the plate and spend on those rare moments like a Tucker coming up. You want sustained success, you have to know when to go for it, when to not, when to adapt your long time habits to the times. Maybe not for a Bregman but for a Tucker? Yes.

[@RECADPLAYA]

It hurts a lot, but we can’t continue the trend of letting people walk for free. If smith keeps his trajectory, he’s someone who could hold that position for YEARS. I see the logic in this move. Just hurts. I hope King Tuck gives some new fans some new memories.

[@jonathanadair7305]

I’m more upset about losing Yusei Kikuchi. Tucker was a no-show come October.

[@markkeneson6806]

The question is not only whether or not the Astros should have traded Kyle Tucker, but also, did the Astros maximize their return on Kyle Tucker. Would the Astros have received better compensation by trading Tucker near the trade deadline rather than during the off-season?

[@Tr3yzle]

Tucker is a great regular season player that disappears in the playoffs.

[@jrgvsqz]

He was hurt this season. Every other season, he has contributed. Compare him to Aaron Judge in 2022 post-season ... Judge: 5 Runs 5 Hits 2 HR 3 RBIs 2 Walks .490 OPS Tucker 4 Runs 10 Hits 3 HRs 6 RBIs 7 walks .706 OPS

[@stevenwoods5787]

@@jrgvsqz no tucker typically disappears in october. he'll have at most 2, maybe 3 good games and then nothing

[@Jholcombe30gmail.comJordan199]

I said the same, he's gonna want 300+ next year.

[@jwvideos7011]

@@jrgvsqz The last 3 post seasons Tucker at the plate 10-49, 6-40 and 0-7. And in 2022 your comparison year he had like 2 games where he got most of his hits.

[@sagittariusemperor9692]

That is the reason I was happy he was traded he was Bagwell and Biggio 2.0. All of them are worthless in the playoffs big time losers.

[@timpetta2974]

Bregman thumbed his nose at the Astros. Goodbye.

[@rufinoomendoza1203]

Bregman is signing with the cubs too

[@vic9176]

I remember losing to the Rangers because tucker couldn't hit a beach ball ✌🏾

[@theoperry3236]

Last year the made the playoffs without Kyle Tucker 😂 off the backs off pitching and Alvarez

[@oscararredondo9672]

True but the pitching was really good with Kikuchi who left this offseason.

[@theoperry3236]

@ our pitching staff is also young and a lot of pitchers are coming off the IL

[@gaberivera801]

Many people think the Astros don’t have money to pay players🤣 We certainly do, we just have a different system. We don’t do long term contracts. We build our players we dont buy them either. We are not the Stankees🤣

[@Cavewonder323]

We just found out. They got walker

[@sittingbull3887]

Astros should try and get somebody coming up that has no big name Loperfido was a big loss he reenergized the Astros last yr when they where down .

[@jondiven96]

I am an Astros fan, But Bregmans best Years (like Springers and Correas) were in the Trash can era. He has been declining since. I would not go over the offer that is out there

[@hwrk777]

I don't care for the trade. Cam Smith in time could become a good player. Peredes is just a very average utility player.

[@johnsullenger4397]

Good luck to Kyle Tucker. He will be missed in Houston. He better get ready for some disappointment in Chicago. The cubs does not have the winning culture that he is used to. His agent may have persuaded him to trade a HOF induction tomorrow for money today.

[@cmoore9354]

Did this dude just say they’re best player, when we got Yordan Alvarez sitting over here??? I’m starting to wonder if these folks who talk about Sports actually watch the sports that they speak about.

[@paulroberts1799]

Stay and pray is all I see.

[@DarwinLemon]

We got nothing For King Tuck WTF is there to love.

[@d777b]

"Master Plan"?? 🤣

[@pickzkickz]

Welcome to the Dodgers or Yankees next year.

[@johnstanley9719]

We're going to miss that. Sad day for the fans.

[@whowho8470]

So funny he said Bregman will prob never be as good as the 2017 season. LOL yeah we all know why!

[@Michael15_25]

He was better in 18 & 19 than 17

[@wk7060]

Bad news losing Tucker!

[@raulgarcia3698]

Stros better not pick up Arenado.

[@vic9176]

He sucks in the playoffs

[@GregoryMichaelCarter]

Please resign that man.

[@steely_Bob]

Looks like Astros master plan is hit rock bottom & lose 100 again. Hope not.

[@alisyed7659]

Dodgers lost Manny Machado, Corey Seagar Red Sox traded Mookie Betts to the Dodgers Yankees lost Juan Soto Big Market Teams do lose Stars or Trade Them

[@VesaJay]

Trying to convince people to play for cheaters isn't as easy as you may think.

[@markkeneson6806]

I guess that means free agents shouldn't sign with any team in MLB since every team has broken the rules at some point in their franchise history.

[@VesaJay]

@markkeneson6806 you don't know that, and they didn't win 2 championships from cheating. I'm guessing the Dodgers cheated to win this last one as well 🤔

[@markkeneson6806]

@VesaJay , I'm talking about the entire history of MLB. The Dodgers may not have broken the rules in 2024, but they most certainly broke the rules during their 141-year existence.

[@iankatz4519]

lol you mean Bregman won’t be the same player as he was when he was cheating? 👀💀 Wow no duhh.. lol

[@MojoJM]

Astros are about to become irrelevant. Time for the Rangers to dominate.

[@balapadmanabhan5705]

LMAO you made me laugh

[@MojoJM]

@@balapadmanabhan5705 Truth makes you laugh, very interesting.

[@floydshambles]

is bregman a great character guy or a proven cheater?

[@eltonyancey6426]

That cheater thing will go away when he gets to a new team.

[@SuperiorPanda27]

@eltonyancey6426 You are wrong about that.Houston will probably resign him because Bregman is a leader in the organization and he assists with the pitchers.

[@richmondca1]

They better re-sign Bregman. We the fans are sick and tired of losing our players. Crane just doesn’t want to win anymore. We don’t have good players in our farm system anymore and Dana Brown doesn’t know WTH he’s doing.

[@JustLikeHeaven77]

I'm an Astros fan, and I say let him walk. He's overrated at over $25million a year.

[@alisyed7659]

Speak for yourself, Astros need to Rebuild.

[@ZacTexC]

Rebuild? We plug n play. We’re not rebuilding

[@JustLikeHeaven77]

@@alisyed7659 No rebuild. Fill in the blanks

[@Slinginghotlead007]

Yeah I agree plug n play. I’ll take winning the division again and retooling even more when we have more money in 2026.

[@johngomez7314]

Cheat

[@Nicholas-HTX]

Go cry

[@markwolfshohl6562]

Buy more trash cans?

[@a22509]

Everyone who liked it are dodger fans 😂🤡