MMORPG Tier List 2024 - The Best MMOs and the Ones To AVOID

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Rating all the MMOs from Best to WORST on this tier list as we enter 2024. A lot changed in 2023, and for that reason, so did my MMORPG Tier list! Which MMO is the best, and which MMO is the worst? Find out in this video
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0:00 MMO Tier List
0:13 WoW Classic
1:26 Aion
2:13 Albion Online
2:57 Zenless Zone Zero (ZZZ)
4:08 Archeage
4:55 Black Desert Online (BDO)
5:34 Bless Unleashed
5:59 Dark Age of Camelot (DAOC)
6:40 DC Universe Online (DCUO)
7:11 Elyon
8:09 Elder Scrolls Online (ESO)
9:16 Eve Online
10:02 Everquest
10:51 Final Fantasy 11 (FF11)
12:22 Final Fantasy 14 (FF14)
13:45 Guild Wars 1
14:22 Guild Wars 2
15:26 Lineage 2
16:00 Lord of the Rings Online (LOTR)
16:41 Lost Ark
17:16 Mortal Online 2
17:58 Neverwinter
18:25 New World
19:27 Old School RuneScape (OSRS)
20:43 Rift
21:08 RuneScape 3
21:43 Star Trek Online
22:14 Star Wars The Old Republic (SWTOR)
23:15 Skyforge
23:53 Tera
24:41 Ultima Online
25:25 WarHammer Online
26:05 World of Warcraft (WoW)
27:08 Wizard 101
27:42 Wayfinder
28:30 Blade & Soul
28:57 Throne & Liberty (TL)

[@LuckyGhost]

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[@ReignofGuilds]

Hello, how can I contact you? Your email is not specified

[@LuckyGhost]

@@ReignofGuilds hi there, you can find my contact info on my Twitter profile. Looks like youtube removed the about page and my email on there was lost in the process. Thanks for the heads up!

[@rpmusic6402]

Zenless Zero is RPG not MMO

[@vgtall3853]

@@rpmusic6402 it doesn't say it is MMO anywhere

[@wintermoon5]

Where would you place ...or How would you rank Warframe?

[@TenereAMir]

I sub to LOTRO a couple times a year for a month or two. It's a weirdly relaxing MMO because the world is just amazing, despite the grahpics being a bit dated. They did such a great job with Middle Earth it's worth checking out for that alone for anyone who likes the books or the movies.

[@JemuzuDatsWho]

I grew up with LOTRO being the first MMO I really got into and still have so many wonderful memories of spending time in that world and appreciating how the developers interpreted Tolkien's works into an MMO form. I still go back at least once a year to experience it all over again :)

[@deansmith6593]

Just came back after about four or five years. Surprised it was still expanding and some the changes made are great, especially the LI system.

[@TebTengri]

lotro and swtor are games that I will be sad when they go offline. I really wish they'd develop some way to convert them to single player, offline at that point. I'd even pay "new game" prices of $59.99+ for such a version when they do finally go dark

[@sniperrecords6470]

@@TebTengri Yes, it also wouldn't be that hard to do, it's almost entirely repurposed for solo play anyway. Just create a vendor for Cartel Market items and voila, SWTOR SP that could easily sell for 40-60 bucks. It would be a great way for the company to earn a few bucks more before letting it die. I also think it won't die entirely, and there will be fan servers, just like there are for WoW.

[@Finwaell]

and they went super woke so pass

[@sennaheylen9855]

I probably spent hundreds of hours playing Rift and GW2 with my brother. I'm glad to see that GW2 is still going strong because I feel like we really bonded over exploring and completing these massive zones together. The newer zones felt a little bit too convoluted and different from the rest but I think we might actually get back into it at some point if the new ones are really that good. As for Rift, I feel a lot of nostalgia for the game but by the time the later expansions released, the game had already lost a lot of players and we kind of felt like we were running around by ourselves in a completely abandoned game. The only place you saw other players was in dungeons or during holiday events. It was so different from when we first started playing and the world felt really vibrant and alive. It's sad to see something like that happen to a game you loved and spent so much time in and have such fond memories of.

[@aerix2000]

I still miss the soul system of Rift. It was such a pain to balance, but such a unique experience. I've tried going back but maintenance mode is not treating it well at all.

[@DevlVergil]

@@aerix2000 The soul system was genius and is still by far the best MMO skill concept. Being able play as a tank mage by covering yourself with stone magic was just too smart. The perfect mix between being able to have huge variety while still feeling like you're playing your individual class, not being some jack of all trades like New World with low variety or being tightly boxed and cookie cut into your class and abilities like asian MMOs. I'm surprised no other MMORPG has adapted the system to this degree as far as I know.

[@aerix2000]

@@DevlVergil 100%! I loved we could eventually play any role on any class. I think Bard was my absolute favorite, it was so well done

[@fu102]

THANK YOU! I figured wife and I were the only people who didnt like GW2 other than its base game. The newer zones are a convoluted sweaty tryhard mess

[@miqotesoulia8620]

great updated list. I hope you never shy away from doing this annually. Its nice to get the whole spectrum of well known MMOs ranked and talked about

[@TebTengri]

I still miss the low level, queued "battlegrounds" of Warhammer online. Basically sub level 20, grouped with randoms. The way PvP worked with tanks being able to taunt and having actual physical presence so you couldn't just run through them was amazing. Still haven't found a class as fun to play as their melee healers - Disciple of Khaine and Warrior Priest

[@yaroslavlobanov1728]

Return of Reckoning, still lives and is really active

[@kozmo7]

Same here brother. I was one of da big boiz keepin da squishies nice an safe

[@griffinreed1076]

Star Wars Galaxies was revolutionary back in the day. I started on DAoC and moved to SWG as a kid-the open-world PvP, player-built cities, multi-planet travel, and insane class quests like the smuggler’s “get put on every bounty hunter in the game’s bounty list” still seem unmatched to this day.

[@matthewreynolds558]

SWG was my first MMO. The game launched right in the middle of when the prequel movies were coming out, and I was a teenager that just loved Star Wars. I will probably always regard it as my favorite game ever. Initially for me, the vastness of each of the planets was insane, all with their own personalities and lore. As the years went by the standout of the game was the community. You didn't need to be in a top guild with BiS stuff to be a respected or admired player. There was dancers and musicians that were fun to chat with while they buffed your stats, respected and reputable crafters that could utilize player housing to open up their own shops, the player cities like you mentioned and they actually held elections for mayor, a roleplaying community (most notably around Jedi players), and of course the PvE'rs and PvP'rs--and that is just glossing over it. There was multiple ways to succeed in that game and feel like you were getting something out of it. I made real friends on that game. These days MMO gameplay is logging in for dailies or staying on later if its a raid night. Are PvP queues popping tonight anyone? who knows.

[@alekin3312]

You are a real one, thanks@@matthewreynolds558

[@HaleftHaut]

@@matthewreynolds558 There is a nice SWG private server, you should take a look. I cant play it anymore sadly, I get severe motion sickness on that engine

[@fulgerion]

SWG is still GOAT to this day. That and City of Heroes.

[@jibantik00]

Swg Legends and Emu have revived it

[@JSMNL]

For me Guild Wars 2 is also S-tier

[@kesamek8537]

Fully agree it is a great balance for casual/semi-tryhard players who like a good time and don't want to get ripped off.

[@joevaldez4889]

@@kesamek8537 has alot more better systems than WoW and WoW actually copied some systems from GW2.

[@AstrumArgenteum]

Same here, I think with dragonflight i S tier, and GW2 imo superior to the current wow state, as well as New World (massive inferior to GW2 in many ways), GW2 should be in S tier. At least in this constellation.

[@Bobbysmith54999]

That game is trash

[@Prawnsacrifice]

Its good sure s tier tho no...

[@joaomartins102]

surprised to see wizard101 make it on a gaming list, first time that's happened for me and the game has a near and dear spot to my heart, it was my first MMO and I still have my account which I use to game every now and then with my childhood friend from 15+ years ago. game is pretty simple, storyline isn't anything to have you on your seats but if you are a big nerd as you quest through the worlds you'll notice all the references from sci-fi books, mythology, even some history references. I'd say check it out if you have free time, they usually do the entire first arc for free during december-january

[@RmX.]

He added Wizard101 but no Mu Online or Cabal Online

[@cweaver4080]

You need to factor in cost as well. Do you make an up front purchase, pay a subscription, or keep getting gatcha boxes you have to pay to open? Is the cash store pay to win or does it only offer cosmetics?

[@hockerhelmut]

God this takes me back. I couldn't afford WoW back in the day, so i started to play Runes of Magic, my first real MMORPG and i had such a blast playing it. The only game that sparked this joy again, was the reveal trailer of Blade and Soul, i played it on the Korean Server with insane lag and it was still fun. When it finally released in EU i grinded that game soo much and didnt hate a second of it. Still waiting for a 3rd MMO that can spark that joy again.

[@brianbanks493]

Definitely should have a mention for Everquest II which launched when WoW Classic came out in 2004, and seems to be doing well still with a new expansion this year. As well as Runes of Magic (probably C Tier) that was very interesting. As well as Anarchy Online from 2001 that was my first first MMORPG.

[@JohnnyWalker1077]

Is Runes of Magic even alive still?

[@lornad681]

Oh I remember Anarchy Online, I was trying to remember the name so thanks for that. It was really different for its time and gave me such a strange feeling when I first played it. But I remember it was not too bad or at least I thought it was good enough to play for a while.

[@TebTengri]

EQ2 definitely had way better graphics at the time than WoW did. Strangely enough WoW seems to have aged better graphically.

[@pholoween1642]

Anarchy Online ❤ Imagine having it with Unreal grahics

[@Drewppp]

Ultima online from 1997 was/is a great mmorpg. Some of the best magic systems ever!

[@boanergese2466]

Asheron's Call came out in 1999 and was fun. Horizons: Empire of Istaria was also a fun mmo. Horizons allowed you to multiclass your classes. I had a healer/druid/blood mage which were level 80 each before I stopped playing the game. The problem was the game wasn't able to get enough subscribers to break even on its costs. It came out in 2003 and was completing with World of Warcraft.

[@Kingdom4212Gaming]

You forgot to mention Everquest 2 as its one of the everquest series which was very popular in its time but not so much now

[@TheCommentaification]

Honestly I miss Tera. No other game, BDO, BnS, Vindictus, etc, has captured the same feel of combat for me. I wish they made a single player offline version. Private servers are just a hassle to setup.

[@xKerebus]

There is a private one that's still going strong with how TERA left off, called Menma's Tera. I played on it for a long while when I was feeling nostalgia. it's imo the best and closest thing to what TERA was before it shut down. Literal same game files and all. Hassle? yeah. Annoying that we have to use private servers? hell yeah. But it's TERA.

[@luissuarez8961]

Dragon nest is the best game with that combat system, no game is close

[@Scultronic]

But tera is still playable on xbox. If you want if for computer just get the xbox pass.

[@jrobs100]

I probably have around 7,000 hours in gw1 and gw2. It has casual elements and hardcore (takes alot of time) elements too. I wish gw2 had more weapon drops versus crafting component drops like gw1 but gw2 is still a great game and its only gotten way better over the years. Id pay big money for a gw1 remake however.

[@bank869]

gw1 was epic in its own way

[@flailmail7069]

Gw2 has a cash store, pay 2 win elements, so meh nooo thank you. Also dont want to go for there predatory marketing practices like paying for all 9 character slots after buying the game and all expansions, buying bank slots, build storage???( Lmfao u can copy and paste it onto a text file btw), built templates... i could go on but yeah you get my point. If they made the game good, and not force you to pay to skip the bad parts, then maybe i wouldnt have dropped it as soon as i found the pay to win elements and grind skips late game.

[@Hofniel]

@@flailmail7069 first of all, this system is called "pay for convenience". Since there is no gear score and no gear enhancing, you can only "win" against other players with your skill. Second, GW2 also doesn't have any sub fee and has to run between releasing their expansions too: keeping their servers alive, do maintenance, fix stuff that's broken and, ofc, develop new content. Moreover, ANYTHING in the gemstore can be easily bought for ingame currency after gold-to-gem conversion. Sure, it will be a hell of a lot if you try to get all the unlocks at once, but there is literally no point in doing it. If you're a new-ish player - you DON'T need 9 char slots for all the classes in limited time span, you can create a few, try them out, delete the ones you don't like or dive deeper into ones you do like. That alone will give you tons of hours of gameplay, during which you WILL earn gold (and therefore can convert it to gems). If you're an experienced player - you can farm that gold, and not just in brainded open-pve way, but also with doing raids, high-tier fractals, or PVP tournaments. And, after crafting legendary gear, you'll be able to change your build on the fly for whatever content you want to run. There are tons of ways to earn those gems, if you like the game and want to play it. But if you wanna whine and spread negativity about a non-sub game's cash shop instead, nobody can stop you :)

[@joshuasanders8386]

I'm curious, what is pay to win about it? What do you pay for that gives you the edge over other players and the game itself??? @@flailmail7069

[@ArnoldMontes-ev3tq]

@@flailmail7069pay 2 win elements? How? I don’t think you’ve played the game. There are things in the cash shop that make playing the game easier but not to the point that gets you ahead of everyone else because it has horizontal progression. So why would you say that?

[@Jdv-gaming]

What is your recommendation for someone wanting to deep dive into there first mmo I’m a long time destiny player enjoy build crafting powerful builds

[@kenayu777]

Gw2 if you love testing builds

[@fu102]

@@kenayu777 Lies. GW2 is cookiecutter netdecking builds or else you get roflsmashed. ESO is pretty friendly to a build-your-own style, Last Epoch is also but not an MMO

[@carltonmcalister3605]

I feel Anarchy online is so forgotten about. It was such a an amazing game and kinda still is

[@SlamdF150]

I would love to see Asheron’s Call on the list. It was a sad day when it ended, but the fan base resurrected their old data and brought back their own emulators to play and it is still going today.

[@naynaydanae]

Best mmo i ever played

[@whizzles9809]

I was gonna comment that he didn't mention this. I believe if AC would have not been delayed and released before eq1 it would have been bigger than eq. Was my first MMO and still one of the best skill and magic systems to this day.

[@rikmuao4699]

I played it in BETA. I remember the demo download before BETA that was sent out for people to try out. I still have it on my old Windows 98 machine. I played strictly in DARKTIDE. Cerberus was my character name. I play ESO now. I would give up every game I play just to go back to play Asheron's Call even with the simple graphics.

[@ronherleikson875]

@@rikmuao4699 There is a community project that did a complete reverse engineer of the client to restore the game. There are a few tricks to get the emulator and game up and running, but not terribly complicated. I think there are a couple of servers to choose from. Yes, there are buff bots in the starter towns and when you get back in, it brings a tear to your eye. The environmental sounds are all there. Graphics are horrible, but exactly what we had back in the day. It was my first MMO and the experience was so magical.

[@oopomopoo]

Note about ffxi and eve. Ffxi still has multiple hundreds of hours of gameplay pre 100 and post 100. Sad about maintenance mode but still worth trying out. There's also an HD pack you can setup via KZbin. Eve technically doesn't have dungeons but there is a ton of group content. Abyssal dead space, high level missions, rat complexes, forward operating bases, etc. There's a ton you can do as a group in pve.

[@SpaceMarshal]

You're right about both, Lucky Ghost is a PvE player. He put EVE there only because incompetence. He literally knows nothing about EVE. He played it for a short while, and I watched the aftermath upload, and he did really nothing. The stuff you're explaining he has no idea what even is. These tier lists are dumb as hell, and this one specifically if from a PvE player, who doesn't even play all these games. It's a blind tier list.

[@zeehero7280]

EVE belongs much higher than the list goes in some ways and at least in top level in others. But it is NOT like other mmos at all, it is far more player driven and reliant on player cooperation, as well as still having an INSANE learning curve.

[@myrisk1193]

​@zeehero7280 much higher?? it already got tier B.. what do you expect? Tier S besides wow and ffixiv? Very objective.. B tier is high enough 😆

[@nhifuu]

@@SpaceMarshal Eve should be slightly below BDO atm, they are definitely trying to help newer players just like what BDO has been doing lol

[@Ralipsi]

About GW2 : I don't understand what are the lacks that prevents you from placing it at "S" tier.

[@renandutra7564]

For me, is S tier and better than WoW.

[@lamsauce4266]

No vertical progression, content drought, god awful class balance, pvp is left in the dust, so many paywall for older contents, almost no earnable mount in game, time gated legendary grind. Gw2 is a good game, but don't pretend like it doesn't have a lot of flaws.

[@triple1]

Dude no vertical progression is a huge win. Horizontal is superior by far. Some people need a carrot on a stick, the vertical progression is just padding some extra hours and makes you play more to reach the same numbers as everybody else, to me it's pointless because once you reach the point, you stop playing the game. On the other hand in gw2, there are so many other things to focus on. Plus, you can stop playing stress free and come back after a couple of months or even years, and your character is still mostly relevant. Pvp is left in the dust for sure, but then again I don't know any other mmo that support the same large scale organized pvp i.e. 50vs50 You mean no earnable mouns skins ? Sure, but probably just farm the gold "in game" then unlock the skin ? Does that count as "in game"? It's not perfect but what do you expect in a non-subscription model ? In wow, there is sub fee and earnable mount skins for sure, but the best mounts are in the store anyway. Some legendaries are time gated, what do you expect they just hand you all legendaries at once ? Do you think you can farm all them in a week if it's not time gated ? That's a ridiculous statement. It has its flaws sure, but overall I think it's a better designed mmo compared to others in general, definitely S tier. Best combat, best theorycrafting, most detailed maps, best mounts system, best large scale pvp, all voice acted decent story.

[@lamsauce4266]

@@triple1 bruh, "horizontal progression" is something every single mmorpg have at this point. Basically chasing cosmetic, housing, map completion, collecting other trinkets, etc. Those are not special to GW2, not anymore. Also, you don't know any other mmorpg with large scale PVP? Have you been living under a rock? ESO and BDO don't exist? ESO has 3 factions war PvP zone with hundreds of players at the same time. And bruh, all that talk about "you can leave the game then come back later", but the things that most player would want requires months to complete, and you think that's fine? You can easily get 20+ mounts in FF14 in just couple of days. GW2 is a time sink for the sake of player engagement, and very much disrespect player's time. And once again, ESO with no sub required, with farmable mounts, large scale PvP, all voice acted, actual theorycrafting and not copying build on 1 website, no content drought, does not sunset story content just to sell it back to the players years later. If that ain't S tier, then GW2 ain't either. Love both games, but they ain't S tier.

[@triple1]

@@lamsauce4266 Vertical prog. only makes sense if you have some infinite Korean grinding mechanics like BDO etc., otherwise it's just a meaningless timesink that doesn't affect your gameplay or anything, just to catch up, buy subscription out of fear of missing out. It's just a hook. The fact that most mmo's have it doesn't make it right. Gw2 is ahead on this one. The most important thing is old content is not invalidated and even old maps stay relevant to this day and full of people. Currrently that's even something wow players complain about and I think it originates from the lack of horizontal prog. Have you really played the game and still talking about the game not respecting your time? Are you kidding me ? It's one of the mmo's that respects your time the most, lol. Most things are account shared, achivements, materials, ascended and above gear... switching between alts is soo easy... You have tons of leveling tomes given you by playing the game, so you don't even have to level again on alts. You obviusly don't know what I'm talking about since you're comparing bdo and eso pvp with gw2 :) Can you wrap your head around 50vs50? It's not just about people hitting each other as hard as they can, it's about the collaboration, the synergy that each class have with each other, the party compositions matter, the gear stats compositions matter, the build (talent tree) matters and affect each one in the party potentially, each party member has their duty. I'd say they feel really different almost like a different genre from what you can do in BDO pvp. "The things that most player would want requires months to complete" That's false. What do you want ? If it's the legendaries you want but you want it now ? Then what's the point of playing an mmo, you want to be spoon fed gear ? If it's gear to do content, it's unbelievably easy. Just go to the wvw vendors and buy all the exotic gear, or just go to trading post and buy the gear you want for really cheap instantly. Now you can play any content you want, except the latest tier fractals, but other than that you're ready. I don't really understand the complaint on this one. Let's not get into ffxiv mounts. Gw2 has the superior mount system and it's deeply tied to exploring, not even a contest. Since open world content in ffxiv is non existent at this point, it's more of a cosmetic fluff rather than a functioning part of the game that's used for gearing up faster, doing jumping puzzles, give advantage in pvx, progress through the story etc. If you're talking about the skyscale grind, they just give it to you in the latest expansion. If you like ESO, who am I to judge you. Keep on enjoying, and I didn't say anything negative about it. There are tons of comparison videos of its strenghts and weaknesses on YT, and I chose gw2 in the end. My point is this game definitely doesn't deserve to be lower tier than ffxiv and wow while being superior in most aspects.

[@edu4rd0m6]

Very good video and list. It’s visible the effort to make it. But I wonder why tibia isn’t in the list. Cheers.

[@yonkorob]

Gw2 should most def be S tier

[@marinhrabric6162]

What a crime to not put GW2 in s tier

[@JROCThaGreat]

Noon existing end game, and bad monetization holds it back. None of the games in S-tier have bad monetization, and all have way better end game.

[@CamaGoesGym]

​@JROCThaGreat gw2 pay to win? You can only buy the dlc with real money lol, like probably 60 dollars to 80 dollars for everything, can't I buy in game items with real world money in WOW?

[@ackwasatritoss6263]

Looks so boring, no sense of vertical progression, no reason to push your char

[@yonkorob]

@@ackwasatritoss6263 there’s multiple things to push besides an endless gear treadmill. You progress your account. Which leaves room to actually enjoy different forms of content instead of running X raid or X only dungeon for this one piece of gear and you most likely might not even enjoy that form of content.

[@TheXood]

Very nice video and list. Request: could you in the future only show game scenes? For instance, a few seconds from the beginning, mid and endgame. This his way is so much better to get an impression from the game instead of sometimes gameplay and rendered videos.

[@ItsK1NOTIME]

nice list, beautiful time stamps that once click it showed the tier ranking, saving tons of time for the ones we forgot or want to save time on

[@parazita89]

You are absolutely right about Lineage 2 retail but there is always the option to look for a private server such as ElmoreLab currently which is the best private server out there atm. Not like the rest of the weird customized private servers that are pay to win and reset or wipe every few months.

[@bizzzzzzle]

Yeh, but he’s talking about main

[@mrhadley8197]

Pour one out for City of Heroes. The best superhero MMO by a long shot. Glad you gave some love to DAOC :)

[@user-js7ht4kz2x]

I second this! I haven't had the time to play recently, but last time I checked the overall experience on the Homecoming server was quite good. (With everything that was a paid service or item in the shut-down retail version now being free stuff on Homecoming and overall a healthy population.)

[@Parzival117]

Tera had the best tank class mechanics in my opinion. Trying to level a tank class or play the campaign solo of a game as the tank is a horrible or impossible experience. Tera's tanks were actually tanky and could block even the hardest of attacks from dungeon bosses making it the best tank class I've ever played.

[@nooptions101]

Yeah, it was the only mmo that I actually mained tank

[@maciejjagielski4136]

Still remember the good old Tera, I mained the High elf tank and was once called the best tank on my server ahh playing tank was so rewarding, I really miss those times. The game went to shit after becoming F2P... such a waste of potential :/

[@naahgol8608]

Nah for real though, tanking in terra you really felt like a badass tank eating up hits from BAMs

[@majorgear1021]

Terra or Tera?

[@DirtySerb]

A few years back I used to play SWTOR till I passed out on the keyboard haha. Loved that game. Got a little burnt out after the KOTET expansions and when they brought back Malgus as the big baddy again. Pretty much stopped playing at level 70 right before they did the complete gear grind overhaul AGAIN. I was too tired to try to learn the new system again so I've moved on to ESO for now. Still holding out hope for something great to come out in the near future as far as MMO's go. Great Video!

[@WRXnumberSeven]

hey sir, no input on Age Of Conan?

[@thargs9184]

the only reason I played RIFT for so long was the dimension player housing, by the time I left the game for good, I had maybe 12 dimension project ongoing, 10 near completion. The game will forever hold a special place in my heart as the most player freedom housing system ever, I made myself a treehouse and I handmade for someone a stairway going around a massive tree trunk XD

[@snowsongvideopix8680]

Great points! 🤗 I'll have to check this out!

[@spacegoat0133]

I wish wildstar and Firefall was still around 😞 Also, New World has massive potential. I think it’s gonna be one of those MMOs like ESO or FFXIV where it started really bad, but needed some time before it gets really appreciated. I say the next 2 to 5 years it will be up there with the tops

[@Madkingstow]

I played New World for a while and really had a good first impression but over time I started to notice how similar everything felt. Same mobs, same types of quests, same town layout, etc. One day I realized I couldn't name a single NPC from the game even after playing it for over two months, and that made me realize I wasn't really immersed in the world, I was just enjoying the gameplay. I quickly started to lose interest after that because I didn't see any future in the game. I think the game would be great if they spent more time on making the story and setting more interesting but unfortunately they seem to have moved more towards catering to the PvP group.

[@MadManDan-MMD]

I've been wanting to play New World for so long now, my potato cant run it but im upgrading in just a couple weeks and im excited to play it. It looks like it has the most potential of anything upcoming aside from Ashes of Creation and will most likely be my main MMO.

[@kazeoniwaban9786]

New world is awesome now. It really has a solid core currently. All it needs is more PvP maps and the dungeon finder fully added. The rest can be just content added the core is really set now.

[@FlyNavy1271]

The absolute only thing that could ever save New World is Amazon literally selling it to an actual development studio.

[@OolongSnakeArt]

I miss wildstar so bad, I was just looking at the Nexus Forever project- but it's no where near complete and more like a tourist visit of what the MMO was. I will never play an NCSoft MMO again because of it.

[@Enderald]

Great List!! Just think you should give mortal 2 a try, its certainly among the top tier ones for those who enjoy full loot pvp

[@thestiffmeister7]

What about the newly released Night Crows and the upcoming Tarisland, both seem quiet promising. Should you make an additional video for the 2024 releases. Night crows is more like BDO but it has a bit less p2w and the studio seems to listen a bit. The combat and character system was clunky and they started immediate changes at least on pc. Still feels like a pre-release version but has potential. Tarisland dunno didnt have the luck to get my hands on beta keys so i am just waiting, seems a bit like if wow and wildstar had a kid and wildstar had a lot of potential l.

[@lordmortarius538]

RIP Asheron's Call - Darktide. Some good times on that server, the political pvp map the players divided the world up into with almost no interference from the Devs was absolutely fantastic

[@hoopoop239]

I’m so happy someone brought AC up, the best MMO I’ve played. So many good memories and it’s such a shame ac2 was a flop

[@lordmortarius538]

@@hoopoop239 The most fun I ever had was during the Ayan Baqur war, when the town was first put into the game, as that was the only place to get level 7 spell components, and all the PK and anti-PK guilds fought over it for like a week solid. The bodies strewn across the landscape was a sight to see. I also laughed my ass off when I ganked Zunk Sun of Blood/KoC in Lytelthorpe on my noob axer because he was wearing acid stone GSA and thus had zero protection against my lightning atlan axe, got him in one shot, looted his pre-patch olthoi helm (which you could NOT get anymore), and he sent me tells for hours begging me to give it back, sell it back, etc. etc. Anyone who played on Darktide knew that Bloods were absolute dickholes (even more so than back in the Ultima Online days), so I told him I'd meet him at the Dryreach lifestone to trade it back, and as he showed up I dropped it into the lifestone; it was now irretrievable and would decay after a while. He got SO mad. No town guards meant guilds had to hold territory by strength of arms, and the political map that developed was a one-of a kind thing in an MMO. It wasn't dev created, it just grew organically; everyone knew you didn't go to the southern Lugian Citadel to level because that was where various PK guilds leveled, and you kept your nose clean around Kara due to BRN's influence in the region, etc. Sawato was a haven for noobs thanks to the Professionals under Ronan keeping it safe for them, and if you saw a Smurf anywhere, you RAN :D

[@nickh7777]

Such a shame that the MMORPG market became a revolving door. Too bad they weren't able to be ahead of their time in the changes that they made, and "bots" and eBay forced reality into it's innocent situation.

[@sarthakpatel3080]

Solid tier list but personally I think GW2 should've been S tier. Tbf I haven't gotten around to playing it but I have been just buying all the expansions lol. Man I haven't played some of these games in so long (R.I.P Tera). I tried out some but couldn't get behind them long term like FFXIV mostly cause of the monthly sub AND having to buy each expansion, still a pretty good game.

[@UnifiedMatrix]

S tier? The game only has servers in America and EU. That automatically brings it down compared to other MMOs. Maybe if your in either of those regions it's an S tier but because I am not it's significantly lower for me.

[@bank869]

A tier is good enough for Gw2

[@UnifiedMatrix]

@@bank869 yeah and after making it to endgame it doesn't have the greatest endgame content either but it's more than enough content if your a new player. I highly recommend you don't touch it if your in Asia or Oceania like myself because the ping is atrocious even with exitlag.

[@bank869]

if the game's good its good not because of the ping for me i still play wow with 130ping from SEA and i still enjoy WOW more than Gw2 @@UnifiedMatrix

[@russelmerchant984]

This was good, but you forgot Everquest 2. They have even released a new expansion. So it is small but active still. Plus if you get a membership you get full access to DCU and Everquest 1.

[@LuckyGhost]

Ya can't believe I forgot eq2 haha

[@ilyxan4436]

ive never played one. i want a open world online game, that i can grind and my “skills” go up. what would you recommend? (i play pc)

[@Khadgarorbhead]

Wow classic

[@Trigarta]

To me, GW2 deserves to be S Tier, it is that good.

[@-_-DatDude]

Might be somewhat controversial but I think a mmo with no console presence has no right being in S tier.

[@christianna4404]

​@@-_-DatDudeno mmos should never cater to, or compromise for, consoles.

[@-_-DatDude]

@@christianna4404 I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. Its 2023, nearly 2024... MMOs need to adapt with the times and accommodate console or else the MMO genre will quickly be a relic of the past like other genres such as RTS and FMV. From a developmental point of view, MMOs are a terrible ROI. It makes no sense for devs to not put their MMOs on console.

[@itzajordan]

@@christianna4404having played BDO on console, I can tell ya that shit was rough😂 mmos on pc is 10x better for sure just with button layouts and UI

[@itzajordan]

@@-_-DatDudeBDO did this right and some others are starting the switch👏

[@DavidRecuenco]

Might not be a huge MMO, but I think Vindictus deserves a spot in there, even though it might be nostalgia tier 🥲

[@jasoncarreon5535]

Vindictus was peak mmo

[@mhelsen6764]

It has a very instanced based gameplay, so it off puts the people who like fully fledged open world games. But the gameplay was fun and the gear Crafting was cool that it was from parts of bosses

[@gantiri]

Tibia is an MMO that always seems to be overlooked. Going on 30 years old now, they just recently introduced sound to the game. Updates twice a year to add more monsters, zones, or other features it seems like a game that should make these lists.

[@robznarnii]

Ultima is on the list, Tibia is just a rip off.

[@gantiri]

@robznarnii If that's true then there's no sense listing a majority of the games since they all take elements from each other. I'm pretty sure Ultima hasn't seen yearly updates in quite some time, yet somehow Tibia is seeing 2 every year and has a sizeable player base to boot.

[@robznarnii]

@@gantiri CIPSoft stole thousands of 2d assets (sprites) from Ultima and regardless of the fan base shouldn't be on any list whatsoever.

[@j.d.martin6678]

Eve Online has plenty of dungeons! Some of them spawn in space and you have to scan them down. They also update the story lore as they go, often introducing new tech, new factions, mechanics and a lot of stuff. They also have a Council of Stellar Management (CSM) which is a stakeholder status group of elected players that provide feedback to the developers. I would argue it has a scope that is unmatched, though due to this it is difficult to polish everything to suit a mainstream audience. The offline meta experience keeps many players of high corp and alliance ranks up at night to say the least...

[@LIL2willl]

Guild wars 2 has been very enjoyable for me. Not sure why it doesn't have a larger player base.

[@ravenvalkyrie4351]

Lack of marketing is a big culprit

[@honk_mcgoose]

Lack of vertical progression GW2 is made for casual players, it is a pve/exploration/social game with very little minmaxing and virtualy no grind The best way to make gold is to log in once a day or have a real job, the game has very little incentive to make you play for a long period of time in one sitting The pvp is ... Well, it exists i suppose Doing fractals everyday gets old really fast All in all i would say the game is simply not rewarding enough for those who are looking for that

[@Klein-Morretti]

Lack of bots. lol.

[@XBPReginleif]

@@honk_mcgoose no grind xDD i pray you never have to make a character full legendary equip

[@souporcat]

for me the exploration just got stale- i can only play run simulator for so long before i get bored

[@XBPReginleif]

placing gw2 in the same spot with BDO and ESO is just a meme at this point.

[@jawadshaalan5387]

Wdym

[@deaddarkones1089]

i think there should have been a A+ category@@jawadshaalan5387

[@deaddarkones1089]

i recently tryed eso again and literaly just had to walk to talk npc's for 10 minutes straight... even wow does a better job on this issue@@jawadshaalan5387

[@Qeqoification]

Still didnt see the meme, maybe it just lives in your head? Dont forget, personal thoughts do not translate into facts.

[@timkelly3230]

and guild wars 1 ... was sooooooooo fun i missed it and thought they took servers down .. im gonna revisit it

[@robdor5]

Asheron's Call has a community reboot in the works. There's a decent amount of playable content.

[@ReneParada]

I love the GW2 comments here, and an MMO player since 2003 before WoW was released, and played WoW retail and classic on and off, I must say the improvement that GW2 has made definitely made me quit WoW for good this year. For me, it is in the S-tier, as it brings much more than Black Desert and Albion, having tried both as well when I was out of WoW. WoW is trying to copy what makes GW2 great, and it is too hard for me to trust WoW again in spite of them announcing the Worldsoul saga. I do think GW2 can do better and improve on endgame content but I trust that they will be able to do it based on their recent track record.

[@bank869]

gw2 suck for me and dont even deserved A tier for me The pve is totally dead as a pve lover player the reward for doing things doesnt seem attractive and update is slow/ story telling sucks and the way the repectative fracture is boring 5 man dungeon is dead 10 man raid is boring since i love 25 man raiding or even 40 man raiding world boss is a joke just enter hit a few buttons and get reward there is no sense of danger in adventure at all there is no penalty at all Core profession suck compare to speicalist BUt dont get me wrong Gw2 is a good game but Gw2 fanboys and community that keep discriminating people who thinks different actually want to me to give this a B tier MMO instead i left gw2 for good since i got 3 Legendary after playing for 1 month on day1 and everything just suck not i look back thanks god that i left this game and still playing WOW hardcore raiding let me tell u the truth boy Gw1 is far better game than Gw2 imo

[@CamaGoesGym]

​@@bank869can tell you now you didn't get 3 legandaries in 1 month....it will probz take a few hundred hours just to get one from scratch..

[@ReneParada]

@@bank869 look who's discriminating here? too much coffee trying to prove that your favorite game is better by trying to diminish the other game me and the others here love. So yeah, go make your own thread and not dwell in mine since you are not objective. stop hiding behind my comment if you really think what you are saying deserves attention or merit.

[@bank869]

i got twilight sunrise and enternity in less than a month since lanch u can just buy stuffs i explore full map and get some karma from event farm which is fucking ez since used to be hardcore wow raiding to compete in world first Gw2 is just a joke @@CamaGoesGym

[@bank869]

i never said the game i like is superior to others and i even say shit about games i like that they could do better its good that u like gw2 but pls dont hype it to people without explaining everything about the game and giving only the positive side Gw2 has its pros/cons but i have never seen any gw2 fanboys said something bad about the game or the problems about the game COme on even wow fanboy and influencer like asmondgold keep pinning down blizzard and wow and still plays the game at least that is more of an honest review for me @@ReneParada

[@aciuschristophores7789]

This was a fantastic list and video. Love your passion, depth of experience, analytics and presentation.

[@underleft]

If a game is shutdown, why is it on the list at all?

[@dragonkoltwar8950]

when he made the tierlist, i guess the game was not down, its a tierlist remake and he includes all used mmorpgs

[@alexrodriguez4034]

I miss my days on AA, was fun while it lasted. I wanna get into an mmo but ive been so far removed from it, idk which one to play anymore

[@DC-Peiffer]

Odd that none of the Everquest footage was from the Everquest game. The progression servers are well populated. The game is still supported and they are just launching their 30th expansion. Even without nostalgia, if you enjoy older style games, it's worth some time. But it may not hold your attention for 100s of hours like it did back in the day. I think C tier is the correct spot, even though I love the heck out of the game. It's unlike anything else when it comes to socialized group content.

[@gilmer3718]

I think it should be at least one tier higher based on the criteria he used on the choices.

[@Iksar89]

I still play EQ. But I've been playing it off and on since 1999. As I've played almost all mmos, I always go back to EQ.

[@xFaTeDxReFleX]

If you’re gonna talk about EverQuest, you gotta talk about EverQuest 2. It was the first to go down the “classic” business model, opening up TLE servers years before wow and still is fairly fun to play for a tab targeter

[@izikiel]

Everquest 1 had TLP servers before eq2, also Holly Longdale who was in charge of everquest for like 10 years moved onto WoW and is now lead for classic :)

[@felblade5414]

What is your thought's on Blue protocol?

[@waynestewart1844]

I didn't see Tabula Rasa, a closed down MMO, but you mentioned others that were closed down. I wondered why? I thought it was one of the most unique leveling systems with a shift to one of two specialty classes every 10 levels with a mechanism to create a clone and choose both. Making it necessary to only have, I believe it was three base classes, or maybe four. In the end, you had the splits at level 10, 20 and 30

[@Tirin90]

A game that I feel like deserves a spot on this list is EQOA, otherwise known as EverQuest Online Adventures. It was a full-fledged subscription based MMORPG in the Equest universe for PlayStation 2. Obviously cross play was not a thing yet so it had its own servers and had its own storyline and timeline compared to the mainline series on PC. They had a pretty solid number of subscribers at its peak and even got a expansion which added another class and a whole new continent. It was Equest response to the success of Final Fantasy 11. 🙏🏽😆

[@stingerbee8346]

It was the best MMO I ever played.

[@Cuupi]

Loved RIFT. I've played many ftp MMOs and a few months of WOW but never find any addictive features & Rift managed to make me in love with MMOs. My most favorite memories include: - Swimming from one island to another just to save a couple of gold. - Getting many server first items from loot bosses and had my names being announced. - Finding rare artifacts on some random corner while doing quests. - The ability to 1v4 enemies in battlegrounds long enough so my teammates can do objectives. - Raiding. I was close to each and every one of the 20 men raid. I would say Wow raids are a little too big and FF14 are a little too small. 20 people are just perfect. It's sad that the game died down too quick as I think SWTOR and Guild Wars 2 came out after RIFT and the community split into 3 and it didn't take off. My next fave is definitely FF14. So many things to do. But at the same time, the sad part is if we take a month break, there's too much to catch up, I ended up stopping due to IRL commitment.

[@Feracitus]

when i hear 25 is too big lol. used to raid with 72 in EQ back in the day, felt absolutely epic.

[@darkwyspercreations]

I absolutely loved rift and still log in for nostalgia once in a while. I loved it so much that i took their world and made it my homebrew dnd campaign❤🎉

[@ecosti]

would love to hear ur opinion on the TL now and how the devs are terating the game so wonderfully and the slight combat changes.

[@sinaen]

I think its kinda hard to find something you want to play for several hours, i love to have a classless MMORPG with the same/similar controls as BDO as its not as square a controller as many standard Interface MMORPG anything that strikes your mind with my quest for finding the (for me) ultimate rpg game, i tried to run WOW hardcore, but it wont let me without a active subscription...so its hard if you never owned or played it, and the FPS games is so toxic today. 😞

[@wrenchjockey76]

No EverQuest 2? Good game, still getting regular new content, and most customizable housing in any MMO.

[@lincolnjohnson4428]

Lord of the Rings Online is a hidden gem. It follows the lore and is a relaxed game. It is formatted around the journey to max level. But man..... what an awesome journey with a storyline that competes with FF14. Best part is, it follows the lore of Tolkein so well.. they didnt sell out and stuck to their roots.

[@jaerys8823]

no DEI, ESG Bs ? Damn might be interested

[@didisaythat4230]

I kinda like what you're saying. Idk the lotr lore though. I watch the main three movies but I didn't read anything. Be worth it to try even if idk the lore?

[@lincolnjohnson4428]

@@didisaythat4230 Yes. Whats funny is that alot of the storyline is formulated around the movie. But at the same time. For example, while the fellowship is working with Strider to get the ring to Mt. Doom, you are working at teh same time to fight off obstacles to make that happen. Its quite ingenioius.

[@Thatcrazyearth]

is lvling still locked behind "buy quests for this zone for only 29,99" bullshit?

[@lincolnjohnson4428]

@@Thatcrazyearth No they fixed that with the monitization rework like a year ago. It was kind of dumb though, but its fixed.

[@Valrickaqw]

In one of the next one can you add in some of the not so well known games such as fiesta online and adventure quest worlds i would like to see where these fall on your lists

[@GabeKnowsBest]

Eso does have a subscription though, without Eso plus its very hard to manage your inventory and such.

[@nohandlemebruh]

When you said Tera, I felt my heart break all over again

[@LuckyGhost]

Me too 😪

[@vkobevk]

yup i missing my cute elin

[@redriverlures]

It was a special game. Best combat ever

[@majorgear1021]

I thought it was still up?

[@nohandlemebruh]

@@majorgear1021 referring to how TERA pull an inverse-FFXIV, becoming trash over huge updates

[@roslynboy]

I would rate GW1 a lot higher. Unique and sophisticated skill system; unique class mechanics; hero system that allows you to run a whole party; and terrific replayability. I played it when it first came out and I’m still playing it.

[@HyganGaming]

it s overhelming for new players

[@bank869]

Gw1 is superior in the old days but if i were to rate it in 2024 yeah a C or B is good enough for me

[@HyganGaming]

yes@@huangkongqing

[@fvb7]

Best times were had in GW1 but it's nothing without...the guild.

[@flailmail7069]

Im sad gw2 is much worse. The UI in gw1 was better, the story was better. Kinda sick of games with cash shops though.

[@flipflop8989]

This is prob a dumb question I’m just now about to get into pc gaming and I was wondering let’s say I get a game that came out in 2010 but is still played today. Are the graphics the same as they were at launch or do they get better as time goes on.

[@federicoacuna1336]

The graphics come mostly from the engine they where made of, so basically they can't get much better graphic wise, the best you could hope is a remake of that title. You could also find problems with your monitor resolution if it's too big with older titles.

[@flipflop8989]

@@federicoacuna1336 oh ok thanks for the reply

[@DsgSleazy]

Depends. If you play something like wow, which was released 20 years ago, the graphics have evolved exponentially. But something like finally fantasy 14 still looks like a 2014 game, same with DC universe online except that game looks like a 2010 game if a 2010 game looked like a game from 1995.

[@flipflop8989]

@@DsgSleazy ok cool thanks I was actually thinking wow when I put that in here

[@HiroofDeath]

​​​@@flipflop8989wow is massive and Blizzards flagship. They put in the effort to update the engine. Other companies shy away from the time invest and release new titles instead.

[@hendo18]

How do you feel Blue Protocol will be? Am interested to see how it will do!

[@larkendelvie]

You didn't talk about EQ 2 which is still getting expansions. I also think Dungeon and Dragons Online still exists.

[@LuckyGhost]

I'll have to look into EQ2, I always forget it exists when it comes time to do these even though I played it for a short time at launch

[@arkasiawinters]

D&D Online is still online.

[@Aloocook]

what about Ragnarok Online? The best of MMO's ever

[@theesitchaowalittawil1935]

It dead and the company keep making ragnarok mobile crash grab.

[@IR_Fuse_Live]

W101 is really underrated as a story from start to finish. I remember starting it with my friend, the pvp system was fun. Games not complicated and you can always find friendly people willing to help. whether your a solo player or not. Having a Different worlds to explore with their own story is refreshing. Last time I played max level cap was like 50 or 60 but I know they upped it and I had this lightning wizard that could one shot the other players or myself 😂 that was one of my funnest memories in that game.

[@johnroehsler2687]

Level cap is like 150-160 now I think. It has a pretty big player base still surprisingly. I would say 10k+ concurrent

[@FrostDK98]

I had a myth with max achievable damage 6 months ago. The game is awful in it's current state. They ruined the gameplay and loot boxes are running rampant in a P2W fashion

[@ClanNoSense]

Eu gostei muito da lista, concordo com sua opinião. Deu pra ter uma ideia legal do tamando e potencial dos games

[@irispounsberry7917]

"Guild Wars 2, which is probably one of the biggest underrated MMOs out there" and underrated here too. Best mounts, excellent zone design, great solo and group content with tons more being added, but not S tier? The only negative thing said was about cosmetics. However, there are tons of armor and weapon sets earned by playing, the new daily system awards currency for playing that can be used on more cosmetics (including a flashy infusion), and the cash shop itself has a currency conversion so that you can play to earn in-game gold and convert it to cash shop gems to get the stuff on there. And as you pointed out the fanciest looking gear, the legendary tier, are earned in game as well. So, while this list is obviously your opinion, you did not support your argument well as to why GW2 didn't land alongside WoW, FFXIV, and Runescape Classic in S tier.

[@cypherdroid]

That's why gw2 is underrated and people don't care about it because everything in the game is so easily achieved that why waste time and play ? Still a solid game but you can get bored really really fast.

[@brian9829]

@@cypherdroid its not easy tho? i crafted my first legendary playing casually in 6 months or so

[@purplenigga2478]

​@@cypherdroidGo farm a full ascendet set its Not easy and it takes long ☠️☠️

[@cypherdroid]

@@purplenigga2478 I'm not talking about farm, you can get anything with gold, even legendaries, I'm just trying to say, like you can skip all the farming if you want, everything is super easily accomplish

[@agunabanana3422]

​@@cypherdroid and most people get gold through what? Farming lol

[@Animadroids]

DAOC is the KING of MMOs. I am so glad it is still being remembered.

[@MrBnaan]

For anyone wondering about Oldschool RuneScape’s graphics; with one simple plugin you can turn on HD graphics

[@Gaming_Thorack]

I rember the old clasic Runescape, browser and basicly 2d, I was one of the first (later on called) pures. The update of grafic and combat system ruind so many hundred of hours of grinding I never went in again 😢

[@summonerkazumar7838]

Mortal online 2 deserves more of a mention in terms of customization as well.

[@dragonluffy3992]

GW 2 is a sold S tier for me

[@AxeAfrika242]

Not putting GW 2 in S Tier should be a crime!

[@ryankuhn9854]

Did anyone else get a proud tear to the eye when Oldschool Runescape got placed in S-tier? I'm not crying, you're crying.

[@Switch72nd]

I haven't played it in years but I do look at it now and then and the devs have repeatedly said SWTOR isn't in maintenance mode, its supposed to get a new update in Dec.

[@sir_snarf]

Really appreciate the kind words about Wayfinder, we have no illusions about the bumps in the road we have faced. But the team is dedicated and we can't wait to show the world everything we are dreaming for the game. Love the videos!

[@cm8227]

its a game i am keeping my eye on and have high hopes for

[@MadManDan-MMD]

its a tad boring, need some more content aside from dungeon grinding to unlock everything

[@sir_snarf]

@MadManDan-MMD working on our first entry level raid now and two more open world zones. We have plenty of content in the hopper, it'll just take time. Still just Early Acess ;😜

[@InfextiousIE]

@@sir_snarfi purchased this and refunded after an hour, while it wasnt for me it wasnt actually that bad of a game. will take a closer look upon release.

[@prediculous8059]

Looks good, sounds good, but still waiting for the free access it promised.

[@louisbuss6068]

One that broke my heart was Wildstar.. i had so high hopes as i loved the theme and teasers but that didnt hold up sadly

[@cody6584]

any without so many abilities skills keybinds? controller

[@Jeffnoothers]

could you list which mmo has asia server? it's so hard for me to find list of games with asia server.

[@nathanjennings1388]

I agree with the positioning of SWTOR. However, they did recently announce newer upcoming story update which is not something you'd get with a mmo in maintenance mode, so can't agree that its there yet. That could change in the near future, though. Not to mention that Bioware handed off a bunch of its staff to Broadsword to continue working on the game.

[@WraithReaper09]

They've also just opened the Shae Vizla Server (APAC). A game in (or going into) maintenance mode isn't going to put resources into opening a brand new server.

[@nathanjennings1388]

@@WraithReaper09 exactly.

[@PapaJodster]

Best MMOs of the year review I’ve watched. I do think Maplestory deserves a spot on this list though.

[@brandonjohnson2491]

When did Warhammer Online do 3 factions?

[@Brian-nf8jp]

What about Ashen Empires aka dransik back then which had 2 versions. An old game in the runescape era. Actually just came out on steam. Sadly they never did well in the marketing department.

[@Vratz99]

S-tier: "no P2W", proceeds to put wow on S-tier

[@DrGuyPHD]

Does wow really have p2w elements?

[@Vratz99]

@@DrGuyPHD you can buy wow tokens, that enables you to buy BoE:s, crafting gears, consumables, even boosting, you can basicly get anything just using irl money, i'd consider that p2w

[@danielcortes3808]

@@DrGuyPHD it does yeah

[@LuckyGhost]

if wow is p2w, EVERY mmo is pay 2 win. but i'll wait for you to name one that isnt so I cant tell you how it is. and yeah, I'm with ya, I despise the wow token, and its equivalent in nearly every other major mmo

[@Vratz99]

@@LuckyGhost Well ffxiv for example isnt, yes you can technically buy money and boosts from black market, but thats against the rules and will result in a ban. wow lets you buy gold directly from them and doesnt give a crap about all the boosting, if i remember correctly lotro didnt have option to sell its premium currency for gold and item shop was mainly pay-for-convenience stuff and expansions, but not 100% sure on that, gw2 is bit on the borderline, yes you can buy gold, but the gold doesnt allow you to buy really that much of player power, wow is by far on the top-end of the p2w scale on mmo:s

[@uglyfoox8964]

New world is so fun right now. Graphics and combat are nice.

[@paulbitgood2117]

Would like to see your ranking of Age of Conan "Unchained". I still play occasionally on rotation with EQ and SWTOR.

[@user-xt3xo8pk8g]

I think MMO tier list needs to be split between subscription and non-subscription categories. It is easier for subscription games like FFIV to not offer cash shop P2W items and so, it is even more admirable for non-sub games like Guild Wars 2 to refrain from selling any P2W item. Also, you don't own anything in subscription games: You only rent your character until you no longer pay the sub fee and are locked out of using it again.

[@majorgear1021]

Not really. I’ve let my subscription lapse for a decade at times, and when I renew the subscription, my character is right where I left them!

[@francisnguyen9554]

​@@majorgear1021 it is exactly what I have written: you are locked out of your character (along with all the time and effort you invested in it) until you PAY the sub again. You do not own anything. It is called renting.

[@Royal.Grand.Majesty]

ESO actually does have a hidden subscription if you want to play the game at a some-what serious level. I'm referring to ESO+ and the Crafting Bag. I've tried to get into FF14 multiple times over the years, but I seriously can't think of the game as a proper MMORPG. To me FF14 is more like glorified JRPG with multiplayer functions attached to it.

[@Jakesmith943]

It's a glorified JRPG with MMO Jank added, like long travel times and limited fast travel etc. etc.

[@fu102]

@@Jakesmith943 Dont forget the 24-35 skills you need to babysit every fight

[@JavisoGaming]

What about DDO and EQ2?

[@joe6pak14]

DDO has been on my list of games to go back to for some time. Feels bad not seeing it on the list. Too bad that they can't seem to capture the BG3 euphoria. I really liked the 3.5 rule set. Good times.

[@seandzs2324]

can you include warframe here if you recognize it as an mmo type

[@Slong7]

OLD eso player here I played since the week after launch. My gf and I were looking to get back into it. What are the odds it’s in a decent enough state to enjoy dungeon and level grind with a new character and a first time mmo player? I used to know everything about the game but since about 2020 summer pvp event I quit. What is it like honestly from a player who plays a ton if you will?

[@ivonbeton4725]

I overall agree with most of these. I personally did enjoy GW2 a lot more than FFIV though. It felt less dated and more compelling to me. The story in FFIV is pretty good, but it moves terribly slow if you are a new player and having to work your way through all of the expansions.

[@SergePriem]

True. I can't take FF14 as a beginner. Boring and group play is weak.

[@aaronh678]

@@SergePriem 100% Gw2 should be above FF14

[@Sandwraithk]

I have played WoW classic back from the launch, it was really enjoyable and I loved it, honestly. But cmon, putting an old, outdated game because of the nostalgia (and for some new content for cash grab) to S tier and GW2 which is constantly growing, getting better and bigger to A tier...? I doubt this whole video isn't just a promotion to that game...

[@williamdurbin9284]

Sould look up the 4th coming and 4 storys both old as heck but where great back in the day

[@josephcw]

Gw2 is definitely S tier. It’s been shaping the future of mmo for years. Dynamic mount momentum and abilities, account-wide features and many more features were inspiration to world of Warcraft which they had no choice other than following the same. I tried many AAA mmos, none of them respects your time and your pocket more than gw2. Its horizontal progression is hard to get used to it at first but once you get the concept you also understand that it’s way better than grinding for items at each expansions.

[@LuckyGhost]

I hear you, its always a tough choice for me on these lists. I'm always torn between giving it S tier or A tier. I think the lack of holy trinity is what really held it back for me. I always miss having your stereo typical tank healer and dps roles when I'm playing it. its like organized chaos in group content lol. Super subjective, so I can easily see why someone else would place it S tier. it does so much right

[@josephcw]

@@LuckyGhost It might be confusing at first but actually I love it doesn’t follow typical holy trinity. Because every class has self sustainability until a certain point. There are still roles more focused on healing, tanking but it doesn’t limit or force you to play a certain class for that. You can do anything by swapping weapons and builds. Once you get familiar, it’s not that chaotic actually. A smart formation should follow some criterias such as having alacrity quickness buffers inside the squad while maintaining the flexibility especially for open world contents. But yeah, as you said it’s S tier for some, F tier for others. All subjective

[@irispounsberry7917]

@@LuckyGhost I agree with @josephcw. Lack of holy trinity also means you aren't waiting around in queue for the missing role to show up. There's also the ability to freely change your build outside of combat so if there was something specific people want brought (like the alacrity boon), they can change to it quickly, particularly if they have the equipment and build tabs set up ahead of time. It's as convenient as FFXIV's class changing without the hassle of leveling up completely different classes for the role. And with all the Support builds in the game, really the only thing missing is a dedicated Tank role. You are free to play what you want with the class kit you want in GW2.

[@anikami6240]

I agree with pretty much everything except for New World being A tier. I think at best it should be B tier since they’re trying to make it better, but there’s still so many problems with the game from bugs, to bad game design.

[@caioriib]

the combat is insane

[@JROCThaGreat]

You obviously haven't played recently, also monetization is important and it's got done of the best right now

[@caioriib]

@@JROCThaGreat the game is good RN?

[@dillonrea8210]

Ye getting better every patch. Still has issues and especially since their combat code is a bit spaghetti code. Each patch does tend to have some combat bugs with them. But they get fixed every time. They are rewriting the combat code and releasing that sometime soon to make it less buggy, smoother for the large scale pvp/pve, and easier to add new weapons to the game

[@budokai5904]

Ever since playing a monk in guild wars one, I've been chasing that experience.

[@SIG442]

I got my reservations for some of the mentioned titles. Star Trek Online: While I love the idea and do play it on a event to event basis mostly, the huge problem is the truly horrible monitization crap going on. You pay easily 50 USD/EUR for a single tier 6 ship in the zen-store, this ship is usually usable for a console, a specific weapon that comes with it or a ship mastery that could be usable. However 50 USD/EUR is just insanely high end and it shouldn't be the case. Specially as mostly these zen-store ships are often useless, of what it gives you is pointless. Even worse, they are often really quickly overpowered by new ships making you feel like you got scammed. Now to add to that, you have the common bs ingame store items that either make no sense or are completely useless. Even events are placed in here so you can either not do the event and just get it right away, or after the event is closed you still can get it regardless. Big problem here is that you have to pay quite a lot of money for what is in essence FREE CONTENT. This not even mentioning the loot boxes that get pushed down your throat as it's the item with the highest drop rate. This forcing you to either store them or delete them as it gathers space in your inventory or bank being never opened. Even if you did get the luck to get a free key, the chance of you getting anything useful is just insanely low making these boxes very much a bother. Another major issue is the "life time subscription", for this you pay 200 USD (if not more) and you can only do that with credit card cutting out a lot of potential customers but for what you get out of it, of course it's nowhere near to being that price tag. Also in more recent years they keep pushing for woke crap that ends up ruining a lot in the game. For as much as I see the potential and likability, they sure try to destroy it and keep you running off a lot. I would love to see this game being changed for the better, but unfortunately at this given time I can only give it a C tier at best. SWTOR: Well the first hurdle you need to cross is the pay to play part. While technically you can play for free, they do love to push a lot of normal things behind paywalls. Even a item you purchased from the ingame store you get to unlock ONLY for that character, unless you pay the same amount again to unlock it for the entire account. Another thing that is a major issue, is that they force you to get into PvP area's just to explore where people love to wait and try to kill you which most of the time succeeds as they are always highest level with best gear possible. So you can't really do yoour full explorations done thanks to stupidity on the developers side. Of course you have lootboxes and a lot of monitization added as well, even if you are pay 2 play. This game is pay to play, pay to win and forced pvp in specific areas making this game rather a problem. I love the stories and in general I'd love to play it a lot. But with all this monitization crap I stopped playing completely and that's just very sad as I generally love to play it even with it's bad combat and rather janky personal homes. I have to give this game a D tier due to the monitization mostly.