Modded 2022 Subaru BRZ VS Modded 2020 Hyundai Veloster N - Track Battle Buttonwillow CW13

[@albonfilms]

I love the 86 platform, but seeing videos of the Veloster N always leaves me so impressed. N-division really is figuring some good stuff out! Nice work as always, Jackie!

[@Live.drones]

The video I didn't know I needed. Thank you!

[@Tonyk24]

This just made me want a new gt86/brz even more! Great video 🔥🔥

[@bikotheanimator6169]

This is amazing. You said, "You can find much better reviews elsewhere." I disagree. This is the first comparison video I have seen with professional driving. This is much better than those toxic videos titled, "Everything You Need to Know About The 2022 BRZ."

[@grips2k845]

Was cool to finally meet you and even have you drive my car! Thanks for the comparison!

[@tmaki87]

It was great meeting you thanks for driving my car!

[@JackieDing86]

Thanks for letting me!!

[@aquaisuseful682]

Gotta love the N! Had mine for a year now and couldn’t want anything else!

[@sk8s4aliving]

It's insane how much more tame and effortless the Veloster N looks in the side by side

[@sepg5084]

Front wheel drive tends to do that

[@nah3193]

Definitely. I kept thinking the BRZ looked faster but there's just so much more steering correction being done that it looks hectic.

[@richardledesma1675]

Great video very in depth and great points for positive and negatives! I can’t wait to get a 22’ N early next year!

[@speedacademydave]

Interesting comparo! The BRZ looked too soft, under-damped and bouncy, with some refinement there it sure looks like it'll run well below the 2-minute mark at CW13. Always enjoy seeing some proper Ding Flingage. Miss you guys...come up to TMP for a visit this summer! KZbinr lapping day at TMP is scheduled for Sept 17th, I think it is.

[@JackieDing86]

Sounds like we should do that!!! Hope to see you all again DP!!

[@matthewyang2792]

This just confirms how good the new brz/gr86 is. A sub 2 car with minimal mods is insane

[@RandomlnternetGuy]

Great showcase to Jackie's skill too!

[@harrybuhse8622]

@@RandomlnternetGuy Honestly. His driving gives credibility to this comparison.

[@slimv3.162]

Damn the veloster n just handles so smoothly. That brz looks like it was wearing you out lol. Both great cars though.

[@VictorPitstop]

No idea how you don’t have 100k plus subs yet!! Awesome VS video!

[@hoodieboy1515]

So awesome u made this video when I just learned about the Veloster N a week ago. Stock Veloster N is good. & Im hearing DCT is faster than the manual

[@juliangarzon7058]

Great video! thank you for sharing. BTW did you have the VN on full N mode? Also the VN has a 2.0 turbo theta ii not a 1.6 like the VTs. Nevertheless, great 👍 job on the track.

[@krishnaduncan8321]

Great review. Great content. Should do more testing / reviews like this.

[@JackieDing86]

My reputation of being **mildly** sendy makes it a little bit difficult to find people who are actually willing to entrust their cars with me. Completely understandable, lol

[@krishnaduncan8321]

@@JackieDing86 lol!!!

[@xzzz9097]

Maybe the BRZ could be easier to drive with a less aggressive/more understeery alignment?

[@noceilingsmotorsports]

Brz seemed faster acceleration wise but the Veloster seemed overall just more composed. With a less understeer-y setup I think the Veloster could go even quicker💯

[@walahmelons5504]

"BRZ seemed faster acceleration wise" Man that felt so weird to read lol That new engine really helped that chassis haha

[@harrybuhse8622]

Even with the new engine the brz doesn't accelerate faster. I think you'll find he was able to corner better, which allowed him to have better exit speed and therefore didn't lose much time on the straights. After all, there's a 200kg+ difference between the cars and 245 width tyres really allows the brz to get the most out of its performance.

[@Tastelikeb4c0n]

The Elantra N is even quicker with the updated turbo and suspension/chassis. pushing type r numbers and winning on certain tracks. The aftermarket isn't a safe bet yet for the Korean side of things.

[@sepg5084]

You seem to be making less steering corrections on the Veloster because front wheel drive. I see why AWD cars dominate the Nurbugring production road car records, except for the mercedes.

[@kennethtobierre7278]

Lol

[@aquaisuseful682]

Its FWD. My Veloster N rocks. Wish awd was an option

[@scubarubanzaii]

Yeah the Veloster N doesn’t need much steering correction in turns because of the ability to really control the front with throttle more than anyone expects.

[@tr4ck_day]

That was good, intelligent commentary. It had a professional feel to it. Subscribed 🤙

[@MasterApex1]

pretty competitive performance on 86 RWD considering it is ~50HP less than Veloster N.

[@rolandotillit2867]

What did you think of the v730s?

[@JackieDing86]

Very decent tire! I like it

[@mptboi7284]

which car is more fun to drive? I have a daily driver and looking for 1 car to do fun / track driving between these 2. Which one would you buy?

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Veloster N is a hoot but it's more targeted for hardcore enthusiasts. It's also ready to take heavy abuse on the track straight from the factory. Just like with most Japanese cars they're usually tuner cars. You'll have to probably dump a grand or two on any of the twins to even be able to hang with any of the N models with back to back laps.

[@JackieDing86]

That depends on your definition of fun to drive. Do you prefer a stable cornering car or an oversteering car that requires more finesse, I think that’s what you have to ask yourself. Me, likely happy to take the GR86/BRZ.

[@Stigmaru]

@@boygonewhoopdataZZ I think it depends on the track. The Velostar N is rated at 275 hp and the BRZ is rated at 238 hp

[@RomanticPopPunk]

@@boygonewhoopdataZZ wow, you got so many things wrong in that comment

[@tjlion1]

Here in Europe brz is like twice price of Veloster N. It is ridiculous how bad brz is for it's money. But apart from price it is a great car.

[@joe_z2k]

i was wondering if we were gonna get a video from bw cuz it was pretty wet lol! nice comparison! s2k vs gen2 86 someday?

[@KingOfEden12]

Says a lot for the brz when the N has both more top end power and more lower end torque Great driving Jackie !

[@fkhothatchi]

300lbs weight difference is bigger factor than the power difference

[@scubarubanzaii]

And on top, RWD has an inherent turn advantage over FWD.

[@SlowDriverSean]

Nice driving!

[@JtsTubes]

Nice driving brother!

[@1stockkfk8]

you should test a FK8

[@shortroundChris]

the more videos and info out there on the Hyundai N cars is making it harder to get one now for me :( I was a believer the moment I heard former BMW ///M Engineer led the way. and sadly 2022 is the last model year for the Veloster

[@psewgobind]

Nice comparison. I'm leaning toward gr86 since that car is super easy to drive at the limits

[@jamesjefferson6518]

In my opinion, fwd would be the easier platform to push as with the brz you would be managing oversteer and depending more on momentum based speed with the natural aspiration. You could be right as I've never driven either tho

[@psewgobind]

@@jamesjefferson6518 My current front drive gets tracked at TMP (base 10th Gen Civic with K20C2 engine and 6MT). It's a 2700lb feather weight with real old-school vtec after 5800rpm and it's super easy to manage oversteer in this car. However, I'm not worried about adjusting to oversteer woes for GR86 since it's so intuitive. Since GR86 is known to me but BRZ isn't, I'm happy to go that route (unless i can get a test spin in BRZ).

[@esantiago8989]

Needed this!!

[@4bangermafia]

This is a good video; I thought that I should make my FF RSX more loose, because it's so composed I thought it wasn't at the limit. But seeing this back to back you can be composed and still be fast as the looser car.

[@bikotheanimator6169]

I have a stock 2016 Genesis Coupe 3.8. People look more at the Veloster, but I like the Genesis Coupe more. They are monsters with built engines. Without built engines, they are not that great.

[@ArcticN]

Well that's probably the reason they look at the veloster N more if that's the case

[@thatasiandude1351]

now I'm waiting for the z shakedown

[@philippelemaire2887]

The suspension of theBRZ semestre too hard

[@JackieDing86]

I actually think it’s a little too soft

[@fkhothatchi]

300lbs weight difference.. I would've thought the brz would edge this by at least 1 sec

[@ciello___8307]

The N has like 50 more hp. Pretty impressive the brz put down such a competetive time though

[@fkhothatchi]

@@ciello___8307 I'm more impressed of the N keeping up with the BRZ that 300lbs difference is insane not to mention FWD vs RWD and Jackie is a RWD driver

[@badkyat4life]

The Veloster isn’t really modded…

[@harrybuhse8622]

Both cars are modded very similarly.

[@scubarubanzaii]

If that Veloster isn’t really modded, the toyobaru isn’t either.

[@trackvelor]

Ayye we made it lol

[@YakubNg]

actually these are my favorite cars right now. BRZ for RWD, Veloster N for FWD. LOL

[@vincentgao8839]

Now the new brz can compete with s2000😚

[@zcmdzpp127]

You logo looks like in’n out burger..lol

[@JackieDing86]

That’s the joke. Lol

[@DatBoyWavyy]

🔥🔥🔥👍🏼👍🏼

[@BitcoinTo150K]

Fit FTW

[@deejayimm]

The Veloster N was I think 4 seconds faster on Lightning lap. You can't get an accurate comparison of anything once they're modified. That's why a resource like Car and Driver lightning lap is so helpful, because it reduces as many variables as is humanly possible to get a decent comparison.

[@JackieDing86]

Yes but then again, how many track enthusiasts actually tracks the car 100% stock? Who wouldn’t add a little bit of camber, a set of slightly grippier tires, and some more track-oriented brake pads? Lightning Laps is great but it just tells how good the car is out the box, not how great the car’s potential could be.

[@deejayimm]

@@JackieDing86 I know, but that's why if your goal is to get an honest comparison, the vehicles must be stock. The difference in tires alone can totally sway the results. Not to mention all the other variables. You just cannot compare two vehicles that have been modded and expect the results to mean anything.

[@ciello___8307]

you can also say that cars will be suited to one track more than the other. Some tracks have longer /shorter straights, more tighter corners, etc which can make one car faster on on circuit or slower on another

[@deejayimm]

@@ciello___8307 well yeah but the only logical way to compare them all is to use one track. Besides, that's not going to matter much when the two cars are similar in performance.

[@Jez4prez1]

@@deejayimm nah, even stock cars have differences in tires. I agree with Jackie. Stock vs Stock is still oranges to apples comparison, unless all you ever intend to do is keep the car 100% stock, even keep tires stock. Then all you're ever comparing is your stock car to other stock cars. But if you're comparing 2 cars on a track, then keeping stock is pointless. No one drives stock cars on track. People into tracking cars are def more interested in track potential. Point of this video or videos like this is to just see potential, for owners to generate ideas, to say oh those tires worked well, or those brakes are good. Maybe I can try that. Things like that. No comparison is going to be equal. Whether stock vs stock, or modded vs modded. It only becomes close to equal on professional race setting (where there are regulations etc). But even then it's not 'exact' but the closest you'll get.