Modern Dating Is Impossible - Here’s The Playbook | PsycHacks' Orion Taraban

[@richardhessian4725]

This information is critical to men. I am now 65. Spent 25 years dating in L.A. The current dating mess was already in play in CA, even back then. There was no information for men. Female nature was not understood by most men. We were, in fact, raised to be simps. To put women on a pedestal. To expect to carry the whole financial weight of relationship and family. Men socialized each other to get "the hottest babe", without any understanding of the trap they were walking right into. Glad to see young men wising up. My generation took it in the shorts for their ignorance. 100% of the 30-40 mature adult guys in my close circle are divorced. Some multiple times. Don't be like us.

[@SaulNjie-qy4vq]

Thx 👑

[@happygolucky9004]

That's not female nature. Perhaps that is a toxic culture specific to LA.

[@BG-sq7zf]

Thank you for sharing your personal and valuable experience.

[@AndrewTheVikings]

The good news is now we know and thank you for sharing.

[@vltruan]

You’re exactly correct. 👌

[@bolt-dbtfg]

"plot twist" - women have ALWAYS been like this, but we never knew until global communication allowed 'swapping of notes'.

[@RyanPatrickFlanagan]

Boom! You absolutely nailed it with this comment! 💯% agree!

[@mrsherwood2599]

There ya go. Quiet part out loud.

[@TILLEYJS]

That's what's helped me for sure. When I saw other men's testimonials and women's self reporting.... Everything made sense.

[@joefromdc]

Western culture created this sort of environment.

[@madjunir]

YES. Women have always have the capacity to be like this. However Social media. Dating apps. Only fans.Toxic Feminism and so on have created the worst toxic environment. Ego through the roof and ran through. Also the 4B movement. No wonder society is now collapsing. If men don't fight back society is doomed.

[@bhec7715]

My ex girlfriend pretty much confirmed everything he just said. Before she moved out, her primary complaint was that I didn’t spend enough money and do enough for her. My primary question would be; how do we make sense of women wanting to exchange resources for sex in a world where they earn as many resources as men? I grew up being told about equal rights but I find that women, generally speaking, only want equality when it benefits them.

[@nsiebenmor]

Men are stronger and tend to be more mechanically inclined. Lean in on these strengths, work out, learn how to build and fix things. Be useful. These are things money can't buy and are desirable to women who have substance.

[@rg1924]

That’s the whole point of red pill. Women don’t want equality, they want preferential treatment at all times.

[@kingscairn]

​@@nsiebenmor have you no male pride ?

[@SteveDobbs-hj7fc]

Hi I’ll tell you the answer. She lost interest to the point where the “problems” start to matter. Happened to me too. In her brain the excuse for leaving then becomes those “problems” rather than the truth. The truth is that she got bored. I know this because I experimented with my ex after she broke up with me. I wanted to see if I could get her to fall in love again and to see if the same issues would matter. And the “problems” or “issues” don’t matter at all when they are in “love”. In the end I walked away from her after I reversed the dynamic, I learned a lot though.

[@omgitsarjun]

Your issue is that you’re conflating your main value with how financially successful you are, that’s natural as that’s what she picked up about you But no woman that truly loves a man would break up with him over finances, she had one foot out of the door for other reasons And those reasons are what you need to work on.

[@ECO20222]

"Men have always had mistresses" - as a man I am so sick and tired of this statement. What percent of men 0.001%? The vast majority of men were either at war risking their lives and limbs or working in coal mine messing up their lungs. They were providing for their families.

[@shea5542]

Thank you. Like let’s not degrade the entire moral compass of every man in existence through all of history.

[@CurltenOtidubor]

They did all that and still had mistresses.

[@user-lt1jd1ye3v]

I don’t think it’s true that men always had mistresses, most men and women were too busy working hard to have food and water to cheat.

[@Cybertech134]

@@shea5542 It says more about the morality of women when they would rather share one dude instead of finding a good man who may have less to settle down with.

[@shea5542]

@@Cybertech134 which is sad for them, and also sad for the men who make all these women jaded by sleeping with all of them and not committing to one. If the men at the top would stop sleeping around and commit to one woman, then the other women below would be forced to pick a match from their league

[@DigitalSwagg]

I'm a 53 year old retired medical professional who has an abundance of peace, quiet, freedom and finances. The quickest way to ruin this is with a woman, period.

[@AvocadoAtrocity]

I can't tell if this is cope or not 😢

[@Jimjam482]

You know deep deep down very deep down you’d love to find that special woman and feel truly loved and cared for. Don’t give up on finding a lovely caring soul ❤

[@lespaul1755]

Stay single

[@debbyshark1596]

Retired at 53 🤦‍♀️😅😅

[@Chris-xc1tm]

Same, but pick well and things are good.

[@marvinschumacher8549]

I am a Native American male who grew up dating mostly American (white) women. It always SUCKED. Then i started having relationships with European women. 2 French women, one Basque, and one Spanish woman. All the European women i met were FANTASTIC. Now i'm married to a very pretty, very charming French lady. I'm truly happy in life. All those years dating American women were such a waste of my life.

[@JoeBrown-bt4qg]

wow! I am a white American male, and i percieve white women to be the snottiest and most entitled and the least attractive. I always wondered what kind of guy lived up to their standards

[@axiomic]

The dream. And where do you now live?

[@juliusmcbean1611]

Social media has changed all these nonsense. So sad.

[@stevec3526]

I agree with you. My wife is an Asian foreign national.

[@devon5694]

We truly have the worst women in the world

[@coya8coy175]

One of the many issues I have with modern dating is people expecting their partner to entertain them 24/7. As the Dr. said, no one person can be your everything. Everyone should have a support network or community before entering a romantic relationship. I prefer a stable, healthy relationship without drama. People unfortunately consider it “boring” to have something consistent and stable and if the relationship isn’t exciting all the time. This is just not possible. We need to learn to appreciate contentment and the simple things; most of us will not live extraordinary lives.

[@kkaka26]

Lmao this is so true. Sometimes I feel like it’s better to be a bit boring on dates to see their comfortability with it lmao. If she is fine with the silences and doesn’t need to always be entertained, she’s someone you can try something with you know what i mean?

[@laumay7364]

@@kkaka26what was that? Sorry I wasn’t listening, I was entertaining myself. Continue 🫠😆

[@RJames-lb8dr]

​@kkaka26 yes wwll said and not staring day and night into those cancer mobile not so smart phones like most do

[@RJames-lb8dr]

I also prefer ladies who like love animals and family orientated girl next door types Not the tattoo party pout trout types prefer a normal less make up down to earth naturally caring sweet smile type more difficult to find in uk and west sadly

[@Lordani66]

"People unfortunately consider it “boring” to have something consistent and stable and if the relationship isn’t exciting all the time. " Sorry, let me correct that for you: " *WOMEN* unfortunately consider it “boring” to have something consistent and stable and if the relationship isn’t exciting all the time.

[@Nordic_Sky]

I like Orion, but he's off the mark when he states men have a ton of optionality online. While perhaps true for a very small minority of men, most men will struggle to get a woman interested in them at all online. The women are completely swamped, and a 5 quickly becomes convinced she is a 10.

[@camkret4113]

Most men will struggle to get a response that isn't a scammer or a bot lol

[@CDRFINANCE]

Only 4.5% get play as this is why women go on dating apps, to indulge a fantasy cloaked in deception and chaos

[@Nordic_Sky]

@johnsampson6387 Exactly. That's why guys need to head to SE Asia, where they are in short supply and have the power. Being a man there is like being a woman here. It takes some getting used to!

[@LoveQuestWithLisaConcepcion]

GET OFF THE APPS TO GET OFF IN LIFE

[@The-Oneness11]

I was on a dating app and yes I was swamped with attention. It didn't make me think I was anything other than average which I already thought I was. I think a lot of men don't know but many of us women are aware of how men view sexuality vs relationships particularly the women who grew up with fathers. For me a man trying to have sex with me isn't any kind of compliment because I know men will have sex with anything.

[@mikecamacho1934]

Give a person a little power and they reveal their true character. Now that women have this newfound power. This is their true character.

[@JulieMorales-kp4yc]

Lol OK. 😂😂😂

[@graceenstine1486]

Yes, we're no longer your slave

[@extremeresponsibility]

True. Woman have freedom without responsibility

[@graceenstine1486]

@@extremeresponsibility ? In what way? In that we don't have to cater to you anymore? We have our own money? We graduate college more than you do? Who is the one that stays when they have a child? That's pretty delusional man

[@ShinkuGouki]

Facts 💯 insanity has been unleashed on society. This is why so many cultures put restrictions on them. Even the bible warns.

[@thomasclarke6934]

More attractive opportunities with women as I age? I beg to differ, the dating pool is worse now and I have more to lose.

[@Yoshiecatattck]

This man is talking about the 1% of men who have looks and money to leverage unfortunately for majority of men in this economy in America this rhetoric doesn’t work but I think that may be to your benefit because if you stop playing this “red pill” games you may actually be able to meet someone who has similar values and morals that love you and the entire relationship isn’t based on transaction but mutual respect and admiration or at least I have. At the end of the day you have to forge your own path so I wouldn’t get stuck on podcasts like this even if they are interesting. Good luck out there

[@jrconway3]

@@Yoshiecatattck The "red pill" games is simply about not lying to men and telling them the truth of reality. Sounds like the "red pill game" you're thinking of is PUA which is a part of it, but not the whole. A good chunk of red pill is MGTOW.

[@edwardcoss6574]

The fact that you have more to lose is what now makes you more attractive. Starting out with nothing in your 20's you haven't accumulated anything, which gets you no response from women

[@SubvertTheState]

Hopefully, with that age, you have acquired enough wisdom and truths about human nature and the world to protect yourself. "This Red Pill nonsense" as called above, gives men NO PRESCRIPTIONS. It only tells men about female nature, and the risks in the law and marriage with women. Anyone who tries to keep the data and science from you has a different agenda, to put men back to sleep and dangle the unwinnable carrot in front of them of a lifelong partner who will love you as much as you love them and value loyalty, commitment and truth. If you want to be ignorant, that can be understandable, especially if you are already married. But in my opinion, it is morally wrong to not seek the truth. The Red Pill offers us the truth so that we can adjust our actions and plans according to what is most likely to be our reality.

[@meowmix1569]

Depends on if you're taking care of yourself. I get hit on by women older than me my age and 10 to 20 years younger. I have way more opportunity now in my early '40s then I did in my twenties.

[@rodneyrichardson8286]

Women don't kill relationships,they cut them short.they only want the excitement part of the relationship which is usually the beginning.once she feels it's starting to get boring for her,she's out of there.

[@leeolie3728]

True. Without the need for protection and provision, they can’t deal with the monotony of a relationship.

[@happygolucky9004]

Not true. Women get out of relationships that are not working. Just like men get out of relationships that are not working. Trying to stereotype all women and not treating them like people is why some women wouldn't want relationships with men.

[@tycerxyz7534]

I have never met a women like this. All the men I’ve known though have no concept of long term love. It really is just born out of avoidance. I do agree with him the dating pool is a cesspool though. If you didn’t find your love when you were young you’re kind of shit out of luck in your 40s.

[@LoveQuestWithLisaConcepcion]

Then keep growing together and setting challenging goals so it never gets boring.

[@The-Oneness11]

That's not all women.

[@vidman5000]

Dating is exactly like looking for a job. You put your best foot forward, mostly never hear back, and if by some miracle you do, you have to jump through hoops to be accepted. No wonder so many men have been disenfranchised and quit.

[@tonyadams8812]

''you have to jump through hoops to be accepted.'' If she's physically attracted to you , you don't have to jump through hoops!

[@RepentImmediately]

You want it to be easy but don't want women to be easy..... illogical

[@hussle2654]

​​@@tonyadams8812this is true, but the hamster wheel of KEEPING her interested becomes exhausting and too unrealistic thanks to what she sees every day on social media.

[@gigamaxextra]

Bottom 40% 💀

[@SunnyOfficialYT]

Wherever Orion goes..I will support him and the channels that interview him. Great stuff

[@orangeandslinky]

When I got married in the 70's, I wanted to leave a house, and have(work at) having a home. To us back then, a house, Apt was never seen as a home. It was a place to live until having a chance to have a home. A house was not a home without a wife. You found a wife because (for a man) you found THE ONE to love for life. No one including this Doctor, has a clue what I just said today.

[@Strafeyy]

Yeah, we do. But times have changed while you've stayed the same. You're not special, a lot of people like you out there.

[@orangeandslinky]

@@Strafeyy Oh not at all. I have changed. I was married for 35 years to a woman who I met in High school. I thought I could have a HOME with her and the son we had 2 years after we were married. When my wife and I were 60 years old, she just left our HOME before I got up in the morning and calmly filed for divorce. No discussion about divorce even came up in the 40 years I knew her. I never saw her or heard her voice ever again, and that happened 11 years ago. If she is alive somewhere, she is 71 right now as I am also. 2 male psychiatrists told me what happened here was very common in their practices. They said, we call this "The Walk Away Wife Syndrome." The man never sees it coming at all because there is no fighting or unusual problems in the marriage at all(from his point of view). The MDs said, your wife most likely divorced you EMOTIONALLY after the child was born to you both. You think you were married for 35 years, but to your wife, you were likely married for just over 2 years or so, but she stayed in the HOME all those years until your son was out on his own and married with children of his own. I had never heard of anything like this but it was common to the MDs. So times didn't change at all. I had to change from what I thought getting married meant, to the RED PILL truth. We didn't have computers to even hear discussions like are common today and every day. If men knew what we all know or are still confused about now, 10's of thousands of men would have never gotten married at all. There was no HOME to obtain with a wife and family at all. Women are the same as they always were, it's men who are changing with the knowledge of factual information from women's own videos explaining how they see men, marriage, children and themselves to everyone. Marriage is a one day party for a woman. The next party is having children. After that, there is nothing for a woman to do. Men do not write love songs to or for women anymore. Why? We know they can not love at all. So what is plan B? We never had a plan B. While men are thinking about it, we are NOT getting married to find a home and love and family, that's for sure.

[@JohannahArrington1908]

@@orangeandslinkyI would like permission to engage you respectfully. For reference, I have been married for decades and I have children. Most often, women suffer silently when needs are not being met after infinite requests have been made. After the children came, my husband went AWAL. He didn’t seem to like me or the children very much. He provided, but that was about it. I had to depend on my family and paid outsourcing. Women hope, pray and seek therapy until they can safely escape. Resentment builds to the point of no return. Men APPEAR surprised, befuddled and dumfounded because they were not present and didn’t pay attention and were unwilling to make necessary changes. I once planned a silent departure. The only difference was that I verbalized my grievances and gave my husband the opportunity for course correction of some unhealthy dynamics. He was willing. We will celebrate thirty mostly happy years on the 20th.

[@jrconway3]

@@orangeandslinky No fault divorce is what exposed this.

[@orangeandslinky]

@@jrconway3 well, I suppose your right.

[@AfterbrunchDelight]

God, it's so good to hear someone who speaks the truth! Like no, I'm not supposed to admit this in public, but I don't want a fat gf/wife that isn't feminine or slathered in tats. This guy gets it.

[@SquirrilahFish]

"Modern woman" and "honor" don't go in the same sentence in 2024.

[@gracefool]

Nor do men... as a culture we no longer believe in honor.

[@ErinThePsychicWitch]

We don’t want honor - we want freedom. After been forced brood maid for a couple thousand years - maybe you can understand why

[@gracefool]

@@ErinThePsychicWitch lol you've fallen hard for the propaganda and nonsensical rewriting of history. There's no such thing as a successful society where men and women don't work together as a team to raise the next generation.

[@handyman1016]

@@ErinThePsychicWitch You have freedom and SSRI's. Enjoy.

[@awsambdaman]

ErinThePsychicWitch life was equally as bad as men. Also don’t you feel kinda shameful when you feel like a victim for something you’ve never gone through? That would be like me taking credit for all inventions just cause they were invented by men..I myself didn’t do anything and you were never oppressed. I didn’t invent the light bulb and you were never not allowed to work or go to school. Stop taking victimhood status for other people’s oppression (women weren’t really oppressed though, not like blacks were)

[@reneemac111]

I am a trad- con 😀. Happy at that, just had a grandchild and married 41 years. The meaning of life is not tin sleeping around. It is nice to be on this journey called life , with a person that wants to commit.

[@RepentImmediately]

Married men do plenty of sleeping around

[@noFate_games2]

@@RepentImmediately So do married women, they just don't tell anyone.

[@gorgemensh974]

@@noFate_games2 funny joke 🤣

[@ImAgentK]

​@@gorgemensh974It isn't a joke.

[@axiomic]

Don't lower your standards to that of the common.

[@Drew.P.Todger]

That’s amazing to hear Orion say that he can’t live with women… even with everything he knows about men and women and relationships… that’s really reassuring because I thought I was weird or broken in some way. I’ve had loads of relationships and every time we’ve moved in together it’s fallen apart. I drive them mad because I always want space and a ‘long leash’ as he puts it… and they drive me mad because they’ve always been so needy. It’s the whole anxious/avoidant attachment style really… I hope one day I’ll meet a secure woman…

[@stevec3526]

He is talking about modern American women. I gave up on them 40 years ago. My wife is an Asian foreign national. He has high praise for Japanese women.

[@godislove4540]

That won’t happen unless you work on your insecure attachment style.

[@Drew.P.Todger]

@@godislove4540 I’ve started going to therapy.

[@voiceofexperience]

Before the internet enabled the existence of a "manosphere" discussion space, men used to exclusively blame either themselves or the individual female for their relationship problems. Now they are starting to know much more about universal female nature. Of course this is going to eventually impact on society.

[@broidkanymore-zc4lt]

no such thing as universal female nature, they're all different

[@vaughnwilliams1208]

All the happy men have left the west to get away from these terrible western women. The vast majority of women DO behave in the same way.

[@Harvest133]

​@@broidkanymore-zc4ltwrong. We are biological entities and there absolutely is general characteristics.

[@jth_printed_designs]

@@broidkanymore-zc4lt Yes, there is. Just as there is a universal male nature. Men universally want sex, that is our nature. Just because every woman isn’t exactly the same as the next doesn’t mean that there aren’t general universal truths about how women operate.

[@broidkanymore-zc4lt]

@@Harvest133 like?

[@trevorthetherapist4200]

55:53 Saying that men are afraid of women is like saying people are afraid of toxic waste or being stabbed in a dark alley. No need to be afraid. Just avoid what you do not care to engage with. 😅

[@NoReaSoN2CaR3]

Yeah, that part is just another aspect of older generations trying to paint younger generations as weak, lazy, cowards. Sorry, but shit has changed. There are plenty of “Courageous” men who are in prison for false accusations or paying ridiculous alimony and child support. But at least they’re brave🤡🤡

[@IfSemper]

Hearing Orion speak at length is a treat. Hope to see him as a repeat guest! Thanks, April L

[@marilynwarbis7224]

Very interesting! One thing that occurs to me when it comes to swapping sex for resources, is that men tend to focus more one-pointedly on one interest/hobby, whereas for women, "resources" include a broader spectrum, e.g. walks in nature, board-games in the evening, sharing the unwaged chores, time spent chatting together, time enjoying music or literature etc. together. We want all those things for an enjoyable, fulfilling partnership. Not a lot of men fulfill this broader spectrum which many women need. It ends up, we're freer on our own than tied to a one-dimensional hobby.

[@jamesmiracle9644]

I believe a lot of women think that they don’t want to be led…and think that it’s demeaning and it becomes a power struggle unless you’re way out of her league

[@mrsherwood2599]

Many will actually express that wish but when they get it they hate it and have to break it.

[@jamesmiracle9644]

@@mrsherwood2599 yep that’s for sure

[@matthewsilva8617]

Truth..it’s bizarre to see the respect and subordination to their father but the disrespect and contempt they show to the man they married and had kids with..might let her go play house with daddy soon..

[@matthewsilva8617]

@@em7937 thanks for femsplaining your assumptions of me..I’m a blue collar worker and great father. I had a house before I met her, have been in long term relationships since I was 13, am now 35. I do all the cooking, cleaning, and fixing. She does the bills and laundry. I buy flowers once a week and put them on the table, I’m constantly reassuring her anxiety, I’m constantly handling the “emotional labor” y’all are so concerned about. I have done nothing wrong, and basically everything right by the book..I have absolutely earned the respect of my peers and family, and thought I had hers. Until about a year or so ago when she changed her tune and dried up like a desert. She became cold and distant. I tell her she’s gorgeous and try to touch her shoulder to get her to look at me, and she hits my hand away. So yeah what’s your advice doc? Or are you just an angry woman scorned by fuckbois? See I can assume shit too..

[@matthewsilva8617]

@@em7937 your misandry is pungent

[@dave4737]

I could not think of a more socially destructive idea than GIG relationships how worthless then are we all.

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

Look at the divorce rates. And who’s filing. We’ve already been in GIG marriages. IE “starter husband”

[@lelamaciolek1166]

I’m glad somebody else thinks so.

[@sittowardi6781]

@@mowtivatedmechanic1172what is GIG?

[@somedandy7694]

@@sittowardi6781 A "gig" is a temporary, often 1-and-done job.

[@The_Real_Casey_Timmins]

I agree. I see Dr. Taraban speaks many truths, but it’s from the mouth of a many who doesn’t want a close relationship. His words. Truths can be tainted. Gig relationships work for him. Gig relations would be a downfall. Relationship dynamics should be biologically based and socially constructed. To accuse the East of not being socially constructed as he did is also misguided.

[@georgesontag2192]

My gosh how complicated it is to find, enjoy and keep a woman. You have to be her best option, you have to keep her with staying her first option. She will always be looking for a better deal. She will stay looking all her life. Even if she is married. She is still looking. I question if a woman is worth this constant pressure to get one. They never seem to stay, or they just cheat.

[@jasonbooberry8363]

That's why you don't marry them to begin with. Women always look for the best deal they can possibly get. Realistically as an average guy you'll only be her best deal for a year or two if even that. But there's good news. Stay alone and leave her with nothing.

[@HANZELVANDERLAAY]

​@@jasonbooberry8363solid ending..I like it..nd get a dog

[@laturista1000]

Unless she is 200 lbs, twice divorced, suffering from terminal illness and over 40 and single with kids. Then she has to settle for a guy. Modern women today need to be humbled by life to become decent partners in a stable relationship. Women who are hot and in their 20s never settle and are very disagreeable. But it ha to get to that point first.

[@lordgrim355]

@@jasonbooberry8363I agree. I think men and women should just leave each other alone. Like be friends but anything Involving romance or such should just not happen. Just a waste of time

[@98gmc1500]

I don’t need games in my life, one and done, married and divorced, would never do it again or live with another woman again.

[@one100billneoone4]

Amen King.

[@one100billneoone4]

Same here. It’s been almost 3 years and it’s been wonderful. My net worth has increased quite nicely ever since. Peace, tranquility and happiness…PRICELESS.

[@arcamarmoricarcamarmoric1477]

Me 2

[@picklerix6162]

I have already fallen off the turnip truck once. It won’t happen again.

[@lihong9389]

Bitter

[@duraace2053]

Orion triggers a lot of people, but its because deep down we all know he's right. Great insight as always from Psychacks.

[@KD400_]

When u say people u mean women. It's the women who are triggered. Orion speaks from a neutral standpoint and still women get mad lol

[@TylerHolmes148]

Agreed. The teller of the truth often gets slammed as if he created the truth.

[@TylerHolmes148]

@@KD400_slightly disagree. I have no doubt it’s more women than men who get triggered, but there are a lot of men living within an idealistic gynocentric utopia as well.

[@efhfejhfjskfnsdkfnweakhrcw]

He's single and doesn't want to live with a woman. Why do people listen to him? It's worrying because he might encourage others to stay single with his views. Dating isn't meant to be a game; it's about exploring and having fun while learning.

[@ibdunny]

I'm not even close to being triggered. My hope was there was more men and women like this. I feel relieved and refreshed by him. Women hate the truth because they don't need to be told it in order to grow and get what you need. Women get catered to far more than us so no need for truth.

[@drizzle452]

It just seems to me that there is a scarcity of mature young adults with no realistic vision on what a good partner looks like. Young people are wired to be entertained to death-be it in the sexual, lifestyle, social or material forums. If you chase those things, it will never be enough. Placing the principle burden of your happiness on another human being is devoid of wisdom and emotional intelligence.

[@aristark559]

sadly true. but at the same time, its a deep human need to connect, and part of it is, to identify with your partner. its not something you chose, its something that happens to you

[@BecomeUncancellable]

It has been really fun watching all the old red pill talking points go from being totally verboten ..to basically totally acceptable. Some people act like it's just the embracing of those old points by academia and the language associated with it, but I think it also became completely undeniable. Anyone in the "dating" pool these days gets red pilled by default, basically.

[@swisscheese412]

Facts

[@VaronPlateando]

rd.pll is utterest realism, rooting on both anecdotical evidence, and scientific theory (evo.psych, socio.scientific, ...).

[@user-lt1jd1ye3v]

Red pill is devoid of the concept of romance. Romance is reality. Red pillers just live without it so it’s more of a sad lonely bitter existence.

[@idid1866]

Bingo

[@albertvirgil4471]

Dr. Taraban you are just AWESOME!

[@marguskiis7711]

He cynical abuser of Red Pill losers.

[@Strafeyy]

Disagree. I'm yet to find ANYONE, including you, that has a counter argument to any of his points. All you people do is throw stones.

[@Taytay_79]

I am concerned that man who says he doesn’t know if he could live with a woman or be in a room together;but not interact, is giving marriage advise… Marriage is not about you always being on. It’s about self sacrifice and growing together. No one is always on,happy or fulfilled. That does not mean marriage is bad and woman need to except less than full commitments. I here a lot of selfishness being upheld in this conversation. This is a reflection of society today and exactly why people are single and lonely. I’m 20 years married and no it’s not perfect, but I always have someone who has my back as I has his. My kids have seen us go through life together for good and bad. They have the benefit of what working together and commitment looks like. I’m so sad that this is the dating world they are in now. Hope they find like minded spouses that will love and challenge them to be balanced blessed and better day by day, not just aesthetically. Too much of these points are temporary and fleeting.

[@godislove4540]

My thoughts exactly. He’s just a reflection of this toxic and vacuous society and just because he’s a licensed psychologist, it doesn’t mean that he’s a healthy person psychologically.

[@nickharris9218]

No society has ever survived a sexual revolution

[@fredrikberggren8510]

sounds about right but are there any data, would love to read about it.

[@learningisfun2108]

Name a society of the past that had a sexual revolution.

[@nickharris9218]

@@learningisfun2108 please read en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_Culture

[@wintergirl8]

Wtf are you on about 😂😂😂

[@nickharris9218]

@@fredrikberggren8510 read sex and culture by JD Unwin. Most seminal piece of sociology in modern history, considered the Bible for anyone who wants to understand the sociological cycles of societal collapse

[@Toxic-skeptic1]

Women overvalue their sexual value. Especially when 75% of women are overweight. The definition of love is interesting. What he said reflects my beliefs of what love is.

[@bobbym6130]

After going through divorce alimony after being a loyal provider and husband i cannot advise men to blindly put themselves in a similar position. But i also think kids and family are the most important thing and having parents at home is essential. I think negotiation is right right solution. More prenumps, more disclosures, more loyalty. Non monogamy is not a healthy way forward for culture.

[@thecrimsonraven707]

The legal institution of marriage and divorce laws contributed to this mess we find ourselves in.

[@andre1987eph]

You weren't "LOYAL". You were on autopilot.

[@andre1987eph]

​@@thecrimsonraven707you misspelled feminism

[@thenutrientwhisperer3700]

Yeah, more prenups to protect the woman from the stingy old money, lying husband😝

[@Cryboutet]

​@@thenutrientwhisperer3700you seem triggered because probably you know females would go broke if prenup happens

[@oneofthoseguys2019]

Every girl i ever met is ran through

[@grim789]

Western*

[@LongBeeyatchGTR]

Sorry. I'm partly responsible for this unexplainable phenomenon.

[@Al-ph6gl]

Sorry bro

[@avishnevsky7394]

​@@LongBeeyatchGTR it happens with boys from fatherless homes, especially when mother is part of this phenomenon. Have a good day, mr. Jokiee

[@wilcoxtam810]

@@grim789 All*

[@Giofasho]

For men: 12:49: reality of modern dating 19:55: wait later in life to commit 1:04:04: bold behavior for short term relationships

[@cuts240]

I dated many strippers and call girls /escorts- their immense need for drama and the vastness of their hurt makes it in the end - an awful experience ( btw - living in Las Vegas does not help either…)

[@sunfish4095]

😂 What were expecting, mother terresa.

[@gregorylatta8159]

Thanks for the heads up 😆

[@kingscairn]

That's what you get when not ending ' that relationship ' ( hookup ) that night

[@wintergirl8]

I feel like your sample is not representative of the general population somehow. Since you dated "many" strippers and sex workers, I'm curious to know what it was about them, as a group, that you wanted to date them and continue to do so?

[@ppumpkin3282]

Sounds like Charlie Sheen.

[@cullenkehoe5184]

The Dr hinted at this. Industrial Revolution killed village life. But we seemed to have liked village life. Women had a huge support network in a village. In a large urban city they have little (ditto for a suburb). For a while they had the church. Now most don't have that. So women have all these needs for a community and a large support network and they put all of this onto men. It happened slowly though over last 180 years. First it was Jane Austen lovey dovey books. Then Gothic Romances from Bronte sisters. Then a little later Hollywood movies. All slowly adding a bit more to this idea that all of a woman's emotional needs and otherwise should be placed into her husband's shoulders (because where else is she supposed to put them). She used to put this onolto a village of people. Now she puts all of her needs and hopes and dreams onto her husband and he already has a day job (literally). So our culture sets women up for major disappointment in life. But who gets thr blame? Hubby! It's his fault for not making her happy. You could argue its the Industrial Revolution's fault. But with women they aren't logical and you can rarely reason with them. They just don't feel fulfilled. So they divorce that guy or complain and tell their daughter and nieces and younger coworkers never to trust a man (resulting in the situation we have today where young women have been told they don't need no man and will shout it from the rooftops).

[@unc1221]

Deeper, this is European colonizations fault. Y’all’s system doesn’t work. It’s why we’ve been in war for centuries.

[@laughattack1204]

Women do need to be crazy 💯

[@juliahowe8180]

what are you on about. children learn really quick not to trust men when their dad or mom's bf is beating the crap out of their mom. Boys too. They see women getting brutalized and know thats a threat. Women dont need to tell lurid stories. It exists in the child's lived experience.

[@unc1221]

@@juliahowe8180 but a dog and go recruit other women for your feminist cause

[@cullenkehoe5184]

@@juliahowe8180 I don't know what you are talking about. My father never touched my mother like that. Nor did anyone I knew. My wife and I have a peaceful existence together. What nonsense are you trying to spin about all men?

[@lancewestveer8677]

Don't care. Quit dating. Life is awesome.

[@whiffy506]

Been out of the dating market for a decade now, things are looking more grim than ever, and trending down. Good luck to all men out there daring to face the odds.

[@petermendelsohn4944]

If I remember the statistic that Rollo mentioned, a man has to make about 54.5% more than the wife. If it slips below that, the divorce statistics (filed by the wife, of course) go way up.

[@eohrefare7346]

The more I think about human mating dynamics, the more disillusioning it is.

[@truzle6133]

This is just his opinion based on the limited number of people that he's worked with. It isn't necessarily "correct". You don't have to take what he's saying as gospel

[@JohnCash001]

As a 40 something year old I am so happy that dating in my early years didn't have the problem of so much social media and smart phones.. I really was able to connect more back then.. now we are in uncharted territory..Problems never experienced in human history with dating.

[@strykert2007]

I’m just gonna stay single. To many woke feminists about these days.

[@prism9926]

Orion is killing it on the marketing these days

[@lisalinnow4402]

I am half way through this conversation about relationships and dating and I have not heard the word "love" mentioned much but I have heard the word "game" used alot. Has anyone thought that maybe this is the problem? That relationships with others are seen as a game to win rather than people coming together just because they love each other and share each others life values? And putting monetary value on a relationship? Really? That is a sure recipe for disaster.

[@vatosolo9230]

Tina Turner said it best in her song, "What's Love Got To Do With It".

[@natashadickson4819]

​@@vatosolo9230 Exactly. Men are looking for youth, beauty and domestic labor. What love?

[@stevec3526]

A woman actually loving a man is very rare now days.

[@wicket_gate]

By the way, Love (by society standards) means two different things for man and women. For men, it’s a heroic thing of sacrifice, protection and praise for his woman. For a woman, it’s take, tar and take more. Me me me me

[@kthxpls]

Love does not exist, it's all chemicals. You are romanticizing feelings, seeking romance seeing things how they should be and not on how they actually are.

[@jeremiahsk8nsurf174]

All men pay, but discount for the more attractive quote = women make rules for betas and break them for alphas

[@stephanarizona9094]

One of the few ways Dating Apps could work is every profile you look at, you score 1-10, whatever your score is, you can ONLY view matches -1/+1 of your score, if you are a 5 woman, you can ONLY view 4-6 men. If your a 8 man, you can ONLY view 7-9 women. You need to eliminate the unlimited selection of people outside your league. This would prevent women thinking they are 10's and would stop Top Tier men from running through women.

[@Skelfi]

Quite good idea. Bur a man can change +2/-2 points by things that are not based on looks.

[@markrcca5329]

43:00 agreed! In my own case, my wife makes only about 25% less than I do, and I actually like that because if we were to divorce (not that I'm planning to do that, but hypothetically speaking) she would not be granted any spousal support from a divorce court. That's a healthy balance for a relationship.

[@dreas9236]

I used to put women on a certain pedestal. Since I stopped doing that, I no longer have the vibe of wanting to talk to or date women. My interest has disappeared. However, it bores me in a way and feels dry and empty, as if a certain spice and energy is missing, apart from just working and being dull.🙂

[@efhfejhfjskfnsdkfnweakhrcw]

You shouldn't idolize anyone, regardless of their gender. Finding a partner is meant to be challenging, which is what makes it so special when you meet someone you genuinely enjoy spending time with. I met my husband after going through many disappointments, and when he came along, I was incredibly grateful! Be patient and approach each opportunity with enthusiasm. I'm confident you'll meet a wonderful person. Keep dating without expectations, and when you're ready, it will happen. Best of luck to you.

[@dreas9236]

@@efhfejhfjskfnsdkfnweakhrcw Thanks for the positive answer. Well, I had a relaxed date today and it was very nice, relaxed, humorous and we enjoyed the weather, the pink sky like Monet painted it. Now your beautiful words that describe exactly what happened to me today. I don't know what's next and I'm not thinking about it now. So much for the first date. I wrote my first comment like this because I often experience that something seems lost. The French philosopher and writer Roland Barthes once wrote: "Frightened because I don't know how to find my way back to the generosity of my life - or to love. How to love?” Barthes describes not the loss of faith in love, but the loss of interest in it. I felt that sometimes because the world seemed so lacking in resonance and love, so functional. I think this can happen because we are going through difficult times in some things. The romantic aspect of interpersonal relationships is often a bit lost these days and I understand why so many negative things are written and videos made about dating. I thank you and wish you a happy time too.

[@efhfejhfjskfnsdkfnweakhrcw]

@@dreas9236 Thank you for sharing Barthes' beautiful writing-it's wonderful to hear about your positive first meeting. I encourage you to keep dating even during challenging times. When you find the right person, you'll feel comfortable being vulnerable and honest about any situation in life. This person will understand and support you. It may take many dates to find them, but consider each one as an opportunity to learn and grow. Love and connection are abundant in the world; you just need to tune into it. Surround yourself with positivity, approach others with love, and be a beacon of spreading love yourself. By doing so, you'll naturally attract it back. Best of luck with your dating journey!

[@letsthinkbriefly3761]

Also one more advice. If you want to meet the right person, you need to become a person of self reflection and self awareness. A person of depth. You become this you will easily discern and deduce all the wrong womens that does not feed your values and depth. And you will meet the right one and you will know and be patient with her.

[@MikeS-7]

I only do friendships with the ladies now. I am very clear about that with my lady friends. The ones who want more move along and the ones who are cool with stick around. It's nice to have that feminine energy around and leave it when you part for the day. My view, and I am up front with it, I cannot afford to be fleeced a second time. I can live a comfortable retirement. If I put myself in a vulnerable position where the women's court system can fleece me again then it's game over. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze. It's a bad transaction. It was always a bad transaction.

[@parkerstoltz8995]

The new car analogy needs some work. Women don’t just “test drive” a man briefly at the beginning of a relationship. It’s ongoing and sometimes relentless. This really turns men off in a society where millions of women will spread there legs immediately to the first man who smiles at them then turn around and cause drama with a man she wants to be in a relationship with.

[@Cybertech134]

Women aren't supposed to test drive. That's a man's job.

[@NeoCynics]

As Thomas Sowell said "there are no solutions only tradeoffs". Men are taking the blinders off and disconnecting the cart. We are finally valuing ourselves and refusing to be used like a form of employment. Choose freedom not servitude fellas.

[@ousamaabdu794]

One of the best things I've ever heard.. Makes sense on so many diffrrnt levels

[@valdius85]

Every men can become a competent lover if he digest good content and is with a woman who happily let him practice and who will give him feedback. It’s not that complicated.

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

This stuff they are talking about with the older guys having mistresses is exactly why there is this discrepancy between single young men and single young women.

[@wolfsfroth]

Literally the source of the problem and he’s advocating for more of it or more openly. Cultural enforcement of monogamy is what puts side rails on bad male/female behavior. A good fulfilling marriage is what everyone wants. We need to focus on how to have great, fulfilling marriages.

[@xxxxxxxx8903]

@@wolfsfroth Agreed. On an individual level it makes sense to be prepared for the worst, but advocating for people to keep behaving badly doesn't seem like a great solution. Sure, if you're a rich and powerful guy you will be able to find a woman who tolerates cheating, but is that truly what men want? Orion said it, he KNOWS women hate it when their husband cheats. If someone you love cheats, it hurts like hell. Thing is, mistresses are generally tolerated in societies where people don't expect to love their spouse. If you don't love your spouse it hurts a lot less. Very few women will be able to stay long-term with a cheating man if she loves him. If she is there for his resources only its a different story. Generally speaking, man or woman, if you want to find and sustain love you need to live in a way that protect's your significant other's heart. You can't expect to hurt them in the worst ways possible and for that union to be very joyful.

[@MinuteBracelet]

@@wolfsfrothwomen obviously don’t want it enough or else they wouldn’t be buying, and most men who manage to jump through the gargantuan number of hoops and expend all the effort women require of men to take them seriously nowadays aren’t going to be satisfied with the payoff be just one woman who maybe has been ran through herself. That’s the core of orion’s point. I’m a religious man and I want to be in a healthy marriage with one woman who is mutually devoted but at the rate things are going for me and the effort I’m putting in, even I can admit that I might not be able to live up to this ideal of mine. At minimum it seems that I have to violate my own chastity (and i have a few times) just to get the experience to be considered for marriage by a woman to begin with.

[@LARA-sg4bt]

@@wolfsfrothdude you’re wrong. Monogamy is not the only relationship type and being promiscuous is not bad behavior

[@gdub8568]

@@LARA-sg4bt Until she gets pregnant and now it's dysfunctional family or abortion time, both are destructive. You can't separate sex from child bearing.

[@Katarzyna-h2z]

Optionality is main problem in modern dating, illusion of endless choice leads to social disaster in the end.

[@CubanLibertarian]

“Manipulation has a bad connotation, but it just means: to handle skillfully” -BARS!!!

[@lindsaypeek63]

Manipulation is witchcraft

[@christinamckinney2370]

I’m a 35 year tradwife with 8 children and I’ve never felt less than my husband.

[@alisabelove6254]

I have it all, Im 50. I got married at 19 (I was almost 20) we have been married 30 years. I stayed at home with our 4 children, all had before age 30. Then i went to college part-time as my children got older. I now have a great marriage, great children amd great; grandchildren, I make a great salary which adds to my husbands already great salary. The only thing that holds women back is trusting a man wont leave her if she commits when she is young. Find a trustworthy man you are attracted to when you are young, the rest will naturally work out with time and work.

[@eotikurac]

if your marriage is great, why are you here, watching this video?

[@alisabelove6254]

@@eotikurac why can't someone with a great marriage watch youtube videos? By that logic your life sucks because you are responding to a comment on KZbin.

[@eotikurac]

@@alisabelove6254 but it's not just any video. out of all videos on youtube, you picked this one? this means you watch videos like this often. something is bothering you. that's fine, just stop pretending.

[@alisabelove6254]

@@eotikurac Nothing is bothering me. You assume a lot about someone you don't know. Bigger question, why is it bothering you? Are you upset that I have a great life and you don't? Are you disappointed in your own choices? People watch videos on KZbin for all kinds of reasons just because you can't figure out why I would doesn't mean anything except... you are reaching... wanting something to be wrong.... projecting internal dialog onto a stranger.. that's interesting.

[@eotikurac]

@@alisabelove6254 you're incredibly obtuse.

[@redrustyhill2]

I've dated several dozen whamen. Every single one has been the one to end the "relationship". I am not short, not fat, not ugly, not alcoholic, no drugs, ive always had a job, usually 2, not abusive. Every relationship was going good until that day they stop responding, gone and ghosted.

[@ssehe2007]

Yeah. Same here. Then I went to Europe. I ended the relationships when things weren’t great. Fell In love and actually experienced erotic love. Look for love beyond America, my man.

[@redleeks6253]

You were playing outside of your league or didnt assess the league correctly.

[@redrustyhill2]

@@redleeks6253 you're making assumptions.

[@Ario2601]

are you the boring type/the invisible type/the chad/the funny one/the geek one etc. in the room? It’s hard for online strangers to give feedback to you without sufficient enough information about your persona.

[@redrustyhill2]

@@Ario2601 i am not looking for "feedback" from random online know it alls.

[@jules14spino]

If it's broken it's cause we're broken... therefore there is no middle ground to be found. Two broken people cannot have a healthy relationship period!

[@Mmoselle1983]

Agreed. It’s at the point of no return and no amount of wishful thinking will reverse the inevitable. The inevitable being the collapse of Western culture. We’ve been circling the drain for decades and knew we could’ve pumped the brakes at any time to fix all this. We chose not to. Too inconvenient and uncomfortable to change our posh American lives for the sake of a better future.

[@happygolucky9004]

Very very true. I think you hit on something critical. So many speakers talk about men and women like either one are the problem. Most people have emotional or mental damage which causes even more issues for a dating market with low responsibility.

[@teriv2749]

Thank you for saying this. I was trying to understand his perspective but it feels like a method to coddle those that want to have their cake and eat it too. It’s not as complicated as he’s making it to be in a committed marriage. I’ve only been married 7 years we have 1 son. Many struggles but at the end of the day we’re on the same team. I’m not religious but I do believe in an equal amount of respect. 95% commitment doesn’t really sound like it aligns with respecting one’s self, much less their partner.

[@ardour1587]

​@@teriv2749 Phhh...thank you for the comment. More I listen to all these different pros on relationships, more I become confused. I mean, how we even survived as a species if stupud mating is so damn complicating. Nucklear physics starting to look more easy in comparison to simple dating.

[@oambitiousone7100]

Marriage is not a village: that’s Esther Perel.

[@efhfejhfjskfnsdkfnweakhrcw]

Marriage requires significant effort, collaboration, and finding fulfillment in sharing everyday routines. If you lack patience, collaborative skills, conflict resolution abilities, and always prioritize yourself, then marriage may not be suitable for you.

[@tfilmyr]

Relationships = Economics. Always has been, always will be.

[@gregadler8628]

"Do you understand?" x 100 "Does that make sense?" x 50

[@erico7655]

Since I read this comment, I can't unhear it now lol.

[@gorrilaboy21]

I mean he was a teacher 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@demven04]

Can listen to Orion indefinitely. Thank you so much for this interview.

[@jameskamotho7513]

Likewise...

[@marguskiis7711]

Don't wonder if private life is going down into disaster then.

[@robbytheartist3997]

When he said that alot of women want a man to lead, I think about my controlling Ex with BPD. She wanted control out of the fear of losing me... It cost her the whole marriage. I was always there, I was always making moves and keeping us stable. Her trauma killed her marriage. PLEASE!!!! get help if you have BPD or any other personality disorder this goes for men and women!!!!

[@elsh332]

As a woman who recovered from BPD, then married a man with BPD under the impression that he wanted to recover, I agree. BPD is a serious disorder that annihilates everything and everyone in its pathway unless the sufferer actually does something about it and gets help. My marriage blew up after police came and saved me from a man who said he loved me but ran my ragged and finally held a fist to my face, distressing not only me but my children who witnessed it and my neighbours who also endured being exposed to the whole ordeal. My little street is generally a quiet space, so it was mortifying to all of us. One neighbour is an ex bikey and made it very clear what he'll do if my now ex shows back up in our street. You can't rescue someone with BPD, you can only support and encourage them when they decide they want to get better themselves.

[@kingscairn]

​@@elsh332you dont have emotional relationships with the mentally ill - you take care of them - if youre medically qualified

[@phearz0r]

This guy Orion has a great elegance and smooth delivery that lands very well. Only 35 minutes in and blown away so far. Familiar with the general tone of his content, but his delivery is well polished.

[@garrettp6942]

Host did great job of not interupting or talking fluff. Good job . Keep up this format.

[@eternalgenju4508]

"You let em hit it rough. You didn't have second thoughts. Now you a single mom."

[@EtoCobra]

raw*

[@natashadickson4819]

Give the child support. You are the father.

[@robingow7276]

I don’t think the idea of the “gig” relationship will work out like you think. In fact what we have right now is the gig relationships. It is working out for men? Here’s the kicker it’s not working out for anyone.

[@brytankak9598]

Newsflash for this guy: as soon as gig relationships become "the norm" over monogamy and marriage women will back out of them so quick men's heads will spin. Women only entertain these now hoping for marriage and commitment long term.

[@devilmaycry9969]

@@brytankak9598 Did you see the ad from bumble? Celibacy isn't the answer. 4B movement is coming to the west.

[@DanielRicany]

I think the biggest problem is that society has taught men to pursue women when biologically, it’s probably that the women needed to pursue the men. After all, who is the one providing more value?

[@gonnacry4513]

But then there's this issue that if women pursue men, they don't GENERALLY pursue based on who is husband material, but on the basis of what is the best they can get among those who provide sexual attention. That is why they overall go for those men who are out of their league. Then those men don't commit.

[@lelamaciolek1166]

So you’re in love with yourself? Please don’t chase women and please don’t take any offers from them at this point.

[@ot23234]

Evolutionarily, men chased women. Whether the women wanted it or not. Everything for the past 10,000 years has been against our genetics, but it's needed for civilization. Probably.

[@RepentImmediately]

Men generally provide essentially no value in terms of personal relationships. I abstained from dating for 11 years....my life only improved. I randomly met a great guy last year so I dating again at 41. But generally speaking, only about 1% of men are worth dating. I've been observing men from all walks of life for a long time now.

[@Singletary25]

😂😂😅😅😂😂 #4B

[@LotusHart01]

We talk about rights. Women’s rights, men’s rights, your rights, my rights. We omit responsibilities. Women’s responsibility, men’s responsibility, your responsibility, my responsibility. My issue with feminism that we aren’t maintaining reasonable boundaries on how far women’s rights, for example, can go before harming society instead of enhancing it. We have a responsibility to one another as citizens in a collective society. We should be filtering our collective rights in relation to what’s best for civilization at large and encourage individual responsibility toward maintaining western values, not eroding them. In order to form a more perfect union… Of course we want to be inclusive and offer life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But never cross the threshold of when a right for one has the right of another. Like a biological male trans person competing in a biological female league.

[@portraitofman2063]

Lets be honest here, we only omit responsibilities for women...we never let up on what men are to do and be responsible for.

[@RepentImmediately]

The West was built on destroying other cultures so what values are you talking about?

[@bdtrap]

"...we omit responsibilities..."

[@markuslandington2593]

A family is the basic building block of the world. Without the family unit, societies and hence the world, will break down.

[@malekkushimuzik3580]

I advise men to focus on themselves and avoid anything between 25 and 50, especially if she was not raised by a quality father.

[@davedsilva]

So you are saying 51 year old women are good 😂

[@RepentImmediately]

Is that why so many men pursue children?

[@6utS]

@@RepentImmediately 18-24yo is prime for woman, young but adult women are where it is, most feminine, can still be molded, less ran tru, less bagage and less attitude

[@devilmaycry9969]

Most women raised by good fathers wont want a man who is 50 and up.. Who is washed up old man with ED.

[@peteinthepocket9208]

People underestimate the value of a good father

[@silversoulawakening9195]

I am so enjoying ‘catching up’ with the conversation regarding relationships being had by men. It’s refreshingly honest, to the point. Thank You. In my observation women certainly tend to overcomplicate relationship & dating. Energy never lies. I enjoy meeting and mingling with those I am energetically drawn to. It goes beyond the superficial & vain aspects. Stay curious my friends.

[@augustwolf9250]

The west can’t be saved

[@Youdontwantnonebyatch]

Orion tarraban is the ultimate dark horse judging by his own narrative. I devour all his content! theres nothing else like it out there of this pedigree or caliber. (Everyone else is just some red pill pick up artist at best or joke of a dating coach )

[@troublein8597]

He’s definitely the truth. All we have to do is accept and the more willingly the better

[@letsthinkbriefly3761]

I agree on that. But also know that he has to bottle and sell it, cuz that's how he gets paid.

[@bazz8845]

True. As long as the process doesn't dilute the product, I respect that.

[@Strafeyy]

He is red pill, made a whole video on it.

[@Youdontwantnonebyatch]

@@Strafeyy red pill in this case is seeing intersexual relationships for what it is. Thats not a diss. Thats just true. Also he is a psy D. Not a PUA in Bulgaria

[@danielleroy99]

Where is genuine spiritual love in all of this, that's not just based on sexual market place crap? It seems so cold to me.

[@kevinjewell3498]

Well spoken!

[@danhorton1877]

great injury is done by lovers to loved ones. thus the ugliness of divorce.

[@wicket_gate]

It’s most men who care about the spiritual aspect

[@justathinker8669]

It doesn't exist in reality.

[@skiaddict08]

Nothing isn’t spiritual

[@michah321]

Awful lot of guys over 30 who camt find a girlfriend to justify this theory

[@Toni12121]

100% agree that men should be adored for it to last forever! The choice is yours. If I am wrong and until then, be my guest!

[@1bizjets]

This is what we get when we leave God out of our lives.

[@timothyblazer1749]

No, Christian women do precisely the same things. In fact, men are starting to leave the churches because of this, and the pandering.

[@Edmond347]

Which one? Thor, Zeus, Vishnu, Buddha, Yahveh, Jesus or another one.

[@timothyblazer1749]

@@Edmond347 Marduk, Shiva, The Great Eagle, Hel, Old Scratch, Diana, Hestia.....

[@Theonly_Onyx]

Amen

[@John-cz4ow]

​@@Edmond347 He is talking about the only real God: Jesus. The one that made this country the greatest in the world because Christianity was the dominant religion. As soon as we as a country decided to indulge in sinful behavior, everything started to fall apart.

[@tomdoingfunstuff]

Heck yeah thanks for hosting the doc! Subbed

[@matthewsilva8617]

This dude says exactly what Andrew Tate says, just way nicer and with a PhD

[@staciacrick3373]

Oh, then they are both misogynists

[@SchrödingersMath]

​@@staciacrick3373no.....Not really....Dr. Taraban could simply be honest , telling people a practical truth...that does not make it MISOGYNIST

[@staciacrick3373]

@@SchrödingersMathThe Andrew Tate comparison

[@SchrödingersMath]

@@staciacrick3373 Andrew Tate is kind of toxic....I would not compare him to Orion..Dr. Taraban seems to be legit shrink/ therapist....

[@matthewsilva8617]

@@staciacrick3373 yes, you are correct. Psychology hates women. It holds y’all accountable.

[@stevenlawrence5733]

I don't want the game to continue. I'd like to settle on just winning at getting what I want.

[@thecrimsonraven707]

Exactly. I laughed when he said that.

[@senzudude]

Found this guy’s channel RIGHT when he started it. I knew from the get go that he is gonna go far.

[@nathanbutcher7720]

Men aren't designed to form relationships. We don't bear children and therefore don't actually need them. We're designed to "spread the seed' and that's basically the start and end of it. We all know this deep down, but we keep telling ourselves and keep being told by others that we need to have girlfriends and relationships and families and kids and "be in love"... and all of that just gets men into a whole lot of trouble where we just get enslaved by the systems set up to exploit all of that.

[@RepentImmediately]

Believe it or not, women don't need children or relationships.

[@cultofhercules]

Hit the nail on the head, it's up to society to demand more investment from a guy for having sex. Male sexuality is designed to push boundaries, female sexuality to set them...

[@zvcno]

i like what u wrote

[@ScissorN]

This why your dad left you? So woman supposed to raise kids alone? Im sorry but not even animals act this way they stick around and train them kids so what are you cause even demons stick around😮

[@nathanbutcher7720]

​@@ScissorN Some women want to raise kids alone without a father around. They want to be the ones to influence their children, and not the father. Don't be so myopic to think that women even want to let a man try and raise their kids. Doesn't make sense does it? But it happens all the time, especially in divorce. Of course you're doing the right thing by the children in wanting to stick around - but it doesn't always work out like that for a lot of men - and biologically we probably weren't even designed to.

[@0bsolet]

This is a manifesto that stands as a definitive guide to the strange new world of dating in 2024. I for one, just do friends with benefits. I don't have problems and I have lots of fun and pleasant moments. More than this is not worth for me. Each one should use discernment and choose your own adventure.

[@marguskiis7711]

Good for you and stop whining online.

[@CManoyUragon]

YES.. IT'S BECAUSE OF THEIR NON STOP RAMPANT CHEATING BEHAVIOR WHICH RUINED MANY RELATIONSHIPS, THEN THEY BLAME MEN FOR THEIR OWN MISTAKES.. IT'S REALLY SAD BUT TRUE.. 🤔

[@kellykinion5033]

Something not talked about much is if you make it to the change of life for a woman they can go off the rails and throw the relationship away over night

[@justathinker8669]

Completely changed my life for her. Then she threw it away and went with someone else.

[@theangelwearsprana1869]

The trends have shifted and spiritual goals like self realization are taking priority in peoples minds and hearts.

[@INXIETE]

I really appreciate his perspective-as an INTJ, I completely agree. It's unfortunate, though, that women often say I lack emotional intelligence when I lean on logic.

[@ukaszwrobel1145]

Listening to the doctor is like soothing, good whiskey for the soul. No one puts into words so well what I instinctively see and feel, but at the same time I can't name it.

[@Strafeyy]

I can. Truth.

[@consciouscrypto3090]

I have a friend who has what I consider the ideal marriage, but she's so unhappy about it. Like her marriage is the one kind I could be happy in myself, but she keeps fighting against it. Basically she's married to this man who waited 2 years to start dating her so she could get over her ex, and then married her even though he doesn't want to live with her teen kids from her previous marriage. So they live in separate houses but in the same town. They really love each other and get along great, but each get to maintain their own home as the kind of home they want, her one with her children and him one without children. How perfect! But no, she keeps wanting to live with him. People just can't accept happiness.

[@LoveQuestWithLisaConcepcion]

Of course she wants to live with him, she's normal. A wife is to live with her husband. Again... Godlessness leads to problems and drama.

[@consciouscrypto3090]

@@LoveQuestWithLisaConcepcion LOL, well in her case, lack of gratitude for what one has leads to unhappiness.

[@Leoo117]

This is normal. Feminine women generally want to be as close to the man they love as possible. This is to be expected if you get into a relationship.

[@consciouscrypto3090]

@@Leoo117 it's normal to want lots of things. It's also 'normal' to make oneself miserable being ungrateful for what one has. I don't suggest it though.

[@Leoo117]

@@consciouscrypto3090 I mean that it's natural. It's literally built into a woman to want to move closer and closer to a man she is in love with. To deny her that is to deny her the feeling of complete romantic fulfillment.

[@Specoups]

20:46 In France ? Come on Orion, not every man is a successful high income earning lawyer with a lavish lifestyle in France. We're not all Parisian rich men. Most of us will be heavily (and rightfully so) berated if we have a mistress.

[@2berrydelicious]

That's why I'm attracted to him the art skills learnt early on and having the teacher component to deliver understanding to all audiences. For my purpose that's what I excel at.

[@bman7673]

“You can’t negotiate enthusiasm.” Money can’t buy arousal

[@aristark559]

this gave me so much confidence in my own way. because i have been rejected by women that i adored almost always. but at the same time, i know my way, i know that thats what im going to do, and if im the only person in the world to go that way and other people disagree, so be it! im not gonna sacrifice myself just to fit in in the sexual marketplace! and if the option is to stay alone, so be it.

[@kongvolmerii2683]

Feel the same way, and would like to add: I dont like the man I have to be to attract women. If a woman cant accept me for what I am -then no worries. We are not made for eachother then.

[@aristark559]

@@kongvolmerii2683 there is a sentence from japanese Zen :" this is my way" and if its against your true self, dont sacrifice. i was that man who had women in the past, but now i dont like that man anymore. same like you. because it was not real. it was all fake. and i dont betray myself anymore. if this game has only one rule and i dont want to fit in, so be it.

[@kongvolmerii2683]

@@aristark559 I really liked your answer. Perhaps you like me felt like a smarta.. when you were attractive to women.

[@aristark559]

@@kongvolmerii2683 sure. but when deep inside you know, your needs are not fullfilled because you cant show your real self because you know it is not accepted in the game, at least for most YOUNG women, whats the point? you live a lie all along.

[@kgyore]

Orion, you're the most put together and rational psychologist in this space. Thank you for your wisdom.

[@andre1987eph]

No! You are mistaking his verbal articulation skills for wisdom! He's a bluepill Matrix guy at heart.

[@kgyore]

@@andre1987eph what would you do differently?

[@chrismaki5456]

How he intentional crafts that verbage is part of what makes him so wise

[@Xenozillex]

@@andre1987eph blue pill? he suggests allowing occasional open relationships for the men.

[@godislove4540]

If he can’t reside with a woman or maintain a long, term relationship himself, why would you listen to him? His “theories” seem to be based upon his own lived experiences and failed relationships. Just because someone is a psychologist, it doesn’t mean they are healthy themselves.

[@chrisharris6462]

Human nature lends itself to polygamy then? Polygamous societies usually don't fair well. I have limited optionality being a part of the 80%. What should a polygamous society do about a sexuality frustrated majority of men?

[@philyeary8809]

And no one ever addresses this...

[@sunfish4095]

These societies don't survive or they live like animals. When in conflict with a patriarchy they are conquered and absorbed.

[@kengaroo5170]

Prostitution should be legalized.

[@sunfish4095]

Nothing, they reduce to squalor or are absorbed by a stronger society.

[@UzitheSaint]

Trust me it is not as good as some try to frame it, my family is polygamous, like traditionally from my great grandparents and grandparents. People just romanticize it

[@gigamaxextra]

The gig dating economy, i like this. Specific relationship contacts that last for one female ovulation cycle. Have her sign a contract each month starting a new relationship where she takes full responsibility for her birth control and any potential children. Women enjoy moving the relationship forward and it's nice to have meetings regularly to discuss the needs of everyone in the relationship and agree to a good deal, and if you can't come to a good arrangement she can get a new guy at the start of her ovulation cycle.

[@gigamaxextra]

Yes I'm autistic 💪😂

[@samueleriksson9535]

The problem with Orion Taraban is that he comes off as apathetic and soulless, also as pro-gynocentrism. As the world for men turn into a meatgrinder he goes with it and seemingly cares nothing about the meatgrinder itself, "may the fittest survive and bla bla bla now I'm talking about evolutionary fitness". So, screw everyone that does not fit? Seriously no matter how accurate the information he delivers I cannot help seeing a robot.

[@bh9825]

You’re right but he’s delivering practical tools for the current reality. If you want someone to change that reality , it won’t be found in dating advice.

[@steph6109]

Has there ever been q time when the fittest haven't survived over the weak? Where females of any species haven't been highly selective and most males die out childless? This is normal nature, weren't you listening during high school?

[@SteveDobbs-hj7fc]

Nature is ruthless. The sooner you accept it the more success you’ll have. It will kill your hope and desperation.

[@rosssivertson6339]

So then you agree that being a male is waaaaay harder?

[@danf7411]

​@@steph6109nah that's reality thats why people are black pilled... it doesn't have to be negative or incel though. It's like accepting reality at its most basic point. Doesn't have to be all doom and gloom, I accept that appearance income height determines how you'll be treated by everybody. It why I think the other two pills are damaging, you can literally accept that you can achieve these things but it will be harder for you than other people. Lifes all about perspective I have had relations ships have got kit Kat had friends had some life. I just accept as relatively unattractive 5 7 man I am excluded from a lot of the dating pool. It's not like it'd impossible but is the consequences and challenge really worth it. Blue 💊 is a Disney movie red 💊 is teaching men they can give charismatic men money to reprogram themselves. We need to be real and accept those two are super unrealistic. Black pill is heavily associated with incels... they have problems and my heart goes out too them. It's just no one can deny statistically appearance height and income will completely change your life