Is the RetroTINK 5x Pro HDMI Scaler REALLY worth $275 ? | MVG

The RetroTINK 5x Pro is a brand new upscaler that boasts output resolutions up to 1440p, offers best in class deinterlacing and hosts many different inputs for all your retro needs - but is it any good? Will it replace the OSSC ? In this episode I give you my thoughts and full review.
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[@mCreecher91]

MVG: Shows comparison footage Me: Can’t tell the difference

[@MrMario2011]

Appreciate the honesty here. In regards to the shortcomings mentioned (1080i, 50 Hz) I wouldn't be surprised if a firmware update comes out in the near future to remedy those. All of the RetroTINK products get pretty nice firmware update support from what I see, so maybe a few updates in I'll grab one of these. I've owned a Framemeister for a few years, so at the moment I'm not needing an upscaler upgrade.

[@snintendog]

The fact there is a solution to the HDMI dropout during Res switches is a big deal for me but its still not a Full replacement for my OSSC+Frameister setup sadly Definitely the way to go now for people just starting to get old systems up and running on new tvs though.

[@kickflipdemon]

so he was using the pal 1080i 50 hz ,wonder if the 60hz 1080i works . . .

[@duhmez]

@@kickflipdemon you can't do 1080i over av (compositre nor s video) cables, this is by design. It needs coponent cables or scxart, not an isue with retrotink.

[@duhmez]

@@snintendog you can't do 1080i over av (compositre nor s video) cables, this is by design. It needs coponent cables or scxart, not an isue with retrotink.

[@kickflipdemon]

@@duhmez he was using scart . . .

[@guspaz]

The reason the RT5X isn't working with your PS2 at 1080i is because the PS2 switches its RGB output from RGBS to RGsB (sync-on-green) at 480p and higher, and the RT5X does not support sync-on-green over SCART. As far as the RT5X is concerned, the sync signal just disappeared. That's why Mike suggested using component cables, because the PS2 outputs the same type of sync signal over component for all resolutions. Another solution is using a device that separates sync-on-green, such as the recent gscart switches.

[@Afonso.Soares]

Also, the PAL version of GT4 does NOT support 1080i

[@PabloB888]

​@@Afonso.Soares not to mention 1080i in GT4 is just upscaling, so it's better to use 480p mode anyway.

[@ModernVintageGamer]

A few things about this review - For reference i purchased my own unit and i didn't go over some features like downscaling to CRTs, simply because this features is not of any particular interest to me. If you want a much more comprehensive review that covers all features of the RetroTINK 5x Pro - I recommend Retro RGBs here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKixo6R_n911l6M

[@EOB16]

Your Videos are interesting as ever.

[@NintenDub]

At least you put in time. Your peers are all lazy with their presentation,rambling non script,indecisive verbage etc with their vids.

[@kitsura]

What about OSSC Pro?

[@richardnestor2384]

Hi - great review. Just to flag, the PS2’s higher resolutions didn’t work over SCART as the 5X can’t support RGsB over SCART. (It only does RGBs.) The only way you’ll get the higher resolutions is to use 1) a Component cable or 2) the SCART cable via a GSCART which will convert the RGsB to RGBs.

[@ModernVintageGamer]

@@kitsura its not out yet but ill be sure to review one when i can

[@jengelenm]

As a PAL user, thanks for testing that! It will also be very helpfull to Mike to have this feedback! Cheers!

[@breaKdownINC]

Let's just hope Mike reacts to that. As a PAL user myself I'm having issues with the RT5X - from what I can tell it doesn't support 5x scaling for 288p signals (which would result in 1440p). It also doesn't support 1080p underscan with PAL signals. Right now I can't recommend it for PAL users.

[@nikodem123asdf]

@@breaKdownINC Damn that's a bit of a shame I hope it gets fixed, once it does it will replace my now-on-it's-last-legs DVDO VP30 combined with OSSC (cause those 2 for me sort of work in tandem to combat each other's shortcomings)

[@CommanderGrog]

@@nikodem123asdf That's exactly the combination I'm using. I'm very happy that things like the OSSC and the Retrotrink prodcut range exist. It's only a matter of time for something to arrive that will satisfy our needs (for the time...until new needs will arise xD).

[@nikodem123asdf]

@@CommanderGrog Also not sure if anyone has mentioned whether it takes RGsB via scart

[@WhiteJarrah]

@@nikodem123asdf My setup consists of all three devices that MVG showcased in his previous video: a Framemeister, an OSSC, and the cheap SCART to HDMI. I was hoping the 5X could free up some space, but if it doesn't work with PAL content, it's no use to me.

[@ktvx.94]

MVG starts off my weeks great with a new vid as I wake up and have breakfast before work. I look forward to your videos every monday, no matter what you're talking about. Excellent as always!

[@Hyperbolic_G]

Holy shit Gran Turismo 4 looks absolutely insane!!!

[@ebridgewater]

Try it emulated on PC at 4K. Looks so good.

[@Einar730]

@@ebridgewater no

[@ebridgewater]

@@Einar730 Your loss.

[@Einar730]

@@ebridgewater no

[@kevinquintana3085]

@@ebridgewater I can confirm

[@alucard971]

Would like to mention the Retrotink 5X is also sold out until June/July and his online store is closed until May 24th until he can get product out the door.

[@shenrais1248]

Wonder if this is still getting restocked in July as we are already in the month.

[@alucard971]

@@shenrais1248 Subscribe to his Twitter feed @retrotink2 as that's where he puts his announcements. He does have another full time job and other entanglements so I assume that estimate was a rough one. Also, parts are high in demand and low in supply so maybe it will take a little longer to pull everything together. But Mike is not a person to say something like a release window and ignore it. Im sure we will hear something soon, especially judging by his last Tweet saying he has stockpiles of chips for RetroTINK.

[@charlieb308]

@@shenrais1248 back in stock now! Hurry before bots buy them all up and resell eBay for $500

[@shenrais1248]

@@charlieb308 I bought one a few months ago but thanks for the update :)

[@rokxxu]

It's important to mention that only the first release batch was 275U$D, Mike already said that due to increase in parts costs the next runs will be 300U$D

[@squirlmy]

somehow an increase from $25 to $50 seems outrageous, but $275 to $300 doesn't seem too bad. I'm also thankful not to have to pay VAT in the UK and Europe, which is getting worse, more bureaucratic and confusing- with Brexit.

[@majorgear1021]

the video title needs to be changed to $300 !

[@RabRabNZ]

@@majorgear1021 its 325 now!

[@majorgear1021]

@@RabRabNZ I know. I just got mine today. It had better shine my shoes in addition to upscaling video.

[@dpatt6175]

Love me some MVG on a Monday morning.

[@vanerek]

Monday vintage gamer?

[@ars7374]

@@vanerek yesssssss

[@FranckSauer]

Glad to see Agony as you fav game for testing resolution switching ont the Amiga :)

[@CaptainCharisma0]

Just a general comment, that I'm posting on this video because it's the newest one: As a software engineer with an interest in all things retro-game-related, the things you do on this channel are really inspiring to me. I really look up to you. Thanks for all of the great videos, and keep being awesome.

[@soullos555]

I got one just for the PS2. The motion adaptive de-interlacing looks amazing from what I've seen. My unit is on it's way and I can't wait! :D

[@TheMoises1213]

How does it compare to an emulator?

[@Pasixable]

@@TheMoises1213 🤢

[@retro-computing-gaming]

One selling point you didn't mention or test was the RetroTINK's support for S-video which is natively supported by the PS1, N64, and Gamecube and not supported by the OSSC.

[@R3TR0R4V3]

On the other hand, the 5x doesn't do VGA, whereas the OSSC does. ;-)

[@Greyhats]

@@R3TR0R4V3 could you not use a scart to vga adapter?

[@R3TR0R4V3]

@@Greyhats Don't really need one.. The OSSC does VGA, which is all I need for the couple consoles I have that use it, Dreamcast & ColecoVision. :)

[@Greyhats]

@@R3TR0R4V3 i know, i’m just saying there is a work around. i enjoy both the rt5 and ossc. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@RealLudoKressh]

Overall you can’t compare an OSSC and Retrotink. They are two very different products.

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

I love how slow you speak, absolutely a joy to listen to with English not being my first language.

[@nate6045]

And for English being my first language, I'm still able to speed up the video if I feel like it gets too slow. It's the best of both worlds!

[@ramrodbldm9876]

​@nate6045 what a weirdo clown thing to say

[@ramrodbldm9876]

​@@nate6045 derp

[@WrestlingWithGaming]

As usual, great video! Man, I've been on the fence about getting this since I'm pretty happy with my Retrotink 2x pro, but that N64 composite comparison might've sold me on it. After all, my CD-I's composite output deserves the best.

[@EposVox]

Honestly, the Neo Geo footage OSSC vs 5X was night and day in this video, but I understand it doesn't always appear that way on your display while you're playing.

[@wishusknight3009]

Something like this can absolutely be down to one "capturing better". And on some displays there may be very little difference. But i think the X5 is going to be my next purchase.. Its instant rez adaption is insane.

[@grn1]

@@wishusknight3009 For original RE2 players that could be a game changer. I've seen a few videos where the creators ultimately went with emulation to record gameplay because RE2 constantly switched resolutions and messed with their capture cards.

[@wishusknight3009]

@@grn1 It is honestly going to be a help for vintage PC work too. Seeing post screens that flash by in less than a second while my screen is blanking out playing with wingnuts isn't good.

[@gregorybolivar1876]

He is using Generic 4:3 profile on OSSC while using 1080p Over profile on 5x (and probably a Neo Geo profile). Obviously 5x is gonna look sharper, but the same sharpness can be obtained from the OSSC if he used a perfected timing profile.

[@mrsmilee]

Can always rely on MVG to show us Amiga as well as other systems. Great video, short and to the point.

[@Romeroland]

Man, let me tell you something, I really appreciate your work and your videos, I really learn a lot with them. I have slowly started to buy retro consoles and will be in need of something like this, again thank you and keep them videos coming/

[@chakroc]

Appreciate the honest review, and highlighting the good, as well as the 'could be better'. As someone who has no upscaler at the moment, and is in the market for one, I get the impression I could do a lot worse than this, and while it's not perfect(what is), it's a very good piece of equipment. Thanks for laying out what to expect. And many thanks for your awesome work on Shantae. Played it many years ago, and it's awesome to get to relive those memories on the Switch. From a fan of the game from long ago....I want to commend you on a job well done!

[@McGuinty2]

A quick note about the slight difference in noise you demonstrated in the Neo Geo capture: it looks like your OSSC is in generic mode as the output looks significantly softer than the 5X in that example, which I believe is masking a lot of the noise. I would wager that if you set up optimal phase for the Neo Geo, the noise levels would look almost identical to what you see coming through the 5X

[@MrRodrigues520]

One thing that I notice is a yellowish tint, you can see better in GT4 white menu and when MVG zooms in Art of Fighting menu, the SNK logo has a bit of yellow to it.

[@TheAfroman]

I noticed that too. Might need to tweak some settings like gamma

[@josephnguyen4349]

@@TheAfroman The RetroTINK-5X is capable of both RGB Full & Limited, while OSSC is only Full. My guess is MVG forgot to set the RetroTINK-5X to Full when showing the noise comparison at 6:32.

[@Booruvcheek]

Just use some Retrobright on it!

[@djgamble07]

Respect, great review! Always love your work as you cover a wide range of random retro gear (I have a particular interest in Amigas, so it's always great to see them).

[@Jakoliath]

Super nice to see you cover this dude. Always appreciate your even-keeled and honest approach.

[@YounRangr]

My guy you are the goat when it comes to this. Your work is a blueprint for us to resurrect our consoles and save our childhood devices to stand the test of time.

[@xxcaveman25xx]

I’ve been looking at getting something to help upscale my ps2. I’m really gonna have my eyes on this! Thanks MVG!

[@FranklyPeetoons]

Nice. Every time I thought of a tech question, you answered it within a few sentences.

[@Immorpher]

Thank you for doing this video so fast! I don't have any system which plays at 50 Hz, so this looks like a great solution for me. Right now I am using a MINI2x, and this seems to be a decent upgrade.

[@RetroSwim]

The single greatest thing about the RT5X is that MikeChi is communicative and committed to making the 5X be awesome for everybody. I'm 100% certain there'll be firmware fixes for the PAL issues. While some sections of the retro gaming community are content to navel-gaze over cables and arcane settings, Mike has a "Just Play The Damn Game" approach, and RT5X definitely lives up to that mantra. I expect we'll see great things in the near future. Another big feature that you didn't mention is that the RT5X is supposed to output standards-compliant resolutions and timings on the HDMI port, so the compatibility with TVs and most capture cards should be much higher than OSSC.

[@NeonPizza80s]

Any idea how much input lag the 5X pro adds on it's own? I'm interested in buying this to add CRT softness settings to my AVS, SNES & GEN(using retro vision component cables) & Duo.

[@eW0NDERB0Y]

I thank my lucky stars every day that I can't tell the differences when I'm shown a side by side example like seen in this excellent video. These eyes are saving me a ton of $ not noticing any difference.

[@username19237]

Was really surprised to see this release as I’ve been loving my 2xPro

[@JamesSkemp]

I was holding off on picking up anything until after the 5x released, but now I'm leaning toward just picking up a 2x Pro.

[@RetroSetJoe]

This is a fantastic video! Waiting for mine to come in the mail. I don't bother with Amiga or anything 50hz (all my consoles are NTSC)... So I think the two major problems you touched on there aren't going to affect me too much. You really put it through its paces though!! I'm stoked to see what this thing can do

[@corgikun2579]

I like a lot your presentation style and voice. As a competitive Splatoon player I dig your shirt!

[@shortcat]

Instant resolution switch is a game changer. Motion adaptive deinterlacer is nice too: you should be able to just use it and forget, half-framerate high-res games shouldn't suffer from it as they do from bob, and full-framerate hi-res games would get clearer ui elements.

[@RetroSwim]

Set-and-forget, or "Just Play The Damn Game" is pretty much MikeChi's motto! ;)

[@mrmicycle]

Thanks for testing it so throughly!

[@AvocadoDiaboli]

Ah, that Agony theme in the background had me going back to listen to Dimmu Borgir's Sorgens Kammer. Good stuff.

[@dummymannequin7272]

AGONY's title screens still look way too sharp and beautiful to be existing on a 1992 AMiGA computer. Amazing really.

[@GameplayandTalk]

Oh man, that de-interlacing looks amazing.

[@jefm32]

I am way too poor for those prices.

[@karehaqt]

This is why I moved to emulation as for me it's good enough. All of my hardware is now boxed up in the attic.

[@sirlimen333]

@@karehaqt That’s alright

[@dummymannequin7272]

Yeah for the pound sterling equivalent of what the Retrotink 5X Pro cost I was able to buy an Xbox One X. With Developer Mode enabled it will actually emulate a lot of the things here and also can back compat in regular mode for X360/original Xbox. Still a neat device if you are a retrothusiast gamer with deep pockets though, for sure.

[@Booruvcheek]

Yeah, nice upscaler, but 275 US dollars?! Wow. Not for me.

[@Kiritomens]

@@dummymannequin7272 honestly don't get upscaling in most scenario's. I play on the original console so I don't have lag and everything works like it should've when it was released. Old consoles like nes up to gc I play on a CRT. To get the most real picture the developers had in mind when making the game. Since they where actually made on a CRT. If you want to play in 4k, just use emulation it's honestly probably better than upscaling a fuzzy game 5 times. I guess some people just don't really like CRTs with i get, but why just not play emulator than. The only reason would be nostalgia factor and ease of use i guess.

[@rustyshackleford1964]

Thank you for making Mondays a little more bearable lol

[@darkobelisk4076]

Mike Chi’s Shantae review next.

[@FinalBaton]

lol

[@Bennett.R]

“Yeah, it’s only when you turn the console upside down that the loading times increase a little bit, but they’re still pretty fast overall.”

[@TromboneSteve]

🤣

[@youtubesuresuckscock]

Even though you're joking, you stumbled onto the reality of these dirt bags. They're all a bunch of scam artists feeding each other. You know baldie actually stole Switch input code and tried to pass it off as his own until he got caught, right? He's a charlatan.

[@Bennett.R]

@@youtubesuresuckscock Huh? I’m so confused. Who stole what from who??

[@skins4thewin]

The one thing that I do hope will be added via Firmware update is the smoothing filter. Useful for Composite & S-Video signals for 3D games, it's a shame to see it missing here when it's present on all of the much cheaper RetroTINK devices. I am very curious to know why it was omitted on the 5X.

[@kingdongchong]

The best compliment I can give you, is I have literally zero interest in the source material, but I still loved the video. The beard is 10/10 btw

[@bloodsuckinflea]

Great breakthrough and thorough testing!

[@4KbShort]

Thanks for this. I'm constantly looking for a way to get my Amiga working on modern capture cards and such. Knowing how it works with one (prior to any updates) is really nice.

[@TheObsessiveGamer]

Been waiting for the OSSC Pro but the quick resolution switching of the RetroTINK 5X is really tempting as it may finally remedy the dreaded CronoCross menu switching

[@snintendog]

He is right for those that got the OSSC and Framemeisters this is a hard sell but i would recommend this over those 2 just on Price alone and availability as well at least for Real hardware junkies otherwise the Mister is shaping up very well might wait until the cores are finished or if a "project mister2" on a stronger FPGA comes out.

[@Clay3613]

@@snintendog An OSSC sufficiently costs less than $300...

[@snintendog]

@@Clay3613 yes but so does the retrotink 5 your point? and if you actually read what i wrote i said OSSC+Frameister they cover what the other lacks and that combo is what i am basing the argument over the Retrotink 5. the OSSC right now is 170 USD before shipping and the RT5 is 275 before shipping for reference. If it was just the OSSC vs RT5 the RT5 wins hands down for versatility and deinterlacing but for us that have BOTH it is a hard ass sell for a sidegrade the next retrotink will most likely sell to us as a major upgrade. and even then i have a feeling the need for linedoubling alone is gonna stay for the ossc. As it is the res switching is a MAJOR deal for us but with the amount of money placed into our setup already it makes it feel the need to have a bit more to justify the buy and with the lack of the HDMI in for the digital adapter we have for a few consoles it cant replace our Frameister yet. The way most people have their consoles right now is↓ Console RGB/COMP/Digital HDMI mod IE GCHD Eon/Xbox Chimeric HDMI>OSSC for LineDouble>Framiester for HDMI cleanup(alot of tvs suck at seeing nonstandard res or timings)>TV OR Console>Composite/Svid/Scart RGB or COMP Interlaced and progressive>Framemeister for Scaling The RetroTink 5x can handle the Second one Handily but falls to the purely digital out we have on more of the not quite retro systems.

[@sethkrumm3302]

@@snintendog The OSSC literally costs half as much and is currently in stock, so not sure what you mean when you say the 5x beats it on price and availability... Also the mister isn't even a de-interlacer, it's an emulator.

[@TheMoises1213]

Did thymes come out with a pro?

[@BRKsEDU]

Already got mine but of course I'm here to hear what you gave to say

[@WeissCat0104]

Woah even the masters from Brazil listen to what MVG have to say, hands down Edu.

[@Rhyrkon]

Neste ponto eu acredito que qualquer pessoa que goste de video game acompanha este canal incrivel.

[@LoneWanderer905]

Nice to see we on Brazil still have a half-decent retro community

[@HoroJoga]

E AI PESSOAL TUDO BEM

[@mrkavor]

hi there you people, is everything all right? here who speaks is Edu...

[@davidt3563]

Thanks for your thorough testing!

[@beansoup1088]

Another great vid thank you mvg! 💪

[@wise1988]

Interesting video. I was testing mine a few days ago and it worked with every PAL game that I tried through a SCART RBG-cable from RetroGamingCables (CSYNC Cables, all of them, PS2/WII/Gamecube). BUT, I had this issue running some of my Wii Virtual Console games that were running in 240p (A link to the Past, for example). The ones running in 480i were fine though...

[@retroshane8844]

That's good to know that it works with retro gaming cables, I was wondering whether their was a compatibility issue with sync. Do you use a switcher? I'm getting a gscartsw and wondering which cables to get with a combination gscartsw and retrotink 5x

[@WebstersYouTube]

As a UK gamer with a PAL collection that's largely locked to 50Hz, that last part is sadly a deal breaker for me :(

[@helenarain4574]

I dont think that it doesnt work with pal consoles, maybe this is just for the amiga..i will test it tomorrow with my palconsoles after my retrotink arrived

[@Ehal256]

It's likely to be fixed with a firmware update.

[@railsrust]

The previous RetroTink products had excellent 50Hz support, and I bet this does/will too. One thing to keep in mind is that the Amiga supports really weird resolutions that Mike Chi probably wasn't expect 99% of people to be using it with. Maybe keep an eye on what the firmware looks like? You also should see if anyone else running PAL content is running into these issues, or if it's mostly just the Amiga.

[@chimnino]

Use component. Drop SCART.

[@cius96]

@@chimnino well in Europe SCART was the big thing (expecially with TVs... every TV had SCART imputs until 4k TVs). Component cables were basically never considered here, since (if one disliked the inferior composite cables provided with many game consoles) RGB through SCART was the best solution possible. I think you know that SCART (I mean RGB) and composite cables (or better said YPbPr) basically output the same quality, with the SCART being slighty better if ay all. Therefore your suggestion is wrong (and would only apply for US citizens). You know, not everyone lives in the US

[@Colin_Ames]

A good review, as always.

[@mr.hubris961]

I really like this channel even though most of the content goes way over my head. But I am hoping that as I get more familiar with it the more I can get a grasp on the content

[@helenarain4574]

So for those who wonder if resolution switching causes problems in pal consoles: i just tried it with sonic the hedgehog two and streets of rage on the pal sega mega drive and it works perfectly fine, the switching is so fast, you cant even see it properly.. no problems at all, love it so far

[@Bassquake76]

6:21 Dang RetroTINK looks a lot sharper, like "pulled direct from gpu" sharper!!

[@overdriver99]

nice review! I love MVG review - it always get to the point with his personal/ professional opinion. I'd like it more if you open it up LOL

[@JP-dn2eb]

Thanks for the honest review.

[@abletothink]

USPS says mine is at the post office so it will likely come today. It's replacing my Framemeister which I'm going to sell on eBay (likely for more than I paid for the 5X). I only need it to work with NTSC so this is basically a perfect replacement. As nice as Firebrand X's profiles are, it's annoying to have to load them each time I play a new console on the Framemeister. Plus this isn't going to have the sync issues I get from certain Saturn games and the deinterlacing looks superb. Only downside is the SCART cable is backwards so I had to order a weird one with a right angle connector from Amazon UK.

[@abletothink]

It's here and the 1440p is amazing. This is a legit awesome product. Mike should be proud.

[@thepappa5]

Is there possibility test scalers/capture cards with vhs. I've been searching for some reasonable priced combo.

[@74bobby]

Great Review...Love Your Honesty...

[@g_geezer3277]

Keep us updated pls 👍🏼

[@Deutschehordenelite]

Probably will be updated, pretty cool. Just think what we can have as FPGA in like a decade!

[@lelandredmond9928]

For ps2, you should use the HDRV cables. I had less issues with HDRV cables over RGB SCART.

[@ultraspinalki11]

If it's not too much of a bother, can you explain in further detail? In what manner were HD retrovision cables better than RGB scart?

[@JeanRodo]

@@ultraspinalki11maybe they mean the hdrv cables are higher quality?

[@Covnam]

Sounds great and despite the high cost, seems like a good value compared to modding a bunch of classic systems. I hope you'll get some composite and/or component video cables for your PS2 for a future video to see how that looks. It'd also be great if you could do the same with a composite/component switch to see how that affects things. Thanks for the review =)

[@951258tike22]

I'm glad we have more options than the Framemeister these days, I remember back when that thing came out I thought it was the coolest piece of tech ever.

[@HDxDani]

So, for PAL 50hz games on consoles like PS2 does it work properly or it has the same issues as with the Amiga?

[@DueM]

have the same question, the majority of my older consoles run at 50hzPAL. was hoping this could replace my component to hdmi converters since component seems to be getting phased out on newer tvs.

[@Puretea4711]

yes same issues

[@_kev_]

@@Puretea4711 sad, renders it useless if you're in pal region then

[@keithbeesting]

@@_kev_ yep disappointing not what it was hyped up to be.

[@chimnino]

You gotta use component cable instead of scart and all is fine for PS2

[@visker81]

glad i have the mister, does almost everything.

[@Booruvcheek]

Retro TINK's price tag makes you realize what a steal MiSTer is!

[@iBoujin]

Would love to see you do some huge comparison of every major retro output connection

[@hadesmcc]

Hum, I missed the opening of the pre-orders by about 5mins and didn't manage to get one. Seeing your review now with the 50Hz stuff puts me on the back foot. I have some 50Hz PAL consoles which I was hoping to run through this via composite, until I can get RGB out of them. It appears like that wouldn't have worked anyway, for now at least. That is a shame. Still, great review and great product too.

[@pieroluciano3272]

I wish newer HD LCD TV's had this type of upscaler built-in! 👍👍

[@ericvisser5253]

Wouldn’t be a bad idea. I’d imagine they would sell out pretty quick too

[@pieroluciano3272]

@@ericvisser5253 Very true, lets hope that our generation in charge of executive positions in electronic manufacturers push this idea through as a standard, obviously until something else takes over! 🤓👍

[@JemaKnight]

You know it's good when the Framemeister's resale value collapses like 50-70% in the space of a couple of months (which the OSSC never seemed to do much to bring down)

[@StitchJones]

Great video, thank you!

[@SucceededcomaSCG]

Love your channel. Have learned some really interesting things from you. One question. What is the shirt you’re wearing in this video??

[@Chocoburger]

Thumbs up for showing one of the greatest games of all time, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4.

[@intilagos-brown5232]

i would expect a device with a SCART connection to have better support for PAL signals.

[@yuribacon]

Well, I think the thing is that lots of videophile retro gamers in the US have "taken" SCART as a common and de facto standard way of using RGB signals from consoles, since the US never had a consumer RGB standard of its own, so when you spend all your time thinking about SCART as a way of using RGB video, I can see how its easy to forget about foreign video standards (or how its not just an RGB standard).

[@DaFunk14]

MVG, did you film this before the Spawncast last Saturday? Love the continuity 😂👌

[@PixelShade]

Thank you so much for this MVG. As an avid Amiga user, I have been holding off buying a scaler for a very long time (with resolution switching being the main drawback for me not getting an OSSC). This seemed to be the perfect solution, but I guess I just have to wait until Mike fixes the 50Hz modes. Will you do an update if such a firmware would arrive? (if not an episode, perhaps a youtube story?)

[@AmpliFreQuency]

THIS IS WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR! Thinking about upgrading my 2X Multiformat.

[@Einar730]

No

[@jacobrayburn5308]

The intro music is so good!

[@NintenDub]

Not really

[@spoopyangie]

I love all his intro music

[@CrocoDylianVT]

I remeber being like 5-6 y/o, my parents got me my very first own console, a PS2, in 2008, and connected to my old CRT TV, for me, at those times, it looked like this upscaler, such sweet times

[@KH-iz1bj]

A true talent and always so knowledgeable and professional

[@middle_pickup]

I'm sure the 50hz issue will get a firmware fix. I really want this box to handle the Chrono Cross problem.

[@Petertronic]

Does it have 50hz issues generally or just with the Amiga?

[@djthepirateking]

I use Retrotink 2x pro, and if I'm not mistaken, it has a significant issue when games shift between signals. I also use an El Gato 60S+ to capture the gameplay for my channel. I'd be interested in seeing you test out Fighting Vipers for the Sega Saturn on this! I wanna see if it fixes the ending sequences.

[@SuperNicktendo]

This is really cool. I just recently went down the rabbit hole of RGB on a PVM. Not quite ready to get into retrotink, but when I am I'm sure Mike will have the kinks ironed out.

[@balls2bone]

So, does this not work on any 50Hz signal? I live in Europe and all my old consoles are 50Hz!

[@jokuemt]

Seems like it has a lot of issues with 50hz, so no until it get patched.

[@rendermanpro]

Regarding 1080i, I'm pretty sure that PS2 out it only over component cable and not scart. So, not surprise that it is not working over SCART.

[@nikeymikey1008]

Great video as always, very informative. How do you think it will stack up against the upcoming OSSC Pro?

[@djrkzr]

Definitely you should make follow up video on newest firmware, interesting what improved.

[@hanes2]

275$ is actually cheap… the ones i use at work professional equipment is 1000$ and upwards 😛

[@vincent3340]

For Brazilians 275 $ is very expensive

[@MaksymilianParadys]

@@vincent3340 It's 300USD now but it's out of stock. 300USD + 20USD shipping + VAT + customs. It's way too much for me where I live (Central Europe). If they could make a store somwhere in Europe, I could buy this product

[@johnnada6855]

Without a doubt the Retrotink is the absolute BEST for the ps2 and ps1., and original xbox too

[@Strashky]

what about gamecube?

[@PvtHudson]

Great video as always.

[@GameTechRefuge]

Been using the 2X SCART and made many of the same observations in regards to fast switching. Was looking forward to the 5X but the price point is tough. Considering I also have an OSSC & picked up the StarTech USB3 HD CAP recently. Don't have the cash right now for the 5X. (StarTech device knocks the socks off both my Elgato devices for retro ).

[@TFSned]

Is the 1080i mode even worth using in Gran Turismo 4/Tourist Trophy? I thought it rendered at the same resolution internally for all modes (512x448) and just upscaled it for the output. You're better off using 480p since there's no deinterlacing needed. 1080i support was probably added for projectors that supported 1080i but not 480p.

[@shortcat]

I don't know if someone did a comprehensive research, it may be a slightly different resolution like 540 vertically. In that case 480p or 1080i could look a bit better depending on your gear I guess but not a huge difference for sure.

[@khuntington]

yeah, bob at retrorgb said that there's no reason ever to choose 1080i over 720p. with that is force GT into 720p mode.

[@shortcat]

So i did a quick test and 1080i is better indeed because it uses the same technique usually used in 480i on ps2: objects that aren't moving much receive analogue 2x vertical antialiasing of sorts since alternating fields is rendered at different positions. You can clearly see how this works this by comparing a screenshot to the live picture.

[@thunderbird7780]

Finally someone testing scalers with the Amiga. Great review. Now play some Pinball Dreams and se how it handles multiball ;-)

[@andrewhine8248]

Hired Guns music at 8:02 - love it.

[@crayzeape2230]

Looks nice, but one of my main use cases would be a 50Hz Amiga, I'll keep a close eye on this for any firmware updates.

[@knghtbrd]

Obviously you need to send Mike an Amiga. 😃

[@The2808erik]

The Wii over Composite cable runs games at 480i, would be amazing for it as well.

[@fluffisaurus7090]

The Wii has 480p component cables, get those instead. Plus that will always look better than 480i.

[@The2808erik]

@@fluffisaurus7090 That's true, but 480p still looks like trash on a modern TV.

[@fluffisaurus7090]

@@The2808erik It looks a lot better than 480i still, and it should look decent on most TVs. If you want a sharper image then you can upscale through the OSSC, 5x, or Mclassic (Mclassic’s biggest strength is 480p, I’m not recommending it as an alternative to the others in most situations).

[@trentmatee755]

Great vid mate love your vids, does this cause any imput lag and also can you make games full screen ?

[@TheOnlyDamien]

On Twitter it seems Mike (or whoever runs their twitter account anyways) is already looking to buy an Amiga to fix those issues and stuff so that's some good shit too! I love a company that responds to feedback like that. I hope to improve my retro console collection soon and this seems like a pretty great all around product for what I would need anyways so i'll add that to the inevitable list, thank MVG for the thorough video as always! Also it's kinda insane how amazing Gran Turismo looked!