Why Do People Go To Nightclubs? | Ashley Mears | Modern Wisdom Podcast 212

[@tomtimelord7876]

Just finished reading her book "Very Important People." It was fantastic. I learned so much about a world that doesn't even exist where I live.

[@jackinsonpablanes760]

where do you live

[@tomtimelord7876]

@@jackinsonpablanes760 Wisconsin

[@TheSimonG]

Chris, you are really good at interviewing. Its great the way you start off your interviews by being a blank slate. You don't try to influence the interview in any direction. You ask questions that you already know the answers to but need to get the information out. Most social commentary KZbinrs prioritise making themselves look intelligent and an intellectual equal of the interviewee. You eyes give away a lot of information, when you look top left you are creating information, top right is remembering facts, bottom left is talking to to yourself and bottom right are your feelings. You start off with scripted questions when you look straight at the camera and it shows when you start to go off script and start to converse. Edit: bottom RIGHT is talking to yourself and bottom LEFT are your feelings. I was writing from memory and I got it the wrong way round, its textbook body language.

[@ChrisWillx]

Simon, I really appreciate that man. I’m trying to work at the craft of this! I find a few scripted questions are really useful for creating a framework for the Ep and to ensure we’re never stuck, then just let the conversation flow as best we can. Also I keep getting told my eyes are a huge giveaway, never realised I was such an expressive bastard until I had a camera in my face for hours per week but here we are 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

Do a story on fatherless children.

I think he already covered instagram

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

@@psalm_11 My point. Some topics are too current.

[@chrisodonnell1269]

Hayden H what are faithless children?

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

@@chrisodonnell1269 fatherless

[@chrisodonnell1269]

@@Exodus26.13Pi well that would be a remarkable trick of human biology. I geuss you mean children with absent fathers. It's one of those lazy misuses of words that any me.

[@sansivian]

A whole podcast about Nightclubs where cocaine isn't mentioned is not giving an accurate representation that world. (But I get it for liability reasons.) This whole nightclub lifestyle could be summed up in three words: Illusion, hypergamy, and drugs. Men spend money to peacock their resource so hypergamous girls will want to sleep with them. That is clublife in a nutshell. All the drugs and alcohol just help to create whatever illusion the person wants to believe and softens the reality of the relational transaction that is actually taking place. They help men get the courage/confidence to interact with the woman, and woman the plausible deniability that they aren't trading their objectification and or body for attention and validation of their social ranking amongst the other women at the club. Any club that guaranteed men would not get laid, and that all woman would be treated as an equal to all other women there, regardless of how they look, would and have to pay for everything they consumed as well as their own cover would not have one person walk through its doors. Finally, anyone who knows anything about body language, knows her soft laughed when she said "what is attraction...its rooted in a social constructed norm that men are more powerful and have more resources then woman." was a MAJOR tell that she doesn't believe what she said and she is fully aware that she WILL have to date someone she is not attracted to or remain alone, and she can't accept that. Its even further reinforced by the pain behind the cringy smile when she said "the pool opens up". It won't. Great interview. Your summary, despite her disagreement, nailed it too. Also, not pushing back on most of what she said was a great tactic. Just respectfully let her tell her point of view, and trust your listeners are smart enough to "hear between the lines" and discern the truth for themselves because she uses a lot of unnecessary academic language.

[@tomtimelord7876]

Ashley Mears is married to a historian who makes less than she does, just FYI.

[@ericsierra-franco7802]

She's talking about clubs where only the super rich go to. Unless you fall into this milieu than you cannot really comment with any authority on what she is speaking about.

[@IvorMektin1701]

A friend of mine was an "atmosphere model" at clubs. She said it was hard getting paid by the club owner.

[@Seanocearbhaill]

She seemed more or less understanding of most of the intersexual dynamics but didn't like your last comment about successful women having a narrower and narrower pool of desirable men. She seemed to blame society (surprise surprise) when it's clear that its women's hypergamous nature that limits their pool

[@werocktheplanet]

LOL, spoken like a true blood brainwashed patriarch. Darwinist woo has been disproved in this regard. Patriarchal ideology isnt science.

[@cns3433]

Cringe

[@pixelfares]

As a former nightclub promoter, when I saw the title I was very excited to watch this until I got 15 mins into it and realised the guest is a truth-bending feminist, that is from the way she talked generally and from misdiagnosing the conspicuous consumption as a phenomena of the wage gap between genders. Unimpressed..

[@kanucks9]

There was no causal link there. She said that there weren't many 25 year old super rich women, and called that the wage gap. I don't think the question of women being big spenders in nightclubs was answered though, except that wealthy young women may be denied entry because they're ugly. Sort of a dodge, but if there's one place feminist terms actually apply it's a nightclub.

[@pixelfares]

@@kanucks9 well said, actually better said.

[@iamls360sterriker9]

It is an interesting question, but I simply think that women may have different outlets for how they show off their wealth and perhaps do not have a need to be so exhibitionist in a setting like a club. Who would they be attracting, for example? Would men be intimidated if a women did this, be jealous even? Would men instinctively feel ‘friend zoned’, so to speak, believing they have little to no chance of courting a woman with more money/status than him?

[@iamls360sterriker9]

I think they, particularly younger women, are more interested in flaunting beauty than material wealth. Men cannot put a price on beauty but I think attractive women, particularly those who know they are so, do put a price on it which could be inflated if they have capital/material wealth, and the only suitor is a man who matches or exceeds such criteria. As I say, it would be fascinating to dig into the psychology.

[@Kyle_Fall]

How do you disagree? Did you ust get turned off because of a few words she used? Pretty great podcast overall. As someone who's gone into the nightlife scene mainly from the PUA angle it's fascinating to hear someone dissect it from a sociological angle, even if I perhaps disagree with some of the takes.

[@doghousereily]

I was about to comment but noticed everything I wanted to say has already been said by all of you. Nice work chaps.

[@sohcahtoamedia216]

I know a lot of people have their reservations about this researcher but I want to offer this. Her idea on asserting status by displaying over-lays nicely on rioting in the United States.

[@ericsierra-franco7802]

How so?

[@sourcescience]

Few things in life baffle me as much as nightclubbing and why people do it. I’d rather nail my bollocks to the floor than go to a nightclub.

[@Kyle_Fall]

A study on relationships based on hyper gender-based attributes(money, protection, and status from men and hotness, submission, care-taking from women) would be fascinating.

[@Neon-Covenanter]

Boycotting till handlebar 'stache is back.

[@ChrisWillx]

I apologise 😂

[@parris145]

He asked her about female high value women in clubs. She gives a very American response , due to not knowing the answer. The reality is , especially in Europe, there are quite a few high value young and attractive women that party. These are mostly the daughters of very wealthy families. The answer is they don't need to flex in clubs because they are attractive, young women. The other thing is they mainly hang out with their friends who are also from wealthy families, and they guys are left to doing the flexing in the clubs.

[@mellowman1020]

I spent quite a few years as a bouncer so.. standing around in night clubs observing what was going on.. and the night clubs in Australia are quite sad mostly people look unhappy , pretending to have a good time. What is it with guys dancing with each other and women dancing with each other? Is this fucking primary school where we dont want to catch cooties? Most of the blokes and girls dont pick up , they just act like they do. Of course there are exceptions when I worked at a back packers bar they were all fucking loving life and truely happy and fucking like rabbits and when I got sent out of the city to bounce at the clubs that were more rural, the people were happier they were enjoying the club , hooking up with each other... So yeh I dont know, Ive seen places where people genuinely have fun and visited clubs and gone on pub crawls that were fun but I just feel a lot of clubs are pretentious and boring fucking stupid

[@newtalking3]

Lot of women from music doing the tables at nightclubs it’s more about the money and Mis-thinking money is power - women asset status with guards designer purses and clothes I’ve seen coffee house workers spend a few months paychecks on a purse to show off in pop culture

[@z_actual]

if this was a book I would never read it, much less buy it but although I feel its a bit off my patch,actually a long way off my patch, I really enjoyed this cheers

[@censorshipbites7545]

*Mears definitely gave off a slight sociology/feminism vibe.* The small number of wealthy women in their 20s is not a "wage gap." Very few men in their 20s are wealthy, and those who are engage in high-risk/high-return fields like finance and tech. More women in the developing world enter STEM fields, but even here in China my freshman comp sci classes only had 10-15 girls out of 150 students, and that number decreased in advanced classes. So why don't more women choose to enter finance and tech? Or petroleum engineer?

[@acctadmin4073]

for the T&A

[@chrisodonnell1269]

Was it actually waste? What would be the actual point of giving stuff away to the members of your clan, if it gains you something can you it waste?

[@petermaquine8173]

You do are aware that any unpleasant truth about women will be deleted in the comment section. My question for you is what purpose have the comments for such a question?

[@christianbolt5761]

I always say everybody who is nobody is here.

[@newtalking3]

I’ve seen this many time in business world with zero fashion models I think this lady only studied sleezy places

[@GeraldSmallbear]

Considering you’re both in the axis of evil, I thought this was surprisingly balanced. Mostly wrong but in a balanced way.

[@ChrisWillx]

That’s one of the nicest comments on this video, I’m taking it

[@YouGotPropofol]

Her incessant laughs at anything he says. Ugh.

[@fox39forever]

"Social-distancing" is evil.

[@needq4873]

Please analyse Indian dating market...there are alot of variables here it will be interesting.

[@juanmilano224]

Dear feminist: Learn Evo Psych Done.

[@YouGotPropofol]

Put your knee down honey. Stop laughing at everything. You know nothing.

[@cns3433]

Cringe