Why Science Says Men & Women Will Never Be The Same - David Geary

[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you beauties. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than KZbin by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:20 The Contested Topic of Sex Differences 06:00 Why Women Are Better at Reading 13:13 The Crisis of Disengaged Men 18:25 Sex Differences Increase When Freedom is Increased 30:00 Biggest Differences in Men’s & Women’s Brains 37:08 Are Differences Simply From Social Constructs? 49:30 The Science Behind Sex-based Behaviours 1:05:12 Traits that Women Do Better at Than Men 1:13:33 Why Has There Been a Rapid Increase in Transgenderism? 1:22:49 Where to Find David

[@nunosantos989]

The Sexual Paradox by Susan Pinker broaches all those sex differences issues and has so much interesting and valid information, worth a read. She is the sister of Steven Pinker

[@x-mess]

The incentives to work and be a husband, father are no longer there. Secks is cheap/free, and you can compete via games to get rank. Going to the gym makes u feel good... mom and grandma will give u hugs and that's it. The hunt is no longer there.

[@Chadronhadron]

​@@x-mess yeah and women are getting more in tune with the fact that all marriage is for men is sex on demand and that men are not as good as sex as women want them to be, not even close, in fact.

[@TimBitts649]

What we'll find in the end: the yin and yang of biology. Men and women are mostly the same, but our differences are important, they compliment one another. We need women to be women, men to be men.

[@johnstrawb3521]

@Chris Williamson This interview is so fundamentally cowardly that you don't even have the simple intellectual fortitude to include a heading under which is gathered how men are vastly better at chess than women, and men are vastly better at bridge, to give just two very different examples where in both cases we have a century of conclusive evidence.

[@bwake]

Growing up in the ‘60s and ‘70s, one tenet of the women’s movement was that women are not merely imperfect men. I would argue that also, men are not merely imperfect women.

[@PreferredMethods]

Excellent, excellent.

[@tomla2725]

I recall Rollo T saying that boys are being raised as defective girls. That statement makes a lot of sense to me.

[@HellCatt0770]

Agreed and viva La difference!

[@MsColl90]

Whoever said they were Bob? No one. That’s who.

[@quenbywilcox9821]

Hear! Hear! I will have to remember that one for my blogs and activism work amongst the IDIOTS who control the Conversation. Men and women ARE different, physically and psychologically, and IF we work together it a yen and yang and Peaceful situation. However, when we become adversaries and enemies it ends in wars and bloodshed!

[@RhetoricalMuse]

Jordan Peterson - talking about this for 7 years. Tom Sowell - since the 70s

[@hitandruncommentor]

Don't forget the mra movement since the 80s. People have been talking about it, but like with most male issues, men are too busy working and survive; and women just don't care.

[@rosiehawtrey]

Jordan Peterson - incited his own DAUGHTER to suicide. That's a crime with a 5 year prison sentence here in Brexitstan but hey, it OK, cos PENIS.

[@narendrasomawat5978]

@@hitandruncommentor it needs to become humanist issue.

[@pageribe2399]

I first heard about it in thr sixties.

[@daveatkinson1042]

Geary since 2002, Sowell has him beat, though.

[@sol-hunter2332]

When I was a boy, I hated gender roles and gender norms. I felt restrained, controlled, and felt like I didn't belong. As I've grown, matured, and worked through my trauma and insecurities, I've found myself most happy, and self-confident when I embraced being a man, and stopped fighting against it. My hot take: Gender roles are good for the average person, but we shouldn't hold them so strict that people aren't allowed out of them. But I think the average person is probably happier living within the norms, than struggling against them.

[@hengineer]

Gender roles are descriptive, not prescriptive, yet we try and claim that they are prescriptive.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

those exceptions don't make the norm.

[@sol-hunter2332]

@@hengineer they are to a degree prescriptive, trial tested to be the best for men and women (not perfect, but good for both men and women). However, to every rule there is an exception, and that is where I believe tradition ran into issues, which was where they didn't allow people to be the exception.

[@sol-hunter2332]

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 that's precisely my point. I think the average person is likely happier in the norm of gender roles, and the exception is those that leave those roles. Society has experimented with flipping the two, and yet everyone is far less happy in relationships. (There are multiple factors, but I think the messy boundaries and this competition of the sexes is a big part of it).

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

@@sol-hunter2332 our "gender roles" stemmed from evoluctionary pressure, and those not happy with that did not get their genes passed. Same for raising a family, those disgusted by that idea did not pass those genes to society.

[@albertlevins9191]

This was wonderful. Pure, simple truth, being spoken and analyzed. A brilliant interview! Great work Chris!

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

Ideology is driving the science. Reality is that there are significant differences. Quelle surprise, we are charging blindly into the fog.

[@bradwhitt6768]

Exactly. Until we destroy feminism and liberalism young women suicide rates, alchoholism, and anti-depressant drug use will continue to skyrocket. Everyone is calling me a mysogonist for pointing out that female "achievment" hasn't made them happy even though those same people acknowledge the terrible side effects.

[@craigmunday3707]

Its amazing how much effort went into this podcast to avoid the term "feminism"

[@whiteferret2605]

Yep. Until western men grow a pair & treat feminism (misandry) with nothing less than a baseball bat to the side of the head, things will only get worse.

[@tdawg507]

I would not be surprised if it was a decision made around the algorithm.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@@whiteferret2605 This is why feminism will prevail . Evidently you think it's acceptable to batter women?

[@ChickFenwick]

Muh femimism

[@jackdeniston59]

@Long John Thilver ....everything else

[@craigmunday3707]

It was feminists who first denied the differences between men and women, but they didn't expect the trans movement to come back and impact women's spaces

[@whiteferret2605]

Yep. Feminists actually HATED feminine traditional women so much & wanted to be men so bad, and forced themselves,via the power of corrupt bureaucrats, like rapists into men’s & boy’s groups & spaces … that never in their wildest dreams did they imagine insane men would 60 years later turn & take over their spaces & societies.

[@BartdeBoisblanc]

indeed they should find it ironic that after saying woman can be anything Transactivists turn that on it's head. Woman can now actually be men, being facetious of cource.

[@whiteferret2605]

@@BartdeBoisblanc which is why I don’t lift a finger in the fight of feminists vs trans. They can eat each other for all I care.

[@Boolama27]

@@BartdeBoisblancand in some cases men are better at being woman then woman are. ie: 'Woman of the year' can now be a man.

[@stvbrsn]

@@kc6810 well, no… However, trans *people* aren’t generally the problem (in the context of these discussions), trans *activists* who are driving this agenda, are the problem. Or, maybe your implication is correct, that it’s not a problem at all.

[@sarahalderman3126]

These differences are part of why I chose tp homeschool my 8 boys. Not enough physical activity for my boys to function successfully in school. A 20 minute recess in between hours of stationary work is ridiculous, especially when they are little. We homeschooled and incorporated real life right into our schooling. They blossomed by the time they reached high school, out of the 6 that have graduated thus far they have all finished hs at least two years early. Schooling the way our public education system does it is broken for everyone, but young boys in particular.

[@vvwalker7261]

Wow, that is incredible, well done!

[@ExeErdna]

I agree school treats kids like prisoners and then the huge excuse is treating like they won't know how to talk to people because they were homeschooled. Boys need to be a bit more active and school knows this they waste most of those 8 or so hours of that child's day. There's so much knowledge that can teach while children can play properly instead of being simply burnt out and wanting to decompress playing video games. No child should feel drained to the point of chronic headaches by showing up.

[@user-yv4mm6bx3c]

That's awesome! I hated school. I was so bored. It was drudgery to sit in a desk that was too small for me all day, while in a uniform that was too small for me. While listening to someone drone on all day about this and that, that had no relevance to me. Being an adult I understand things much more, but I'm simply explicating what it's like for a young boy going through school.

[@quenbywilcox9821]

My solution is to ATTACK the school systems, public and private, who are Criminally Negligent in providing public services (paid for with taxpayers money) in the courts and vocally on the Internet and my offline communities to GROW A PAIR, instead of 'hibernating' and sucking it up! I have been advocating for educational reform for decades and decades, and WILL not SUCK IT UP, and be Silenced by their BULLYING!!

[@casteretpollux]

Are you implying that girls don't need to be fit?

[@paulflute]

you’re such a joy Chris.. to get this level of expert on.. to ask all the questions that I’d want to ask.. skilfully and precisely.. and then to actually give them time to answer.. I feel like I’ve had a chance to really grill someone interesting..

[@hungrymusicwolf]

I was always so confused when even reputable psychologists would say that "men and women are more alike than not" and use the "60/40" ratio on those psychological statistics as if humans are individual pieces. To think that somehow the brain is just the sum of its parts just baffles me. Why would they think 60/40 ratio on nearly every aspect of what makes a human being somehow didn't have a massive self-reinforcing impact? Just imagine being told that your house is 30% wider, 30% longer, 30% taller, 30% more valuable of a location, 30% more light, 30% more safe environment, 30% less crime than before, etc. is still more similar than different. Those 30%'s aren't linear, the size ones are exponential, the value multiplies the exponent, and the others all make the entire rest of the space more valuable because it is more pleasant. Humans are not like 1 + 1 = 2, we create ourselves and over time that effect multiplies.

[@eb1184]

psychology isnt science.

[@joe42m13]

Men and women differ on average but there is a huge overlap, and the differences are greatest at the extremes

[@hungrymusicwolf]

​@@joe42m13 The point David Geary makes is that you don't just look at individual differences, you need to take them as a package. On which I'd like to expand that taken them individually is deceptive. Just imagine comparing ability to fight and you say "well men have about 50% more strength in the upper body, but on average if you take all the muscles the difference is only about 20%" (pulling numbers out my ass but a general ballpark idea), and the range maybe 20% more so we're closer to other humans than to animals. In that comparison how much better at fighting do you think a man is? If you think one man can take multiple women then you'd be right. That's Because a little range advantage, and some bone density, and some strength, while they are all small individually they multiply each other. The bone density makes your punches hit harder while it makes their softer, and every hit more you can take you do one more stronger hit you can do. The range allows you to hit first and gives you more opportunities to strike without retaliation, which then multiplies again the amount of time you can keep fighting because you already have the ability take more hits, and now you're also taking a percentage less hits. Then you also have to take the weight into account of bone density, which makes it harder to move you which lets you push people off you when needed, which lets you reduce the amount of time they can hit you. Etc. etc. As you notice the list of how the factors interact even in simple systems goes on and on. Taking them individually gives you a horrible view of how they interact. So using any study taking it individually as a justification that we're more similar than alike is comparing apples to oranges. Systems are not merely the sum of their parts. That goes for humans too.

[@hungrymusicwolf]

@@kc6810 We are just physical beings. People may forget but the brain is purely a physical organ following all the same rules. But yes we do value many of the same things, and so do pigs, rats, crows, cows, dolphins, etc. On the note of valuing the same in a mate that isn't actually right. For example when it comes to loyalty, men put more value on not cheating on physical intimacy while women put more value on emotional cheating. Beauty in nature also has a difference, on average women care more about aesthetics than men (difference in openness personality trait when divided in two other subtraits openness to aesthetics and ideas, women are higher in aesthetics and lower in ideas). We may both care about beaty, but that does not mean we care equally. The personality differences go on and on, and that's only the one's researched on individual pieces, when they all come together the differences are bigger.

[@hungrymusicwolf]

@@kc6810 I referencing scientific studies on personality differences between the sexes. So if you want to call it nitpicky take it up with the researchers.

[@user-pd3kr4nb5k]

This is one of the most insightful episodes yet - and considering your standard this is significant! Great work in putting these together and also, Chris, your interviewing skills are remarkable!

[@joebrowne4426]

I hope this type of conversation never gets banned.

[@carmen3091]

I appreciate the topics being brought up. These issues are big right now and its just a cat fight between people that are on opposite sides of the spectrum politically. I hope we figure something out.

[@nocturnaljoe9543]

👌🤣

[@tylermassaro4266]

It’s not a cat fight actually because most of the people who believe some of the nonsense that was debunked in this video are (young) women. Most of the people who are outspoken in opposing the nonsense are men. So it’s more of a cat-dog fight lol.

[@mdhen4]

We are getting more detail about how denial of reality is bad and yet we are very capable of it.

[@bradwhitt6768]

Yeah we're denying it even more. We have people saying womens advancment in the workforce is the greatest thing ever and we shouldn't reverse it. Meanwhile those women are committing suicide at alarming rates, on anti-depressants, and consuming more alcohol then men. Thank God women are achieving even though they are killing themselves for it. God forbid we change that.

[@americanexpat8792]

Retired male engineer here that went through the change from a traditional society to what we have today. Not very many people, even back then, really expected that men and women were going to be totally equal. That clearly wasn't going to happen due to basic biology. When I was growing up, a woman could be a housewife, secretary, nurse, flight attendant, teacher, or a hooker. They were taught to use college to find some guy to marry. Until 1974, they couldn’t even get their own credit card without their husband’s consent. All they wanted was some more freedom so they didn’t have to be a 2nd class citizens anymore. This guy is making the same arguments I heard 40 years ago. Back in the day, after hearing about a woman couldn't possibly do ABC, I personally watched them break through that barrier - again, again, and again. Freedom to pursue your own dreams has consequences that people are still struggling with today. When do we finally get over and move to the real problems that men struggle with the most today? It's not women expanding their horizons after being a chance, it's social media - and from a generational perspective, an ungodly lack of personal skills.

[@everquestfan]

A lack of fathers and God

[@tinap8227]

Refreshing outlook. To be honest, it's tiring hearing men making women the reason they are struggling. I see women pulling their socks up and taking on more responsibility daily. Earning a wage, raising children, keeping the family together... and men languishing with 🌽, drink, video games. I don't know what the answer is because men never like to hear my suggestions, but since they are problem solvers, I would have thought they would have found it by now.

[@allenmontrasio8962]

I remember accompanying my son to a kindergarten outing at a farm. Literally all the girls flocked to see the calf and all the boys made a beeline to the tractor.

[@sarahrobertson634]

That's a great reason to oppress women.

[@craigmunday3707]

@@sarahrobertson634 what?

[@sarahrobertson634]

@Jiminy Crunkett Yup, super mental. Where's your sense of humor, big guy?

[@kevinkestler4375]

Chris! Excellent information from David. Your expression of the supply and demand concept at the end attributing claims of denial is just one of your best summing ups ever. The aspects of one's Nature allows one to choose the opposite. The irony. Well spoken!

[@ridesharegold6659]

I spent my formative years on a hippie commune in the late 70s. We were not allowed to play with guns, anything that look like a gun, weren't really allowed to engage in rough behavior, etc. Still, you'd see three year old boys picking up sticks and pointing them like guns. We left the Commune in 1981 and my parents were slow to change their hippie ways but damnit all I wanted for Christmas was GI Joe.

[@sarahalderman3126]

I just wanted a Barbie. Instead I got a stupid fly fishing pole and a 22…

[@Musiclover-uo2oi]

When my son was 2 we drove a different route to my parents’ house from what we normally did many times before. From the baby back seat, halfway there, we heard him say “wrong way to Oma and Opa’s house “. 😯😮 I was stunned that my two year old had noticed that the landmarks were different and could spatially and visually differentiate them. Boys really do differ from girls in this ability. He also pretended that a banana was a gun when he was three. He grew up into an empathic, kind, and thoughtful adult. Let boys be boys, please.

[@ernestkhalimov748]

Damn 2 years old?

[@KriegerIngarten]

You from southern ontario?

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

As a 1970s feminist I chose a science degree and high school science teaching as my career. I was 22, and on my high ethical and heroic journey to save young girls through being a role model. I returned to work when my two boys were aged 2, worked in between them. 48 year marriage to a male. Waited till I was 33 for my first. Overall I was "successful". Biggest regrets: 1. Sacrificing my love of English for being a science career role model. 2. Working when my children were toddlers. Missed out on the fun of toddlerhood after the hard slog of baby times. 3. Left my motherhood run too late, ran out of fertility time. At 70, Nobody asks about my career. I miss my sons, they moved away. Fractured families for jobs (two professionals). Science is frozen in a glacier atm and feminism well there are two molecules - trans and cis. So, that career was pretty much a waste. Lol.

[@Jivanmuktaintraining]

Your accomplishments sound respectable but it sounds like you started your adult life on a "mission" - one which you now, at least partially, regret. There appear to be a great many "missionaries" amongst the young of today. Do you have advice for them?

[@craigmunday3707]

What's amazing to me is how many old women don't coach the younger women to not make the same mistakes

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

@@Jivanmuktaintraining yes, to young people I'd say don't be drawn into society's story of what your "mission" in life is. Those stories Are always promulgated by the people in power for control and manipulation of the population. I'd say be selfish, and as far as possible put your own self first. Forget all the latest buzz words and trends they're likely to be the exact opposite of what will make you happy, but there to keep you in your place by the already rich who will continue to make $$$ off you. Nobody who has power, headlines the media are poor or needy, they are wealthy If they cared about the poor they'd be setting up welfare homes, scholarships for the young etc.. nope, the drink champagne at a million dollar wedding and then claim to be labor prime ministers who care about indigenous (p.m. at recent radio shock jock wedding Sydney Australia, for example).

[@TheIslandofAdventure]

@@craigmunday3707 I"m an old woman. Interestingly I've found younger women do not listen to me, but younger men do.

[@manifest2203]

There are always opportunity costs to anything in life. If you were a man, you wouldn’t even regret leaving your children and getting to do work outside the home. It would be your God given right to have both. This is what is called as the motherhood cost. And many women are right to shun motherhood to varying degrees because of this.

[@carolspencer6915]

Our male patient group are being ignored by our societal policies in health services and social care,In short. Happy to hear others are seeing what I see. 💜

[@mikearchibald744]

MOST patient groups are being ignored by health care and social care, because neither are designed for groups. For health care prostate cancer gets a shitload of funding. So what specific issues are those exactly?

[@jonahtwhale1779]

The death rate for males is higher for every age group below 85. Even babies for every girl baby that dies 1.3 male babies dies. I wonder what lifestyle choices these boys are making to give this result? Breast cancer gets almost 4 times the research funding that prostate cancer gets. Women get over 55% of health care spending. Men get 45% yet men have worse health outcomes!

[@rosiehawtrey]

Try being female with Fibromyalgia, skin cancer and aggressive triple negative breast cancer... You know, the 24/7 chronic sunburn pain under the skin and the feeling of being butchered and the muscle seizures at low temperatures that are "all in my head" while the nurse is having to use her whole bodyweight to reduce the muscle tremors and pain... Or the 13 year skin cancer that wasn't Actinic Keritinitis, or the hyper aggressive breast cancer that was, we can't be bothered to do your treatment because we don't like lesbians... Healthcare is shite - genetically endicked or otherwise... And I hate to imagine what would happen to an AIS sufferer with testicular cancer...

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

@@kc6810 Environment matters again here esp with prostate cancer. As Dr Gabor Mate says, West African men’s rate of prostate cancer is not much higher or lower than in other parts of the world, but it is disproportionately higher in their African American cousins.

[@sarahalderman3126]

You do realize that all societal/health services were quite literally designed by men for men, that all medical research was performed entirely/solely on for men. Even now things like drug testing and such are male slanted. It is only in the last 40 years or so has the tide turned. Things definitely have gotten way off track these last 20 years or so, but one extreme is no better than the opposite.

[@不幸屋の娘-o6l]

I used to be a feminist and support the equality of men and women. Now I know that we're not equal with men, although it's still hurtful for me to accept that. But the truth often hurts.

[@casteretpollux]

What do you mean? Not socially or financially equal? Superior as having a body able to reproduce and feed new human beings ? Less violent? Less aggressive?

[@不幸屋の娘-o6l]

@@casteretpollux men are more rational, and women are more emotional (probably not all, but majority).

[@casteretpollux]

@@不幸屋の娘-o6l And if that was true, which I doubt (look at how guys get over sport) would it be unequal?

[@不幸屋の娘-o6l]

@@casteretpollux I think yes, probably 🤔 Because these things are different. By the way, I don't think men lack emotions and women lack rational thinking. I think it's just prevalent.

[@cosmo588]

Well since men and women are different, comparing ourselves to each other would be pretty silly. Being hurt by the fact that we’re not men, or thinking we cannot grow with integrity, humility and prioritise critical thinking and strength of character is not an attitude we should advocate. We should encourage one another, as women, as humans, to do it regardless of our biological restraints. While also helping eachother understand and appreciate our unique experiences as women.

[@tiesiai_per_aplinkui]

As a women, I was never proficient in reading, but I was always in math and science, I went to study engineering. I always thought that I was weird for studying engineering, now I know I am an odd one out. 😅 But I am not happy that so many teachers bashed my reading skills and no one embraced that I was good in science and math, they almost were like oh that is good, but you need to work on your reading.. its so interesting that parents and teachers don't know these simple consepts and can't help chikdren in the right way and push them to excel where they are great.

[@ernestkhalimov748]

I wish you the best

[@Boz196]

Haven’t watched this yet but look forward to watching it later. My main thought is that the differences in sexes being denied reduce the importance of love and companionship. Men and women are fundamentally different on many levels (obvious, but people like to deny reality these days). They require each other to be complete and to raise children. This isn’t a new concept it’s been discussed for thousands of years, The Bible mentions it, the ancient Greeks and Roman’s mention it and it’s why marriage even exists. But when the compatibility is removed people look for other ways to complete themselves. That might manifest in the pursuit of pleasure or wealth or even through the pursuit ideological goals which we are seeing now. Whether this is intentionally designed or a consequence of a range of factors like the feminisation of men (lower testosterone, being emotional instead of stoic, etc) and masculinisation of women (boss bitch career woman) or not I really can’t say but I do find it strange how there are so many trends all across the Western world which reduce the importance of family and traditional gender roles along with traditional western values. All of which seem to be replaced with self worship and the worship of the state itself as a means for the providence of identity and sustenance.

[@PockASqueeno]

I really appreciate both of your use of the scientifically accurate word “sex” as opposed to the wishy-washy, politically loaded word “gender.”

[@Nah-ah]

Amazing…! Thank you Chris… Thank you David, phenomenal insight! This is one I am definitely sharing 🎧

[@channyngtatum9231]

Can't get enough of this! So sad it had to end

[@vickingvicbubble8042]

I studied Psychology at Warwick University and graduated in 1992. At the time I thought that this nature vs nurture debate had been settled in the 60s. A few women from the Sociology Department continued to object to the notion that there were differences between the sexes that were biologically built in. I am shocked that this topic is still being debated in Academia. Why are Universities still waisting time, and resources on this. These ideologically driven theories were being ridiculed decades ago. Has things actually gotten worse?

[@txdmsk]

I worked at a tech giant a couple of years ago. We always had a lot of female-only something-something. Like "women in business" and "women in leadership" workshops + networking events, programmes for female students and so on and so on. Of course, it's us men who were paying for those, lol. My brother was still a kid, and I figured one of these programming events aimed at teens could be interesting for him. They would not accept him, because he was not a girl, lol.

[@tylermassaro4266]

I think segregation might be the best answer to some of these problems. If women want to make companies and educational institutions, let them. But we’re not gonna stick around and be disadvantaged. We’ll make our own that are male-centric… then watch them all flock to our side yet again. Even Jordan Peterson suggested once that the integration of women into the workplace hasn’t produced any staggeringly positive results. As time goes on, they seem mostly negative.

[@cg-1973]

I'm sorry. I've actually heard that these "Women Mentorship", "African American Mentorship", etc. programs fail women and African Americans, too. What you need to develop skills is MENTORSHIP and it doesn't really matter the source. Also, if it alienates whites and Asians, it isn't good for group solidarity.

[@cg-1973]

@@tylermassaro4266 women in the workplace is more about filling holes in social safety nets. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. weren't funded when benefits started being distributed. If women hadn't gone to work, they would have already run out of excess reserves. Having women work pays on both ends: women who work get taxed on their income and women who take care of their kids get taxed. Add to that the people families employ to help with household tasks. I don't believe long hours in day care are good for children or families.

[@tlynhen]

So the tech giant only asked men to pay(or only employs men) and you’re worried about how much money the corporation spent for some reason.

[@txdmsk]

​@@tlynhen I work in the highest echelons of a certain arcanum of tech. The number of women here is in the low single digits %. The proportion of competent engineers that are female is well below 1%. Women just don't care about this stuff. At all. We are talking about exquisitely complex systems interacting with even more complex systems. Lots of overtime, very weird hours. Immense amount of learning. Stress, despair, and so on. Two decades in the field, I'm yet to meet the first competent female engineer. There are however women in adjacent positions, such as low level of this tech stuff, management (I do know a few semi-competent female project managers), and so on. Tech companies focus on them disproportionately. In the beginning, decades ago, probably as a way of doing PR. Then I believe a high percentage of relevant positions were filled by ideologues, and nowadays this sexist / racist shit is company DNA pretty much everywhere. The corporation does not spend their money, per say, rather, the money that actually productive employees (almost exclusively men in tech companies) produce. It's a form of tax on your work. That is your salary raise budget being spent on bullshit.

[@3mercury3]

Excellent, way to take that on Chris. David thank you for your sharing your knowledge and data

[@name-vi6fs]

I recall a conversation I had with my daughter's grandmother during an end of year ceremony for fifth grade. They called up all of the straight A students for the year, and there were eight girls and one boy. I mentioned that the school must be serving the girls better. I said it with some sarcasm, but i knew that men and women tend to be comparitively similar in regards to intellect, aside from the extremes. Her response, "no, I just think the girls were smarter." This was 10 years ago.

[@zamar2158]

Since the 60s educational institutions use a gyno centric method of teaching. Sit and listen. No back and forth arguments . No doing. Girls end up in high status positions in offices. When the power goes out in those offices, men come in and fix it, if the laptops don't function, men fix, if the plumbing breaks, men fix. In the tech industry, the engineers who are women are from non liberal, Non western countries as this gentleman said. The western, liberal women are in marketing and comms. Getting western women into stem just means they work in the fluff part of these companies, they are certainly not the engineers.

[@johncrow5552]

Studies show females of same ability as a boy get better grades.

[@hitandruncommentor]

Yeah it had nothing to do with teachers giving girls better grades to encourage them, and giving boys worse grades to humble them. We've had a number of teachers that have taught for decades come forward to confess that. And yeah we've done that study too.

[@Muhluri]

​@@johncrow5552 yep. In my high school the top achievers was mainly women (80%)

[@CagetheOnion]

@@johncrow5552 That’s the point, genius.

[@Nerdemocat]

Men and women are so different I notice it my children growing up 2 girls ,2 boys, I notice in my nieces and nephews, school isn't designed for boys to sit still for hours especially young age, so that makes it appear girls are testing higher, I appreciate the difference between my husband and myself, I can't do alot that he physically can, and he isn't naturally a caregiver, he willing to work 60 plus hours to climb corporate, I was until I had children then my needs changed, we work actually better as a team all around, but their is so many differences its ridiculous that this conversation still needs discussed

[@annastasia7664]

My two pence worth, from the UK: Men and women are different, complementary, and *of equal value*. We are two sides of the same human coin. Vive la difference!

[@phoearwenien4355]

The inherent differences always fascinated me, considering I seem always breaking those rules :D I'm very good at visual-spatial despite being female - recognize faces despite sometimes not recognising the person, but also can easily navigate and tell directions, plus I'm very good at building things and was the best at school at dodging. At the same time I definitely am very social, sensitive and empathetic. I love when things grow and have good reading and writing abilities. Interesting thing is my appearance definitely tell I'm high on estrogen :D So if there was some testosterone influence it was dwarfed by estrogen.

[@brendanwiley253]

That part at the end makes me think something I swear I heard someone say " If you're blind to the forces that influence you they will instead control you"

[@Cotictimmy]

What is so remarkable about this podcast is that a captured academy has become so ideological that it has driven out real research & researchers - so researchers move to the Internet instead to make their findings accessible for us ordinary plebs. Well done Chris W. This is the citizenry democratising & replacing a failing ‘Academy’.

[@StateFlow-ns4mg]

Geary is a giant on the field!!

[@davidsmith8997]

Very calm and even delivery too. His book Males & Females is really worth getting if you want the detailed information.

[@JorJorIvanovitch]

It is always ironic that the people hollaring the most about diversity reject the idea that not only are individuals different, but so are groups. Embracing diversity should mean acknowledging and accepting average aggregate differences between groups. Not just biologically but culturally also.

[@DNA350ppm]

The problem with all the loanwords from Latin in the English language is that people don't understand them. People don't understand the root, the central concept, in these concepts, because the root is Latin. Equality means "as much worth". Similarity means "are almost the same". Gender means "of the same sort, classified the same, almost same within that gender". Different means "not of the same sort, the things we are talking about are not the same". This means that two things can be of the same worth, but still clearly different. *A certain amount of gold can be of the same worth as another amount of diamonds.* There is a great similarity between yellow tulips and white tulips. In some animals, like horses, the breeds can be more different between them, than between their genders, in some breeds one can see big differences, in some hardly at all, except in mating and procreation. Feminism, or women's rights movements, or women's lib - have all come forward with a great many ideas, but what is similar between them is that they have opposed against the notion, that feminine means less worth than masculine. Therefor they have all claimed that women should have as much worth as men, as much rights and a similar right to have as good and secure quality of life as men. And men should have "liberte', egalité, fraternité" among themselves as in the claims of the French revolution (1789), which inspired the US constitution. From the start there were women who wanted those ideas extended also to women, and men who found that claim logical and resonable and even biblical, as in the New Testament. It is not a core-belief of feminism that women and men are the same - how uneducated wouldn't that be! - but it is reasonable that both genders are as much worth and should be treated accordingly. Why would men need to deny equal worth and rights to women, just because there are differences, are men statistically that much dumber than women, statistically? If so, do we need listen to those dumber persons in these questions?

[@michaelsteinberg205]

I have a master’s degree in applied mathematics. The 3 to 1 ratio in higher math performance sounds accurate. About 25% of the students in my classes were women. Some of the top students were women.

[@blugreen99]

Why does nobody talk of outdoor physical work on building sites,underground in mines sewers, fishing boats ,abbatoirs,on battlefields ,etc.Women are greatly underrepresented in these fields. We need to end discrimination now.

[@scatton61]

How sad is that if in successful societies prospers and egalitarian, men are increasing their gender spatial awareness and cognitive ability and yet at the same time almost all education initiatives are aimed at women, in stem in particular, where women are taking up spaces that could have been taken up by men who may well be better suited.

[@asimplenight8220]

It'll collapse on them eventually, their actions will have consequences🤷.

[@manifest2203]

LMAO you think men (collectively) have improved in any way? 🤦‍♀️ Soem men have. Most haven’t. They have devolved.

[@danepaulstewart8464]

Wow, there is just TONS of solid information to be had here. I was pretty well riveted. Great conversation, gentlemen. Salúd.

[@scatton61]

If I was a young white guy coming through the world of academia right now and perhaps not very confident but entering the world of Education to go to university, why would he feel confident in applying for jobs when for the whole of his education he's been told that he has white privilege and that all of the initiatives to get people into work have been aimed at every other demographic except him. Then should he find himself in a room full of applicants for a job and there are people of different skin colour to him and women that he stands very little chance of getting that job. You have to ask yourself why would he put himself through University?

[@hxwow]

If you are white just check off the Hispanic box when applications ask for your ethnicity

[@aquarius-woman5364]

Go to a Conservative school with white males.

[@gosiachaaban2484]

Yes, my daughter was very good in maths but she did not enjoy it as much as humanities and chose the latter.

[@killermonjero]

My college history teacher got a math scholarship out of high school. While there she fell in love with history and made it her career. Same college, my math teacher studied English in college, but, obviously, he became a math teacher.

[@greenlight4412]

I think the differences are being denied is because people are focused on being entertained by a mostly Hollywood/media that is so progressive and open minded that their brains have fallen out.

[@BartdeBoisblanc]

A lot of people are on Ricky Gervas side and want Hollywood to just shutup with the woke shit and make good entertaining stories again.

[@YummyFoodOnlyPlz]

Being open minded also means being empty minded, and if you don't fill the emptiness with solid quality stuff, it's only a matter of time trash fills that emptiness. The only question remains is what kind of trash.

[@hanswoast7]

In 1st wave feminist there were two branches: upper class women wanting to work (intellectually) were insisting on "there are no differences whatsoever" to get access to upper class jobs. And in an intellectual space they were right. And there were lower class women wanting to work (in mostly physical jobs) who were insisting on "we need to adjust working conditions to physiological differences". They had a long battle to unite feminism and somehow the upper class feminism won. Now the only "proper" stance is "there are absolutely no differences". As you know this is too simple.

[@YummyFoodOnlyPlz]

@@kc6810 so are you open minded and fill your mind with only garbage to a point where you failed to read basic sentences? I said if open minded people (and I myself am very open minded) DON'T fill their mind with good stuff, then garbage has every opportunity to fill in. If you are going to attack my point, at least understand wtf i said on its face value.

[@poisnkristal]

1:12:06 Along with; fear of getting hurt and/or damaged aesthetically, as well as due to a lack of reaword/recognition from other females-whilst men measure winning a fight an achievement of success and gain respect from other men, females consider being socially likeable and envied as an equal kind of measure

[@eskeletoallah8132]

Red pill has been having this discussion for a long time

[@hitandruncommentor]

And the manosphere, and now when a certain m to the g to the o way is taking root in guys noping out, now the world cares. The myth of male power, the boy crisis, and so on came out in the 80s and 90s and no one cared. But now it effects the older people and the women's. Its a fucking joke.

[@AtheismF7W]

Chris can't handle the redpill.

[@TheMchef]

@@AtheismF7W he can, he knows it's not advertiser friendly

[@MarkovianMan]

I appreciated David Geary's acknowledgement that there are a small, carefully evaluated number of individuals with bona fide gender dysphoria and how transitioning is highly successful for those that do.

[@alison8817]

A very interesting but also male centric discussion about sex differences. The main reason we have inequality is because society values what men tend towards more i.e. STEM, but what women tend towards is of course of equal if not more value i.e. care, but is not valued in the same way. A society designed around mother's would be so completely different to what we have and women would not feel the need to delay or avoid motherhood in order to feel valued or to earn a living. As an example, if society considered that research nurses are actually working in the science field rather than 'nursing' then perhaps we would recognise that how the research is delivered/deployed is just as important as how it was developed in a lab. No-one would volunteer for a clinical trial if they weren't respected and well cared for. The trials would fail if the research wasn't delivered with accuracy and with the volunteers safety and comfort given priority. That's the bit that the nurses do. I work in this field, there's not a single man in a huge team of nurses but we don't get paid anything like what the 'scientists' do because it's not deemed as important or valuable but you can't have one without the other.

[@petkofenersky1644]

Great discussion! Thank you!

[@TheRexTera]

Best thing we men can do for ourselves is to “Keep It Simple Stupid”. Do NOT overcomplicate life to the point where we have just a lot of stuff going on that we simply can’t compartmentalise.

[@blackwell2322]

"Hashtag...where is home?" oh man Chris. Hahahaha. That was awesome.

[@Lolo-ux1pw]

I think the answer to this question " why are gender differences being denied" is the same answer that gave rise to feminism. Women and men are not being treated with equal RESPECT and DIGNITY. Truth is there ARE differences but since women couldn't get the same respect as a man for their work and role in society they abandoned those roles/work and insisted they deserve equal respect because "they can do anything a man can do" (wrong) The answer here is give women, their work, and their role in society EQUAL RESPECT AND DIGNITY and women will come back to those feminine roles THAT means women NEED TO BE PAID for what we do. Changing diapers, cleaning messes, teaching children, managing familes are just AS if not MORE skilled, difficult and important to producing a healthy economy and society as any office job or even tradesmen. The root to this problem is disrespect for women's work.

[@Lolo-ux1pw]

@Jiminy Crunkett ?! I think you misunderstand me. I have and prefer a traditional relationship with my husband. I do homemaking/cooking and cleaning and he does maintenance. We are happy and thriving... That doesn't negate the fact that every profession traditionally held by women is significantly undervalued in our economy. Partly because we don't teach women to ask for what they are worth and partly because we (as a society) think womens work is easy therefore easy to pay less and dismiss. I didn't think what I'm saying is controversial..."women and men are DIFFERENT AND each gender role is equally important to the production of a healthy economy and society. Therefore, the work is different but deserving of EQUAL respect, dignity, and appreciation within our community."...please tell me how that is feminist brain rot?!

[@Lolo-ux1pw]

@@loganblackwood2922 it's odd that you assume women think they should get respect for "just being a woman" and that men "earn their respect by doing something to earn respect"...bruh my ENTIRE point is that the WORK women contribute to our society is undervalued, unseen, and dismissed as "easy unskilled labor"🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️. I'm saying women should be respected for THE WORK WE DO. Idk how else to say that in a way that can be translated, maybe have a man explain it to you. Somehow those words have more weight/ is taken seriously when it comes out of a man's mouth 😑☠

[@anthonydowney6069]

@@Lolo-ux1pw But the reality is that your Alpha females don't exactly have an admirable character and personality traits either. They pay nannies and servants to bring up their kids even surrogacy obscene kardashian eg. Business executives and so on.

[@annichka8711]

I agree with most everything you two discussed except for one thing: the ability to navigate and “find your way through the woods.” I don’t see any difference in that area. Women may not be out hunting the wildebeest, but we’re not just sitting by the fire.

[@mikasasukasa4479]

This'll be a good one.

[@runeyugi]

Facts

[@ChickFenwick]

Let's go. lol

[@boggy7665]

Retired from a labor job where I was qualified for & could've been the engineer. Women-dominated office hired women engineers & it was very frustrating as they had little grasp of the processes they were supposed to be overseeing.

[@oakinwol]

The young men who arent engaged are not the type to riot. They are sedated, but even if they werent when the women, family, and stuff are truly not desirable there is truly nothing to riot for. I think the young men are rejecting the desire for these things completely. This is whats happening in japan with the herbavore men. Even when they work they'll work for the bare minimum because theres no point working for more. The bigger issue will be the decreased productivity, economic activity, and family creation rather than those particular men making a mess. The men who arent those men are more likely to make the mess

[@arthurvp1682]

I think men are sedating themselves to fill the void of purpose. As for myself i've observed when I cut out the sedating distractions, i get overwhelmed by unease. An eagerness but without any goal, after a while it gets painful because it does not find its way out and eats me up inside, it confronts me with the void, the feeling of uselessness, of life passing by with nothing to show for. When this male energy does not get channeled into a purpose then it can either turn on itself or turn towards the environment. Sedating yourself is the easiest way if you have the time and means to do it, for those that can't, they will turn agressive.

[@natalieraulo9773]

Xcellent topic. Thanks Chris 🙂

[@PreferredMethods]

There’s a big difference between believing that men and women have equal value and human rights, and thinking they are equatable in all applications, in all individual cases.

[@fandommenace9575]

‘“Equitable in all applications “ this is an impossibility even amongst men you can never be equitable in all applications (all men would have to be equally great intellectuals, sports men etc. there will be no accounting for variability in the end all men would be clones)

[@gogolaygo1903]

😂😂 loled at the buzzfeed 10 dogs comment

[@jerloxcool6671]

You can see diffrent behavior in male and female todlers my god. Baby Girls are more interested in person and studying them and how they behave, baby boys are more interested in their suroding how thinks work and so on, and less in behaving of other people. I dont really understand how cant people see this stuff.

[@sol-hunter2332]

Confirmation bias, my guess. A lot of people don't want to see it and thus refuse to observe the obvious.

[@hitandruncommentor]

Because blank slate has to be true, or their entire world view is a lie. Which it is. But they think then we have to go back to aristocracy, which we dont.

[@jtrealfunny]

Just starting in here. I've watched some hours of your stuff and always look to see who you are interviewing. Just a general comment from one viewer: I think some of the subjects, like online dating, building muscle, life hacks, or 'are men and women really different' I start out thinking this topic is dumb, online dating is lame and misogynist just because it's a de-humanizing shortcut, building more muscle doesn't promise a holistic solution, etc... This guy is really compelling but I don't care. I cared a lot about some of the biological perspectives to human relationships, or how modern life shapes and transforms us. I'll keep checking in and thanks for making and sharing these.

[@balapalaida1437]

I just cannot understand what is the gain of this, because literature on sex differences have been pretty much done in last sentry and left closed. Who is gaining from forcing a debate about biological facts without arguments or research to prove it?

[@edwardkeirle4453]

Who is gaining from ignoring biological reality, and who is losing as a result?

[@TheWhitehiker]

On the beam as usual, Chris-- thanks much.

[@simonincognito6286]

Very interesting interview. Finally, honest facts and science, not some woke ideological bullcrap.

[@missyfell2075]

I’ve been saying for years that the problem is society’s relative devaluation of girls’ and women’s strengths vis a vis boys’ and men’s strengths. Instead of recognizing this problem and working to rectify it by demanding equal pay and respect for traditional women’s work, women’s liberation activists demanded that girls and women be given greater opportunities to pursue employment in traditionally male dominated fields, even if affirmative action was required to achieve the activists’ goals. In addition, those same activists sought to train girls and women to believe there was little to no value in their traditional roles in society, for example, child rearing and caring for the elderly, sick, and disabled, teaching the young, etc. And, sadly, they succeeded. Not only have stay at home mothers and women who care for and teach other people’s children become devalued by men, WOMEN now do so too. The number of working mothers complaining openly and bitterly about how much they have to pay other WOMEN to raise their children for them while they work full time outside the home is not only infuriating to me, it makes me very sad. Children are our most precious “possessions,” which is the word I use only because I can’t think of a better one, and yet women are happy to pay the men who detail their cars more than they’re willing to pay the women taking care of their children for up to 10 hours a day, almost all of the little ones’ waking and therefore formative hours. True women’s lib advocates should be fighting to get society to VALUE women’s strengths and pay women working in jobs that require those strengths equal to jobs that require men’s strengths instead of denying biological reality. Sadly, we’ve driven the message home so well to boys as to girls that marriage and family life, which are the basic building blocks of society, have been so devalued that participation in those activities has declined and is now in almost free fall, to the ultimate unhappiness of so many and collapse of society overall.

[@jlokyo180]

Simple. Divide & Conquer. If you want to divide the family unit, throw society into disarray and make it easy to control, you sow doubt in society about who does what, or who is valued for what, so that there are no clearly defined roles or expectations. Then everything becomes this generic mish-mash, grey, nebulous entity and no one knows who is responsible for doing what. Chaos ensues and opportunists (aka sociopaths) thrive.

[@manifest2203]

There is no propaganda to divide families. In today’s times being married for a woman means taking on an adult dependent male who brings problems too. Marriage was always a lie which made women serve a male who would never pass natural selection of males which exists in mammals (which humans are also). Now since women have a choice not to be with such a male, women walk away. They don’t want anyone to nag them for s3x, his food, his laundry, yo clean up the space he tidied and what not. Not to mention other problems he brings such as STDs, other women, and other children he fathers. Also, the problems with vio*lence. Every woman is more likely to d*ie at the hands of the male she is with rather than a stranger. Most women who were ki*lled were k*illed by someone she knew. Even the number one cause of de*ath of a pregnant woman is mur*der at the hands of the father of her child. It is not even medical complications as one might expect. No one ever talks about male deg*enracy when talking about relationships 🤦‍♀️

[@user-oi9iz9jr8y]

Fantastic show Chris 😊

[@juhel5531]

We need to start either looking at majority of women as disposable and subhuman if they haven't acheived top 20% status while also giving said women more opportunities to excel while taking away their poverty floors or we need to start treating men as inherently valuable and giving them poverty floors. Either way, it would make societal expectations from men and women more equitable and just.

[@mistyscondras5237]

Dorothy Sayers, sometime in the 30's, compared the male/female debate to debating the relative value of engineers and poets, or of racehorses and elephants. The idea needs to be repeated. There's no need to compare, because both sets of characteristics are essential to society.

[@normanshadow1]

My sons first word was momo for motorcycle. Back in the day i was one of those progressive parents and tried not to make a differance with toys etc. Boys and girls are different!

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

Yes. Was in a play group. We were all mums from stem fields. We'd set up the toys etc in a circle. No matter what we did our sons would go straight to the sand pit, dump trucks, throw the dolls out of the prams and engage in charging at each other and ramming. 1980s so no toy guns allowed. The girls would go straight to the books or rescuing the dolls. Lol.

[@jessopeakestevens2361]

Great Chris, you've diagnosed the problem again. I wish just once you'd offer a set of solution

[@SarahG266]

From what I can tell, our culture has become confused. They are willing to accept the cultural differences of non-western societies concerning women (ones that don’t necessarily appear to consider women as equal) while at the same time they’re unable to accept roles and differences between the sexes of their own.

[@cslantz4020]

It is far, far worse then that. Our culture has been created and sabotaged I assume for the profit and exploitation of people. An entire generation separated from their parents direct influence instead to be influenced and manipulated through the screens of Television, Computers, and now finally Phones. Social media now obviously a datamining scheme to predict human behavior and invade our minds, with shit none of us really understands or needs to know, but watch and consume anyway because of boredom, and a misunderstanding of our reality and world. Our culture is confused due to our isolation from each other. Those at the top are just like those at the bottom, so far away and separated from the majority in the middle, yet those at the Top dictate everything those in the middle see, think, and in many ways, choose to believe and identify as. That means those in the middle are fighting each other over myths and legends, and those at the top and bottom are simply watching the show. Change happens when people become encompassed by a new idea, foreign or native. Christianity was foreign; it became native. Now It is gender equity, Womens Rights, Black Rights, Antifa, White Supremacy... all myths and legends, to the blind eye "truth" but to those who can see obvious lies to masquerade as "Help and Progress" when in reality is about controlling and turning people against each other over things that don't matter in the first place. A Brave New World indeed...

[@erobwen]

Women can be free and women can have equal opportunity, but they will never be equal.

[@jenconlin5019]

Looking forward to watching this tomorrow. I discovered Jordan Peterson last year and he was a breath of fresh air. I'm a married mum to a boisterous four year old boy, and I'm so glad these debates are happening and are accessible, despite the prevelance of the dreaded 'cancel culture'. The two sexes are on the whole very different, and they compliment each-other well (like yin and yang) and should be celebrated. I could not do a better job than what my husband does, he provides and protects, I nurture and nourish, it works well for us, it might not be the case for others, but for us, it's complimentary.

[@StateFlow-ns4mg]

Congratulations Chris!

[@lilbroomstick7914]

Huge fan Chris, looking forward to listening to this podcast during work. Have you been in contact with or at least heard of Psychacks here on youtube. Orion Taraban psyD he has gone from like 20k to 90k in literally only a couple months he reminds me a lot of Dr David Buss the way he has academic points to support the manosphere type topics in his videos

[@GGLiEx]

absolutely brilliant as always

[@gracie979797]

Male friends have told me that they think women are very prone to being jealous of each other and highly competitive amongst each other in very devious, cruel ways. As a woman, that seems pretty weird. Yes, we can experience envy but it's usually dealt with without cruelty or competition. Women value friendship and cooperation a lot. I think that's men overlaying how they are on us. They want to believe that the world of women is constant cat-fighting! They don't understand that that isn't the case. Transwomen often display that sort of behavior, though: their social media posts often are full of brags that they are "way hotter than any cis-woman could ever be" and that "cis-women fear I'll steal their husbands" - all of which seems very odd and rather comically male to us. But that's what comes naturally to men, and having XY brains they never bother to pay enough attention to women that they pick that we don't behave quite like. I guess men think they are behaving like women, but women notice the differences very easily.

[@fandommenace9575]

Very good point, too much oversimplification of complex human behaviour. Interestingly the film Mean Girls was directed by a man and produced by men.

[@sasa-ke2024]

What role models in STEM? Where do you see such? The models for girls are now the Kardashians. Top Model. Marry a footballer. Social media takes any woman who doesn't match that physical standard and tears them apart. To a 35 year old writer, Lady Gaga is a role model. To a teenager? " Women like Lady Gaga get made fun of". They criticize her hair, clothes, speech...they see a woman torn apart. The role model is Kylie Jenner, making 4 million per Instagram post, always in a bikini. How can you not look at this? Men continue to call their daughter princess and reward princess behaviour. Hong Kong girls say princesses are boring. Hong Kong girls do science.

[@-Gorbi-]

The emperor obviously has no clothes, I’m tired of living in the mind of a toddler, I’m tired of their hit pieces and ad hominems. Their game is so weak, its time to dunk on them so hard the backboard breaks

[@mariac7084]

Spectacular 🌹

[@thewaffler1513]

why are differences between different racial groups being denied?

[@anthonydowney6069]

Yes!That's the elephant in the room.

[@mattanderson6672]

Really good!!! Thhank you!!

[@jadedmastermind]

Men and women are equal in the sight of God. In all other ways, equality is a myth.

[@edenbreckhouse]

Your 'god' is also a myth.

[@jadedmastermind]

@@kc6810 I wouldn’t have it any other way. If everyone just gets handed everything regardless of how hard you strive to earn it, then why bother? In an equalized world there are no victories, no success or failure, no way to achieve, no way to grow, no way to stand out above the crowd. Equality sounds stifling, bland, and horrifying to me. I don’t want equal, I want better!

[@jadedmastermind]

@@kc6810 If you give all individuals equal opportunity, the outcomes will be unequal. Individual outcome inequalities by virtue of equal opportunity consequently means that group outcomes are unequal. That means men and women as categorical groups will naturally express unequal outcomes in achievement if and when men and women are given equal opportunity. Therefore, the only way to equalize outcomes must be at the point of a totalitarian gun and guillotine. Otherwise, totalitarian control must be exerted with shaming, insults, guilt, gaslighting, slander, and all the other tactics employed by teenage girls to bully their victims into silence through reputation destruction. This is precisely the tactics of the Left today: toxic femininity, aka Queen Bee bullying tactics.

[@anthonydowney6069]

@@kc6810 You'll really hate the Muslims then....

[@mwil15]

This is such a good interview

[@TRUEMIXEDBLOOD]

The l, "We're more similar than different." argument has always been pointless to me. Because, yes, men and women are, because we are the same species not because men and women are equivalent.

[@hitandruncommentor]

Thanks, I've always wanted to point that out too. It seemed obvious but scientists.

[@TravisBAnderson]

Whenever someone says that to me I simply reply: totally agree, we are different.

[@anthonydowney6069]

​@@kc6810 But the differences are what matter within the sexes as well as between the sexes.

[@anthonydowney6069]

@@kc6810 But the reality is that now that we can see when women are allowed (?!)to choose the men they prefer through the dating apps it's the physical, financial and educational criteria that overwhelmingly matter with yes hook up dating culture resulting. Which creates the omission of up to 30 %of males from that scene. This has also inevitably led to the increasing level of failure to form relationships.

[@anthonydowney6069]

@@kc6810 It's easy to be reductive rather than constructive and you complain when you don't get respected.

[@Incog781]

Men might be better at dodging projectiles but have you seen how women will dodge a question?

[@tylermassaro4266]

Another great video. Touched on so many of the braindead arguments that I hear being spewed, mostly by young women.

[@dosesandmimoses]

Apologies.. im new to this data, but what does one “do” with the results of investigating a possible correlation of height and sex difference in a population? Let’s assume there is a correlation.. ok.. now what does this data “do” (I say do for a lack of a better word?) gratitude.. thank you to Chris and his colleagues for bringing culturally relevant content consistently!

[@annasillanpaa1111]

There are biological gender diffences but there are many other big differences among people that have nothing to do with gender. For sure, women excel in qualities which are very benefical in tech, in addition to STEM at least in Finland women have globally best conflict resolution skills whereas men in Finland are among worst. Then, I assume Finland & other Nordic countries, are among those which you claim has high level of gender equality but low number of computer science students. This "expert" fails to look at the related research. So, let me give the research that he omits & my 35 years of experience in IT in Finland: - Finland had already late 80s & early 90s, almost 40% of women ICT graduates. Even the recent research shows that women with tech degrees are still systematically placed in lowest positions with high number of annual discrimination and harassment. Yet, they are among highest educated globally. - Women advance well in Finland but only in politics & support roles. Gender equality mostly come from the fact that high number of women are in labor force, incl. full time. Then, in tech we have lot of women in high level positions but they are lawyers, in HR, in communication, studied languages. - Some experiences that we women with tech degrees face, especially those high achieving: careers destroyed by supervisors demanding sex/relationship or if you ask about pay; taking away work & reducing drastically role in the most belittling ways like not telling about it & discussing minor role for years and women need to agree their role with ten male colleagues time and again while men are given their role immediately; not giving work with comment "you have earned millions to the company but I'm not giving you work" and soon she is fired; women's applications "not noticed" or told they are "not suitable" despite decades of experience & men with lesser qualifications are hired in masses; women's mass layoffs; work evaluations & distribution is very biased; lot of shouting, inappropriate comments, wrong instructions, not allowed to speak in mtgs, supervisors telling not to work, systematically put to teach others etc; NOT once in my 35 years in tech I have heard that any of these women got any help if they raised issues and often legally retailated for years, fired etc and I know tens & tens of such women. Only thing the companies do is forcefully silence the women & reward the worst culprits. They don't even care if important customer projects fail etc. This is what especially high achieving women with tech degrees typically face here most of their careers. - These women were often top of their class, have often high IQ, have participated in international STEM competitions early on, have two degrees, have been given awards by the companies. - MANY women with tech degrees have left the industry for low paying jobs, many who have stayed have severe mental disorders. - I know tens of women in Finland with tech degrees & only one has daughter who is considering to study tech. This is exceptional, in medicine etc the numbers are high that mothers & daughters study same field. - Also, if you look the research on violence against women, it is high in Nordic countries. At least Sweden is better in many aspects but not all, and there are diffences but Finland is among worst in EU and beyond, e.g. high rape rates, e.g. much higher than what the US has, high domestic violence & femicide, high gender pay gap, high discrimination especially for highly educated women, high work place harassment figures. Finland has established the laws procting women very late, among latest in EU, they are very lenient & female victims are even according to Amnesty Int'l "very tenaciously blamed" for these crimes. In general, Finland has very high women's early retirement rates due to depression. According to research, women's abuse, harassment etc causes depression. - We also have very strong gender roles in Nordic countries. They are NOT subtle. Women are systematically punished for any misconduct, especially at work place, women's concerns are systematically ignored & retaliated, women are blamed if something goes wrong, women are penalized for minor mistakes; whereas rarely anyone intervenes when men's bad behaviour, their aggressivity is seen as positive, even their big mistakes are seen as positive learning experiences, etc. The bad laws & company policies the major tech companies push are misogynistic & focus on punishing women that raise concerns, seek justice etc & allowing the envious, misogynistic supervisors to pretty freely use their anger & even often rage by grave misuse of power. Then, this they praise with very deceiptful narratives. - The major tech companies have lot of power at least in Finland. They have very close contacts with key right wing politicians who strongly support them, they have held for decades key positions in business lobbying organizations' & major media houses' boards which have very deceiptful narratives. For example, the media is well aware of the problems but refuse to write about them as they are "eternal problems". Instead, they praise the worst culprits and hide their bad economic results. They also have close contacts with our sovereign wealth fund & pension funds which support these companies by "investing" billions to them. In addition, the gov't recently supported one of them with tens of billions due to their huge investment losses w.r.t. investments to German & Russian energy companies which have been hugely critizied from the beginning. It was very clear they did not do proper due diligence on these investments. Interestingly, I have worked in tech in 3 countries. Finland, the US & France. In the US & France, I was systematically promoted in 1-2 years and did not have any fundamentally negative treatment from supervisors. All supervisors were good and mostly excellent & fair & provided me w/ many other great opportunities which I haven't gotten in Finland in 25 years. In Finland, 8-12 years for each promotion & very big difference in how the mgmt & supervisors treat you. As a summary, there is a very strong misogynistic wave in the tech, at least in Finland, that wants to paint a very positive image of the world's most misogynistic sector, tech companies, in Finland. To some extent globally. The fact of the matter is that many Eastern countries like China, Vietnam etc have much better work place gender equality overall. The West & especially Europe & many in the US try to sugar coat this to advanced gender equality when it is the opposite. The fact of the matter is that these "experts", execs, male engineers etc don't want especially high achieving female engineers around. They do NOT wish to honestly tell what the overwhelming research states, how they treat female engineers & how they fear that the female engineers in West would often be much better than men. It can be lack of knowledge but mostly it is about misogyny, power & fragile male egos.

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

That’s a very interesting point. In the West you often see Scandinavia cited as gender equality “nirvana” (although Finland isn’t part of Scandinavia). I used to think so too, until I got into Scandi Noir. I saw a LOT of underlying misogyny in these dramas. It made me wonder and when you mentioned the high rates of rape and DV, then that made a lot of sense to me.

[@annasillanpaa1111]

@@dumfriesspearhead7398 Thank you! Of course, there are good men (& women) & typically they are the brightest ones. Unfortunately, also fair amount of the opposite ones incl high level leadership in all major sectors. Tech is definitely not good, apart from the support roles.

[@anthonydowney6069]

Rape by immigrants in Sweden 5 to 10 times ethnic Swedes.

[@juliebella1221]

They shut women out because men don't want the women to have access to all the perverse stuff they're doing. It's just that simple.

[@eurodelano]

A lot of discussion about male physical prowess and advantages yet no discussion about women’s superior fine motor skills. Girls develop superior fine motor skills early in childhood and maintain this superior ability throughout their lives.

[@jimijamesatlantian4423]

Hahahahahaha

[@brainysmurf74]

More supremacy talk

[@anthonypesola3294]

Sex evolved as a function to create the smallest non one (energy efficient) method of increasing controlled randomness in the gene pool - allowing for just enough diversity of trait for the success of adapted children. That's all sex is. Did we forget?

[@toomuchinformation]

I hope to hell we did.

[@anthonydowney6069]

That's what makes it interesting unless of course you'd rather be an amoeba....

[@kaushikvsmaniyan]

1:48 - 3:30 - that seems to demonstrate that women want that path to be open to those among them who want it but most of them don't necessarily actually want it rather are only trying to do so in countries & places where that opportunity is limited or absent in order to make that point. It sounds like a very expensive way to make a point

[@Squeegee216]

I don’t mean to brag or anything but this is obvious to me. I don’t even have a degree believe it or not.

[@_6-6_]

I think it’s so hotly debated because if men can’t be women, then women can’t be men.

[@drcrocodile1]

It's hard to believe more psychologists aren't speaking out about this: As part of normal human development, there is a phase we all pass through during adolescence, called Personality Clearinghouse. This is the phase during which people experiment with their personality expression. We go through our Goth phase, for example, or embrace a personality as a Stoner, Metalhead, Nerd, Jock, Snappy Dresser, etc, etc. As Western culture now largely denies the impact of Biology on preferences, personality expression, etc., gender has now been co-opted into the same bucket as the rest of the personality experiment categories. In other words, when a biological boy says "I'm a girl," this is now seen as roughly the same as a boy saying "I'm a Jock" or "I'm a Nerd." This is problematic for a few big reasons. One is the downstream consequence of following through with this choice (the consequences of temporary membership into a group like 'Nerd' are far less than impactful that following through on changing ones gender). Two is that when we hit obstacles in life we are left with a choice: Buckle down and try harder with the same approach, or change our approach. Because gender is now seen as a social choice, rather than a biological given, people now have the option to switch genders when they encounter adversity in their current roles. This is especially problematic for the newer generations who were raised with overinvolved parents, and have low distress tolerance for adversity as a result. The third is the secondary social gain and power many people get when they come out as trans. It would be interesting to see research that notes the prevalence of trans people who also have Borderline Personality Disorder, a disorder characterized by extremely low distress tolerance and personality instability.

[@fandommenace9575]

Good points also it is gender expression that is a social construct. Gender is based in biology, the term gender was used in the 1940’s or 50’s because it was felt the word sex was too vulgar to use within academic circles.

[@wendellbabin6457]

Would LOVE to see this guy and Jordan Peterson compare notes for 2-3 hours. Maybe a TOUR appearance in San Francisco, LA, and New York.