Moira after the DPS passive is buffed... (Hazard patch)

[@machiechirps]

I genuinely have no idea what they were doing with those patches. I didn't even realize they changed the passive at first but after trying the game yesterday I could literally feel something was wrong.. I'm not even a pro or anything but my orbs need work but I could consistently win 1v1s with tracers as long as I use fade to juke and heal orb. Yesterday I just... couldn't anymore. I had a 1v1 that lasted 23 seconds on numbani with a tracer that flanked all the way back to first point. Three heal orbs, a fade juke, and she still won. Genjis dive even more now because they know Moira's self heal is basically aesthetic. It just feels miserable to play as anything other that turtling with the team and healbotting the whole time

[@Korhi]

It's funny Lucio got compensatory buffs to his self healing but Moira got fuck all. Moira feels even worse this patch. But god forbid you complain about it, lest all the "Moira takes no skill" gamers come out of the woodwork to remind you they've never really played the hero.

[@mousetrap4751]

As someone with over 100 hours on her, she takes no skill. Stop being delusional

[@SecureBirch410]

​@@mousetrap4751 nobody was saying she's more skillful than other supports. You missed the point

[@sideeswipe]

She got a buff the patch before to her self healing…

[@sethescope]

​@@mousetrap4751 I always love seeing comments like this because it proves how little you understand the game and telegraphs the fact that you're not in a very high rank and are definitely not good at Moira. it doesn't matter how many hours you have on her. every hero takes skill. not every hero requires the same type of skill. it's laughable that you would type something as asinine as "mOiRa TaKeS nO sKiLl" in the comments of one of arx's videos.

[@Vermillion808]

Lifeweaver got absolutely decimated this patch.

[@rvgr]

@@Vermillion808 lifeweaver got decimated the second he was a hero in this game

[@FxverDream]

Another season of moira and weaver being absolute doggy doo-doo 😔

[@shebjjeje9720]

Skill ceiling now matches value given

[@Doomthepixarkid]

You gathered from this video that Moira is “doo-doo”? Did we watch the same video?

[@opal8243]

And mercy

[@opal8243]

@@Doomthepixarkidhe is high rank 😂

[@FPSLarryIII]

@@opal8243Moira can solo carry at low ranks lmao. One of the easiest characters to climb.

[@StanKween]

They see how much players love the classic overwatch experience and wants to control healing numbers down to 2000 per match. They might as well just turn this game into CSO.

[@YellowSpaceMarine]

Gotta love never being able to heal a tank as a healer. They might as well just delete healers from the game at this point.

[@sethescope]

the best advice I ever heard for playing support was from Jayne: be more than a mobile health pack. the 25% dps passive means your team is on a short timer; you need to win the fight quickly or the other team grinds your team down and you lose. heal strategically and contribute in non-healing ways. the old adage "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" is true for overwatch. helping your team secure necessary elims is typically going to be far more valuable than trying desperately to heal all the incoming damage, which is numerically impossible in most cases. basically, the role is called support, not healer, for a reason. healing is only one tool in your toolkit, and it's not always the right tool for the job.

[@SuperScopeRawks]

Scarlet Witch makes me realize I wish Moira had a skill shot.

[@Tiago-xl8ug]

1000%

[@rvgr]

I don’t think she will get one, she was meant to be an easy to pick up hero for beginners. Maybe I’m wrong.

[@jclokwork]

@@rvgrI agree, low level entry but hard to master. That said, with these nerfs, a skill shot would be welcome in my book.

[@atagen2186]

@@rvgr she's meant as an accessibility hero to my understanding

[@hom3r]

From the start since 5v5 was introduced it was always about how fast you eliminate your opponents. Healbots wont win you games, zen, Ana debuffs are crucial in fights. If support can’t dps you lost half of the fights.

[@trapperjarrett1944]

Crazy survival skills on that second point

[@nonmagicalwitch]

The thing Moira needs is her identity back. She needs a higher skill ceiling. And she needs her most fun playstyle, the offtank, back. I think giving targets that receive healing a bit of dmg reduction to ignore the dps passive and giving targets that are being attacked by Moira a reduction to their dmg output is the best way of accomplishing that. The numbers can be tweaked, of course. This would A: Insentivice and reward bouncing an orb well so it heightens her skill ceiling while keeping her skill floor low. B: Revert the massive nerf tank Moira got through the dps passive, since dmg reduction isnt affected by the passive. C: Reward her design more by her being the "One hand gives, the other hand takes away" Hero. You can stack both dmg output reduction and dmg taken reduction, so effectively, using your entire kit is more rewarding. D: Make her resource more important to manage and use effectively. Juggling between healing and damaging would have a bigger impact and would further increase her skill ceiling. This would also have the positive side effect of increasing her risk when making decisions, so another layer of skill expression is added. E: Make Coal be a better designed ultimate, damaging and healing being both more important to do at the same time would increase how her hero fantasy and the hero fantasy of her ult feel. F: Make Moiras area denial more impactful. A widow or Sojurn don't have to fear damage orbs, but them decreasing their damage dealt would actually be important to play around. Yeah, and don't touch fade. It's got a great skill floor and ceiling and is fitting extremely well into Moiras kit.

[@SecureBirch410]

Are you suggesting they put dmg reduction on the primary fires? It didn't work when they put it on damage orb. But it could be an interesting idea, like a stacking reduction/increase to help reward good actions per minute or whatever they call it. So tap heal and do damage /tap damage heal would be more rewarding than Moira's that just hold a button. But Imo a simple change that would help Moira's skill ceiling a lot is a slight rework to the orbs. Right now Moira's abilities are both low cooldowns and spammable which isn't great for her skill floor to encourage like locking areas down and better/more punishing orb placement they could say double the capacity of the orb, increase how long it lasts and increase the cooldown. Say it lasts 10 and has 12 second cooldowns. The orbs have needed a capacity buff anyway. Could also add that players can shoot them since they are maybe too dangerous in rooms otherwise, either way this takes someone out of the fight shooting the orb, ie shooting it would deal damage and take away capacity equal to that damage. Which would also add a tech that Moira could hide her head hitbox in an orb.

[@Solotive]

Yeah the balance changes are just nonsensical

[@br1mdaddy]

52:23 haha even i would be jabaited :D

[@kelvincaban3997]

can someone explain to me how they almost lost the match that ended at minute 26? on paper it looks like they just decimated them.

[@br1mdaddy]

tried to play like you tonight - 2/2 wins, 2 potgs, most dmg and kills in my team

[@Thisone-ct5nk]

no wonder i’ve been on a terrible loss streak dps passive got bugged again

[@Drummist]

That Doom in the last game....

[@son_guhun]

New Moira Passive: Succ Succ Punch Your quick melee attacks can now be charged. If you charge it for 1 second, it deals an extra 40 damage, heals you for 40 damage and applies anti-heal for 3 seconds. Can only hold full charge for 1 second.

[@boothefrogert]

Them boosting the passive was an awful idea, I’m loosing matches because of one or two hits and my supports are indeed healing but it doesn’t matter because of the boost

[@sethescope]

you're facing the same conditions as the other team is. they're affected by the DPS passive too, so I don't genuinely think you can blame the DPS passive for your losses; it would probably be more productive to consider how you need to adjust your gameplay to take the higher passive into account.

[@boothefrogert]

@ no I totally get that but it isn’t just me or my gameplay, it’s also just bad positioning from my team and it just doesn’t feel so fun to play it, it very much isn’t just me and yeah I’ve made some dumb plays but the dps passive boost has made it so unfun to play

[@sethescope]

@boothefrogert I can definitely relate to having teammates who are silly geese and who make....... let's say ambitious plays 😂 and you KNOW sometimes I'm the one making those ambitious plays and dpsing a little more than is helpful for my team. tbh, teammates always have the capacity to be good or bad. and yes, there is going to be an adjustment period for everyone, just like there was an adjustment period when the passive was first introduced. try to see it as an opportunity to grow and improve than just a problem; I've found that to be a helpful to keep in mind. I can't change what my teammates do, and I don't make balance decisions, but I can control how I respond to those things. it's worth remembering at least

[@boothefrogert]

@sethescope my whole point was that I'm just not having fun on the game since the boost. I'm enjoying the 6v6 cause they nerfed it back down and it feels healthy. I get needed to adjust but I'm only saying it's unfun, but if you need a healer to make a stupid play with you to have fun hmu 😆

[@sethescope]

@boothefrogert just do what I do and feed harder in the backline, it's hella fun 😂😂😂 maybe not for my team but who CARES about those dweebs

[@morevrai]

I would love to see you play wanda tbh

[@zanmato3673]

Like and suscribe ! =)

[@WDWolf100]

Winter maps are the best! Hush you! (though I understand your ire)

[@jclokwork]

Won’t be touching this game until they make Moira viable again. I’d wear that T-shirt. Def not buying the battle pass this season.

[@NURSEBOT80]

Personally, I like to play support to heal-bot! I love doing big healing numbers, but with these patches, is like they're trying to push for a more DPS/Support playstile. What is the reason to play Moira now? Or Lifeweaver? Even Mercy, healing a tank with the passive up is a struggle! Nice work Blizzard lol.

[@shebjjeje9720]

Healbotting doesn’t win you games , it never did

[@announcer1356]

Good luck heal botting, only feeding enemy ultimates.

[@sethescope]

it's called support, not healer, for a reason. your job is to support your team and help them win the fight. healing is only one of the tools in your support toolkit. if you neglect the other tools, you can't be surprise when you struggle against teams with supports who use more than one of their tools. don't get me wrong, healing is important. it's a key part of the job description. that is something the support role provides to the team. but the support role has never been intended to be able to outheal all incoming damage. also, caring about big numbers is also going to hold you back. do you want huge healing numbers or do you want to win? sometimes you'll win by healing a lot, but not always. I'm certain you have games where you lose and look at the scoreboard and think, "But I did so much healing! I did my job!" when the enemy supports have a few thousand less healing than you but they contributed damage and elims and utility which helped their team win. again, it's not one or the other. you need to be able to do things to your team AND to the other team. also, in 99.99% of situations, Mercy should not be considered the main source of healing for the tank. Mercy does not have the tools to provide the kind of healing that tanks need. she can be impactful, I'm a mercy main after all, but just sitting afk behind your tank healing them and never damage boosting ults or impactful abilities or just damage boosting teammates at key moments* is failing to contribute the great value a mercy can provide. *notice I am not limiting her contribution to DPS damage and abilities. every teammate can be a great damage boost target; it just depends on the situation. don't blame or make fun of blizzard because you don't understand the game and your role on a pretty fundamental level. that's on you, not them.