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[@steward1003]

I love how Americans now know Robbie Williams as "that monkey man"

[@Somedude72]

No?

[@starsuper64]

I just know him from that one ad in a Caddicarus video Helped he was British

[@Dr.OctaviusBiggKnutts]

@@Somedude72yes, robbie williams is irrelevant in america

[@optimusgaming8629]

I have never heard about that man in my whole life

[@fitzcharles33]

Definitely among Americans under 35 lol

[@Seto_Saotome]

When I first heard about it, for a sec I thought it was a spin off story about a celebrity ape in the planet of the apes universe

[@rileyfreeberg9933]

Literally had this same thought. Glad I’m not alone.

[@JpegJoko]

Ah, that would’ve been cooler

[@jaysonwallace7865]

That probably would’ve been a better movie lol

[@toa9329]

@@jaysonwallace7865it’s a good movie

[@aliasjon8320]

That would've gone so much harder lmao

[@DCBiscuit]

When I first heard about Monkey Man, I thought it was a biopic about ROBIN Williams. Then I thought that Robin Williams would probably have enjoyed being depicted as a monkey. Then I thought it was weird that Robin Williams was being portrayed as a Brit… it took me a little bit to realize it wasn’t about Robin Williams.

[@SnazzyVQ]

Same brother same😭

[@spaghettibolognese5838]

monkey man was dev patels movie, robbie william’s movie is called better man

[@doomslayer169]

to be fair robin is a very hairy guy so its fair to think hes a monkey

[@jointsok8056]

@@spaghettibolognese5838the year of the monkeys

[@c0r]

Audience: Hollywood doesn’t take risks and nothing is original ! Also Audience: apparently it’s good … well I’ve never heard of it so I won’t see it.

[@cooliostarstache5474]

A biopic isn't original. I want original stories, not non fiction

[@maxmetalknight]

So surreal hearing Americans not knowing Robbie. From 2002 to 2004 he was unstoppable in Europe, had a hit song almost every week or so, that every grandma knows

[@Cheebs555]

I'm 47 and I've honestly never heard of him.

[@zacmcwilliams2811]

Ur American...​@@Cheebs555

[@Cheebs555]

@@zacmcwilliams2811 yep. Crazy how he's that big and no one in the US has a clue who he is.

[@Zack_Wildfire]

​@@zacmcwilliams2811 I'm 30 and don't know who he is

[@skyrimxglitch]

Never heard of em, must be fake news

[@MixerHaven1975]

I saw one ad for this and immediately laughed and turned my phone off.

[@TheGoodCrusader]

I got bombarded by the ads for like 3 days

[@aledandrian]

It’s a great movie tho

[@benjamin-papa]

bit dramatic aren't ya mate

[@glareicebutts1423]

@@aledandrian yeah that really shows 😂

[@Nick_J_]

@@aledandrianHow? It’s about a guy nobody knows turned into a monkey for reasons that make no sense. It would have been better if it was 2D animated and everyone else was also an animal of some kind

[@alphacuz]

Living in New Zealand everyone knew Robbie Williams songs in the late 90’s early 2000’s. In the same breath, no one really cared or asked for this biopic. He’s iconic to people in the UK and nowhere else

[@Croutonking65]

Man, people are all talk. They complain about how they hate how Hollywood rehashes and reboots the same IPs yet the reasons people are giving for not seeing this movie equates to, “I’m not seeing it cause it’s not related to something I already like.”

[@Hok7a]

lmao for real

[@Jacob-ir6zi]

No it's because it looks like a pretentious headache of a film. The trailer shows us a monkey person and then says "I'm Robbie Williams, I'm one of the most famous people in the world." I'm 30 years old and American and I've never heard of this guy. If he really was as famous as he claims then Americans would be the first to know about him so the whole "oh you're American" isn't an excuse and neither is "well he was more famous years ago" there are artists who only had 4 years of an active career and everyone knows who they were. Next a biopic is not original. This may be an original concept for a biopic but biopics are not original. I havent seen this movie but I know what to expect. It's going to start off with him either as a baby or a child, we're going to see him become a singer and rise to stardom but then fall due to various reasons and then be humbled by his fall and then find solace in making his current career what it is but accepting he wont be as famous as he was before but that's ok. Is that basically the plot? Thats literally what almost every biopic does and its so predictable and exhausting. I want biopics like the SNL movie where we see a very specifc moment in someone's life. I think.those are good biopics but Scorsese is a master at making biopics however his films are an exception. Most biopics that arent directed by scorsese are boring. I personally thought the Bob Dylan movie was just good but not great

[@glswenson]

They'd rather sit at home and scroll TikTok for hours.

[@cooliostarstache5474]

A biopic isn't original, though

[@Dorian39]

Shame because Better Man is actually a pretty solid movie. And he’s a cgi monkey because of how he felt unstable during fame and addiction.

[@novaajax7699]

It was but idk why they used someone who hasn't been relevant in a long time

[@philimanilie9293]

Fame? Nobody's ever heard of him

[@Dorian39]

@@philimanilie9293 He’s popular in the UK, so people have heard of him

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

​@novaajax7699 that's exactly, 10m budget sure 110m screams money laundering to me. No way anyone thought a guy who hasn't really been in the UK spotlight nevermind never being a hit in America for 20 years was worth that

[@theotherone.6684]

@@philimanilie9293he’s big in the UK, he just isn’t popular in the USA bc most people here (including me) just don’t like his music and he has failed to launch his career here like 3 times lol

[@ffejgib]

"Better Man" looks like a Coldplay music video.

[@thsudy]

“I’m Robbie Williams, one of the biggest stars in the world” Charlie: “who? Brother I’m the internet”

[@Cheebs555]

I've never heard of the guy.

[@toa9329]

Charlie thinks that the American side of the internet is the entirety of it

[@Cheebs555]

@toa9329 the side that matters obviously. If they are counting on the US for their box office money.

[@toa9329]

Honestly it could just be a passion project and less of a product. Robbie was always the eccentric type

[@justsomedude7747]

I m from europe and I didnt know who he was like until he googled it and I remembered. Just dont remember names of celebs for some reason I forget them just like the huge ones

[@ConorBasquille]

This is actually a fantastic movie, but $110 million for a movie made for British and Irish audiences was awfully optimistic. Guess they were hoping Americans would give it a chance based on reception alone but Cinema audiences are more fickle than that

[@Cheebs555]

No. It's not that. Most of us don't know who he is. So we have no interest. Seems like a lot of people across the pond like him. They should have concentrated on those theaters.

[@ConorBasquille]

@Cheebs555 that's exactly what I'm saying. Just being a good movie doesn't motivate people to go to the cinema anymore, it needs to be something that people have some affinity to for them to spend their money on it. Americans have no connection to Robbie Williams so they're not gonna go see it, even if it's worth seeing just on its own merit

[@toa9329]

@@Cheebs555you realise that there are more Europeans than Americans and Robbie is very popular in Europe so…

[@Lichelf]

​@@Cheebs555Did they not concentrate on European theaters? What does "concentrate" even mean in this context?

[@aledandrian]

@@ConorBasquille that’s why we’re getting Toy Story 5 and Jurassic Park 7 instead of actually good mid-budget movies with original concepts

[@dnade6809]

Robbie Williams is popular in Australia, in the female 60+ demographic… also performed before our New Year’s Eve fireworks event in Sydney. Also also, a massive narcissist

[@Jacob-ir6zi]

"I'm one of the most famous people in the world"... I never would have thought that someone who said this line would be a narcissist

[@JawnLouis]

This 1000% seems like something from the opening scene of tropic thunder 2

[@kobehaizel5478]

I saw this at a mystery movie screening and I was so upset when I realized it was Better Man but I was sold right after the first song and I don’t really like musicals

[@NikkiLovesYouLotsx]

When I first saw the ad for this film I thought I was having a fever nightmare. Im English so I know who Robbie Williams is. And for him to release a film like 20 years after he stopped being relevant, with absolutely no context behind why his character was a monkey that talks whilst everyone else is human. Is such a Robbie Williams thing to do 😂 I can’t believe he didn’t see how much of a failure this was going to be before he started making it. How did no one stop and tell him “Rob, this is a bad idea, let’s not do this” 😂

[@ZaWrldo]

Releasing a movie that performs worse than Madame Web is an incredible feat especially if it's a movie about a guy Americans have never heard of

[@ZeppelinBigFan]

I’m surprised he’s more or less unknown in America. I’m Norwegian and remember him being one of the biggest pop stars 20 to 25 years ago.

[@Jacob-ir6zi]

"I'm one of the most famous people in the world" You can't say that and have people in America not know who you are

[@deadboltzz5199]

​@Jacob-ir6zi fr even people in villages in Africa knew who micheal Jackson was 😅

[@ZiggyZou]

@@ZeppelinBigFan25 years ago. You mean the Backstreet Boys, NSync and Brittany Spears and the spice girls? Never hear of this clown

[@paulbellaby]

he has a track called Me and My Monkey, he has spoken about feeling like he didn't belong and not evolved like the others around him. If they did the film with robbie williams as him self then it would of come across as self induldgent but as a ape it works. robbie williams is a large uk star with best known song angels. He is not as known in america so the movie was never really going to make alot of money but I can tell you after watching it, the work that went into making it should of earned its money, it was amazing. I suspect corridor crew will break it down sooner or later as it was amazing work.

[@Diamondsdontgr0wontrees]

7:54 its like that campaign mission in bo2 where you walk by the pillars in club karma and your face get generated onto the male model thats in the ads 😭

[@andrewaguilar7466]

Exactly what i was thinking, first thing I thought of when it got brought up 😭

[@EvilResidentXIII]

Good movie or not, I couldn't expect this movie to have done big in the US. He may be a huge name over in the UK, but it's the exact opposite stateside.

[@xDbrad]

Pretty sure his best song barely made top 50 here, but even then 1.3mil in the box office for the US specifically is beyond awful

[@jazz9fr]

Surprised so many people don't know who he is. Not from the UK personally (am French) but he for sure is (or maybe was) at least pretty popular in Europe

[@Lunarfly_streams]

Better man was absolutely my top movie in months man, definitely the best Biopic I've ever seen

[@peterrydzkowski6627]

Dont judge on the box office. It's a fantastic film

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

Even if it is good, it seems like the type of movie that would slide right out of my brain like a banana shart

[@benjamin-papa]

​@@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese I'm pretty sure that's just every thought you have mate

[@leopard_52]

When I saw the ad for it, my only question was, "Why is it rated R?" Lmao. Did the monkey rip somebody's face off? Is there a weird sex scene? Are there naked people in it? Nothing about the ad said rated R to me.

[@PondScummer]

drugs probably

[@MexiFryStains]

@ If I get to see the monkey railing lines then I might be tempted to see it after all

[@ihavenoideaatall7381]

I heard there was a monkey sex scene from a review of the movie.

[@timtamTom.1]

There’s A LOT of drugs, alcohol, heavy themes and copious amounts of swearing + some nudity. It deserves its rating lol

[@jonnnnniej]

​@MexiFryStains Robby Williams had some crazy addiction issues, so I would be surprised if it doesn't have any drugs or alcohol in it

[@starsuper64]

Im not kidding when I say I only know this guy from a Caddicarus video. Context: in the middle of a bootleg Crash game he gets interrupted by some ad with him in it and Cad said if you want to be in an ad you gotta be funny so he said: Spons: Hello, im Rons Willions Edit: rewatched and fixed his name

[@headshot531]

i have no idea what any of that garble means

[@Alvin-wx2ep]

Crazy it flopped cause i seen a bunch of ads and it looked sweet but i didnt know who he was till this movie came out

[@Yoda_Gaming1738]

released the movie only in the US yet he was only ever popular in the UK.

[@WILLINGLYWILD]

It’s in the uk too

[@ArgerasCZ]

It's in europe too

[@xDbrad]

They released it in the US first then Australia/UK next day then made a bigger release later, considering it only made 1.3mil in the US I wouldnt be surprised if they were scraping together as much money as they could

[@Anyaeversong]

Who tf told you it released only in the us 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@Cheebs555]

​@@Anyaeversongshouldn't have been released at all. Looks awful. And wtf is that monkey?

[@NightwolfSteve]

For anyone who hasn’t heard a song by him, the song “Kids” is on Non Stop Pop in GTA 5

[@corndogsauce]

Played gta5 since release either I’ve somehow never heard that song or I happen to impulsively skip It😂

[@warlordishere654]

Never heard of that song in game

[@USMC49er]

GTA V players are too busy listening to Hood Gone Love it by Jay Rock playing again for the 12th time in a row in the past hour.

[@train_go_boom2065]

I mainly listened to nothing or west coast classics

[@dr.deadpool5959]

The whole AI Ads is just like that one mission in Black Ops 2…that takes place in 2025!!!

[@xDbrad]

Bro's yappin

[@stiperunac2272]

That's what I thought!

[@JohnSon-vk1nz]

The funny thing about Porter fixing NBA games, is that his younger brother also plays in the NBA and has 35 million per year salary .... just ask your bro for money lol

[@thissouprocks6857]

As the top comment says, it’s genuinely a very good movie and it’s shame it’s flopping as we ask for original stuff- a big part isn’t they shouldn’t have budgeted that high, but it’s still really well made and very worth checking out- it’s not the substance, but it’s nice getting something unique and original

[@thissouprocks6857]

*is *is they shouldn’t have, can shave about 20-30 mil

[@xDbrad]

To be fair more people would've probably liked this more than the Substance if anybody actually cared about this dude, the substance is good to a very specific edgy audience which most people arent

[@thissouprocks6857]

I get that, I was pointing more to the originality of projects, even though it homages so much haha, but fair point It’s nuts that the Substance was 18 mil, the brutalist like 10mil I think? You can do it right and well, the suits just have to realize how the audience landscape has shifted- again, shame because it’s a good movie and to your point, actually more appeal I think doing it R also makes it harder, not that they shouldn’t make the best story, I actually respect that, but they probably missed a huge chunk right there

[@toa9329]

@@xDbradhe’s very famous just not in the US

[@NationX]

The reality is people like to complain about Hollywood rehashing the same ideas and IPs and want original and creative films, but when comes down to it originality is risky and repeating something that’s known to work is the safer bet. It’s at the point where you could make a subpar reboot or sequel to a beloved property and it still has a higher chance of making money over something untested and new like this.

[@AdrianSantiMitchell]

It was a good movie, saw it today.

[@GibsonHReviews]

Robbie Williams is big in the UK, but 110 million for a biopic about him is just stupid. You'd have to market the wazoo out of it! I hardly saw any trailers for it especially over here so no wonder it flopped.

[@toa9329]

Popular in Europe too. Feels more like a passion project than a product tbh

[@kingmilly2936]

Can’t even see it now because it’s not playing past one showtime anymore in my local theaters, sad because I wanted to see it and it looks good

[@coletrainhetrick]

Literally my favorite film from 2024 and it is an absolute disastrous flop. Meanwhile people still give money to things like mufasa

[@NingyoHimeDoll]

Damn i could have never predicted Charlie not knowing Robbie Williams, that's so crazy to me

[@rockmanfan5104]

Problem with the movie and most movies is ZERO advertising. Never heard of it till just now

[@The_Albraskan]

3:29 I thought that too. I’m glad it wasn’t though.

[@chicknwings]

Saw it on Tuesday, and loved it. I only know of one of his tracks called Millennium, so I recognized his name when I saw the trailer. I hope when it does come up on streaming later, I hope people give it a watch. But it does deserve to be watched in theaters.

[@Hoenhime344]

The theater is dead. It will never recover

[@lowrytv6736]

It's kind of wild to me that not even one Robbie Williams song made its way to the US he is massive in the UK and Ireland.

[@Cheebs555]

The market of generic pop singers is flooded here. No room lol.

[@jonnnnniej]

​@Cheebs555 this 90's and 00's. Your argument still stands though haha

[@Cheebs555]

@@jonnnnniej it's always been true lol.

[@USMC49er]

The 90s and 00s in the US had no room for pop stars. If you weren't Nsync, Backstreet Boys, or Brittany Spears no one cared for your music.

[@deadboltzz5199]

​@@USMC49erand micheal Jackson was still around 😅

[@DreamFearless]

I think the metaphor might've worked if the ape scenes were only used when he went on stage. But a gimmick estranging the audience even further from a singer most of us don't know about was a fatal mistake.

[@themax6218]

Watched Better Man yesterday, never knew who Robbie Williams was before, but the movie was really good. But I understand why it’s flopping at the box office

[@DaiminScullion]

This movie is surprisingly actually very solid but it was definitely a bad idea for this to have such a extreme budget

[@chrispinzon4752]

Every ad i saw for that movie, i thought, was for insurance or some nft thing

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

I swear after most ads i see i dont even know what tf they were advertising. I aint complaining though.

[@trevorpacelli8056]

He's not a monkey in this movie, he's a chimpanzee. Pisses me off when people just default refer to chimps as monkeys.

[@CaptainFirefred]

Every critc that actually saw Better Man at least liked it, many loved it. It's kind of crazy that using an ape as a narrative device is asking too much of an audience. The theatrical run was a desaster, many will see this one when it's released to streaming. The movie is a blast, even if you have no idea who Robbie Williams is.

[@JITCompilation]

I haven’t seen it but the trailer made it seem like people would praise it for “originality” when it’s a movie that takes a single decent idea and never explores it any further. Just seems like Hollywood playing with a new formula. May watch it when it comes out on streaming tho.

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

Yeah, the first time seeing the trailers for this, I was like, "Nah."

[@coletrainhetrick]

And it's insanely good. It's actually great

[@jmanjman2685]

The movie is actually great

[@dkumagai30]

The line, “I’ve always felt a little less evolved” from the trailer made me assume this movie would be a giant turd.

[@twitchsopamanxx]

Apparently the movie isnt really bad, but without any advertisement and spending 110 millions (HOW!?), this movie was never gonna pay back for itself.

[@2dents513]

Like people dont despise ads enough.

[@Godzeller3143]

Human doing drugs? Brother I live near Chicago I see that every weekend. Monkey doing drugs? Man that’s some sad shit right there.

[@Dazcoolman]

It was genuinely a fantastic film. I don’t really even care if it flops because since when did we all become shareholders? Australia mostly funded the movie alongside Furiosa, which also flopped btw.

[@aledandrian]

Americans have been brainwashed into thinking art needs to make money and/or be popular to be good

[@KizaruKizaru]

"apparently he is mainly *just* big in the uk". No, apparently usa is really on a different planet. How does a singer super popular in the entirety of Europe, doesnt make it in usa as well?

[@mbcodgie]

because we have taste

[@Ngd-eq6qx]

Not as popular as you think😂

[@ballerinaonamusicbox]

tons of popular artists from europe never break the usa

[@ZiggyZou]

Because Europe isn’t known for great music. The US is literally known for amazing music acts and Americans also love uk music. So yeah

[@cheapturbo6439]

Never heard of this movie until today

[@v6SK-IC5]

Somebody needs to edit that video of Robbie saying “Monkey?” And then follow it up with Master Oogway saying “Monkey”

[@Emwo]

I saw this as part of a test screening and the first discussion after was "who tf is robbie williams?" Afterwards a few of us still didn't know who he was but monke man did monke things, nothing having to do with NFT's. 7/10

[@MAGGOT_VOMIT]

Charlie will drag his whole team in the theater to see it now and will smile as they all convulse violently as if they're listening to Vogon poetry.

[@AKHEADSHOT1]

The fix would be just to void injured players bets

[@Dr.OctaviusBiggKnutts]

still can’t believe brits are mad at americans for “bullying” him

[@dermmeehan5255]

nobody is mad that Robbie Williams is getting bullied , the guys a bell end.

[@acynique8029]

we are?

[@ZiggyZou]

@@dermmeehan5255what?? Asshole I assume?

[@Marcellomon]

Bro has some Bangers imo. Surprised most people in US don't know him

[@Rustylad85]

Is it the new ceasar?

[@USMC49er]

When Hollywood has dragged big time IPs in the mud for the past decade, with poor director and executive choices, it's hard to convince the general audience who have lost trust in your quality to suddenly give a chance to a biopic.

[@Fyshtako]

I remember Robbie Williams purely for Rock DJ, found it as a young teen on one of those pop greatest hits of x year cd's.. and then youtube searched the video and that became the most insane music video I saw for quite a while. Fun song too.

[@GizmosHouse]

The concept makes sense, Instead of using himself as a way to tell a story about his rise to fame he uses a monkey to make the character a little more sympathetic. It’s actually an interesting idea but not enough to fool me into watching it 😂

[@Alois_from_Vienna_in_Austria]

Better Man is a fresh and different variation of the "A Star is Born"-theme with actual pop hits. But the makers overestimated Robbie Williams star power.

[@misskitkatqueen5265]

I only know him because I've listened to about 3 or 4 of his songs and they're pretty good in my opinion

[@kilppa]

Huh, never would I have guessed that Robbie is so unknown in USA. Apparently neither did the producers. They saw a Black Myth Wukong trailer and figured monkeys are the thing to do now.

[@emrybennett8809]

My biggest fear is we have ads like in black mirror episode 2.

[@kingdomheartsguy44]

Did they really think the EU would make them the $240 million needed to break even all by itself? Probably not a good idea.

[@ace15Nura]

monkey used to mean addiction, he could've tried to sound clever like that.

[@radracing3370]

Whenever I see a monkey smoking crack my heart breaks inside

[@zackspiker_]

$813 per screen sounds damn disastrous. That said, he had three big hits in the U.S. that were unavoidable for months.

[@baggin.]

The film is actually about a monkey who wants to sing and becomes famous

[@tomorrowsnews3915]

The average lifetime earnings of most pro sports is actually pretty low unless you are a superstar. My high school coach played for the dolphins and he was no better off than any other married school teacher.

[@virdixxii8341]

Has it even released in EU yet?

[@badgerrunner7774]

It probably flopped because nobody knew about it. Seems pretty good considering what people are saying about it.

[@Daria-xu8nr]

Wanted to see it but AU$30+ for a ticket is a no ty

[@ungenbunyon5548]

Hes mostly famous here now for cat food ads

[@shadowkn250]

idk man, movies take roughly 2-3 years to make. ive got a sneaking suspicion it was a bored ape inspired project. timeline would make sense at least.

[@funnycoconutanimatics3877]

I'd love to see Andy Serkis comment on this lol

[@thesensiblesocialist]

I might have liked it if his music didn't make me want to do the Joker pencil trick to myself.

[@itsjohnnyr8560]

What people don’t know is these studios don’t factor in marketing cost into budgets. It’s common practice to double their stated budget after marketing. So $220 million for a less than $20M box office is insane. Also, Robbie Williams sucks and so does his movie.

[@spderman123]

its the guy who made johnny english theme song

[@moviefiendz]

Its not 25k, a player prop is usually 1.91 odds so it would be 3700 bet for 7.2k appox

[@alcidesprieto1967]

How can you flop a monkey movie?

[@TheHipisterDeer]

I get the idea of it, and I hear the movie is pretty good but I still think they should have just straight up used Robbie Williams himself.

[@zy7958]

Awful movie you have to be full of yourself to enjoy it

[@jonathanalvir4507]

We have Robin Williams at home

[@YWizard]

this movie is obviously a metaphor for black people in the entertainment industry

[@FirstSynapse]

I hope you're joking

[@MexiFryStains]

obviously

[@YWizard]

@@FirstSynapse how am i wrong?

[@YWizard]

@@FirstSynapse the director just said too himself let depict you as a monkey instead of your actual self robbie... perfect example of who you are 😂🥱

[@Cheebs555]

​@@YWizardfirst explain why you are right. That will give people the chance for rebuttal. Explain the metaphor. I haven't seen the movie.

[@__414.88b_]

He was really famous in Italy oo

[@itchyt2997]

I heard the monkey was played by robin williams

[@matternst1442]

I went to high school with a Robbie Williams I gotta check to see if it’s the same guy

[@pinkdiamond1847]

I haven't seen the film yet but I really want to but I imagine they made him a monkey because it's a metaphor for how fame makes a monkey out of you or he probably just really likes monkeys.

[@douglastaylor43]

Robbie seems extremely smug and that doesn't fly in America.

[@CultureColours]

It’s Bio Pic not “biopic” it’s short for biography picture

[@volodyadykun6490]

Next up: bio graphy

[@VincentVo-qf7cu]

Better man is a good movie!

[@Cheebs555]

Not for people who have never heard of him.

[@lorddeecee]

That shit gives hard BAYC aura and it’s off putting that’s why it flopped