Money, Power, and Death: The Dark Side of the Hare Krishna's

JRE #2129 w/David Holthouse
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[@malik_alharb]

He looks like Quentin Tarantino's hippy brother

[@78LedHead]

He looks like a mix between Quentin and a porn star lol

[@DonAllenScott]

😂

[@warrenparker7961]

More like Henry Thomas' fraternal twin.

[@dertythegrower]

exactomundo... for sure what i noticed

[@httr94]

David Harbour*

[@IloveMayapur]

So many things went wrong in the Hare Krishna Movement - still the core teachings, philosophy and culture is great. We live in the HQ of ISKCON (Mayapur West Bengal) since almost 10 years...

[@special.force.underneath]

I have heard some of the interviews on this I Love Mayapur channel and it's good to hear from different devotees.

[@bn8682]

I quit college at USCD in 1972 when I was 18, to join the Hare Krishna movement. Best decision ever for me personally. I appreciate Joe and David's balanced views and observations. I thought the exact same thing about Kirtananda as Joe expressed - the guy never looked right to me. Kirtananada was the son of a Baptist minister and had spent time in some type of mental hospital, before joining the Krishnas. It was somewhat known that he was gay before he joined, but since he had taken vows of celibacy, it was assumed that he had given up any sexual activities, based on spiritual strength - If that was the case, his abstinence didn't last for more than a few years. At that time in the '70s, there were no types of background checks, and anyone could join who was willing the follow the devotional principles (vegetarian diet, no sex outside of marriage, no intoxication, no gambling) and the rigorous schedule of early rising for the first meditation (4:30am) and two hours of chanting daily. It was all voluntary, and anyone was welcome to give it a shot. I personally followed the disciplines for 3 years in a temple, and it was great. It gave me a confidence and realization that God is real and lovingly present, within and without. It also gifted me with a fearlessness in living life - which worked out well, as I've gone through some crazy stuff over the years - but that's life in the material world for everyone, to various degrees. I still practice chanting happily at home. Not all kids were molested. and not all by leaders. Some were molested by the older boys at the boarding schools; something which happens unfortunately at many institutions / boarding schools. There was a fringe element that committed the crimes as discussed; that was a deviation by a few. For the most part, much good has manifested by those and for those who did not deviate from the principles as laid out by Prabhupada, the founder. The movement continues to grow, especially in India, and also in Russia - a place where people have rejected godless communism for the most part. Some Russians have embraced yogic principles and practice and travel to India regularly. The present PM of India, Modi, highly praises Prabhupada as one of India's most glorious spiritual luminaries and teachers of the Vedic tradition ever, having established 108 temples worldwide in 12 years, after having started in NY alone and almost penniless, in 1965. Even more impressive if not miraculous, during that same 12 year period, he translated and published over 70 volumes of Vedic literature, starting from his time of arrival in Americal at age 69, until his passing at 81.

[@richardfraser7024]

Thank you for your service

[@jamescrue]

Hare Krishna

[@ogaraconor]

What is your opinion or how do you see the Catholic church?

[@bn8682]

@@ogaraconor The Catholic church certainly has not been exempt from it's share of corruption and scandals over many centuries. There were Popes in around the 10th century who had their critics put to death by being boiled in oil. There also may very well be pockets of the church leaders past and present, involved in ritual satanic child abuse, or/and individual garden variety pedophiles who were individually perverted and just moved from parish to parish without serious consequence. Hopefully, that happens less now. That being said, I'm sure there could be very sincere and genuine priests and and congregation members in the church who have dedicated themselves to God, within that tradition. God / Holy Spirit lives within each heart as witness, guide and friend, and knows who is who. Sincere people are always protected and guided by God. Phony people will be attracted to other charlatans to mingle with in the name of religion, but will have their actual motives and mentalities exposed over time. God is loving and gracious, as is real religion. Hate, perversion, greed, and power mongering don't represent God in any way.

[@bn8682]

@@ogaraconor I"m sure there are good and sincere individual Catholics, and good and sincere individual Catholic clergy as well. At the same time, there has been documented abuse of power in horrific ways within the church organization, for centuries.

[@krishnaabreakingnews]

Also, Srila Prabhupada never appointed 11 gurus. That was a lie propagated by those 11 fake successors.

[@c0smos1sg76]

Yup, absolutely correct. The 11 diciples of Prabhupad high jacked Prabhupad's Iskcon movement and also a few poisoned Prabhupad also. They wanted total Power and Control. Investigate "Radhanath Swami" Richard slavin. Most popular Iskcon "guru" involved in marriage ceremonies for young girls to older men in the 1980's at New Vrindavan west Virginia temple. Responsible for the murder instruction to have Sulocana Prabhu shot in the head and killed. Radhanath swami also has been claimed to have spread the teachings of Black Tantra (black magic) to other iskcon "gurus" Investigate him, Bhakti Tirtha Swami was found to be practicing black tantra as well at New Vrindavan, he was close to Radhanath. These fake Gurus in Iskcon are Demons and Abuse children and Women and Murder men who try to stop them.. Don't get involved in Iskcon, it's a mafia organization. Just follow Srila Prabhupad's original books and his old recordings from classed online, and videos. ..Help Expose The Fake Gurus..

[@taylorlibby7642]

Best movie scene with the krishnas is the airport scene in Airplane!

[@jclaytoncabral5106]

"Joey, ya ever been in a Turkish prison?"

[@taylorlibby7642]

@@jclaytoncabral5106 "Do you like gladiator movies?"

[@AliceBowie]

There's a yt channel that has clips from like every time Krishnan show up in movies or TV, from the 60s to present.

[@taylorlibby7642]

@@AliceBowie And the best is still the airport scene in Airplane!😁

[@scottsharp9823]

Do you want to buy a pencil

[@creeg8303]

The Kare Krishna temple in West Virginia is beautiful.

[@mauriceprice1741]

Ok, does it have a population of book distributors? Or a group presenting krsna Lila's sexual pastimes with little kids? Because there's something really off now in that way after so much molesting etc.... that does make a good mix, pedophiles and worshiping little kids sexual pastimes, would you agree?

[@jonathansmith8932]

Wild stories about that place. I found a few small documentaries online. I need to take a walk through, been since I was a kid i was inside

[@Lookmaxxed_Pikachu_69]

@@jonathansmith8932 most of if not all you've heard is radical Christian propaganda

[@RobertoRamirez-zu5fw]

It's HARE NOT KARE.

[@Automedon2]

Friends of mine from Australia stayed there when they were touring the country in a van. They were treated very well and it was the highlight of their tour.

[@annasmith1427]

I lived with people who lived there and they were initiated by kirtananda. I married and lived in the Hare Krishnas and decided to let my daughter choose to want to learn about Hare Krishnas. I protected her from everyone. Never trusted any gurus or anyone not even her own dad. In my experience the director is correct. Hare Krishna philosophy is pure but there are real scum who have taken advantage of being in this religion/cult. There are some amazing pure beautiful souls in the Hare Krishnas and you easily see who they are. They’re not the big wigs. They’re the little people. It’s always the little people who are pure and saintly. Avoid personality cults and personality gurus. But underneath this crap the philosophy is amazing and the humble pure devotees are also amazing

[@is-ness]

You are on point. Exactly how it is. The masters are trending the garden and sweeping. The politicians populate the upper positions.

[@jameslcowan]

Holy shit this comment is full of cognitive dissonance.

[@Lookmaxxed_Pikachu_69]

@@jameslcowan elaborate how

[@jameslcowan]

@@Lookmaxxed_Pikachu_69 Marrying into a group that you are acutely fearful of.

[@robertlury1379]

​@@jameslcowanyou don't know what cognitive dissonance means

[@truth5119]

Everything goes west will became dark

[@JamesAmMusic]

Thank You for the point of view. Would You say the ancient Assyrian empire, the empire of the ancient Huns, the ancient empire of Xerxes of Persia all of that was free of wrongdoing? What about the burning of widows in India? Do You see Asia as superior to the west? In which way in particular? Please also acknowledge the humanity of people in the west. Corruption and wrongdoing is not a mere western phenomenon. Just be careful please, I think a way of becoming the evil we wish to abolish is to generalise and to judge inconsideratley. We need to do something about the current problems in the west. Probably You didn't mean that the 'west' is bad in the sense that the human beings here are all inferior, but please do point out what You really wanted to say. I pray for You and wish You all the best. May we have no more destructive imperialism. May we live in a world of true peace and understanding. What do You think about the suggestion: To see who's in power, become aware of whom You are not allowed to criticize? And what about the Chinese society before the Cultural Revolution as well after that? Have You ever studied the History of China? Was it truly better? If so, in which sense? How do You set Your moral standards? Have a good day, James

[@Featherface01]

​@@JamesAmMusic An important message and question, well said.

[@alexstrasser1]

You're not only ignorant but also idiotic.

[@alexstrasser1]

You're not only ignorant but also idiotic. Krishnas, hippies and addicted are people who never grew up.

[@alexstrasser1]

Only ignorant, moronic and people who NEVER GREW UP idealize Eastern bullshit philosophies.

[@bilalentilka]

THEY WERE NOT APPOINTED GURUS. Just priests to initiate more people to Prabhupada... their ambitions took over the instruction.

[@madhumangaldas333]

not true !!!

[@bilalentilka]

@@madhumangaldas333 there is the document from July 9, 1977 made for the purpose of proving it. Do you have a proof?

[@madhumangaldas333]

@@bilalentilka its called the parampara system, duh !

[@bilalentilka]

succession of spiritual masters is the highest order of pure devotees passing the Supreme knowledge from the beginning of universe. And you think that suddenly after Prabhupada materially passed, these 11 appointed disciples to act like priests, become the successors of parampara? Obviously, they misinterpreted the instruction! They are arguing, that we need physical person (them) to approach the Spiritual Master, but that goes against the whole principle of knowledge about the eternal soul. It shows that you learnt nothing from Srila Prabhupada. Not even that he didn't die in 1977, but just left our insignificant sight. Now we have 2 or even 3 generations of socalled gurus, that continue from those 11 apointed ritviks. What have they done in comparison to the one showcase of pure devotee of The Lord, Srila Prabhupada? They have molested and raped children, exploited the accumulated riches of ISKCON society, altered the holy books that Srila Prabhupada endeavored so much to translate and give purports to, the books meant to save the whole material world! And they kill anyone opposing their total destruction of Prabhupada's work. That is what is called DEMON. And you worship them as good as God. SHAME ON YOU!

[@anneominous7172]

@@bilalentilka I have a document from December 7, 1980 made for the purpose of proving you're a homosexual.

[@jeremypfrost]

Once in Estonia a hare Krishna dude came up to me and gave me a book. I was like thanks man. But then he immediately chased me down and wanted money in exchange for the book. I was like no way and handed it back. He didn't look happy but what the heck I never asked for that thing.

[@jimmierodgers1597]

That’s sounds familiar, same thing happened to me. Sick.

[@totallypointlessvideos3832]

So this one usually happens because they are told to not give it away free because something free (which is correct in principle) is not valued but they are a confused lot and use such stupid tactics. The Gita in pure form is worth a read although not the Iskcon version. It is a great philosophical book and still relevant to this day on how to lead an appropriate life even if you were a non believer.

[@benjamindsouza6736]

​@@jimmierodgers1597.....& to me too.....here in Goa, India!

[@benjamindsouza6736]

​@@totallypointlessvideos3832True! The ISKCON version is loaded with their own interpretations.

[@Lofievenings]

I live in delhi india and they do the same thing. Everybody avoids them here cuz they want to convert and sell books and pens.

[@bigreddartt6031]

Don’t know much about this group but one of my favorite lines in Max Payne 3 is “these guys made the NYPD look like the Hare Krishnas”

[@ej4458]

when does he say that? is it during the favela raid by the militarized cops?

[@bigreddartt6031]

@@ej4458 yea

[@poe-ta-toe4946]

Awesome game

[@user-rs8ou7rr1o]

Interesting podcast. I served 4 years of my 15 years with the West Virginia hitman for the local Krishnas in the Moundsville Penitentiary. He was an odd man. I remember him well. Had a few conversations but not much more. He stayed to himself.

[@susanvandeneng5231]

Krishna had hitmem? Why would they need hitman? Aren't they all loving? Maybe I'm missing the content.

[@chrisshaffer2949]

​@@susanvandeneng5231 lol there's no context he's full of shit

[@davidwells4903]

​@@susanvandeneng5231you should watch the video

[@aricmccreary8159]

They definitely had hitmen. I’m surprised there was only one in Moundsville. Swami was on house arrest next to my school during all of that

[@user-rs8ou7rr1o]

Like so many others who misused God, faith and religion - this was a criminal sect.

[@LoversRfighters]

What's not being mentioned here is that the Hare Krishna's were a strong movement in India before it coming to the west and of course it goes back thousands of years. There are numerous groups or temples that don't belong to the organization ISKCON which people refer to when speaking of the Hare Krishna's that's something that's missed when they talk about organizational issues. It's like when a group of churches that may be Methodist or Baptist or whatever else do horrible things and all Christian churches and communities get associated with that. I'm also not saying ISKCON as an organization is bad or good I'm just pointing out that it's one group of many that come from the same line

[@atrismith7487]

They dont need to go deeply into the traditions as their movie is about the New Vrindvan Chapter . I hope they put early history in like the Hells Angels attack on New Vrindavan and the devotees being held at gunpoint . Thats an amazing hillbilly story

[@blindi6326]

It does not go back thousands of year what are all of you talking about? That's like saying anabaptists started during the ministry of Christ

[@LoversRfighters]

@@blindi6326 Yes it most certainly does. ISKCON is an organization that was set up by Srila Prabhupada but the teachings and the line of Gurus goes back thousands of years this is a fact. Stop spreading misinformation

[@atrismith7487]

@@blindi6326 sanatana dharam goes back to the beging of time . Gaudiya vaisnavism which this Hare Krishna movementis part off goes back to Bengal 500 years ago with advent of Golden Avatar mentioned in vedic texts as golden for this age of Kali yuga

[@blindi6326]

@@atrismith7487 Yeah, 500 years isn't thousands of years..

[@bharghavatri9487]

Steve jobs said once he eat 2 times free meals in hare Krishna temple

[@edp3202]

They served free food at UNC and it was pretty good food.

[@annasmith1427]

Yeah he did

[@grimnir6169]

Nice grammar.

[@edp3202]

@@grimnir6169 huh?

[@drupati]

Yes they preach to the rich. The food did not stop him from dying.

[@zztopwater8568]

I remember this guy. He was in the movies I took from my dad's vhs box...

[@mallika4463]

Prabhupada never appointed these 11 guys. They appointed themselves... I grew up in this movement and I never got abused. I was one of the many few who got lucky... So sad these people made such a mess and created so much pain for children and so much bad "PR" for such a beautiful and deep philosophy...

[@special.force.underneath]

I wish for the Hare Krishnas that they will keep recovering from their challenges

[@lpn8585]

As a landman. I acquire oil and gas leases off of landowners so the company can drill. New Vrindaban, West Virginia (Main Krishna Community in the US, 1000’s of acres) is in big time Natural Gas country. I leased the whole community in 2010 and made good commission from it. I met practically all of the high ups in the community and I can tell you all of them are good people and hate what happened in the community back in the 80’s. They are all super peaceful.

[@jjg1501]

sure kiddo, just sure, lol

[@AirDwindler402]

To your face they are. Behind closed doors. They're touching kids....

[@kirillsergeyev7116]

🧢🧢

[@bn8682]

@@jjg1501 Weird how people like you would rather live in their own preconceptions, rather than consider an alternate viewpoint from someone who has a first hand experience. Actually, it's not just weird - it's insulting to your fellow man, and sign of not only being arrogant, but cripple-minded. I heard cnn has openings. Maybe you should take your talents there.

[@nerthus4685]

I was a member for 20 years. It is not what it seems. It is a full on cult. Authoritarian control, abuse, the whole bit. Despite the folded hands and smiling faces.

[@adamd.6698]

Go visit New Vrindiban Golden Temple in West Virginia. Pretty cool site.

[@Allen667sjja]

They actually show up regularly to the Boston Hemp fest (420 thing), I actually have a business card from one of them and it lit just says like “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna” like 12 times on the front lol

[@aricmccreary8159]

Locals referred to the guy as Swami Bhaktapad. There were always stories going around that there were bad things going on at the palace of gold. He was on house arrest in an apartment next to my school. My friend lived in one of those two apartments, I’m just not sure if he was there when the swami was. He was allowed out something like an hour a week to go get groceries. Saw him walking across the park to the store a couple times. Had friends that would go out there in the 90’s and I think some that still do. Quite a few for the festival of color. Girl I went to college with said her dad had been one of his bodyguards. Never verified it, but never had any reason to not believe her.

[@scottmcfadyen293]

I remember a documentary about this back in the 80's. I think it was on 60 minutes. The title of the guy was boc-to pod. It was eventually ex-communicated from the actual movement.

[@jbar0nws912]

There is a local guy on Commercial Drive, Vancouver BC that yells out "Hareee Krishna! Hareee Krishna!' to people that walk by

[@thePlum]

Love that dude 😅

[@theenlightenedone1283]

Hinduism is weird 😅

[@yourhighness4-20]

I have never seen so many weird people in one city like I have in Vancouver Canada. I don't know if all the weirdest and strangest people in the entire country of Canada migrate there or what but it is wild.

[@qtip8154]

Being legally able to poses 2.5 grams of any drug will have its affects..

[@Superplums]

​@@yourhighness4-20 that's where Toronto sends all it's weirdos

[@gregoryvesey2851]

Its funny to see how Joe acts when he is learning from someone and how he treats them compared to when he talks to friends and teaches them things.

[@sahilx4954]

I came to know about iskcon in bangalore around 2015. I went there every week for 1 and half months. Then, one day, I bought around 8-10 books from there and read them all within 2 days as they were short books. But when i read prabhupada's thoughts about scientists, I was shocked. He called them stupid and ignorant, all of them. So i realised it's just another cult with different flavours. If you want to check, then please read the books available at the temples for sale.

[@special.force.underneath]

Thanks for sharing your experience with those books. science is so amazing and should not be abandoned just because of brahminism and religious beliefs.

[@oyvey9463]

Three of Joe’s past guests are Hare Krishnas. John Joseph and Ray “Raghunath” Cappo both lived in the Brooklyn temple as monks at different times. Ray’s still heavily involved in ISKCON and Joseph is still a devotee. Tulsi Gabbard is also a devotee; she took her oath of office on the Bhagavad Gita in 2013.

[@IAn0nI]

Brainwashed.

[@tamberlame27]

Hindu does not equal Hare Krishna Krishna technically isn't even a God but a human manifestation of a God Vishnu.

[@ishko108]

@@tamberlame27calling Krishna a human manifestation... since it's obvious you haven't been reading much in life, who taught you this anyway?

[@ejciejbi]

John Joseph is a scam in human form

[@c0smos1sg76]

Correction, Krishna is the source of Lord Vishnu. Vishnu is a Purusha expansion of Krishna. Krishna is the Original form and source of all incarnations. The Supreme Personality Of Godhead

[@rcanderson9612]

I live 20 minutes from palace of gold It's really nice out der now I go out der all all the time

[@anthonysteen56]

Powerful ideas always attract the best and the worst of people. The issue is that leaders need strong egos but it’s what purpose they channel their ego for that determines whether it’s a cult or a religion.

[@Bargadiel]

I grew up in rural FL. In the 90s one of the ranch properties we bought had weird ruins on it, that were apparently built and destroyed/never finished by Hare Krishna people. This was in the middle of nowhere, in the woods. It was a strange dome structure. Grew up wondering what it was when my dad told me recently it was them.

[@dertythegrower]

Jacque Fresco made some domes out there.. there is also many in SW Miamidade

[@Bargadiel]

@@dertythegrower oh interesting, where he died was extremely close to our area

[@Jagi1113]

This place is in like south Florida? The devotees bought it not realizing that it was on a flood plane not very good for agriculture. They sold it and moved on. The dome was made because it’s made of insular polysteel. Very durable.

[@ausgepicht]

Holthouse is one of the most interesting guests (for me) in a while. I'd love to hang out with him over some beers and exchange stories. He must have a million cool ones to share. However, he couldn't be more wrong about how far back the "Hare Krishnas" go. While he is right that the "Gita" is old and the oral tradition goes back further, he's off by a few thousand years. The general consensus is that the "Gita" was written around 200 BCE but may have been written as late as 400 AD. Of course, Hindu proponents and historical revisionists will say it was written as far back as 1500 BCE or so, there's no evidence to even remotely suggest that. There is a movement among Indian scholars to push back the dates for everything as a way to show that their civilization was the oldest and first. They battle constantly with the Tamil scholars and linguists and have been doing so for centuries. They have lost all sense of objectivity in this petty competition and can be childish about it at times. One side makes a claim about the age of something based on little or no evidence, the other side will come back immediately and make even bolder and older claims also based on little to no evidence. It's gotten to the point where the dates have gone so far back that they've become ridiculous, some even going back 12,000, 15,000, even 30,000 years ago. It's basically fake news now, and to get any sort of objective dates, you have to go to an independent source/scholar/academic that has "no skin in the game" and couldn't care less about whether the Tamils/Dravidians are older or the Bhraminical culture with its Sanskrit/Pali is older. So, you have to be aware of that context when you're reading articles. Holthouse may have gotten that wrong (and calling them "Krishnas" when they are called bhaktas), but it doesn't disqualify everything else he said, which was spot on. Lastly, the pedos in the Hare Krishna movement and the Catholic church will get a lot of flak and hate from liberals, but 99% of the molestation and r@pe were committed by gay men. It's incredibly hypocritical to ignore that fact and also turn a blind eye to the r@pe and molestation that happens all day long in the Muslim world. But liberals aren't known for their intelligence and common sense, so that doesn't really surprise anyone.

[@BuyUnique]

This guy that he is interviewing doesn’t know much at all. He might be a Director of the movie but I can guarantee you since I have been with the movement for over 50 years and I was in management for a while plus I lived in New Vrindavan West Virginia. I can give a much better more clear picture. A lot of what he said is true, but he got a few things wrong which are important. For example, he said, the spiritual master of the movement Srila Prabhupada Appointed 11 gurus, but that absolutely was not true. He only Appointed 11 men to continue each with their own territory to become ritviks Which means priest. They’re only job was to make sure things run smoothly according to the way it had been done in the past. To basically oversee, but they were not supposed to be micromanaging. They were not supposed to be taking worship and sitting on high chairs. They were not supposed to be Raking in a bunch of money from their followers. They were not supposed to take any disciples for themselves. Everything was to be done on behalf of Srila Prabhupada And his movement. All 11 of them got into cahoots with each other a very short time after Srila Prabhupada left this world. And they hatched a plan. A very devious plan convincing others in the whole movement because of their charisma and authority… That they were left to be spiritual, masters, or gurus and take their own disciples. From that day forward a tremendous amount of deviations took place, and so many other horrific things. I work directly under Kirtanananda in the 80’s. I could not put the pieces together back then, but I saw things and was perplexed. I had already become a disciple Srila Prabhupada in 1975 and was never a follower of these 11 and never agreed to what they were doing. I tried to stay there as long as I could to get to the bottom of things and help figure out what’s up and try to correct it somehow. I was not on Internet back then, so it was very difficult to figure out things as far as what was going on. Finally, I had to leave and over the next five years or so I started realizing what had gone on. I have learned a heck of a lot over the last 40 years since I removed myself from living monastery type life, and I have continued fervently with the Krishna consciousness practice personally. I have been shocked and learned many truths, and I am very clear minded about all of it. So many of us have worked very hard on a daily basis to expose, what has actually happened. We try to keep the pure essence of the teachings and the Vedic literature without deviation and help those who are innocent income for that reason. At the same time yes, we try to expose as much as possible for anybody who is willing to listen. It’s the same kind of thing going on in the world today . All over the world people have been living a lie and have been controlled by the Cabal… Corrupt governments everywhere all working together under eight dark web of criminal elite. There was actually a conspiracy in our movement and they had poisoned Srila Prabhupada. Since then, they had taken many followers, and collected a lot of money, and started their own nonprofits, and things happened that most of members did not even know about (And still don’t ) as they blindly worshiped them. And to this day it continues. Our very wonderful movement was infiltrated by a very bad element, and it is the belief of quite a few of us that one or two of them infiltrated from the CIA with the purposefull intention of destroying the movement from within. They were all convinced in one way or another to band together and be those 11 so they could profit with their positions. There are a lot of stories of abuse, and they changed the books which are ancient old literature. You can find this kind of thing happening in Christianity as well. The Bible was changed, and many of the books were hidden. The evil demoniac elite people have a goal to destroy peoples sovereignty and destroy religion and brainwash our young children all over the world through the educational system that they devise. And it goes on and on and on. I still follow Krishna consciousness independently, just like many of us who try to Reform the movement from within… That did not work. We were either kicked out or the situation became so bad we would have to leave and could not do a thing from the inside anymore. There are tons of us that really do have a story to tell. I’m afraid this person being interviewed doesn’t have a clue really who Srila Prabhupada was and what really happened. Although he did seem to know halfway some truths. I would suggest Joe Rogan to actually interview through research somebody that’s viable and can really tell the true story. I can help connect him with somebody who would be a true good source if he wants to do future interviews about this. There has been a whole committee of us and the main ones on that committee have worked hard and spent tens of thousands of dollars working with forensics. Voice forensics, and forensics regarding toxicity and poisons using hair samples, etc. We have two very well written hardback books with all the documented proof evidence chronologically what happened regarding everything. For anyone that’s really interested in the truth I would suggest give me a message and I can guide Joe Rogan further, who to talk to if he really is serious to do a show with better correct information. I also know about the Peacock film and I am friends with many of the people who have been either traumatized or kicked out or threatened, etc..

[@chefgovinda1190]

Ogm thank you finally Im not the only one who thought he was off

[@Noodlepony]

This is what ozzy Osborne would look like if he didn’t do all those drugs

[@welcometochilis]

had a coworker who was a Mennonite growing up and escaped it, lost track of her, apparently she moved states, she nonchalantly said how inter course before 18 with their leader was absolutely “needed” she talked about it as if it was okay, damn

[@jopo7996]

If I had to cast a cult leader in a movie... ummm....this guy for sure.

[@dertythegrower]

Tarentino Desert Resort, as the bellman. Would make bank

[@T-Man12348]

😂 Yes!

[@jonathansmith8932]

The temple in Moundsville WV is pretty but we all grew up hearing crazy stories about what was going on up there. Then we found out it was worse than we thought. But a new group now owns the land and they seem really nice compared to the 80's group in that temple

[@kyletruskie966]

Bruh there’s a temple there? I’m from moundsville and never heard of it lol

[@jennetal.984]

No apostrophe is needed for a plural

[@shaddaniels3263]

I grew up less than 5 miles from New Vrindaban. I wouldn’t call it cold or remote. It is about twenty minutes outside of a metro area of 140k and it is rare it gets below freezing outside the dead of winter. The local folklore is the remaining people that were missing were dumped in a local lake, Birches Run. This lake was actually drained roughly 20 years ago.

[@Hillbilly-mgjwv]

Yeah, same thing I was thinking. 😂 that’s “remote”? I grew up in between Huntington and Charleston. Definitely remember that place being promoted as a tourist attraction.

[@special.force.underneath]

What was found in the lake ?

[@poempadgett4664]

Why aren’t the guests’ names at least listed in the descriptions? Some people don’t know who the guests are or what they’re known for.

[@The_Pvibes]

Joining and following any cult will eventually blind you. I was fascinated by Osho's books (although I never visited or joined his ashram, temple, or any group). They helped me a lot in breaking free from my conservative Christian beliefs. However, his speeches eventually made me realize that I had to leave his teachings as well which I did. Watching the documentary 'Wild Wild Country' on Netflix opened my eyes to the depth of his cult and the bad things done by those who blindly followed him. This made me realize that regardless of religion, spirituality, or ideology, blind adherence prevents you from seeing the scams, corruption, and injustices within an organization. I'm sure Hare Krishna is no exception

[@asan1050]

ThanksMuch for posting !

[@dontwannabefound]

This guy is a great spokesperson for the movement

[@ISayNukem]

I like how you said people don't want the world in front of them.

[@jedsteelwell2354]

The guy that made this documentary got tons of stuff wrong. I've lived by New Vrindavan my whole life. My father worked at the machine shop there in the 80s. If you want to know the real story read the book killing for Krishna. This documentary made it all about Kieth Ham aka kirtinananda being this evil guy but the people behind the murder was more than one ! There's people still in high positions in Iskon that helped plan the murder. Radanath Swami was a major player and he's maybe the highest guy in the movement today. With that being said New Vrindavan is a great place today with great people.

[@user-ou4vv2ts2w]

Been to the Krishna temple in Bangalore. Amazing.

[@jopo7996]

This guy looks like a character in a post Vietnam movie that would say, "You weren't there maaaaaan!"

[@dertythegrower]

Tarentino

[@ETAisNOW]

He looks like Dylan mulvanys dad

[@NityanandaChandraGranger]

Hare Kṛṣṇa! Yes New Vrindaban was a full blown cult and most of the movement back in the 80s had many cult like dynamics. I just wanted to clarify a philosophical point. Bhagavad Gītā does NOT teach that children are material connections or that having materials such as a car, house, etc or having financially secure situations like a job is materialism. Arjuna of the Gita was a king a policitian. He was not encouraged to abandon the world by the Bhagavad Gītā. Materialism or worldliness is when you see the world separate from Divinity. If you see your job, your children, your home, as separate from Divinity then that is worldliness. It is a very common misconception. Arjuna himself in the Bhagavad Gītā 5,000 years ago shared that same misconception.

[@special.force.underneath]

Yes, it's immoral to neglect a family. Its immoral to neglect devotees.

[@FormsInSpace]

I bought the bagavad gita from a hare krishna at the dallas airport back in 1990. I was 13 on my way to visit my grandma in connecticut. I was into philosophy and buddhism, but back then it was hard to get access to hindu texts.

[@PharaoahMonk]

I am a sahaja yogi. Praciticing sahaja yoga meditation for the last 20 years and my guru is the founder of sahaja yoga and she was born realised in a family of protestant catholics. So she had an interest background. She grew up and attended Ghandi's ashram and the ammout of work she put in for humanity is tremendous. She spoke against the hari krishna movement as a spiritual movement without any substance. I mean, for anyone who wants to practice anything spiritually first condition is to have SELF REALISATION. without it you re lost like a baby in a jungle. Anyone comes at you from any direction and you dont know what to do. How to defend yourself. The spiritual world is full of wolves in sheeps clothes and you have to watch out. My guru always emphasises on self realisation and she personally raised the kundalini energy of hundred of thousand people. I raised myself the kundalini of hundreds and gave many realisations. That is the only way to know god and discern from right and wrong. Without it you re just following mental projections and philosophies without any essence or substance. Just superficially. Change comes from within. But you need to have an elightened guru to sparkle that illumination inside you.

[@SattickDas2001]

Srila Prabhupada is actually from my city of Kolkata. His birthplace is barely 6 kilometres away from my place. About 6 minutes on my motorcycle.

[@Trashjism9]

whats the name of the doc theyre talking about? and what streaming platform is it on?

[@godzilla2052]

It's IMPOSSIBLE to trace oral tradition in numbers of years with any accuracy

[@longranger308]

What's the documentary called?

[@mightytaiger3000]

I had not laughed as hard when he said with a straight face that he thought hare krishna was a movement originated in the USA since I saw an adult man at a dinner party completely confused when he was told that almonds didn’t come from the seeds of peaches lmao “I learned a lot” yeah, I bet.

[@krishnaabreakingnews]

Movie SILENT HILL starring RADHA MICHAEL is in memory of all those abused Hare Krishna children in West Virginia.

[@ajc1888]

Anyone know the name of the documentary their talking about?

[@mudhamartin1162]

no

[@mattressfair]

It's called. Krishnas: Gurus Karma Murder.

[@ajc1888]

@@mattressfair thank you

[@ivymoon1779]

​@@mattressfairthanx

[@VladimirSrbin-bd3yb]

MY SWEET LORD is about Shiva not Krushnna

[@mariobtron5907]

I love that George Harrison song

[@richardmarshall7283]

My uncle, Jackie Hebner, was the surfing swami. He was a big player for a long time.

[@dakotawint]

Prabhupada said some really f'ed up stuff in his purports. Very bad teacher - but his core message and inspiration around the world is undeniable.

[@DeborahPalmer-HPIC]

I'd rather be broke and have love, than have money and a loveless relationship!

[@tq6892]

I’d rather have money and have love

[@taylorlibby7642]

I dunno. If I had a ton of money I'd be willing to rent a loveless relationship.

[@DagnirRen]

@@taylorlibby7642that’s sad

[@taylorlibby7642]

@@DagnirRen Nah, that's realistic. What's a sad lie is to moralistically pretend that money has nothing to do with relationships.😁

[@The.One.True.B]

@@taylorlibby7642sounds shallow, hollow, and ultimately depressing. Ask literally anyone that’s done that lol it gets old knowing your partner is only with you for money, doesn’t matter if they’re extremely attractive.

[@sunayakong8537]

Everyone who had any knowledge of ISKCON knows that the West Virginia temple was not sanctioned by ISKCON. Yes the one who called himself kirtananda was off doing his own thing and this is why he and the temple he built was not part of ISKCON.

[@demonslayer5613]

John Lennon wrote a song "Sexy Sadie" about the maraharishi being a creep to mia farrow

[@MeltedBrain777]

Yes but the Beatles apologized to Maharishi decades later when they realized they were duped by an intermediary who made up those stories

[@yogi2543]

Srila Prabhupada would stay at John Lennon's home in England when he would visit the country. Lots of krishna devotees would stay there too, and their accounts of their time there are on youtube

[@radhached2863]

Rogan get the legendary legionnaire Dominique Vandenberg on his life story is awe inspiring. He was the guy who created the fighting scenes for gangs of New York and the star in this independent film. The mercenary released in 2020 . Rip Rob Kaman you will be missed

[@geetarbube]

I had an encounter with Krishnas at LAX when I was 18. I had finished Army AIT and was going to be stationed at Ft Ord, Ca, in Monterey. Before I caught my connecting flight from LA, I was approached by Krishnas trying to get me to buy a book. Luckily, I was in uniform and was rescued by another soldier who knew better than me what was up. They were more aggressive than Jehovah’s witnesses.

[@NityanandaChandraGranger]

Not learning the ideologies of others is not really the path towards a better world. I wouldn’t really say that a rescue. If you have their book and it is BS then you can call it what it is.

[@geetarbube]

@@NityanandaChandraGranger I wasn’t interested in “learning the ideologies of others”, I was trying to find my gate and not miss a flight. Did they want me to learn about them or just get a few bucks for a book? I must have looked a bit overwhelmed and a fellow service member recognized that and helped. I’m sorry I used the word rescue; I didn’t mean to imply I was in danger of hearing a different point of view. I was a medic for 32 years. I got pretty good at empathy and open-mindedness. At that moment, it would have made no difference to me if they were Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, or from the church of satan. Nothing about this experience was organic; it was an ambush.

[@madhumangaldas333]

someone tried to sell you a book ????? Oh my God, are you ok sweety, do you need a moment....... better to join the forces and kill people for your country ??? NOW that IS MAD !!!

[@jzkramer]

@@NityanandaChandraGranger the problem with ISKCON philosophy and something that separates it completely from Sanatana Dharma is the Christian idea of proselytising and trying to convert others to their ideas, as though the kooky notion that robotically chanting Hare Krishna can replace meditation

[@NityanandaChandraGranger]

@@jzkramer​​⁠all the great ancient teachers of India, Shankarcharya of 7th century, Ramanuja, Madhvacharya, traveled throughout India and taught and swayed people by the wisdom of their presentations. Please learn the actual religious history before making such claims, as they are not backed by facts

[@CantTellYou]

Shame that Rogan didn’t have Duncan Trussell sit in on this episode

[@dalehodges5362]

We danced for our suppers in Laguna. My girl friend moved into that temple in Venice... " I became a prisoner in an incense factory", she reported. Parbupad would arrive in a vintage Bently.

[@special.force.underneath]

Incense is good maybe overated! Hope you guys are doing ok!

[@kellybrown5312]

Absolutely wild story! Very similar to the plot of JKR’s “Running Grave” written under pen name Robert Galbraith

[@themyriaddharma3947]

Good discussion, yes there is evil everywhere, especially hiding in the guise of goodness, however, it's very easy to throw the baby out with the bath water; The teachings of Srila Prabhupada and ancient Vedic India are universal and is up to the individual to see the essence... ofcourse crazy people are going ruin the purity, however faith in Krishna or Buddha, Jesus ext. is not reliant on any institution. which are inevitably corrupt... Hare Krishna Hallelujah

[@nickf2657]

Jesus is the only way

[@Lookmaxxed_Pikachu_69]

@@nickf2657 Jesus is a son of God! God is Krishna

[@special.force.underneath]

Yes much crime all around the world.

[@Flower_Power888]

I spent 4 yrs in Hare Krsna.....It gave me a lot as I engaged in meditation, Vedas reading BUT when it became destructive on my self confidence especially as a woman I started to quit....It was 2 yr proces to go out of all these dos and donts....In HK woman was pressed there to be HUMBLE NOT QUESTIONING ANYTHING ESPECIALLY GURUS.....

[@jimmierodgers1597]

Best wishes on your healing journey. 💛

[@special.force.underneath]

Yes your well being comes first. That's a civic responsibility. Take care

[@nickmilne7020]

is the doc available in uK now ?

[@KomalD-cb2bu]

WOW I never knew about this dark side of ISKCON, these people who are maligning the name of this movement. So saddening. Thanks for bringing this up 🙏

[@dharanidhara6648]

Read 'Bhagavad Gita As It Is' if you want wisdom of the soul

[@c0smos1sg76]

Actually Don't Read the Orange Cover Bhagavad Gita as it is, 500 edits in that book. Totally changed Read 1972 MacMillan Bhagavad-Gita, this is Srila Prabhupad's original Gita Without All The Changes!

[@AncientYouth64]

The real Hare Krishna sing and dance in the winter

[@is-ness]

That doesn’t prove depth. There are a lot of robots in all walks of life.

[@AncientYouth64]

@@is-ness I think you lack a SOH

[@fiberinspiretahoe9177]

I was once tricked buy the Hare Krishnas and they took me to a temple in N. Hollywood…..I managed to escape. It was horrifying.it was 1986.

[@sunayakong8537]

If “they” took you to north Hollywood it wasn’t ISKCON. There was No temple in north Hollywood. Only in Culver City in 86.

[@donniehutchens6700]

He would make a good lead role in a movie for a Charles Manson movie. Lol

[@nicolaasvanroosendael697]

having had several friends, now decased, who associated in the krishnas the first hand stories about human trafficking, extortion, murders and drug running and are only the tip of tje iceberg.

[@stephensteele1213]

Lmao I thought that was Evan Stone on JRE 🤣

[@BestOfTate23]

How come youtube never autoplays new episodes?

[@Itsme-jj3se]

Hare Krishna 🙏

[@jr.7842]

What show are they referencing?

[@PeteMunchel-sn9ff]

Met 2:50 a group of them at Bonnaroo 2010 while I was trippin on 2-CB lol. They gave me and my buddy a copy of the Bhagavad Gita.

[@user-px8lx9dp6h]

Airplane 🎥🍿 was hysterica!😂

[@Ian-bl9xd]

My friend was involved with the hells angels (UK) . He was involved in drug running and fucked up thinking he cud rip them off. He was wrong. Basically, they put him in a wheel chair and fucked his head up. He was lost and stumbled upon some guys fom the Krishna movement. They basically preyed upon a vulnerable man. They pressured him into selling all his possessionsand went to the temple. House, cars, bikes and took him to the cleaners and then abandoned him. They left him with nothing. Just an example of what this peaceful movement can do. I think he killed himself eventually

[@anandeceneo]

Wow that was a wired connection

[@greeff100]

Who played the hare krishnas in GTA 1 and 2?

[@shashaankthakur6093]

Krishna is the Human Manifestation of the Divine. One of the 10 Avatars of Lord Vishnu, A key Deity in Hinduism. There are 4 Primary Deities in Hinduism responsible for Creation, Preservation, Destruction and Energy of the Universe (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and Shakti). All 4 originate from One Singular Supreme Being called Brahman. Shree Krishna is highly revered in India and we have Communities in present day India that can date themselves back to the Yadav Clan (Family of Shree Krishna)

[@whatsupman2010]

Nice

[@robb6059]

1:37 he really loves him then distribute his original books.

[@a-bootiful-mind6648]

I haven't watched the show yet but I will even though it will obviously be sensationalised etc. I studied the Hare Krishna stuff for two years with the plan to join them full time and give myself over to them when I felt I was ready but it never happened because the deeper into them I got the more horrible things I would find out. For instance Prabu never passed away but was unalived by those closest to him and he never appointed them as gurus, they did that for themselves after they had poisoned him. At that stage he had said many times (there are audio recordings to prove all of this stuff including the poisoning) that he wanted to disband the Krishnas because he did not like the direction they had gone in etc and by then all of the children were being harmed, they were bringing homeless drinkers and drug addicts into it just to make up the numbers and they were walking around carrying machine guns etc. The message and Krishna conciousness is a great thing and I don't think even now that the Krishnas themselves were a cult but ISKCON did in the end become one when it all fell apart and it was all done by the same bunch of evil maniacs who do most of the bad stuff that happens here like wars etc and so my message would be follow the scriptures and messages if you wish and you will benefit from it but always remember that god is within and a part of you and you do not need a human to give you his message etc.

[@pinkjammiesss666]

Hare Krishna's in American culture 1) Bill Hicks refers to how Hare Krishna's have taken over American airports 2) Hare Krishna zombie in Dawn of the Dead 3) Alec Baldwin breaks the finger of a Hare Krishna in Miami Blues (based on a Charles Willeford novel)

[@tinabeasley7821]

I like Cheech and Chong’s take on the subject in Up in Smoke..

[@fountainandrew44]

It's says in.gita that action is better than non action, but never be greedy about the fruits of your actions. Basically a good way for a king to control you. Stay in your caste.

[@lak3music]

💙"कृष्ण सदा सहायते"🇮🇳🙏🏼

[@ivymoon1779]

What is the name of the movie???

[@3rd_ear]

hare krishna movement's real name is gaudiya vaishnava, it began in 16th century, so it's not thousands of years old, but hinduism is. you can think of this as christianity and baptism.

[@Nick-zh4wn]

Srila Prabhupada never ever appointed 11 successor guru's. After Prabhupadas death these eleven crooks appointed themselves. It's documented that Prabhupada appointed 11 Ritvik s. That means to initiate on Prabhupadas behalf post departure. There's a whole Rtvik movement out there actually following the principal left behind by the Founding Acharya Srila Prabhupada. Check out Iskcon Bangalore for an example. Half of the movement left when these usurpers defied Srila Prabhupadas final order. So this guy should've done his home work a little bit more thoroughly. The real guru is a nitya-siddha like Srila Prabhupada himself. Eternally liberated. We' re all eternally conditioned by this material energy so how could the 11 bogus ones become guru? Hence Srila Prabhupadas final order. Ritvik successors. lol 😂

[@dandapro]

Yes, Keith Ham he was bent before he joined. He was a prolific debauchee and had a longing for fame and to be recognized as a religious reformer.

[@HypnotiqueRecordings]

Name of documentary?

[@jonathansmith8932]

We did oil and gas wells around the temple (made them lots of money) it is a crazy drive in and out of the Golden Palace

[@special.force.underneath]

Wow impressive

[@special.force.underneath]

Must have been a few million USD

[@Jacobey22]

What’s the tv show?

[@Sotol811]

PLEASE do a show on Kip Mckean's church cult called ICC / ICOC

[@akshatbhandari4779]

Hare Krishna movement quotes vedas doesnot mean the movement is old it's more like few centuries old. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Iskon is recent few decades.