Mongolian Biocomposite Bow by Grózer - Patreon Review

[@gilanbarona9814]

I don't see your videos as advertising, Armin. To me they're part of my education. I appreciate what you are doing, from one teacher to another.

[@davidlargen6945]

I love this bow. It is straight forward and not flashy. I like how it cast heavy arrows with great speed. My dream bow

[@jareth7456]

Aww thank you Armin for complimenting us patrons we think the world of you too . Super review as usual and a fantastic bow looks right out of Time.

[@h0tkoko]

What I like about the review is the passion of the reviewer. I noticed you did not wear a thumb ring shooting this bow.

[@carlosalejandro1997]

He usually never does

[@chrishanson6548]

Thanks for the review, Armin. I have this bow, as well as a composite Hunnu from Mongolia and a laminated Keshig from Alibow - all three at 50#, and have found barreled wooden arrows (from Alibow, Sarmat, Huntingdoor) are very nice with the bow. Perhaps when winter is over I can do a review comparing the three Of the three, the bio-composite is becoming the preferred one.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Too bad you can't post this on ATARN...

[@jareth7456]

Ah don't worry about it jack

[@johnmutton799]

That is one of the most beautiful bows you have shown. Nothing fancy, but naturally beautiful. Grozer makes stunning bows. I am selling my Hoyt. I want some of his bows. Only a few! Ha! Ha! I thoroughly enjoy all of your reviews, i have never thought you are advertising the bows or anything else you show. You always come across as a man who enjoys sharing his love of archery. It is why i am changing over to traditional archery. I appreciate how anyone can make a bow like the one you are showing. It is truly a art. Thanks for showing all the bows you have reviewed. Keep it up please!

[@oneer8435]

Now thats my type of bow. I love the look of it and I'm a bow fanatic and always working to keep my bows silent but I even like the noise that one makes. Nice👍

[@jake4194]

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[@miguelveratraditionalarche9374]

Beautiful and impressive Mongolian Bow🏹🥰

[@gerhardheydrich3146]

I found Grozer quality varies - I first bought a 60lb bio-composite which exploded into pieces - Grozer apologised and said they had a problem with the glue quality. I then bought a horn and sinew composite, when it arrived the horn had holes and scratches - Grozer's comment: 'That's horn' - he's wrong, it's defective horn! The bow was supposed to be 90lbs draw weight and turned out to be 75 lbs...I had waited 18 months for him to make that bow! In saying that, his standard all man made materials bows are good.

[@danhelll8768]

Are you going to perhaps make a video about the differences stances you can be in while shooting?

[@taco12]

Part of what makes your videos great is how much you obviously love bows! You get people excited about them.

[@ArminHirmer]

thank you, well with this bow it was really easy hahahaha

[@christopherfisher128]

I own the Gro'zer Assyrian. Completely in love with the bio-composites.

[@hambone950]

are they hard to take care of? i have a fiberglass bow and looking into upgrading

[@paulorsi8892]

I guess it's time for me to start saving my pennies! I found it @ Classic Bow in Hungary... any other retailers for Grozer?

[@worldtraveler8372]

Armin. Thank you for all you do. In doing my research, there are 2 versions of this bow as the first had some defects. Do you now if there is a marking or so that distinguishes the difference in models? One that I am being offered for buy has L2 on it.

[@johanneslauffer6613]

I think there was no cloud in sight because weather didn't want to spoil such an an awesome bow as well as review. :)

[@jedgurley]

Armin I just watched Grozer make a bow, I'm completly shocked as to how he does it and it is all natural materials and natural glues,, it's insane.

[@sigmanarchery54]

Yes sir that is really a great looking bow everything on it go’s so well together thank you sir for sharing 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸

[@williammcmanus2841]

Grozer is in my opinion one of the best!

[@nicucrainic8106]

Beautiful and efficient bow. In one word this bow is a "GROZER" and this explains enough.

[@tamaspapai4921]

Honestly yes, I have owned 3 Grozer bows in the last 20 years, and they were my favourite bows. I really liked the TRH composite Hungarian bow.

[@FinnisJaeger]

This is my dream bow and I will get one when I have money for it. Master Armin, do you have recommendations for arrows for this since I plan to use it for hunting and also do you think this bow can be silenced a bit?

[@lulustocke8251]

Another great review, Armin. Love it 😊 I think the handle is covered with thin goat leather or another soft, thin leather. Maybe deer. You can see the hair follicles on the surface.

[@tammynfletcher]

I think you'll find it's pig skin. I know he offered it on some of his fiberglass bows as a covering.

[@lulustocke8251]

@@tammynfletcher pig skin was my first thought too😊 it's definitely leather.

[@tammynfletcher]

@@lulustocke8251 yes it makes a beautiful leather with the hair follicles so large it gives a great grip. That's why american footballs were made from the same material. Plus it's very durable yet supple at the same time. 😉😉

[@hardrocker1911]

I have this bow, I received it in January. It`s not leather but synthetic leather, better to be used for a chair. The good Mr. Grozer should better use real leather. The material looks good though but after about 50 arrows I noticed a blister on the root of my pinky because the handshock is there. I solved the problem by using a glove. That`s not a reason not to buy the bow but Mr. Grozer should change the handle material which also would suit better with this antique looking bow. I sent them a message about the incident and asked for advice, the arrow weight they would use for this bow, becaue I wanted to buy new, a little heavier arrows. I have never got an answer. That`s imo. shallow!

[@yolfio3873]

I was waiting this review for a while now thanks 🙏 keep going what you do we can feel your love of what you do in every video

[@daigans]

lucky man trying some of the most beautiful and accurate bows 👌

[@rodolfosjeronimo9274]

An early Mongolian with this technology and quality would be really awesome indeed! I just wish my country currency will worth something again one day so I can buy this bows without spending a fortune hahaha

[@vitaliyselnitsyn6036]

Eine schoene Bogenreview, wie immer! Thank you very much, indeed. After having tried a genuine Mongolian horn bow from Ulanbator I am a bit disappointed with its stiffness, noisy shooting and slow arrow speed. I suspect, Csaba Grozer's bows are less noisy and more light-weighted in siyahs. So, I'd rather buy Grozer' s Mongol Bow or any of his lighter biocomposite bows next time. Scythian, for example or Crimean Tartar

[@qadeerkhan2001]

Cant we use bicomposite bows in winter?

[@ArminHirmer]

Yes you can with precautions

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

What is her channel..

[@madalinsandulescu8757]

Hello! Did you find out if it is real horn on the belly of the bow? Thank you for all the beautiful reviews you are doing!

[@ArminHirmer]

Processed horn (whatever that means)

[@a_granddad5427]

@@ArminHirmer Dissolved horn (waste) which is pressed again mixed with other materials. The tendon part is made in the same way... ;)

[@ArminHirmer]

@@a_granddad5427 for that it works quite well :)

[@a_granddad5427]

@@ArminHirmer Yes you are right my friend. And a good tip: such bows should be lowered like a slow motion shot. Literally! Aufnahme in Zeitlupe, Aufnahme in Zeitlupe, Aufnahme in Zeitlupe... 🐢🐢🐢...😘

[@LOFIGSD]

Great bow, and good review, question, why would Wooden Arrows be better than Carbon, personally, I have always found the opposite. The videos of Grozer making Bows with traditional materials is very interesting, a lot of work, so the price is well worth it for the craftmanship.

[@ArminHirmer]

usually same with me, but on this bow first time I liked wood arrows more :)

[@LOFIGSD]

@@ArminHirmer I like my Traditional Bows, but Carbon Arrows are great, last time I shot wooden Arrows was 25 years ago with a 120# Longbow, didnt have a choice then!

[@liammerrick6399]

my next bow. wow. i thought the assyrian was nice. Mongolian is always best

[@patwalsh7841]

Great review. Any chance you could do a entry to mid level comparison for Turkish bows? there are alot to chose from.

[@ArminHirmer]

working on it

[@aal-e-ahmadhussain3123]

What does the F-Value indicate?

[@addedcheese]

I'e been looking into buying a bicomposite bow, would you recommend this one as the price is something I could afford and usually bows like these go for much higher prices it seems.

[@ArminHirmer]

Sure it's a great bow

[@addedcheese]

@@ArminHirmer Thank you for the reply. I think with that I dare to buy one.

[@olekristianaunhaug4978]

Amazing bow, and video:) Thanks

[@Daylon91]

Didnt even realize it was a 29 minute review. Great job

[@BramvZwet]

I liked the Biocomposite bows of Grozer for a long time now. Not yet at the point of buying one unfortunately. Great to see such a loving review! I do wonder with this seemingly unprotected finish, how it handles the weather. should you avoid the rain, or snow, Prepare the bow properly for bad weather shooting, or is it no problem to take it out, when the weather isn't that great?

[@danboron1]

Grozer advised me: The biocomposite can take a short shower, but not a long shower... It has a layer of laquer, but is still not fully water resistant... And like a "real Hornbow", with animal glue, also thise new bio-polimer, and the horn and the sinew, WILL get softer, if wet... He sugggested, I could add an extra layer of laquer... But his assistant failed to inform, which kind of laquer... My own advice is: You can add to the rain protection, by simply waxing it well... However, when I waxed my Hunnish Biocomposite, the light ashe wood for the siyahs, became darker... Perhaps because I used a "high quality guitar wax" which also has Cannuba wax in it??? I believe, plain bees wax, will not darken the wood... But, for bringing it out for a tour, I made a "raincoat", out of a cheap green plastic tarp... But before you buy one, you should test which poundage is NICE to shoot with, in your draw length... I ordered the Hunish to be 40 pounds, (at 28"), asuming it would only gain about 5 pounds, when drawn to 32" but it pulls 55# at 32"... A bit too heavy for my sore thumb, even with a thumbring!!! Still, I simply love that bow, while I most often shoot a lighter bow, for the daily "fun and practice-shooting", and only shoot a few shots, with the Hunnish, after proper "warm-up"... However, my light-weight glasfiber recurve, vibrates a lot, compared the bio-composite! Happy shooting Dan from Denmark

[@ericalbert6954]

Merci beaucoup !

[@tammynfletcher]

Pretty bow as usual with Grozer. Never been a fan of style design. I like the Yuen style mongolian with the long syaihs and short bending section would love to see his interpretation of that design. Seemed like a great shooter though! Thank you my friend for a great review as usual and Patreons for picking some beautiful bows!

[@arrowzen7433]

Crazy that it is that fast w. 10 gpp and not faster with lighter. Hmm…Looks like a bow that could easily do 34”

[@hambone950]

what's up with the string angles what do they prove or disprove?

[@Daylon91]

If you are pushing something with your whole body your body leans into the object at a 60° angle naturally. Most efficient for strength with that angle especially throwing heavy arrows like the chinese manchu bows who's string angles were always at 60° at full draw

[@hambone950]

@@Daylon91 interesting thank you

[@Daylon91]

@@hambone950 no problem man also structures are built with this angle too. However with a bow the longer draw length means more momentum unto the arrow even if its past the string angle so ya it matters more with some bows then with others

[@hambone950]

@@Daylon91 im looking at replacing my fiberglass alibow. i guess ill pay more attention to the degrees. thanks for the in depth responses.

[@Daylon91]

@@hambone950 I'd go for the Nomad Laminated bow by Nomad warriors. Shes fast and light. My next bow here eventually

[@Spruce-Bug]

Instructions: Reclaim Eurasia for the Khan. Some assembly required.

[@madmacius5469]

I love Mongolian bows, the only thing that doesn't convince me about the Grozer Mongolian bow are the string bridges, if they were like the Mongolian bow of Imre Nagy or Tumurkhuu it would be the perfect bow for me ... but that's my opinion, the rest of the bow looks fantastic.😁 Thanks Mr. Armin, I think next month I'll be patreon 😅

[@jimmyhor78]

This is late Mongolian style. They are a lot more similar to Manchu bows. The early Mongols have non contact siyahs. If you love that style, you can check his biocomposite Hungarian bows they generally have less hand shock.

[@JesusvonNazaret]

25:50 KZbin isn't the cashcow it used to be anymore

[@gizmonomono]

An awesome review and a fine bow. I like it. I don't think the brace height being shorter would matter. With the string bridges and the angle of the syah being so forward. I don't know, just guessing 😁

[@ArminHirmer]

he always makes his bows that it is right, so I am not worried about the brace height at all :)

[@gizmonomono]

@@ArminHirmer Yup. My Grozer mongolean fiberglass bow has the same shape and brace height.

[@theatrenisha9345]

loved the review, Master does the bow having a higher than recommended Brace affect its performance ?

[@ArminHirmer]

thank you. not at all. the 7.5 inches are just a number, but when you get the bow, the brace height is always just right for the bow

[@Archerstidbits]

Superb!

[@_SkyEye]

One can actually hear the quality when the now is being shot - it’s like a whiplash.

[@snaiwa]

This bow is beautiful!

[@kublaicarl4818]

Maybe if we all e-mail Csaba and ask him to build a Yuan style Mongolian bow he might be tempted? it would be nice to see his take on a period correct bow. I've just sent an e-mail asking him. I'll let you all know, if I get a reply that is.

[@kublaicarl4818]

No reply as yet, but to be honest I didn't really expect one.

[@geovani1412]

530g arrows= 39,1 Joules of energy 500g arrows= 50,1 Joules of energy 380g arrows= 38,4 Joules of energy 300g arrows= 32,49 Joules of energy

[@riggelvonkarma2589]

Nice. Why you don't made a review of Istvan Toth Mongolian bow? Please :) Nice video, amazing bow

[@ArminHirmer]

The moment Istvan will send me one, or my Patrons will vote for one - I will :) thanks for watching

[@VladMcMerlin]

"Look at these cures!" ;)

[@nosoymuyoriginal]

Armin: “I usually don’t overly like Mongolian bows” Me: *Looks over at the Kheshig that I bought based in his review* “What?”

[@ArminHirmer]

.. late Mongolian bows :)

[@MrRourk]

Especially when I think I have to give this bow away *grimace face* I think he wants to keep it!

[@ArminHirmer]

yes of course I want to keep this bow, but I promised before I shot it to give it away :D :D

[@soto44123]

The bow is very loud.

[@jimmyhor78]

"This bow is not built for speed" ......"186fps"

[@h0tkoko]

Hahaha

[@davidsalman8362]

Armin Ustath (Teacher) What's your Secret to stay in shape? i'd like to be like you when i get Older, and not Grow up to be a Lazy old man :|

[@ArminHirmer]

don't get lazy :D and keep a young mind

[@robsarchery9679]

nice looking bow

[@schatzperson]

Wish Grozer tells us what "biocomposite" means.