Mongoose Style | | Fencing Tutorial [Movement Style] (Foil, Epee, Saber)

[@benpeltola1364]

Please keep these coming. In the same way that Cyrus is a pillar of the community with all the footage from competitions he has on his channel, your guys' channel is an informative nexus for technical elements of fencing.

[@s-class8871]

Ben Peltola this was a really nice compliment to hear. Thank you for making our day 🙏

[@keraatkins7833]

This is so cool and I’m glad a mobile fencing game made me look into this sport!

[@maxfin3941]

Best fencing video I've seen in my life thanks it short simple and actually shows something your coaches don't

[@s-class8871]

Max Fin you just made our day. Thanks, dude. Our next video should be out tomorrow

[@gala9151]

Honestly theese are the most helpful videos on fencing that I've seen and I've searched a lot. I don't think any coach could give me advice like theese. I would appriciate more epee videos but either way, thanks for making theese.

[@thegogreenteam7384]

Nice! I’m glad you shared the concept of the Mongooses and Snakes game 😉

[@dcast093]

Definitely the most helpful video so far. Thanks!

[@s-class8871]

dcast093 thanks! We’re always trying to improve so let us know what you liked about it and we’ll try to do that more in the future.

[@iainmcclure416]

Small, hopping actions also allow for more explosive lunges and retreats. Try doing a box jump from standing still to the same exercise from little hops.

[@FENCINGSEASON]

Great video man

[@ejcnunez]

Great video.

[@foilfencinghighlights8663]

Who are some of the best fencers who use mongoose style effectively? Trying to watch to see how they use it against their competitors.

[@alexthegreat38]

I know your comment is 3 years old but wanted to recommend you watch USA fencer Chase Emmer

[@sanjaykasi3319]

Do you think Mongoose style or a classical footwork pattern is more effective for a fencer who does a lot of long attacks?

[@sanjaykasi3319]

Also Yuki Ota's footwork pattern is similar to the Mongoose Style as well correct?

[@s-class8871]

So yes, I’d say Ota’s footwork can be classified as mongoose style. To answer your question I personally think more classic footwork is probably better for long attacks, the reason being that there is more fine control of the movement. The fact that you’re not hoping around means you have really fine control of individual tempo changes instead of the flurry of hops. If you mean long slow pushes or slow push into a broken timing chase, then personally I’d go with classic footwork. However, If you’re trying a long jump attack or something like that then it may be easier to transition into that sort of attack if you’re already hopping. That being said: 1.) it is entirely possible to do long attacks out of mongoose footwork (just look at Lee, Ota, and many others. 2.) fencing is freedom. It depends on what kind of hits you are going for. You can make almost anything work provided you set it up properly and use it in the right context. 3.) ideally you can do both. If you have a great long attack it only adds versatility to your game to be able to preform it in multiple ways, just like it’s also good to work on shorter range options in many ways. The greater your repertoire, the greater your move list, the greater your options to deal with an opponent. If one solution doesn’t work maybe another one will.

[@sanjaykasi3319]

@@s-class8871 Ok thank you, this video was very helpful.

[@isabelalvarez8876]

You guys are awesome. Your analogies remind me of Bruce Lee. He used to go to the zoo and spend time analyzing different creatures, how they move to attack or defend. Bruce incorporated this tactics in to his art and used them. I like to teach my students to set their mind in thinking how a cobra or a tiger, or a rabbit or a fox will attack and defend. So I ask them to practice attacking like a cobra (Valentina Vezzali). Or playful like a rabbit or fox, or strong like a tiger. Good job guys, keep it up!

[@s-class8871]

Thank you for your kind words. He’s a personal hero of ours and a lot of his style and teachings inform how we train and fence (particularly economy of motion, or the idea that every movement has a cost and a benefit and you’re ideally trying to minimize ‘wasted movement’). We really appreciate the support 🙏

[@AAAA-bs7kt]

its not easy to punish it, bec lee is already one tempo ahead jumping ahead jumping back ready to retake -- 4:00 may I ask what does this sentence mean?

[@s-class8871]

Great question. When Lee jumps in he is balanced and ready, whereas Itkin has to react to jump into distance. Lee is already in the process of jumping out and ready to hit the blade because he initiated the interaction. He was a “tempo ahead” in terms of movement. In fencing it certainly helps to be fast. But better than being fast is knowing or anticipating where they will be.

[@AAAA-bs7kt]

@@s-class8871 thank u so much!

[@ubee2014]

what does it mean by reduce tempo?

[@s-class8871]

Tempo refers to the way we like to measure “time” in fencing. Because the movements in fencing (and combat sports in general) are so fast, it becomes somewhat problematic to measure things in seconds. A person can fit a lot of movements within a second or two. A tempo refers to a movement. For example, a step forward takes two movements. First your front foot moves, then your back foot moves. A hop on the other hand is a single tempo because both feet more at the same time. In this way we can say that a hop reduces the amount of tempos. Hope that helped, maybe there’s another way I can explain it.

[@romahernandez8525]

does anyone have a saber bout that can be used as an example for this

[@s-class8871]

Gimme a sec I’ll look for one

[@s-class8871]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWTbY42ZbpKZmKM This is just a terrific bout overall, however, I think it shows how the same idea can be applied in sabre, however it happens touch-to-touch rather than within one touch. If you really break it down both fencers are playing with distance. They both come forward and get away-go (go backward), finish (simple attack), or chase finish (go forward). Both fencers have to adapt and “guess” which direction the other fencer will move after their opening action. These two are so good that all of the fencing is happening in the middle because they can’t afford to let the other chase, but even when a chase starts the same principles apply. Lemme know if that makes sense

[@deinodark3806]

This technique is kinda sus