HLG looks better hands down. I film with HLG and I don’t have to do a lot more in post unless I really want to. Your footage is good, maybe a tad bit too much “orange/teal”.
@tatejeremias65353 жыл бұрын
instablaster...
@ShotByDiz2 жыл бұрын
What do you overexpose by?
@beirutgaming2 жыл бұрын
agree HLG2 and HLG3 are best
@TheBeggFamily3 жыл бұрын
I’m using HLG3 on my ZV-1. I simply expand the highlights and shadows and do very little to the colour apart from saturation. It’s great!
@fredriksvard26038 ай бұрын
Use color space transform or a conversion lut instead. If you want it to be sooc just use standard/neutral profile.
@paulanderegg55364 жыл бұрын
The advantage to HLG3 that 99% of people overlook, or seem unaware of, is that it can be converted to HDR10 (PQ ST2084) without any grading necessary. HLG3 viewed in HDR as HLG has no noisy shadow issues. When converted to HDR10, also, no shadow noise. The fact is looks proper as HDR10 and noisy shadows as SDR, should remind you it is an HDR gamma, and using it for SDR is not really it's strongest feature.
@VidHeadz5 жыл бұрын
I like the the look of the HLG3 because it has a more quality look in your sample footage. The dynamic range automatically gives a better cinematic look hands down. Also editing the HLG3 is similar to editing Raw footage when you look at how the detail is retained even when you bring down the highlights all the way. much more detail in the shadows than the cine profile. I would like to mention that I would bring down the Saturation and detail in camera so that you have a little more wiggle room in post. Every little bit helps when you are dealing with 8 bit and only 100 Mbps of data. the in camera saturation is not necessarily the same saturation that you would use in post so why not keep your options open as wide as possible Well, that is my 2 cents. Great vid keep up the great work!!!
@TereWild4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this!!!
@TereWild4 жыл бұрын
do you use it in bt2020 as well?
@VidHeadz4 жыл бұрын
@@TereWild yes, but I kind of go back and forth.
@TereWild4 жыл бұрын
@@VidHeadz back and forth to what??
@VidHeadz4 жыл бұрын
@@TereWild back and forth to rec709 setting
@IndianPolish3 жыл бұрын
HLG looks crazy good 🤔
@shanesilba94234 жыл бұрын
Both look so GOOD!
@tuckerhoranmedia5 жыл бұрын
Good to have you guys back!
@LucaBono.Studio5 жыл бұрын
Nice video mate! The only problem of HLG is the noise in the shadows, clearly visible in your video, but the DR is quite good. Cine4 compress to much informations in the midrange to give more highlights informations. Cine2 is a better choice in any case , the highlights roll-off with skin tones are gentle and pleasing, it's almost noise free in the shadows, it record in a range of 100% so you will have better color informations, easy to edit...give it a try ;) You guys are great! Keep rocking!
@SocietateaAscendenta3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@adammiles71632 жыл бұрын
awsome ive been debating on which pp to stick with been switching in-between s-log 2 hlg now im thinking of cine2 because what you just said about the highligh roll off does it retain in sky and what not and look good which pp do you use when in cine2 ?
@hughjidiot39232 жыл бұрын
Hello! I've been digging and digging into my own testing here, running into issues with Slog3, finding out that my camera (Sony a6400) shoots in 8bit color, then looking towards HLG2, Slog2 and Cine4. I also noticed a significant difference of noise in the shadows in cine4 (though I liked the grade better in HLG), but what are your thoughts in shooting in low light? Slog2 for when there is plenty of light? And then Cine4 for low light?
@fredriksvard26038 ай бұрын
@@hughjidiot3923standard pp
@christianhotter5 жыл бұрын
I sold my a6500 and bought an a6400 so I could have the HLG profile. I shoot with multiple Sony cameras, so having each one using the same color profile helps me keep a similar look when I start editing.
@dennismenace41885 жыл бұрын
I really don't know why people use Cine4 unless shooting a low light scene. The Cine1/2 gammas will retain highlights much better, which is what most people are wanting most of the time. Also, when using the HLG gammas, the two color space options Bt2020 and Rec709 are significantly different. A better test would have been to shoot Cine4 and HLG with the Rec709 color space for a more objective look at what the gammas are doing differently.
@CC-gt3roАй бұрын
Cine1 is best even in low light. Look at Geoffrey Gonzales video on a7iii. He publish its settings after intensive tests. Cine1 is a log setting but less intensive. The guy explains everything.
@ciao_abhi4 жыл бұрын
not a fan of the HLG's red looking skin tones. It is basically a variation of the cyan-orange split toning that everyone does and it makes it look too processed and less cinematic. Cine4 has much less contrast and has better skin tones. I love sonys cameras but they don't seem to handle skin tones as well as something like the Fuji xt-3
@skyrocker714 жыл бұрын
i use HLG 2 , good video , and with all due respect , i watched it till the end just because of that BEAUTIFUL woman :)
@ResizeFilms4 жыл бұрын
We use HLG 2 whenever there’s a lot of light available, mainly to get a smooth highlight rolloff and good dynamic range. That said, it’s a pretty noisy gamma when shooting in low light conditions, we then switch to our custom PP which is much more contrasty. Good job, greetings.
@delas0ul4 жыл бұрын
Resize Films would you share your custom PP?
@elvispresley25424 жыл бұрын
2nd that request @resizefilms
@davidq29394 жыл бұрын
2nd that @resize films
@LivingProofFilmz3 жыл бұрын
how do you push so much teal into the shadows on some of your clips without the image breaking apart? I've been running into that issue and i've just been thinking i should possibly upgrade to something like the GH5 that is 10 bit that may help with the image not falling apart. your help would be much appreciated.
@TechJungle4 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, I have a Sony a6400 and I struggle with color correction and dynamic range so this helps a lot.
@micahestlin15244 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it feels like every video about colour grading/colour science on specific cameras are just extended ads for the creators LUT pack. Hard to tell how biased or true some of the things they say are.
@damiencooper4 жыл бұрын
I get where you’re coming from. But how would it be biased as we’re selling luts for both profiles 🤷🏼♂️😂
@a9udn9u4 жыл бұрын
I was focusing on the color quality of your video footages the whole time.
@samuelsulaiman3 жыл бұрын
ofc you are
@caseybachmeyer Жыл бұрын
the diskussions here about 10000 sony colorprofiles in 8 BIT...i love it
@PeekHike2 жыл бұрын
Keep a good work!, that's was a lot of info
@TBDmedia Жыл бұрын
I’ve got an Ax700 nice video I’m gonna play with them now
@josejamora77734 жыл бұрын
Can you share about how you set your white balance on this video? Thanks. Nice comparison, nice video very informative. Subbed 👍🏻
@DayedreamMedia4 жыл бұрын
I used to shoot only HLG3 when i first got my A7iii. But, I hated the way it rendered skin tones. Everything was to red and orange. Skin tones in my shots always looked like oompa loompa skin. Your talking head shots show a bit orangey as well. You may want to checkout hlg2 and/or move from bt2020 to rec709😉
@TereWild4 жыл бұрын
Excelent!!!! which lens did you use?
@finkwiedervogel3 жыл бұрын
That helped me a lot! I was thinking about changing to slog profiles to get more details in skys etc. But, as you mentioned, the slogs are not the best if you have to be quick. Thanks 💪🏻
@morsecodebox7724 жыл бұрын
Do you exposure any differently with these profiles ? Ie higher with the HLG to save some noise in the shadows.
@heihachi89073 жыл бұрын
I have a green tint if I use hlg2 or 3. Any solutions out there?
@petvesta2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, all these videos from creators are confusing me! I am just getting back into photography after 18 years, and want to now do video. No creators talk about the available light conditions. I bet it makes a difference whether it is sunny, overcast, warm morning or evening light, Mid-day, etc... so, I bet there is no "one size fits all " setting because conditions are different and can even change constantly. What do you think? Thanks!
@pglazzari13 жыл бұрын
Try HLG2. It has the best dynamic range of the three HLG profile. HLG3 at night causes more noise. PP7 with the right LUT can look pretty cinematic.
@truthseeker68042 жыл бұрын
hlg3 has more dynamic range yes hlg3 has more noise in the dark. you can improve that with adjusting black levels in the pp settings.
@CINEMATIK4 жыл бұрын
Do your luts support Davinchi Resolve?
@OliverWolter3 жыл бұрын
Funny that you should mention the reds. I also did notice that red is somewhat off and washed out. So how do you deal with it?
@RukiNao5 жыл бұрын
better HLG3 BT:2020 ! ! !
@alieazzy16313 жыл бұрын
You have this preset call “70’s” I was wondering in future if you creating more luts for Sony it would be nice to include something like this it’s feels like old Fuji colors. It would be awesome if a néw version of your luts will include orange and teal vibes, old film look and so on.
@tibormarochini78922 жыл бұрын
@Monkeypixels you convinced me to choose HLG3 over Cine4, but can you tell me how to expose footage for HLG3 right? +1 to +1.5 steps? False color? Thank you!
@elvispresley25424 жыл бұрын
I bought a recorder so I had 10bit. It is a world of difference. My A7s2 is like a new camera. Not exactly like my bmpcc 6k, but for run-n- gun it's aces now.
@damiencooper4 жыл бұрын
Elvis Presley ?! The A7 Series doesn’t have 10bit. Neither with a recorder
@DHueston4 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that A7s2 only outputs 8-bit via HDMI.
@rabunitosilva76864 жыл бұрын
Video muito bom, obrigado por compartilhar
@alex.muntean4 жыл бұрын
I use HLG3, but with Rec709 instead of BT2020. That might be the reason your colors were off. I agree that even with Rec709 selected it oversaturates the reds.
@IvanGRANID4 жыл бұрын
custom colors in settings
@alex.muntean4 жыл бұрын
Ivan GRANID sure you can tweak the colors from there to a certain extent, but Rec709 and BT2020 have different colors to them and if you use BT2020 which is a larger gamut you have to convert it to Rec709 when you color the footage in your NLE, unless your timeline are output are Rec2020, of course.
@fredriksvard26038 ай бұрын
Yes. Did you figure out a setting that fixes the reds?
@DannyBoneZz3 ай бұрын
Were these in 60fps and then slowed down to 24 fps in post?
@smann72362 жыл бұрын
So when it comes to cinema for film look what is the best option? Hlog or cine or slog?
@antonisdavis22884 жыл бұрын
hlg1 for night shots & hlg2 for day, both at rec 709 of course!!!
@filmmakerinbusiness67362 жыл бұрын
I'll only use HLG3 on my Sony A7iii. More forgiving, beter dynamic range, nice skin tones. I'm using a corrective - leeming - lut. I did use slog3 ones and it is terrible for all-round-usage. Same for Cine4. Only in contoled situations, i.e. low dynamic range. The main effort must be on good exposure and white balance. Stick to 95% zebra's! Leave the upper 5% to color information.
@ibrahimzayed77002 жыл бұрын
can u tell me setting for HLG3
@filmmakerinbusiness67362 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahimzayed7700 Everything on default as it comes in PP10 and use HLG3. Only detail is -7. But you have to use a corrective lut like leeming. If you don’t thank you have to tweek in camera but it is not as accurate as with a corrective lut. If you still want it out of camera and no corrective lut than besides HLG3 and detail -7 also color phase -3.
@ibrahimzayed77002 жыл бұрын
@@filmmakerinbusiness6736 thanks bro
@djchristiantorres7810 Жыл бұрын
How do you invalidate the color to rec 709? do you use any lut? because if I invalidate 709 in final cut the image is dull and greenish and if I put in bt2020 the skin tones are very red
@OliverBeck14 жыл бұрын
sehr schöner Vergleich, danke dafür. Findet dein Edit in einem rec709-Projekt statt? Überschreibst du dann den Farbraum? Das spackte bei mir des öfteren.
@DanielTuriman3 жыл бұрын
Are shoot in full hd for footage test comparision, and what frame rate?
@EyeconicVision8 ай бұрын
Amazing work .. what song is that playing ine the background
@Abhisheksinghchauhanlife3 жыл бұрын
Make video on sony zv1 which one is good for cine setting and picture profile
@bhrishaprem50512 жыл бұрын
Helped me a lot... oks
@HarryJackson5 жыл бұрын
Guessing this is a song from artlist? What’s it called?
@HarryJackson5 жыл бұрын
@@damiencooper okay cool, i really want to know what its called, im spending ages looking for it
@ميلوز11 ай бұрын
with hlg what is best bt 2020 or rec709
@AbuKhadijah3 жыл бұрын
Setting for white balance? Auto?
@damiencooper3 жыл бұрын
never auto ;) mostly 5600 I guess
@manoharshanmugam3 жыл бұрын
@@damiencooper How about ISO? Auto or Manual with HLG3?
@cassijoanna3 жыл бұрын
@@damiencooper newbie here for grading and you literally can't grade if you use awb
@daniel_gall5 жыл бұрын
One of the best channels out there! When do you drop canon eosr vs sony
@TrillEstate4 жыл бұрын
What frame rate did you shoot the slow mo? Looks awesome!!!!!
@surimakhloga302 жыл бұрын
What zebra setting should keep in a7iii for hlg3 profile.?
@MVargabass4 жыл бұрын
Danke fürs Video!
@saminekunis86803 жыл бұрын
I like the HLG3 on the a bit older Sony Cameras A 7 S2 & A7 R III much better unless you record via HDMI to a recording monitor in ProResRaw or Black Magic Raw. For the Apple ProRes Raw I have to say that I prefer the 7' Shogun Flame over the Ninja bc it has a much better HLG color range than the Ninja V. I would go so far to say that than you use the Flame you can hardly see an improvement from the S 2 to the S. There is just a slight color shift if you compare both, especially in Videos shot at night at high ISO levels. And even though Sony will not admit this, but then you buy instead of a G master lens a higher Grade Zeiss lens, especially the Otus line, than I actually prefer just the picture/video quality of the S 2 & R 3
@markshirley014 жыл бұрын
What about Clog on the R Damien is that easier to work with.
@sergiocanales99704 жыл бұрын
nice video, do you use rec709 or bt2020?
@zakariamotamedi8432 жыл бұрын
Which lens have you used ?
@ivanalvaradoreels3 жыл бұрын
do you use rec709 or bt2020?
@ByMourad3 жыл бұрын
Is saw for the PP10 HL3 you were in BT2020 so not Rec709 ? Can you help me to understand please. Thank you
@AngeloDau3 жыл бұрын
use bt2020, way better for grading
@mathieupsyche5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this test ! What do you think about HLG3 REC709 instead of BT2020? Also what is your detail level for HLG3 slowmotion?
@alex.muntean4 жыл бұрын
Mathieu Psyché I use Rec709 for HLG3 and I think it’s the better choice, because I know my delivery is 709 and not a wider gamut. That only creates more problems than it’s worth at the moment.
@CC-gt3roАй бұрын
@@alex.munteanapparently what you di is wrong, you lose information by not setting bt2020. In low light high iso Cine1 with Cinema or Pro and other custom settings give the best to avoid shadow noise and color noise. Look at Geoffrey Gonzales video on a7iii he made intensive tests.
@SNAPAVELI5 жыл бұрын
Nice!! What lens were you filming with?
@SNAPAVELI5 жыл бұрын
Monkeypixels Thanks! 120fps?
@navyrasrisansuk53274 жыл бұрын
@@damiencooper Film with zeiss 35 f1.4...Full frame or super 35 ? Thanks
@michaelcavazos60023 жыл бұрын
Picture Profile?
@boomboombaby9140 Жыл бұрын
Everyone is saying HLG3 looks the best but I see noise in the blacks and shadows
@francopromedia4 жыл бұрын
Excellent quality? What are your export settings for fcpx? Do you use compressor??
@damiencooper4 жыл бұрын
Franco Pro Media hey, I just uploaded a video about my complete editing workflow including export settings!
@francopromedia4 жыл бұрын
@@damiencooper ok I'll watch it. Thanks
@AndreDreler14 жыл бұрын
Nice Test!
@leokeller4 жыл бұрын
Andre Dreßler true!
@sakarapicture42744 жыл бұрын
openin music please
@KMFilmr4 жыл бұрын
You set hlg3 to rec 709?
@IvanGRANID4 жыл бұрын
Yes and little customize
@ayrtons15723 жыл бұрын
Love HLG3 but my Mac struggles in FCPX , cine4 is much easier.
@chalaynashulaw9224 жыл бұрын
subscribed!
@gauravprakash2883 жыл бұрын
Hey! Which camera did you use to shot this cinematic video?
@damiencooper3 жыл бұрын
A7III
@gauravprakash2883 жыл бұрын
@@damiencooper Wow, Great! And which lens pls? I just started Film making. Your work is an inspiration for me 🙏🏻
@damiencooper3 жыл бұрын
@@gauravprakash288 thank you. We used the 35mm 1.4 Sony lens
@marwingfrorer9185 жыл бұрын
Also ich liebe HLG 3, aber in Final Cut hat man öfter mal nen bug und dann sind die Farben am Arsch..
@marwingfrorer9185 жыл бұрын
Monkeypixels ja und dann passt das meistens auch. Wenn man die footage dann allerdings im multicam tool nutzt fängt sie an zu spinnen.. Ich musste neulich meine ganze footage rausrendern und neu importieren, damit es geklappt hat..
@davidschwan3 жыл бұрын
wow great video!!!!!
@idencarlomanalo44974 жыл бұрын
Eterna, provia, classic chrome and velvia. Just kidding.
@daoquang9004 жыл бұрын
iden carlo manalo classic chrome is my favortie. Oh wait wrong video
@stephan63355 жыл бұрын
Super Video! 🙌🏻 bin eigentlich auch genau eurer Meinung. SLOG bei 8 bit finde ich auch nicht wirklich sinnvoll, speziell bei run & gun oder so... 🧗🏼♂️ Mein aktuelles Video, welches morgen Premiere hat, hab ich komplett in Cine4 gefilmt. Werde aber wohl doch mit HLG weitermachen, speziell der Highlight Rolloff ist echt super find ich... 😊
@Pramoduncan4 жыл бұрын
I was ready to change my picture profile to cine 4 but from watching your video made me like nahh, hlg3 is better so yeah I will stick it to it..nice video..
@thepug25443 жыл бұрын
Hlg3
@noelmed58184 жыл бұрын
hlg looks much better
@OhFishyFish5 жыл бұрын
7:09 - I'm surprised that you haven't commented on the terrible banding in the bottom-right corner, that's unusable.
@IvanGRANID4 жыл бұрын
HLG3 is my Love, Slogs are Shit!
@Slovanin.3 жыл бұрын
skin tones its to red...
@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat3 жыл бұрын
CINE4 NEVER WAS GOOD, IT'S EITHER CINE2 OR HLG
@CC-gt3roАй бұрын
Cine1 is better in high iso low light conditions. See Geoffrey Gonzales video which explain everything.
@alannguyen20103 жыл бұрын
HLG3 quality is no good. Fujifilm is much better.
@DjordjeSrpski2 жыл бұрын
camera you are talking about is probably xt4 which has 10bit, so it's really not comparable with sony a7iii which is working in 8bit.
@pakiboyhadrou5 жыл бұрын
1:06 ummmm yeah
@spo5egy4 жыл бұрын
Mmmmmmm oh yeah 🤩
@lemon584214 жыл бұрын
I dont see the difference! hahaha
@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat3 жыл бұрын
STUPID TO SHOW DIFFERENT VIDEOS TO SEE SLIGHT DIFFERENCE