MOOG minimoog vs Model D │ Can you hear it now?! - haQ attaQ 290

[@analogmatthew]

Close enough for rock n' roll! 😎 P.S. Stop touching my knobs! 😂

[@RoomAtTheTopStudio]

Tack Jakob. You just sold me on getting a iPad set up and Moog Minimoog vst. I got it wrong but I'm glad that I did. The Boog maybe small but an iPad is easier to travel with when I'm traveling.Tack igen

[@BurgerPlanetLive]

I can't believe I chose the iPad app over the official synth in the blind comparison. Wow, that's crazy?!

[@cuezaireekaa]

Videography Quality is at its peak bro thank you for your videos and thank you kai

[@KeltyVince]

I just noticed that the oscillators where slightly out when the second synth hit the high note, and also while it was filter swept, that pointed to the hardware having some small drift, or very slight detune, the iPad version was slightly cleaner, but still almost exactly the same, well through what I'm listening with at the moment, imho, the app is extremely good.

[@kixsounds3882]

Been putting off buying this app...now I'm sold!

[@JakobHaq]

Happy you found the video useful. Btw, MOOG has done an amazing job on the the app! If you enjoy the app, why it send some love over to the lead developer. His name is Geert Bevin (twitter: @ gbevin ) 😉

[@tothefinlandstation]

IIRC, on one of the previous popular videos comparing some popular software Minimoog to a hardware original, the software fared very well, except for audio rate frequency modulation (especially when sweeping the frequency of oscillator 3), and certain high self-feedback settings.

[@rabbit_noize]

Great comparison!! You know, I do love the app, it sounds wonderful. I’m sooo tempted to buy the hardware, but in my experience it’s kind of a waste...I had the iMS-20 app, then bought a vintage ms20. Sold it after 3 months because yeah, as pretty as the hardware is, I found myself using the app way more than the hardware. I’m afraid the same would happen if I bought a model d! These apps are so sweet :)

[@Zaubrer488]

wow, I was correct again. I felt that physical one was sounding a tiny bit richer, like as if it had subtle more harmonics. But to be honest, they sound incredible similar which is astonishing comparing the prices.

[@zetetick395]

I think it's fair to say that what with the expense and unwieldiness of the OG machine And the _quality_ of the App by MOOG (which will only improve over time, also) - Then the old hardware is *great* for enthusiasts / hobbyists etc But for working (and often poor) musicians, MOOGs App are the way to go! \o/ IT'S A MUSIC REVOLUTION!!

[@emobmusic4945]

Wow I guessed wrong! Sounds are so close that most people wouldn’t be able to tell. Especially when used within a song

[@lowlowseesee]

i guessed correctly since I knew moog was behind it. unlike most companies (stacy adams, ford) they stay high quality

[@Rens_Beats]

Well i guessed wrong, so the iOS app definitely sounds great 🙌🏻

[@bgimusic]

Rens_Beats YES! I thought the same. It’s a testament to its quality!

[@CoenBijpost]

To me the sound of the minimoog is actually in between the imini and the model d. Closer to the model d for sure, but the model d seems a tiny but cleaner and the imini a (slightly larger) bit dirtier than the real minimoog. Cool test man!

[@sibbyeskie]

The best test is on bass lines with multiple osc’s. Software tends to create phase artifacts which makes the low end “float” and become thin in areas and fat in others. Hardware just always sounds perfectly fat. Also harmonics are evident when playing leads. Basically, you won’t have to reach for EQ, warmth or compression much if at all with hardware. On software you will have to fiddle just to get close as an aggregate mix. My tip is if you have good preamps to run your output from software back into your input pre’s. you’ll have to mind the meters, but it should deliver a lot more of that analog warmth you just can’t emulate otherwise.

[@berval5948]

Wow!!!!!!!!!! The fatness is great in the iOS version

[@guytori9330]

I think the major thing is that any analog hardware has subtle to extreme changes in characteristics of sound based on the climate that the synthesizer exits in also potentiometers can act funny when dust or moisture get at them thus give hardware an unstable but maybe more organic feel to it. The amp output in hardware can be overdriven as well giving a louder puncher sound, with iOS synths your limited to the iOS devices output and with the software you can emulate irregularities but can’t fully capture all the nuances that come with the hardware counterpart. This all said the model d app is quite impressive and offers more than the hardware does. Thanks for the comparison Jakob, was hard to tell the difference in the examples you displayed

[@JakobHaq]

Great write-up! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@guytori9330]

Jakob Haq thank you! I appreciate you vids. I dabble in making analog synthesizers one of the challenges is to stabilize the oscillators That is done with a tempco resistor some heat transfer compound and some shrink tube, at least the way I approach it Nice thing with iOS apps or any other synth software is you get close enough to the inconsistency of analog with out it just becoming a nuisance

[@JakobHaq]

I know what you mean. I’ve been using the same type of resistors when building a few hardware analogue myself. I know I worked hard on tuning my MFOS kit synths.

[@guytori9330]

Jakob Haq (R.I.P) Ray Wilson. It is MFOS that I build as well and tuning certainly is a challenge.

[@ElectronisoundsAudio]

Nice work, Jakob! ✌️ Model D app - Pads 007 - Floating Fiberglass (Just a random shout out for one of my favorite patches!!) 😍🤓👊

[@theTerribleFamiliar]

On some of those sweeps, the hardware model d sounded like it had richer harmonics at points, but it was incredibly minute. iOS sounds great.

[@MSS-g7f]

Great test. I guessed incorrectly. But either sound is great. As an aside I just downloaded the iSEM....stupendous value 😎😎

[@thedrumunkey]

I still think iSEM is best AU iOS synth...

[@MSS-g7f]

The Drümünkey Got through 5 presets, recorded 2 tracks already 😀😀

[@digitaldiezel5870]

Lol, both sound good! Yeah the last full res test was the only major difference. For the money though....Model D 😁!

[@redbirdsaraceno]

another cool video as usual

[@istillwantthatgasyes3464]

I can’t wait for your review of the dr octo rex for Korg gadget!

[@BurgerPlanetLive]

Does this app have midi learn?

[@christoroppolo8742]

This app is a big favorite of mine as well as the Arturia version. Peace Christo 👽

[@lowlowseesee]

everyone is going to feel differently about this kind of thing. for me when the changes are this small you could make the app sounds sound even better in the mix and even better in the mastering process.

[@TheOneMonk]

Only listened on Ipad speakers but still could hear a difference. Synth2 has those sligth inconsistencies of analog gear. Synth1 sounds cleaner all the way, hence digital. Also, the filter sweep goes from very smooth to aggressive on the original. Then again, if you consider value for money the app is fab. And in a mix you will hardly hear the difference. But nothing beats playing with the real knobs ;-)

[@whoozl3540]

Great video! I also think the Moog Model D app leaves Arturia iMini in the dust, although I love Arturia products in general. Btw, what kind of app is the oscilloscope you were using - at least I think it's an app? Thanks!

[@JakobHaq]

Open up the description and scroll down to the full info about the Oscilloscope. 😉👍🏼

[@Groho]

I love Haq attaq!! ❤️

[@mabba1013]

During the intro of your video, what is that "midi Hub" called? I've been trying to find it online and must be overlooking it everywhere.

[@JakobHaq]

That’s the Novation AudioHUB 2x4! Ive got a great deep review of it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYScq4OBYtuihNk

[@JakobHaq]

Ops! 🤦🏽‍♂️ Sorry I know what you mean now, you’re referring to the Retrokits RK-004. I’ve got a video about that one too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKq9f56Pm8aDfKs

[@bgimusic]

wow!

[@MatthewJohnCrittenden]

Preferred the app .. own the app, can’t afford the hardware ... result!

[@factckzone7533]

I guessed wrong, but to be honest I flipped a coin. They both sounded remarkably similar. I'm not sure if it's because of the YT audio scheme (mp3?) or if it's my (not so cheap) Logitech speakers. After the reveal I listened several more times paying more attention to the oscilloscope. I saw a major difference in the wave patterns especially during the second comparison test. The Model D had a more perfect sine wave compared to the Minimoog. Of course, that might just be related to the different knob vs. finger on-the-screen tweaking techniques. My biggest concern about software programs like the Model D is how much will it be worth in 10 or 15 years? Or if it would still work without expensive updates on future iPads/PC's and their inevitable replacements? People typically buy software because they cannot afford the real thing. They can fill a computer with a recording studio full of virtual instruments for a fraction of the cost of the real thing. That's an important advantage for anybody living on a tight budget but whom still wants to produce music. But software isn't always the advantage that one thinks and it's NOT an investment. It's a money pit! Therefore, it's best to go with free or inexpensive unless you're prepared to pay for it again and again. Case in point, around 2000 I invested a couple of thousand dollars in all kinds of popular DAW with VST plugins, effects, compressors, and other software programs that are now obsolete or just worthless without expensive updates (Acid Pro, Sound Forge, Cubase, Cake Walk, FL Studio, Reason, Magix, and more than I can remember) . The only programs that I kept are Ableton Live and Atmosphere (now called Omnisphere) but both have required upgrades in the several of hundreds of dollars over the years. So far I've doubled both their original price tags! And I expect that they will continue to cost me to upgrade in the years to come too! Hardware is an investment, retains its value better and sometimes becomes more valuable especially when it's called 'vintage.' I've built 5 new PC's since 2000 with 4 different operating systems. Windows XP. Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and now Windows 10. Each OS upgrade required another software upgrade for the software to work properly. Not once did I have to upgrade my Korg Triton, Access Virus, Korg N1, Quasimidi Polymorph (rare! Vintage!) or the dozen of other pieces of hardware gear.

[@EnriquePage91]

Fact Ckzone i feel you but my advice is: don’t update your iPhone and you’re good - I mean how much is an iDevice worth?? Quite less than an actual Moog. If you don’t want to deal with software updates, just don’t - don’t update, and your model D on your iPad will last for as long as your iPad lasts. To be fair, I’ve had the same iPad for 7 years: 30 dollars for a moog d for 7 years sounds like a bargain to me. As an example, I still haven’t updated it, and that means I get to still use samplr which apparently everybody loves and no one is able to use in current iOS. I’d rather buy another iPad than update mine, it would become useless anyway given how old it is. I’d rather just keep it with its OG operating system, which means I also get to keep my apps.

[@amanray]

Why all those test never make comparaison with complex sounds? The more you ad modulations the more you hear differences

[@valdiskrebs566]

Wow, most guessed wrong! Tells you quite alot about the Moog iOS app! Better choice then Behringer Model D IMHO. Moog outfoxed Behringer... 🤪

[@SPAZZOID100]

Valdis Krebs VST’s don’t last as long as hardware.

[@valdiskrebs1670]

Agree. But for < $100 I have Moog's Model 15, Model D, and Animoog in a 1 pound case. And I can launch multiple instances of them in any decent iOS DAW. This and a nice MIDI controller(all these apps are MIDI-mappable) and you have a very portable studio... and no repair fees on aging hardware. The MIDI controller is key, I would rather twist knobs and push real sliders than do it on the iPad screen. Can even use multiple MIDI controllers at once.

[@whoozl3540]

Well, then check this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/porblGuIlLasqZI Btw, I don't understand why there are so many musicians, especially in the German speaking region who are in dislike of Behringer products. Behringer makes reasonably good products for an even more reasonable price. With Model D you get the tweaking feel and the sound of a Minimoog for a fraction of the price. What's wrong with that? No bad feelings here anyway, Valdis 🖖 Guessed it all right, but only by looking at the oscilloscope 🙄

[@valdiskrebs566]

whoozl what I like about the Model D iOS app is I can I have 3 instances of Model D running for a lot less than 3 Behringer Ds... even if you have to buy a new iPad! Plus I also have Moog Model 15, Korg Mono/Poly, Arp iOdyssey. With one or more MIDI controllers and the AUM app, and the free iOS GarageBand DAW you have an amazing exploration and production(MP3s) environment.

[@deltavaudio6323]

I have the modelD app and I love it. But I dream of having the real thing one day.................

[@rabbit_noize]

Mark Watt so do I, but...I’ve owned different analog synths over the last years and sold most of them because of their iOS versions, they sounded pretty much the same! I’m not sure if I could look at a minimoog on my desk thinking of it’s price and knowing I’ve got its sound in an iPad haha

[@jzno]

HAH! My Son and me were both saying 2 is analogue! It’s REAAALLY CLOSE to the original :-)

[@foodstampz]

Due to the coronavirus outbreak the Model D ios is currently Free !! Get it while its hits

[@experiment0003]

I can't tell the difference. I'm terribly sorry! 😞

[@mark-yj5sg]

Sounds close enough to pass itself off as the genuine article

[@minoanlight4545]

I guessed first test right, second I was clueless.

[@SPAZZOID100]

VST’s last about 6 years. Hardware? A lifetime.

[@JakobHaq]

Could you elaborate on that? Feel free to be more specific about why you feel this way. Everyone has opinions but it’s the reasoning behind them that are the most interesting! 👍🏼

[@RoomAtTheTopStudio]

Technically speaking if you don't update your computer and it stays on that computer then the software will last longer than 6 years. I still have Sonar 8.5 and Reason 5 on my Windows system and they are both around 10 years old now. I didn't bother upgrading them as I was content to use them as they were up until my Windows system needed a clean and I moved to Mac. I have old projects that I grab from the old system and sometimes edit. Now it's an option if I feel nostalgic.

[@lowlowseesee]

@@RoomAtTheTopStudio all that stuff doesnt matter though because after you upgrade again and again and again its still 90% cheaper than the hardware lol. not knocking the hardward, its amazing. but the pricetag is out of most peoples range

[@RoomAtTheTopStudio]

@@lowlowseesee hardware holds a value. Plugins don't. A balance of both is the best way IMO and choose hardware and software carefully.

[@avance1980]

The app is cleaner

[@epicon6]

I guessed wrong

[@K-MoBeatz]

You look like Afu-Ra.

[@mrteroo8953]

Too much talking. You like the sound of your own voice too much.