Moog's new Minimoog Model D Release - Why You REALLY Don't Need It! ⛔😲

[@skyko]

Very comprehensive and accurate assessment. This is an awesome resource for the younger folk that may get "fooled" into believing that brand names are the only option, great job on this! I own a Studio Electronics SE3X and the bass sound is UNREAL!

[@IanWaugh]

Thank you so much. Yes, I think a mystique has developed around some synths and newcomers can be fooled into thinking they really need such-and-such a synth. An SE - WWow! 😲

[@pankaburek59]

Delete 3 and then 💀💀💀

[@TheMrFinalizer]

With all you respect, you're telling people what they want to hear and you are making them happy. Thats real good. But, as owner of Moog D reissue and also all vsts of Minimoog I'll tell you that, in details, they are NOT SOUNDING SAME, they are sounding similar. Buying real Moog is not about buying SOUND, it is about buying your vision as an artist. If you're vision is an artist who is using Moog for your music expression, buy it. If not, don't buy it. I mostly using VST of Moog for the projects, but if I need using real Moog D, there is no equivalent, and as I said VST are not helping get real sound of Moog. Try, you will understand me.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Thanks for your Comment. I'm not trying to change your opinion 😊 I know there are Moog fans who love the real thing and that's fine but many people, particularly beginners, think they have to get a real Moog to get the Moog sound. If the real thing inspires you - great, we all need inspiration - but it's not necessary. Not my opinion, I'm simply reporting what other KZbinrs have found in various comparisons and tests. Put the sound in a mix and no listener will know where it came from and fewer will care. There are many reasons for buying a Minimoog but the sound isn't one of them.

[@TheMrFinalizer]

@@IanWaugh It is not about being Moog fan or not. Im not sure if Im fan of Moog, really. Im more fan of Roland probably. Also I hate fan noise of Moog One, they should not release synth with fan noise. I just love synths, no matter if vsts or hardware. But real comparison depends deeply what sound you're playing in context, what composition or sequence. Great job btw with this movie!

[@IanWaugh]

@@TheMrFinalizer Thank you 😊

[@VerreyckenGerd]

Only people who build such instruments will understand the price... It is hard to compare a robot pick n placed SMT assembly with a hand built jewel like the D. The 2016 D run was stopped because it wasn't making any money. With the vintage and second hand D prices rising another production run at a higher price is justified once again. I luckily bought one in 2016 and it is totally worth every €. You need to own and gel with one to understand it I guess. The Behringer/SE, I tried and owned them all and they just don't do that sound. And it is more that that filter, it is how VCO frequencies go far into the ultra sonic and interpolate with each other to create a lot of richness, the overdrive characteristics of the VCA, the quality of the selected THT components...It's like saying nobody needs a real 303 or FEnder custom shop strat, just go with the squire. I wish more people invested and supported synth builds like these. They are made to be serviced for generations to enjoy...A true green product. Personally I will buy every synth made to the old original THT standard and banned modern built stuff from my studio as much as possible.

[@IanWaugh]

Yes, you probably need to get your hands on one to fall in love with it 😊 It's good to have a choice 👍

[@christopherklein4203]

Excellent point about the Squire Strat and the custom shop Strat . That’s a perfect example. No one think they would need a custom shop guiyar until they actually try one in person. You can play both through a recording and no one is really going to tell the difference but the inspiration the custom shop might give you over the other you can’t put a price on. The playability and feel on that instrument over the other you might write something you would never even try on the other clone instrument. And this goes both ways obviously. So it’s ALWAYS subjective. I’ve recorded with fucked up guitar where the pickups squeal with distortion on and it inspired me to record parts with that dirty squeal type sound that i wouldn’t be able to get with my more expensive guitars. Every guitar, Bass, amp, Synth, pedal is gonna influence you differently. If the Poly D came out before the Model D maybe some would say the Model D is worse version, or maybe some ppl would still like the Model D more so and feel more inspired. a clone is a clone for a reason and it’s not going to replace the original thing. I remember taking my Fender Jazzmaster to a recording session and our other guitarist/keyboard played played a solo on my Jazzmaster that he said forced him to play so different than his Gibson RD standard and he loved where the instrument took his playing.. he was so inspired by my Jazzmaster that he got his own Jazzmaster and it’s been one of his main guitars since. He said it makes him feel like he’s playing piano on a guitar cause of the attack of the instrument and he loves the Jazzmaster style pickups. It’s all about what inspires you to actually play, or write. But to say why “you” really don’t need a Model D is and then uses other Yourubers opinion to back your opinion is kinda strange. Cause there’s also other yourubers that have videos on the same topic and feel differently. The title should be why “I” don’t need a Minimoog Model D… because I have a Poly D and have two of the Behringer Model D’s and still felt like I needed to get a Model D since my 2016 one broke down and I couldn’t get it fixed and have been hoping they would bring it back ever since they stopped production. So glad they brought it back and now I can get that same feeling writing on that instrument that I use to. That my Voyager and Moog one just couldn’t cover IMO.

[@vaiman7777]

I just bought a 2016 reissue this week. It's glorious. I own numerous synths and 2 other Moogs. The UAD vst was the closest as a side note. My Matriarch isn't really anywhere close, but it's got a totally different sound that I love. The B wasn't even close knob for knob, it can get closer if you tweak it with tweezers lol. I get the price barrier, and it's real. My bank account agrees. But 3 people have played on it this week. Everyone plays a few notes... twists some knobs... then just looks at me and smiles. No words required. I'm just glad I grabbed one the week when they sadly went down the pan I fear.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - It's great that you and your friends like it 👍 It's important to enjoy your gear and that it inspires creativity.

[@vaiman7777]

@@IanWaugh This is it isn't it. If it brings you joy, then there's no wrong choice. I look at my mates cars, and to me they're just faster versions of mine. But the dude smiles like a Cheshire cat every time he pulls up outside studio.

[@IanWaugh]

@@vaiman7777 That;s it absolutely 👍 I'm glad I'm not a car person 😊

[@generoley]

Hi Ian. The Minimoog is the instrument that hooked me on synthesizers when I was a teenager in the 1970's and when I look at mine, my heart melts with warm nostalgia. It was so much fun to spin the knobs, experiment, and be amazed at some of the sounds that came out. Ok... Earth to Gene... back to the present... I still like to spin knobs and experiment with sounds and I find that instruments like the Hydrasynth and Omnisphere ( and myriad others ) can produce amazingly complex and evolving sounds that the Minimoog just can't do. Plus, when I do come up with a patch that I really like, it's nice to press the "save" button. So... I agree with you. Most people will get much more bang for their buck with the newer synths on the market. I will always love the Minimoog and it makes me a little sad to say that, but it's true. Great video topic Ian.

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Gene - Thank you very much. Yes, I totally agree about knob spinning. There is a connection between man and machine that you really can't duplicate in software. Also like to save patches. I was hooked on the Moog modular systems. Loved the Minimoog but couldn't afford one of them either 😢 I think many re-issues play on the nostalgia factor - but nostalgia ain't what is used to be 😄

[@IanWaugh]

@@John-e4p1x Ain't that the truth! 😄

[@mwmusic29]

Great video, Ian! I've been wondering whether this reissue makes sense for anyone given the options out there today. I'm sure there are folks who will use the Minimoog to great effect though, and I wish them all the best! :)

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Matt - Thank you very much. It makes sense for Moog financially and there are collectors and musicians who want a 'real' Minimoog. It also sorta crashes the 2nd-hand market 😄 And it'' stay in tune 😊

[@LuisTorres-qz5kr]

Great points & insights! I am happy with my Matriarch and Arturia V-collection (Mini V3).

[@IanWaugh]

Thank you, Luis. Yes, I don't think anyone actually NEEDS a Minimoog 😄

[@SuperheroJunior]

​@@IanWaugh Why spend thousands of dollars for an iconic synthesizer when you can get something that has the same sounds for a cheaper price?

[@IanWaugh]

@@SuperheroJunior That's what I think 👍

[@anonymoushuman8344]

An authentic, new Minimoog with dedicated LFO, aftertouch, and MIDI would be very nice. If price were no object I'd get one. And a Matriarch, too. The Arturia Mini V is awesome. As is their Modular V, which was made with Bob Moog's blessing.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Yes, I think the big advantage of these things is being able to twiddle the controls. Moog is pricing itself out of the market. I have a Grandmother which is great but at the high end of VFM. If you just want the sounds the software is great 😊

[@blipmusik]

The Mini is so friendly for aging eyes. Not may other synths have such clear, big labeling and font. There is also AJH which is really great. But I do like my writing to cater to my crappy eyesight. That is why I am struggling with Eurorack and just admire the Minimoog...

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Yes, agree. I also have poor eyesight so I look at gear I can use rather than stuff I'd really like. Narrows choice a bit 😊

[@paolopaioli601]

Thanks for sharing Ian, always love your videos.

[@IanWaugh]

Thank you, Paulo, that's very kind and musc appreciated. Really glad you liked it 👍

[@mack_solo]

For the Moog fans "It's a 50 year old monosynth" advertising campaign would probably still work 😄. For me Boog Model D is fine as it is. And if you think UK prices were bad, here at the bottom of the pacific it was on special - for an equivalent of 6350 USD 😆 However I do appreciate the fact that if one wants something, it does not particularly matter what it is or how little sense it makes to anyone else, and so the price is not a primary concern, or, in some cases, it adds to the perceived prestige of the item. And if you take the historical inflation into account, $5000 is still half price of what it was originally - so it's a good deal 😃😄

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Mack - $6350 - Ouch! 😲 It's a weird one this. It's not really being sold as a synth but as a piece of history, cleverly priced by Moog to undercut the 2nd-hand market. Because of the hype, some synth beginners may think you really need one of these to be a 'proper' synthesist or get a genuine Moog sound. Neither is true 😊

[@thesimulations8900]

I look at this the same as I look at a custom shop guitar. If you want it and you can afford $5000 then buy it. If you can't buy a behringer or a squier. We live a great time where there is awesome gear for nearly every budget. If you can't afford it, don't bitch and whine it's just reality. Some have more income than others. Sucks but true. Don't get me started on vintage prices of things. Makes this seem like a bargain. Taken for inflation the original price of a mini would now be about $11,000. $5000 is not bad.

[@IanWaugh]

A good approach 👍

[@robertoraineriseith]

A very personal analysis that will make all fans of vst and budget Chinese products such as Behringer happy, but which does not take into account some fundamental aspects: the Minimoog is not only its sound but also its feel, the construction quality, the exceptional ergonomics of the instrument and, above all, its identity and historical importance, which can only be that specific of the original instrument, within the music of the last 50 years. It is also these elements, in addition to the fact that it is built entirely by hand, in THT and in the United States, that justify a cost that is no higher than that of a used car and that represents, unlike its imitations, an investment for life. As far as the sound is concerned, as a former owner of 5 different Minis, I have great reservations about the idea that the various imitations (because in the end they are mere imitations) can even come close to the original instrument under conditions of critical and prepared listening. The fact that the original circuitry has been retained (in particular with the adoption of the second board, which is the best) is an absolutely correct and coherent choice. Personally, I would not even have introduced the new elements such as Midi, aftertouch and others, but I would have re-proposed the instrument 1:1 like the original.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Roberto - Thanks for your comment. I don't think my assessment is any more personal than yours 😊 but our little music industry is large enough to accommodate all points of view. This video was mainly concerned with the sound and while I doubt anyone would say other systmes are 100% identical, tests (by other reknowned KZbinrs) suggest there is not much in it and even those who own a Minimoog are unable to tell the difference. I think this is worth pointing out for beginners who are lead to believe that they must buy a Mini to get the Moog sound. Of course, all the other aspects you mention about the Minimoog are true and valid. Yes, there are many reasons for buying a Minimoog but the sound isn't one of them 😊

[@JoseVGavila]

Hi Ian, nice video with good thoughts. And you are getting close to 1k subscribers, congratulations! And, BTW, I also use Arturia Mini V3

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Jose - Thank you. Yes, the Mini V get close enough to the Minimoog for me, to👍 o 1K - Eek! 😲

[@daze1945]

I totally agree Ian. Now I have played and love the mini Moog. When people talk about the sound of the mini what they really mean is that "Moog" which basically comes from the 24db ladder network filter. Which in its day was the best there was. Other than nostalgic worship why would anyone pay £5000 for a monophonic synth that can't even save preset sounds? As for replicating the mini sound in software, of course it can be done. It just depends on the programmers skill and desire to perfect it. The reality today is that any instrument will be fed into a mixer and converted to digital format and played with in a production DAW so the total accuracy of the original sound becomes irrelevant within a mix. Reproduction accuracy is really only paramount with mechanical and soloing instruments such as piano, violin saxophone guitar etc.where the instrument itself and the skill of the musician is the key to the sound. a synthesiser does not really require these parameters. In fact isn't the point of a synth to create new and exiting sounds for the music? 😅

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Daze - Thanks for your super comment. Yes to all you say. I think sometimes we get lost in nostalgia 😄

[@Sicolirics]

also have skillful fingers 😁

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

this is why I like the Moog Sub 37 better and went with the new Oberheim OB X8 that has poly analog synth 8 voices and can create and save presets. Absolutely smokes the overpriced mini Moog D reissue.

[@IanWaugh]

@@GuitarsAndSynths Awesome! You've got it all covered 👍

[@shane864]

Man if you don't understand synth prices wait until you look up literally any other object on earth and check the prices of the legends. Synthesizers are piss cheap compared to basically anything else.

[@synthseeker]

Well said! Very concise explanation without any ranting. 😊

[@IanWaugh]

Thank you, Luke. I know you love yours and I'm not trying to take anything away from that - just pointing out that there are alternatives 😊 Actually enjoying your min series on it 👍

[@synthseeker]

All good. I might make one more video but it’s not a series for sure. I think everyone should explore the minimoog architecture and understand it’s potential and limitations. It’s a good platform both to learn synthesis but also get some experience working around a synths limitations. Carry on sir. :)

[@IanWaugh]

@@synthseeker 😊 Thank you kindly.

[@MFitz12]

You need oxygen, food, water and sleep. Everything else is a want. It's OK to want.

[@IanWaugh]

Very philosophical but yes, that's about it 😊

[@rupertgillies447]

Have you played it?

[@IanWaugh]

Nope 😊 And i can see where you're going with this 😄 Just saying there are alternatives if you don't want to pay that much or can't afford it.

[@eventualinfinity3862]

Fantastic analysis and great presentation. You have a new subscriber! :)

[@IanWaugh]

Thank you soooo much for the kind words and the sub 👍 Both really appreciated and I hope you find more videos here that you enjoy.

[@PiesliceProductions]

It`s an investment if you absolutely positively want to own a Mini. If you can afford the upfront cost I doubt it will not lose value over time. 2016 reissues range between €8k to €13k and vintage ones will cost anything up from €9k. If you just want some Moog sound you can have Matriarch, m32 and DFAM at around same price as a single Mini

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Yes, indeed, but then it's not a synth, it's a collectable 😊 With this release Moog has undercut the 2nd-hand market. Who would want to pay $6-10K for an old synth they can now buy for less? 😄 Moog could re-release it again in 5 years at $4K and do it again. Yes, unlikely I know 😄😄

[@unisonosc1617]

not anymore, regularly selling on reverb for under $3500 USD including shipping.

[@michaelhonormusic]

Why Moog did not update the mini-moog synthesizer is puzzling to me?

[@IanWaugh]

They tweaked it a bit but it's essentially the same as the 1970 model - only it should stay in tune better 😊 Best guess is that they didn't update it so it would appeal more to vintage fans who are more likely to pay the price than musicians simply looking for a good mono synth.

[@michaelhonormusic]

@@IanWaugh Its more a collection item then a instrument 😂

[@IanWaugh]

@@michaelhonormusic It will certainly appeal to synth collectors 👍

[@bob-rogers]

They did that already -- it's called the Minimoog Voyager. They were in production from 2002 to 2015, which was actually a longer production run (and more units made) than the original.

[@xprophet9]

It’s a great handmade instrument and I can afford one. The new Oberheim is light years beyond any plugin. If you are poor, don’t get pissed at these instruments. Have you priced a 58 Les Paul? Is the tone worth a half million?

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Jeff - Thanks for your comment. I guess if you had half a million you'd also buy the Les Paul 😊 But I'm simply talking about the Minimoog, not the OB and not a guitar. It's great that our music community can support all tastes, preferences and pockets 👍

[@andreasoberg2021]

Great video. It is very very beautiful and I want to play it but yes it seems limited. Not being able to save patches is not great. Mono also feels limiting. But beatiful it is :)

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Andreas - Yes, it looks great but that's essentially what you're payingfor 😄

[@caifothiazz]

I have a new Boog - Behringer Model D, and I am very happy for that sound.

[@IanWaugh]

Great sound, great price 👍

[@socratespacheco]

Have you seen the price of the old moogerfoogers this price for the minimoog make sense

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Price is what people are prepared to pay 😊 Which is not to say it represents good value.

[@dwmilo]

Behringer steels companies designs and makes them in China for cheap parts and labour and hurts innovative companies such as Moog. I own a Matriarch and Sub 37. I love them both. But the Minimoog Model D has a pretty different sound. Yes 5k is a hefty price. I’m not justifying it but you are supporting USA made when you buy any Moog. The Minimoog sound is just something else. It’s stunning. The software instruments only get you part of the way. There are guitars and trumpets and violins etc…that cost much more.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Thank you for your comment. Not sure we're going to agree on this one but that's ok 😊

[@silvertongues2]

I have many other MiniMoog derivative synths, a Sirin, an MG1, Subharmonicon, Mother32, and Behringer Model D and I'd still quite like a Model D because at the end of the day, this is what they're all aspiring to be. I might as well cut to the chase..... I'm also a keyboard player, so appreciate the form factor of a real keyboard. The only extra feature I would like is OSC sync like on the SE Midimini.... So for me, the decision is really between a Voyager, Model D reissue or a Midimini maybe.

[@IanWaugh]

A real keyboard is nice. The SE stuff is really cool 👍

[@Ni5ei]

2:48 You seriously still don't know US prices are without VAT and the UK price includes 20% VAT?

[@IanWaugh]

Er, yes, I seriously do... 😊

[@Ni5ei]

@@IanWaugh Well now you know 😉

[@IanWaugh]

@@Ni5ei What I didn't know was what your point was...😊

[@Ni5ei]

@@IanWaugh My point was you were saying UK customers have to pay more than just converting US $ to UK £ Well yes, UK adds 20% VAT.

[@IanWaugh]

@@Ni5ei Ah... 😊 It's not as simple as that. Otherwise all UK prices would be $>£ conversion + 20%.

[@jean-lucpicard581]

I have a Behringer Model D and it's really a good copy of the original. Costs only 300 bucks.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Yes it is, and a reasonable price, too 😊

[@jean-lucpicard581]

@@IanWaugh The thing is that I wouldn't even buy one of the rare vintage synths if I would have millions bec. I'm no musician. I think those things should be used by real musicians and not "collected" by noobs like me XD.

[@IanWaugh]

@@jean-lucpicard581 Well, if you can use a Model D you can use a Minimoog 😊

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

I bought an Oberheim OB X8 instead since wanted poly analog synth and already have Moog Sub 37 that gets me the Moog sound for way less.

[@IanWaugh]

Nice 👍 I like the Sub 37 - lots of knobs to twiddle and presets.

[@iantanner7579]

So I could get this, or for the same money,.. an ARP 2600m Arturia Minifreak Pulsar-23 Korg MS20fs - and still have enough money left over for a Boog Model D Personally, I've had a lot of issues regarding Moog's quality control over the last few years, - and I wonder if they'll ship these units out in the same cereal box packaging they used for the Grandmother?

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Ian - Er, yes 😄 Heard a few comments about Moog reliability - 'hand-built' is not necessarily more reliable than 100% repeatable robotic assembly. My Grandmother box seemed OK but I guess it also depends on delivery - DHS could probably wreck a titanium block 😄 Hope whatever you get arrives safely 👍

[@Musik_Arbeiter]

I appreciate the concise and well articulated points. You made a lot of good points about the price, analyzed other KZbinr opinions/test reviews of it, and gave comparable options. I love the classic Moog synths and their sound, I just can't agree with or justify $5,000 for a recreation of the Minimoog. Companies/corporations seem to be hopping on the bandwagon of reselling old iconic ideas through nostalgia and upping the price for it making these items unreasonable within modern standards and prices. Simply throwing terms in their as you pointed out such as "Iconic" "Legendary" etc. I don't feel these things justify the price. Thank you for the well made video citing other channels in your examples, giving good alternate choices for gear, and expressing your opinions in a logical manner! 😄👍

[@IanWaugh]

Thank you very much for your kind comments, very much appreciated. So glad you liked the video.

[@xprophet9]

1500 in 1979 is equivalent to over 11 grand today. WTF? Do you understand economics?

[@IanWaugh]

@@xprophet9 Hey Jeff - I'm not an economist but yes, broadly 😊 If you want to go down the inflation route, you need also to consider other factors such as wages and disposable income. Contrary to popular belief, inflation comes nowhere near to telling the whole story. Also, the relative price of technology was much higher back then.

[@MFitz12]

Adjusted for inflation, the new MM reissue is right about the same price as the 2016 reissue and several thousand dollars LESS than what a new original MM would have set you back in say 1977.

[@IanWaugh]

@@MFitz12 You might find this interesting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIO5c4x-rsR3nac

[@eladreltuc]

I'm still swirling back and forth from wanting to buy the new mini then not wanting to. I own a matriarch and I've watched some videos where the can get very similar sound.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Dale - I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat which is why I made the video. I'm probably not the best person to ask for advice 😱 but I'd just say don't buy it for the sound. Buy it coz it's fun to play, because it looks great, to support Moog, to have a bit of synth history, but not to use the sound in a recording. Just my opinion, of course...

[@eladreltuc]

@@IanWaugh thank you for the reply. For sure. I forgot to mention the reason I would like to buy it is because it just seems like it would really be a lot of fun to mess around with and it's iconic status. I think if I am to buy it I will use it for half a year and see if I jive with it. If not it should be easy enough to sell for close to what I paid for it. So maybe I should say I may be renting one later this year and seeing if I'm going to keep it lol. If you get a chance search Dale Cutler music on KZbin and I have a channel where I do a ton of stuff with my synth gear. Cheers my friend!

[@IanWaugh]

@@eladreltuc Hi Dale - Good luck, hope you enjoy it. Let me know what you decide to do in 6 month's time 😊 Think I found your channel - the backwards 'R' fooled my screen reader. Will check it out 👍

[@mattdelany6799]

Using his logic, why would you buy a tube amp? That’s 72 year old technology. Would you say that to Jimi Hendrix? I own 3 minimoogs, 1973, 1974, and a walnut reissue.

[@IanWaugh]

Hello again 😊 It's not a question of 'old tech' it's about bringing it up to date and at a reasonable price. Sure, get a tube amp but don't get one that's 72 years old 😄 Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - I've love to chat to Jimi but, alas, he is no longer with us 😢 You have 3 Minimoogs - that's great. Just saying there are very viable alternatives.

[@michaelhonormusic]

I very happy with my Behringer Model-D 🙂

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Michael - Awesome! 👍

[@neilloughran4437]

Matriarch is 1/3rd of the price of the Minimoog reissue over here in Norway.... bloody bonkers price!

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Neil - Yep, the synth world has gone mad! 😱

[@singechamberlain2967]

Great video. I think they have missed a trick here. They could have sold it for around £2000 and everyone would have bought one, but £5K makes no sense. For not a lot more you could get a Moog One which is about 10 times better. I was truly excited until you mentioned the price. Back to my cheap cheery audio minimode - which, co-incidentally, sound exactly the same.

[@IanWaugh]

🤣 Thank you very much. Yes, that's the point - even the afficionados can't tell the difference. I think it's all wrapped up in finance, the loyalty of Moog fans and the price of 2nd-hand ones... But it's also nice to get hand-on - but at what price?

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

To Me the Arturia mini V sounds almost identical, I have tested this buy copying patches off of videos of real Minimoog videos and guess what I copied the patches very easily and they sound the same. I have a Behringer Monopoly and did the same from videos of the original Korg Mono Poly and it sounds the same so have no doubt the same is true for there Poly D.

[@IanWaugh]

Good to hear. That confirms what Mark and Starsky found 👍

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@IanWaugh Yes I have seen all of Starskys vids on Moog, Behringer and plugins.

[@IanWaugh]

@@HOLLASOUNDS 👍

[@JorgeLetria]

I love moog and the minimoog is indeed an iconic instrument... with that said, 5K for a 60 yr old circuit in a pretty wood and leather box is a bit obscene. I guess it's like a rolex - it's a luxury item for a very specific niche crowd, not really an instrument anyone would buy for any practical reason.

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Jorge - Yes, I think that's about it. There are many reasons for wanting one but the sound isn't one of them 😊

[@LA7Rose]

I’ll never spend 5k on an instrument, I got the cherry audio equivalent tho for $40 👍

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Luke - Yes, some synths costa lota $o$$y 😱 Software is far more affordable and more versatile. Have fun 😊

[@socratespacheco]

It’s either this or the obx8

[@IanWaugh]

Buy software versions of both 👍

[@ohheyitskevinc]

For $5000, buy two Moog Matriarchs, sync them up and you’ve got 8 oscillators (or 10 if you use the LFO) :) may have some money left for a “boog” (behringer model d) :)

[@IanWaugh]

So true. I think you could also get about 19 Boogs although I thinjk you can only polychain 16. Or just buy one or a soft synth and have jolly good holiday 😊

[@couchcamperTM]

my Behringer Model D sounds like a Minimoog, lab tested ;-)

[@IanWaugh]

Exactly 😊 It's a super piece of gear 👍

[@unisonosc1617]

I get the Model D is a iconic instrument for many, but the fact it lacks PWM and sync kills it for me. Even manual PWM like the MS-20 would have been just fine.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Yes, iconic, but 50-year old design and they could have added so many enhancements.

[@SěmtêxČØŴv2.0]

V collection £250 right now in sales. £250 for virtually every dream synth ever. But then if the lotto numbers came up…….MiniMoog sounds so beautiful 😂

[@IanWaugh]

Yes, absolutely great deal although it is really nice to have hands-on controls. I think many of us dream of winning the lottery - or fame and fortune. Both equally likely 😄

[@SěmtêxČØŴv2.0]

@@IanWaugh no just the lotto will do fine, fames over rated and short lived.

[@IanWaugh]

@@SěmtêxČØŴv2.0 🤣

[@PunguinYoga]

@@SěmtêxČØŴv2.0 About fame: I think Michael Jordan once said something like, "I just wish I could go to the mall."

[@SěmtêxČØŴv2.0]

@@PunguinYoga exactly, fame is wanted until it’s achieved

[@PeterPrism]

Nothing about Model D original Moog ios app? The smartest way IMHO, in a mix u can’t ABSOLUTELY distinguish until u use polyphonic 😀!!!

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Peter - You're absolutely right. I can no longer use an iPad and it totally slipped my memory - Great choice! 👍

[@MaximilianoSchneider]

Great video! The minimoog it's a beautiful instrument but the price is just crazy. With that money you can buy a Prophet 6/ OB-6 and a System 8, or any other combination of much more powerful modern synths than the mini, with thousands of sounds and possibilities and a full integration with any DAW, polyphony and so many other things, in comparison with a monophonic synth with similar analog clones for less than $ 500, like the Roland SE-02 and the Behringer Model D. Selling a minimoog for less than 3k would be the point where people like me will give it a try, only because it's a classic and even when might be collecting dust for years because of its limitation for modern day music production. Moog is taking the opportunity to make a lot of money with this reissue and it's not worth it at all and it's not unique today. We have a lot of synths capable of having that sound and you can save all your presets. Spending hours making a sound to lose it when you move a knob it's just crazy and that's one of the main reasons to not buy a synth like this IMO. Thanks for the video!

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Max - Thank you very much. A few folks seem to disagree about the similarities of the sound which I find strange but you sum up my point of view very well 👍

[@MaximilianoSchneider]

@@IanWaugh But even if the sound is not 100% the same, I think the most important thing is what you can do with a musical instrument, and clearly modern synthesizers are more capable of doing amazing things than the old ones. There´s the fun factor of course, and playing a minimoog sounds fun because it's pretty easy to make sounds, but you can have fun with less money :P I played a minimoog in the 90s. It was super cheap because nobody wanted an old synth that takes minutes to warm up, it's hard to keep in tune and it won't save any preset. It was impossible for a minimoog to compete with a Korg M1 or a DX7, D-50 and so many others. It's unbelievable to see how much people are paying today for something that people never wanted, 30 years ago, and something produced right now, probably with cheap components and laborship. Moog can't sell their things at Behringer´s price of course, but how can Korg sell their analog reissues at half or less than a minimoog?

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Max - A few issues here 😊 As I think the video demonstrated, even if the sounds are not 100% identical, no one can tell the difference - and I doubt anyone listening to music produced with it would care. I am continually amazed at the price of old synths - it can only be some sort of nostalgic effect or newbies being brainwashed into believing that the only good synth is an old synth 😄 As for prices... Moog priced it to undercut the 2nd-hand market. Goods are rarely priced at what they are worth - companies charge what they think they can get away with 😊

[@jackcimino8822]

Just get the UAD Minimoog emulation, which is $60 this month!

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Jack - Yes, there are a lot of great software options 👍

[@vaiman7777]

Fwiw, I done an A/B with my new Minimoog and UAD was the closet. Some weren't even like it at all :O

[@jackcimino8822]

My only issue with the UAD Moog is that the pitch range is limited to the original keybed. As for polyphony, that's what the Bitwig container is for ;)

[@IanWaugh]

@@vaiman7777 Thank you for the info. Yes, that does get good reviews 👍

[@IanWaugh]

@@jackcimino8822 That's odd. Another benefit of software is that it can easily be polyphonic 😊

[@lsjanca]

I'll stick with my Poly D, more than happy. I also have software but prefer hardware.

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Larry - Yes, hands-on is more fun and often easier 👍

[@von_Apa]

I was going to buy the new Oberheim but changed my mind when I realised how good plugins could deliver very,very similar sounds. And I guess that goes for this new Moog as well.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Yes, I think so. One of the main advantages of hardware is that you get hands-on controls. You can get this to an extent with MIDI controllers but if this doesn't bother you software is going to be more versatile and cheaper 👍

[@oscarvanderburgh9915]

@@IanWaugh well! There is one advantage to hardware to software. In software you kind of always want to sound like the real thing. To a certain degree that is very much possible. Until you bump into the digital boundaries. There is nothing like analog fm; and digital will never touch it. And that’s what I love about analog gear. You can go into territory digital can’t

[@IanWaugh]

@@oscarvanderburgh9915 Well, as long as you're happy with what you're using... 👍

[@final_mile_music9713]

I have lots of great software. Lots of it does things hardware does not. Like my Output stuff. But the software emulations of my hardwear get nowhere near in terms of sound. It’s not even close. Moog One, Prophet 10, Polybrute, Pro 3 SE, Moog Grandmother, DFAM, Mother 32. All of them are massively better than any of my soft wear at what they do.

[@IanWaugh]

@@final_mile_music9713 Interesting. I like getting hands-on with hardware which you can't really do with soft synths.

[@christopherklein4203]

So essentially what you’re saying is no one needs ANY expensive “real thing” type instrument. What you’re talking about is basically the same thing like with a guitar. A Squier Stratocaster can be recorded and a custom shop Strat you can use the same amp and effects etc and it’s going to be impossible to tell the difference most likely. But the FEEL.. playing it in person. The slight difference in and sustain you can feel it in person. Playing the instrument and the ever so slight difference in sound which is gonna make you be more inspired to play one over the other. Or you might be more inspired with the cheaper clone. Everyone is difference. But to say you really don’t NEED a Minimoog is a duh statement for anyone who knows better. The great player will make any instrument sound good. But like I said, the feel, quality, every so slight difference in sound if it’s a 3 to 5% difference is gonna make a ton a difference for a lot of musicians. I just think hearing two recordings of two synths and trying to tell the difference through a DAW is not the right way to decide whether you would need or want one. You have to try a real Minimoog and and Poly D, or whatever synth and make up your mind. There’s definitely a pretty big difference in the Moog Voyager, Moog One and the Model D imo. Even a Poly D compared to a real Model D, there’s a slight resonance and harshness difference. The filter sweep and noise source sounds a little difference. I still love the Poly D tho and they both make me play difference and write different stuff. Just like my Squier Jazzmaster compared to my American 62 reissue guitar inspires me and I notice all the little nuances between the two and the feel is much different. This same thing can apply to amps, pedals etc… but to say the sound through a recording is what it’s about and not being able to tell a difference. Than sure if that’s what you value and you’re only using these instruments for recording. But I think the feel is always going to be more important than the actually sound since it’s going to be so close anyways in a band mix. I personally use the Poly D in live settings because I know it’s close enough. But I only ever write parts on my model D cause it inspires me different than the Poly D, Voyager, Moog one, Prophet 10, etc… overall this is a informative video for beginners, but incomplete because they would need to play it in person to really see the difference and sweep the filter and all that to see what is going on with both of those synths.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Christopher - Thanks for your Comment. I think I addressed your points in the video including the physicallity. You need to be pretty adept to respond to slight differences and, as you say, the video is mostly for beginners. I'm just saying there are many reasons to buy a Minimmog but the sounds isn't one of them and I think you agreed with that 😊

[@dannyanalog4423]

For me is the price for the reissue redicueless but a vst plug in dont have the power of a real Moog sound, i remeber i used years ago the arturia plug in but when the Moog LP came out i bought it and that was so difference like day and night from the sound quality but paying 6000€ for the reissue, never!!! The Boog gives you the same Analog powerfull Basssound for 300€ you don't need software for having the model d sound, big thanks to ulli behringer .

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Danny - Exactly! Glad you got sorted with your own Moog sound 👍

[@sunnypedaal]

I’d suggest to try an older minimoog, prefereable with a lower serial and well maintained. And then rewrite this review most probably. There is more in a name (and sound) than the usual chitchat .🌞 I’m not so impressed by any minimoog clone ( incl the reissues and boogs ) so far .

[@IanWaugh]

A few people think there's nothing like a genuine Minimoog and that's fine 😊 I know many composers who are very happy with alternatives and all I'm saying is you don't NEED an original.

[@johnhawranick8097]

Spot on, Ian! Nothing more needs to be said 🙂

[@IanWaugh]

Thank you, John. I agree but I suspect more will... 😄

[@ME-ru4hv]

Not true in my experience. I've owned at least 10 analogue synths and the most present and powerful and pleasing to the ear were the 70's ARP Odyssey and the Minimoog (and also things like the Arp SE-IV or a Vox Continental) these all have fat rail specs and power ratings. You can look it up. There is a reason the best sounding stuff in all categories are more $$. Not everyone can, or is willing, to hear it, perhaps. Just like some people are not willing to hear that the EMI curve bender is worth the cash or is particularly special. But yes, it is. Also why are we talking about how these synths sound over internet? Dead in the water. My opinion of the MM is based on in person experience and in studio results, speaker-to-ear. But thanks for the platform to respectfully object! : )) . I just wanted to share that with you

[@IanWaugh]

Hi - Thank you for your respectful comment. Much appreciated as not all are 😊 However, it;s good to hear all points of view. Take the point about hearing them live. Maybe Mark's results would have been different in a live test.

[@steve03au]

I own two Minimoogs and a Voyager and a SE1 and SE02. Each is slightly different. I think it's a bit disingenuous to decry the minimoog pricing when you don't own one yourself, then use other youtuber's videos as your "evidence" that there are viable substitutes. It may be hard to justify the price of a real one, But clearly not for those buying the reissues. They want that look-feel. The quality remains long after the price is forgotten.

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Steve - I totally accept that there are good people like yourself who love and want a Minimoog for the reasons you describe. 👍 This video was just to point out that you don't NEED one to get a Minimoog sound. I don't think I was being disingenuous - I pointed to other videos to prove that I am not alone in this. But totally understand why you might want the real thing 😊

[@steve03au]

@@IanWaugh it's a puff piece. Once reviewers don''t own the subject of the review, it distorts perceptions. Which means that it's disingenuous, and not didactic.

[@IanWaugh]

​@@steve03au Well, it wasn't a review 😊 I'm simply saying you don't need a Minimoog to get a Minimoog sound...

[@PunguinYoga]

Monophonic??? You're kidding! I have six small synths but I have no music training. I accidentally bought a monophonic synth and almost never use it. It may be a fine machine. But I prefer polyphonic.

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Steve - Yes, you can sorta get more sound from a poly but I also think monos have their place. I have a Moog Grandmother which is great. What mono did you get?

[@PunguinYoga]

@@IanWaugh Arturia MiniBrute 2. I had extra money because of the COVID-era stimulus payments over here in the States. I was so impressed by the tiny MicroFreak, I bought the MiniBrute after doing almost no research. I haven't scratched the surface of what I can do with any of my synths. I'm 70 and reading manuals just doesn't appeal to me right now. I know I'll be happy I did once I do study some. I have zero musical training so most of what I produce sounds like amateurish ambient. Thanks for the thought-provoking video. By the way, the only synth I had technical problems with was a $1600 Rev 2. It would turn off for no reason. I sent for a replacement. It did the same thing! So I bought another brand. But I have to say the retailer was great. They refunded every dime I paid including the original shipping cost. Plus they did not charge a restocking fee. They have a customer for life.

[@IanWaugh]

@@PunguinYoga Hey Steve - I don't think anyone likes reading manuals but I think it's useful, even with simple synths, so you know what it can do and don't miss any cool features. I do prefer synths with one-knob-per-function (as near as poss) as they are useually more intuitive. Anything with a screen - you really do need to RTFM 😊 I have a Rev 2 desktop. Not had your prob although it did stop receiving MIDI. Only a month old so retailer and Sequential fixed it 😄 You should be able to sell the Minibrute if it doesn't suit. The Mini/Micro Freak is nice - but has a screen I wouldn't be too concerned about music training. You'd be surprised how many musicians and composers are self-taught. It's about enjoying yourself and as long as you're having fun - that's a success!

[@PunguinYoga]

@@IanWaugh Thanks for the insights.

[@mattdelany6799]

Just buy a Moog. Why do we need a 25 minute video about being cheap. You will double your money in 3 years if you don’t dig it. Take some pride in your craft/art.

[@IanWaugh]

Hey Matt - Thanks for your comment. It's got nothing to do with being cheap or taking pride in your music. It has to do with value for money and getting the sounds you want at a fair price. We're musicians (not generally known for affluence) not, in the main, collectors 😊

[@KickzNBeatz]

Everyone can get similar sounds with Behringer's version. It's better to save those extra thousands for other things in life.

[@matthewgaines10]

How many videos are you going to make to complain on something you don’t want? It isn’t for you. It is being offered for others besides youself. You do not constitute the entire synth market. I got software facsimiles of the Model D and they are good enough for my purposes. Yet, I don’t feel the need to cry over Moog offering new builds. If people want it and are willing to pay, fine. I won’t but I am not the market.

[@IanWaugh]

How many videos do you want?

[@matthewgaines10]

@IanWaugh The instrument industry isn't about you and your wants or needs. Cry away but I won't be an enabler anymore.

[@IanWaugh]

@@matthewgaines10 The nice thing about our music industry is that we can all have different opinions and still be part of the same community 👍

[@BooronovichPimponski]

I'm convinced the vintage synth market is going to crash. Wait a year or two you'll be able to get a vintage mini for between 2K and $3K....

[@IanWaugh]

Hi Reid - Thank you for your comment. The old synth market is interesting as there are many 80s and 90s synths whos price is much lower which seems to reflect their actual value. Others are silly prices reflecting their rarity. What is interesting is that the actual sounds for virtually any synth can easily be duplicated in other hardware and certainly in software. Of course, most don't have identical controls but it still begs the question why some vintage synths are so priced - definitely not for the sound.

[@thesimulations8900]

You're dreaming. A vintage mini that's been serviced and is excellent to mint is now $10,000-$12000. You think just a year or two the price of the excellent vintage specimens will plummet 75%-80%. Not going to happen. Tons of wealthy people in the world. Tons of disposable income. A mini is not particularly rare, just collectible. Same with some vintage guitars. They made shit tons of strats and Teles in the 50's and 60's. Try affording one though. Good luck. It would take another 08 crash to do anything to the prices. Even then most vintage instruments were not what I would consider affordable. Not as ridiculous as today, but certainly not affordable to most people.

[@IanWaugh]

@@thesimulations8900 There's a difference between 'expensive' (which is relative) and VFM (which might also be relative 😊 But this video is abut alternatives...

[@unisonosc1617]

already happening now, you should see how bad the guitar market is. Everything bubble is popping.

[@ohheyitskevinc]

For $5000, buy two Moog Matriarchs, sync them up and you’ve got 8 oscillators (or 10 if you use the LFO) :) may have some money left for a “boog” (behringer model d) :)

[@christopherpederson1021]

It still wouldn’t have the punch of the model D.