One of Jesus’ Most Perplexing Parables Explained | The Gospels

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[@djbruhxal4995]

Thank God for Bishop Barron underlying Jesus’s view of the urgency to prepare your future spiritually… that sense of urgency to think of your time after you are gone.

[@SEA.530]

I think so, too. The manager acted out of quick desperation to save himself from starvation. His (dishonest) shrewd wit was raw survival. Jesus said wake up: if a criminal can think fast to secure his future, we should do the same to insure a relationship with God.

[@OthaMilligan]

Pointed out the fact that corrupt people recognize what's going to happen and act accordingly. That Believers should wake up to what coming and act accordingly too.

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

@@OthaMilligan It has been over 2000 years since anyone has heard one word from Jesus. He is not coming back.

[@DoubleOhSilver]

​@RaySanders-vp2ql oh, a prophet? tell us more infinitely wise man 🤡

[@nakastajeber8414]

I have a bit different PoV for this parable, and I'm interested in what you all think about this. From what i see, this parable isn't about forgiveness or being smart, but instead is the continuation of the previous passage on luke 15. In this case, Luke 15 talks about Jesus' respond torward the pharicees who protested at how Jesus welcome and eat with sinners, which was responded by three parables, the lost lamb, the lost coin, and the lost son, before then talks about luke 16. In this context, I feel like luke 16 talks more about the pharicees. The sinful accountant is the pharicees, the master is Heavenly Father, and other people are the sinners mentioned on luke 15. Which means, when the passage tells the story of the accountant helping the debt of others, it's talking about what the pharicees should do, which is helping and accepting the sinners instead. For me, this makes Luke 16's meaning closer to the story of "what you do for other, you do it for Me." Which is why the story ends with Luke 16:13 where Jesus explains how people cannot have two masters.

[@sarshanden8033]

That's a pretty good one! Way to go man.

[@eduardopapelo2413]

I like it.

[@danatowne5498]

That makes a lot of sense. God bless :)

[@colonel6007]

We keep forgetting that Jesus didn't speak in chapters and the authors of the scriptures didn't write in chapters so reading in chapters breaks apart single continuous thoughts and lessons. Thanks for pointing out that chapters 15 and 16 aren't necessarily separate lines of thought but probably are connected in a more fundamental way. 🙏🙏🙏

[@amertlich]

I like the idea that the unjust steward represents the Pharisees (or anyone in authority) who misuse their stewardship. He may have begun to realize that reducing the burdens of those he once oppressed benefits not only others but also himself. While his actions were still selfish, they marked the beginning of a shift in perspective-acknowledging that serving others aligns more closely with true stewardship. This reflects the broader lesson that one cannot serve two masters: the steward had been serving his own ego and sense of undeserved authority, but his transition, however imperfect, hints at the value of recognizing service to others as a higher and more meaningful path.

[@LadiesOfThePleiades]

What is this? The good doctor is teaching the gospel of Christ?! Good Lord!!! May it bring peace to the people and give us all hope that Christ has not been forgotten. The forgiveness of sins was His purpose. Praying we all find a way to separate the wheat from the chaff - understanding it is all in his hands.

[@CJRock-xn5qf]

With the evil sent against himself by his own government he's had to reevaluate.

[@KB-gd6fc]

Peterson is an atheist

[@joeygreathouse3029]

He's been a Christian his entire life but just didn't know what Christianity was until recently. All empathetic compassionate kind reasonable just honorable individuals are Christians.

[@falconvisionuavloworbit]

Jordan Peterson is a very refreshing voice of reason speaking out there. We need to encourage and educate our young adults who have been led down the wrong path.

[@Liberatingamericans]

​@@CJRock-xn5qfI struggle with forgiveness myself for various reasons I won't go into. I have no doubt Christ would prefer I forgive even at person risk an harm. I doubt my conviction in doing so. I'll pray on it more.

[@anthonytelles2226]

It’s rare Christ offers his own summation of a parable (except when the disciples ask later!), but no one brought it up. He says the wealth of this world is tainted and unrighteous, but it’s our duty to take it from abstraction and convert it into something good by making friends and doing good with it. This is the opposite of what the culture teaches i.e. store up as much as possible through the stock market so you can cease working and live a life of pleasure in retirement. We shouldn’t participate in the hoarder economy. Christ is saying to instead invest in your friends, make productive use of your money NOW by starting businesses and loaning to people without interest as an example. Links perfectly to the parable about the man who built more storehouses

[@ronpowers745]

I believe you have presented the meaning succinctly and accurately. What seems to stump the panel is the term "unrighteous wealth," which they overlook, but which is crucial to understanding; that if we cannot use our (non-spiritual) worldly wealth to do good to our brethren (being faithful in the small things of this world) we will be unfit to enter eternal life. It seems to me to be an argument against hypocrisy, and at the same time an object-lesson in the purpose of our existence on earth. We are in a crucible, a proving ground, and must be good stewards of our material and spiritual agency while we live, otherwise we will not receive our eternal inheritance.

[@JasonPruett]

i dont agree with you but you are a thinker on this stuff. the title of the video good title i feel really confused now meh dont worry its just a ton of info and all related to one another so it can get confusing. so many parables. the sower, the talents today in my mind and now this one well i cant help it

[@juglansregia1433]

Identity and owner...law "choose who you serve this day" Mammon or...the God of the living who doesn't regard the person of men.

[@pescatoralpursuit1726]

This is incorrect in that the steward was stealing from his master, not being generous with his own. He was serving himself at the expense of another. The debtors were just inconsequential benefactors.

[@genotriana3882]

@@pescatoralpursuit1726 Everything we have including God’s grace is not earned (so it is “unrighteous Mamon”). We should be shrewd in sharing it as we will reap an eternal reward (even though it wasn’t ours to give) for doing so. Yes, the manager is a thief in the parable. But the master is analogous to God and the manager is analogous to us. I don’t think anyone is going to walk away thinking Jesus wants us to rip off God. You can’t really steal something that is freely offered.

[@annjames1837]

Merry Christmas to you all

[@Uteria_888]

Merry Christmas Anna, GBY and keep you and your family safe and sound... In Jesus Christ name. Amen.

[@Uteria_888]

Happy New Years too. 💜 💛

[@shua_the_great]

Merry Christmas!

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

@@shua_the_great Happy Holidays.

[@Cryptoconvert]

When I left a company I had worked for over 27 years and got shafted by them. One of the last things I did was put several employees down for training which would better their careers. In the short term it benefited the employees and my old bosses. Long term it helped the employees move to better employers and my old employer lost out. Sometimes you can do something that looks to benefit your oppressor but long term you win.

[@paulhazel5754]

what goes around comes around, good move.

[@fleetleader1013]

Wisdom. Well done sir

[@zacharyharwell351]

Classy, good-natured, and shrewd. Well done

[@BruceCross]

That's far better than tearing things apart on your way out. You were the better man.

[@cadwaladr365]

Crypto convert lol

[@gpratt123]

In a nutshell, Jesus is saying 'Look, even this DISHONEST guy is clever enough to be concerned about his future (on earth) -- so you, who are striving to be GOOD, should have an even greater urgency about YOUR future (heaven). Be diligent.' Even though the steward's preparation is dishonest, at least he's preparing (for what *he* thinks is important). The disciples should be even MORE concerned about their eternal future.

[@ChristEnlightenment]

Merry Christmas Jordan Petterson, and everyone, Christ loves you all so much. Thank you for helping me so much Jordan over the years, you're a gem, I started watching as a teenager, and im 23 now. May God bless you and your family greatly. Blessings from Houston Texas

[@meghanegger2376]

👋🏼 Hi 😊 my son just moved to Houston (I know, it's a huge place but. .. ). I'd love to connect him w some Christian friends his age and get a referral to a church body in Houston for young adults! have u found a church body that u'd b proud to share?! feel free to DM me also. I'll try to keep a look out. I'm not on here often but regularly so bear w me😅 peace to u and your's, and a very merry CHRISTmas season 🎉

[@georgiebell7064]

Thank you, Jesus christ 🙏 🙌 For speaking through this group, the breakdown of it has helped me walk a better life

[@ahykon2252]

The key is in how he chooses to deal with them. Even in his shrewdness he understood that you need to lead with kindness and forgiveness to win people over. Remember, part of our calling is to lead with love. And Merry Christmas everyone 🎄

[@roberjohnsmith]

It's not about leading with kindness and love as a tactic to winning people over, though. It's because that's the way Christ wants us to do things, and then the results follow. If you put the results as your motivation, instead of following Him as your motivation, then you lose sight of what the whole point is. Which is to love Christ and follow Him with all of our hearts. I hope I've conveyed my message well. God bless you and merry Christmas

[@ahykon2252]

@roberjohnsmith The managers shrewdness shows that even he sees what God has made plain for all to see. That we should lead with love and forgiveness. It's not about manipulation as a tactic, it's about the way in which God has programmed us to function. ( The verse & me, are both trying to convey the logos here) God bless you as well, & I hope that clarified any confusion. And your point is still valid (parables)

[@jamesknight6155]

@@ahykon2252 Luke 14 is about counting the cost. Luke 15 the shepherd represents Jesus, the woman the Holy Spirit(lights a candle illuminates things) the father represents God. The 3 of them working together can find anything that is lost. Jesus also does fore shadowing, shortly after this he goes and finds the 2 sheep on the road to Emmaus. 16 is about Stewardship. foreshadowing Lazarus being raised from the dead. Every chapter has a hidden theme, also every book, if you get stuck on one chapter or book for a couple weeks all of a sudden the Holy Spirit will light the candle and you will see it. One person hears a song and says he wrote that about his wife, another hears the same song and says it was written about his girlfriend, I know the writer I'll call him...He says he wrote that song about his dog. You have to understand the most important parable or you will not understand any other parable...Jesus words " you do not understand this parable" his disciples, No we don't understand," Jesus said " if you do not understand this parable you won't understand any other parable"

[@nochpo4230]

Yes but the thing that makes it interesting is he is not sacrificing any of his own wealth in these acts of "kindness", but rather at the expense of his employer. I think the message is a little more nuanced and is about how acts of kindness and personal growth weigh heavier in the eyes of the lord than strict adherance to "financial fair play" etc. Its an important parable because those of us who work with money often find ourselves choosing between legitimate/fair financial conduct (which benefits the "master" in this case) or straightforward kindness/acts of self enrichment. If the pendulum swings too far in either direction we lose sight of God.

[@Amy7892.]

Nothing belongs to us. All we have is Gods. All our gifts are from God. All I have to give we owe to God.

[@abaker4692]

Simple as that.

[@tmoon9297]

Yes He is our Maker and Source!

[@TrailerHitchRVCenter]

Amen. Oh and Amy is the most feminine name of all time. Have Mercy.

[@illbeyourmonster5752]

That is what every narcissist wants you to think of them too and for the exact same reasons. "Be grateful I have not made things worse than they are for you, yet. Because I can."

[@assavedorandal]

Yes

[@AnthonyFransella]

Someone brought up that managers in those days often made their salary by increasing the amount owed, much like tax collectors. So the manager may have been forgiving the extra he'd up charged the debtors. He's forgiving them and building those relationships and at the same time the rich man praises him for sacrificing now in order to benefit later. Seemed like an interesting take

[@chrispaskell8344]

Yes. He was essentially reducing his commission.

[@JesusLoves77]

This guy gets it. Well Done @AnthonyFransella, smarter then all these dudes in the video. The business man isn't forgiving that of his master, but he is forgiving his own profit. Like as the tax collectors, they made an income by charging more from the citizens then what the government told them to charge. This business man was charging more, like an interest that is how he was going to make his income, and it is this personal income that he was forgiving.

[@WarofThoughts]

That’s an assumption on your part for which there is nothing in the text tk suggest that.

[@abracadabra6324]

@@WarofThoughtsyou do need to consider the issues of the time otherwise much of what is written makes little sense

[@chrispaskell8344]

There are many resources that talk of biblical culture. With archeological evidence to support it. There are many scriptures that require historical study as well. Like why Paul instructed woman in greece to be silent. Study into it. I had some very good Bible professors and teachers from Bible school. That would encourage people to research such things. The church lacks knowledge nowadays because of lazy study habits. If you want to learn information is out there. Like did you know in Holland in the 1600s. An smaller replica of the ark was made. It revolutionized the way ships were made. Dawkins would do good to discover how scientific and intelligent God is. I am 54 and have been an avid researcher of Bible and biblical culture since I was 10. I would encourage others to research. It's a wonderful pursuit.

[@marlerj001]

Personally, I think they all missed the point of the parable. It is a continuation of the three previous parables - forgiveness and returning to god. We are the slacking steward that is going to be held accountable before the Lord. We go to the others we were responsible for and those we have failed - and make amends with them to the best of their ability (and ours). We show mercy to them and in so doing the Lord has mercy towards us. It's the golden rule: we treat others how we want to be treated. If we want the Lord to show mercy to us, we must show mercy to others.

[@AFringedGentianToEnnien]

A very blessed Christmas to you and yours, dearest Dr. Peterson, God bless you, every one.

[@ShawnShields-f2g]

I believe this is much needed. The good book has so much wisdom to offer. The world works differently in some ways today than back when the book was written. These men are discussing how the message applies to today's world. This is wonderful.

[@autumnleaves2766]

Merry Christmas to Jordan and all his fellow scholars on the programme. You are doing great work and it's much appreciated.

[@MarkWatney0]

Greatly appreciate that 1. Acknowledgement is being made by yourself.Dr P and those with you, that the text is sophisticated. That the original audience and listeners are not simpletons and understood commerce.and trade, employment, consequences of dishonesty the "value" of shrewdness at work, profit, nuance and metaphor enough to discover and receive some wisdom. In particular this wisdom was and which related to them because they identified themselves as people of God.( the decendents of Israelites, the Jews; a nation scattered) and their great nations identity and hope was for a restoration to the promised land by a long, awaited messiah. 2. That text from the bible is opened and being discussed with serious scholarly interest ,that there is some genuine wrestling with it going on.and that some truth may be discovered or learned. 3. That acknowledgement of multi faceted human interactions, giving a picture of the sociological make up at that time 2000yrs ago. Looks good from where Im sitting. Thanks!

[@Neal_Daedalus]

The meaning of this parable is that, when a world is ending, like the modern world is giving way right now to whatever comes after, to use the pieces of the world that is ending to receive you into the new world that is emerging. ❤

[@xXxXKusKusXxXx]

I also think that’s the main point. But I think the second point is that Jesus is asking us to be shrewder.

[@Neal_Daedalus]

The reason we are each like the dishonest steward is because we have each inherited this incredibly rich modern world. Through no ‘right’ of our own. All is a gift from God. And yet we still sin continuously, despite the gift. I am a member of This Little Corner of the Internet, and we are using the technology we have inherited to build real and lasting friendships.

[@octavianrei]

I think this is connected with "When two or more come together in my name, I am right there among them". When we get spiritually deprived, when God withdraws His Grace from us, because we are misusing it, or taking it for granted, when we feel just about to fall from Grace, we reach out to someone, most likely, because of pride, we reach out to someone more vulnerable than us, someone who is in debt, someone who struggles in some way, with the pretense that we bring them some comfort. We do it for selfish reason ofcourse, and out of desperation, but it still helps the other person, it lifts them up, with such a debt, they will take anything. And in doing so we feel comforted as well. He is too proud to beg, that is why he reaches to the one who struggles with debt, to a vulnerable one, while he still acts like his master's fortune was his. It is our ego s survival mode, That is why many of us when we are in some kind of life challange, or in a meaning crisis, we go do volunteer work in prisons, or with homeless, or in poor countries etc. we think is a charitable act, and it is, but half of it is actually for ourselves, for what we receive in return, love from the vulnerable. Why it says that he forgave just half of the debt, I think it is because only God can really fulfill someone, only God can remove all the debt, therefore it will require at least two of us to reach a sense of oneness, a sense of fulfilment, which is the closest it gets in human experience to the Grace of God, yet it is not the Grace of God, it is the closest it gets to, yet it is a great environment, a great condition of our heart, a readiness for the Grace of God to pour in as well. God ofcourse sees that the Stuart s move is selfish, and immoral, but he appreciates that the Stuart has the vigilance and the eagerness to not lose that sense of onennes, he appreciates the Stuarts need for belonging, so although he is cheating, the Lord allows him the opportunity to see that joining together with someone, unknowingly we will find ourselves into a state of comfort. is better than to isolate in misery and get lost, it allows us to help each other to become available for Grace again. I think this parable could apply to marriage in a meaning crisis or joining a spiritual community as well.

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

I think the SS saw it that way too

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

To be more fair to the point, the dishonest manager wasn't necessarily dishonest... it was a report that got him fired. If the system is rigged and casting you out, THEN use the ill-gotten pieces of the rigged system as what they are, BECAUSE they aren't honest debts...

[@davidmatthew4555]

So glad people are discussing this parable.

[@capnscarleg]

I think the point of the parable boils down to this: You have a window of opportunity to make the most of what you have. What are you going to do with it?

[@mmelimahlobo7656]

The late Pastor Stephen Armstrong nailed this parable in his teachings

[@BruceCross]

What was his interpretation?

[@jamesknight6155]

@@BruceCross Luke 14 is about counting the cost. Luke 15 the shepherd represents Jesus, the woman the Holy Spirit(lights a candle illuminates things) the father represents God. The 3 of them working together can find anything that is lost. Jesus also does fore shadowing, shortly after this he goes and finds the 2 sheep on the road to Emmaus. 16 is about Stewardship god gives us stuff and we have to be a good steward and he gives us more. foreshadowing Lazarus being raised from the dead. Every chapter has a hidden theme, also every book, if you get stuck on one chapter or book for a couple weeks all of a sudden the Holy Spirit will light the candle and you will see it. One person hears a song and says he wrote that about his wife, another hears the same song and says it was written about his girlfriend, I know the writer I'll call him...He says he wrote that song about his dog. You have to understand the most important parable or you will not understand any other parable...Jesus words " you do not understand this parable" his disciples, No we don't understand," Jesus said " if you do not understand this parable you won't understand any other parable"

[@sandyhardy3419]

Knowledge is information…. wisdom is acting on that information… Beautiful discussion

[@stuff2edit]

Bishop Barron nails it at the end of

[@jfgskaintayo8167]

Always has the fullness of truth, Bishop Barron ❤

[@jessenagy9302]

Beautiful to see wisdom is eternal

[@SloJoFonik]

There are a couple things throwing everybody off. So first off, you're supposed to realize the boss is also crooked when he commends the manager for being a crook. And, if you are aware of how the world works, you can see that this is a common thing. If you need me to dredge up examples, let me know. Secondly, it works as an analogy because it is a symmetrical inversion. The thief is rewarded for being bad because his boss realizes that he is like him. Likewise, you will be rewarded for being good because your Father in heaven is also good. (and, not to put too fine a point on it, but Jesus is specifically referring to you making a sacrifice to benefit others, which ought to be understood as a very succinct little bit of foreshadowing) Now, if you want to really get into the nitty gritty, understand that all the goodness in your life is a gift from God, and when you are good you are good because you have received goodness. It was given to you, either from people who cared for you, or it was given biologically, or it "just" makes sense. This is why atheists are always talking about how they don't need God to be a good person. It's in their biology. It's the bio-logos, the word, the intelligibility of the universe as understood in the body--remember God speaks the world into being. Understand? "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." Remember, the church is the body of Christ. Everything good in you is Christ, is "the lamb slain from the foundation of the earth." So, when you do good, understand that you are using a moral "currency" that is only yours because God gave it to you to manage, and you are giving it to others so that they might benefit, just like Christ gave of himself. It's all reward. Get it? Everyone wins except the boss man, but he is happy anyways to see his children act like him. He knows he can trust us, and so he can give us even more goodness to manage. In Luke 16 Yeshua goes on to say, "“Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?" “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” It's very clear. You are not supposed to be like the manager literally. You shouldn't be dishonest. You shouldn't care more about money than being good. You should be like the manager in analogy only. That is, you should be like your boss, but your boss should be God.

[@pescatoralpursuit1726]

Excellent. Many of these other interpretations border on sacrilege.

[@jimmcfarland9318]

Note that the man didn't shake down those in debt; he offered them a way out of debt, a bargain. Jesus did this for us, knowing that we could never fully pay for own sin, so He negotiated His own body to pay for our debts. We have to be willing to accept what He has offered for the deal to be complete! And the Father accepts His payment for all those who cannot pay.

[@SeekersTavern...]

I like that analogy. Indeed, we can't fully pay off our debt to God. God has taken a lot of the burden in our place.

[@robervalhaha]

I would say that the message Jesus is talking about here is the use of something that is bad, unrighteous to bring forth good, that is the practical shrewdness. What the manager did is wrong, yeah, but by doing wrong he brought mercy to those who were in debt.

[@jimmcfarland9318]

@robervalhaha He was saying: even the unrighteous can figure this out; how much more forgiveness when the ultimate forgiveness is given, on the cross!

[@mary_puffin]

I disagree with your interpretation. This is a huge stretch and not what the parable is talking about. The debtors were very likely able to afford their debt. Moreover, it was only partially forgiven. (Jesus paid our debt in full and we were never able to repay it ourselves, even in part) This parable is not about the debt itself but about the shrewdness of the manager. Jesus is calling us to be shrewd in handling our spiritual affairs also.

[@jimmcfarland9318]

@mary_puffin That's not the point: religious people thought they could pay their debt to the master, but it was only partial. Moreover, see Matthew 7:9-11. He is saying that even a worldly father would not give his son something evil in response to a request, and how much more your Father in Heaven will give you good gifts. This is a similar type of parable, saying that even a corrupt man would arrange to forgive some percentage of debts, and how much more the Son would settle ALL of our debts! Those of you with eyes, open them.

[@Goldilocksontherocks]

The meaning is this. Like the manager didn't do a good job for his boss, we don't do a good job for God. Still everything we have is trough the grace of God, and basically His. Given our broken relationship with God, we are wise to share the things we received from God with others. So while we living our live, we do good.. may it be with the possessions and talents we received from God (and who is not happy how we do our 'job' in general).

[@FittedSheet2000]

Merry Christmas Dr. Peterson

[@brenthalstead2505]

I think this parable is similar in meaning to: “He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.”(Jim Elliot) The quote basically implies that someone is not stupid if they are prepared to make sacrifices or give up transient or perishable items (items they cannot keep) in order to obtain something priceless or eternal (items they cannot lose). It emphasizes the idea that some moral or spiritual achievements, like deeds of selflessness, love, or faith, are more valuable than money or even one's own life.

[@gamota4523]

Love this guy. Super intelligent and very red-pilled/aware of things many just aren’t But as a devout Christian, I need to say, he’s not biblically literate. There are lots of podcasts out there by well known Christians that all say the same thing. I pray he comes to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

[@sabrinagragg8581]

Yes I saw this yesterday. Isn't it fantastic?!?!?❤❤❤

[@leechrec]

I really enjoy reading through the comments.

[@janetbolden597]

I feel like Jesus gives the key to this parable shortly afterwards. He's talking about the afterlife. Being fired from the manager's position is dying..The manager's not trying to get hired by the debtors. He's being wise not to cling to his job/life, and instead hurrying to do acts that put him into the good graces of those whom he'll rely on in his next life. "Welcomed into their houses" is welcomed into heaven. Use whatever tools are given to you in this life to make yourself right with God. It's obviously more than a straight analogy, since God isn't a debtor, but I still think that's the main gist.

[@ducky9908]

This is amazing

[@SolidWorksAcademy01]

"The wisdom shared at 4:30 is pure gold! ✨💡 Don't miss it!"

[@ajmprovidence]

Good to see Dennis Prager feeling better! Merry Christmas

[@WarofThoughts]

That was apart of a promo that was filmed a while back I think. Last I heard as of a week or so ago Charlie Kirk says he is in the hospital still and can barely speak

[@leechrec]

Parables are incredible for deep contemplation.

[@rebeccamcclellan5284]

The manager knew firsthand how his master became so wealthy. It was through what he was ordered to collect from the people. He gave a break to those in hopes of making himself look better, but in doing so, revealed himself as a dishonest man.

[@PaulVanderKlay]

Oh, love this parable...

[@BermondsayBattler]

The Lord is certainly not commending amorality here. In the first century it was a custom for a manager to take as some of his compensation a portion of the goods owed to his client. So when the dishonest manager is cutting their debts, he is not committing further dishonesty; rather, he is cutting the portion that is his commission in hopes of improving his standing with them. By doing this he is also effectively forfeiting earthly wealth in hopes of future reward, in this case also esrthly. In this way Jesus can commend him without commending an amoral or unjust behavior.

[@panagiotistselepidis1192]

There is a Saint in Orthodox Church of 11th century by the name Theofylaktos of Bulgaria who explaines the four Gospels. I have found two books of his work in internet. One in latin (Patrologiae Migne) and one in greek, published in 1751. I have read the one in Greek. To my opinion, he gives a very good explanation of this difficult Parabel.

[@rosalindnathan4640]

Consider the totality of Christ's teaching. Righteousness and moral integrity is at the core for anyone who repented and turned to God. In this context Jesus is telling us to show a sense of urgency in everything we are instructed to do as a saved person- a child of God.

[@WhidbeyMP]

This helped me to grasp a bit of what this parable might mean. (Although I think they can mean different things at different times). It reminds me of Jacob and Esau- Jacob was shrewd and conniving, but at least he valued the firstborn’s inheritance and God’s blessing enough to persuade/wrestle them from another.

[@ShaneAddinall]

Glad someone brought it back to spirituality and bringing the lost home. The sons of light need to be shrewd when dealing with those lost in the dark.

[@NoyPi6step]

Merry Christmas Dr Peterson!

[@cdrcluster9282]

Merry Christmas Dr Peterson! Thank you for all you do! 😊

[@PhillyBirdGang1]

The managers our the priests telling people, “Don’t worry about these sins. Just do your best and that’s ok.” Which is taking away from Jesus’s teachings. It’s not the managers right to do this. We all have to do better not just, ok! Basically don’t compromise with sin!

[@nahbios]

"Catena Aurea" has the interpretation right, and it sounds very much in line with the substance of Bishop Barron's understanding (the materialistic try to prepare for disaster through material means (and sometimes deceit); you, prepare yourself spiritually for the hereafter).

[@PhilBee-g5y]

Jordan I wish you a very happy Christmas and a wonderful new year God bless you and family from phil in Thailand UK guy from Liverpool you talk more sence than anyone I know God bless

[@mattheweastman7038]

I like what Matthew Henry Commentary says. very thorough

[@thibaultdessain7905]

Merry christmas doctor jordan peterson

[@stuartdknightauthor9526]

Forthright honesty. When the manager was confronted with the accusation he didnt deceive the owner. And showed how in his dishonesty, he still brought benefit to all involved. The Greater Good is the meaning of the parable.

[@joannekissick-jones6462]

All parts are one person. The manager is a survival trait of the person, and took on responsibility for the higher self. Once awareness arises that change is happening (karma), then their survival part manages the load that is good for him and good for others. Christ is showing the better way to deal with karma when in the time when accounts come up for payment. The intentions of the heart are with God. 🙏

[@pdxnikki1]

Prudence & wisdom y’all. It’s all it is so chill. Trust God. He knows our hearts.

[@DarioVenten]

Merry Christmas Mr. Peterson, may you and your loved be happy and healthy

[@mrwrightc7]

Dr. Peterson is right - it’s like a collections agent… if you get 80% of what’s owed it’s better than demanding 100% and getting 0%. I never thought of it that way but it’s right.

[@theazhang997]

Merry Christmas 🎅🎅🎅

[@Mr.Cockney]

Spreading the Gospels is the best vengeance that Mr. Peterson can do against his enemies. He is a shrewd psychologist !

[@calvinwong8757]

Just a few words, and you've uplifted me Hopefully, by a certain point, I'll have grown feet

[@HouseofIsraelAD]

Whoever saved JP is blessed

[@boofoobj]

The statement read at 440 is key in that Jesus is asking for us to use the same wisdom and guile presented by the steward to our efforts in our spiritual pursuit of God. He is also comparing the steward to the “men of light” or Pharisees and Saducees and their lack of practical wisdom in the pursuit of their relationship with God. (I garnered this nugget and many other insights from reading “The Kingdom and the Crown” series by Gerald Lund). I would say the panel came to this interpretation.

[@sokengng329]

"For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?" - Jesus Christ People we choose to put on pedestal should represent the best of humanity, the very best amongst us. Leaders should be beacons of light and humanity, not corrupted greedy and selfish.

[@kathleennorthern589]

my two cents: you actually have to read through to verse 15 for the full meaning of the parable...yes the manager was shrewd, yes we can use money for noble and ignoble purposes but the parable is about faithfulness. If you can't be trusted with a little thing like money, how can you be trusted with the true riches of heaven? Jesus goes on to point out that this is about who owns you...if you can't live without money you will do whatever you have to do to keep it - you will serve it..(that's the manager) .if you can't live without God you will do whatever you have to do to keep Him - you will serve Him

[@jamesknight6155]

yes it's about stewardship.. Stewardship. foreshadowing Lazarus being raised from the dead. Luke 14 is about counting the cost. 15 Jesus, the shepherd, the woman represent the Holy Spirit (light a candle illuminates things) the Father represents God. The 3 of them working together can find anything that is lost. foreshadowing Jesus the Shepard going out to find 2 lost sheep on the road to Emmaus. Every chapter has a hidden theme, also every book, if you get stuck on one chapter or book for a couple weeks all of a sudden the Holy Spirit will light the candle and you will see it. one person hears a song and says he wrote that about his wife, another hears the same song and says it was written about his girlfriend, I know the writer I'll call him...He says he wrote that song about his dog. You have to understand the most important parable or you will not understand any other parable...Jesus words " you do not understand this parable" his disciples, No we don't understand," Jesus said " if you do not understand this parable you won't understand any other parable"

[@christopherlin8661]

So simple. Be cautious and careful and resourceful. Don’t be wasteful

[@obelus5985]

Merry Christmas to you, your family and your associates. May God bless and keep you.

[@sentbytheking]

The manager is taking care of his team before his departure. The owner is getting the short end of the stick however what is pointed out is the managers quick action of taking care of his team and ensuring a good standing with his team. It’s not endorsed but what is endorsed was the idea of thinking about others when knowing something other may not know. Just my two cents.

[@reggaefromzion]

I have always thought that what it meant is that we as believers are managers of his word. We should preach his word as we can manage, if we can manage to rescue half of what people owe to God, we do good for all.

[@suggesttwo]

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE.

[@TheSulross]

Wow, this excerpt more than any has me really interested to be hearing the entirety of conversations this panel is having about the New Testament scriptures.

[@operoverlord]

This tells me that affirmative action on class is a good thing. The same measures used here to forgive certain types debt should be used in the same manner for our current economy's debts.

[@MariaOriz-u7v]

Merry Christmas ⛄🎁 😊

[@yowwwwie]

I have mulled over this parable forever.....Now it is a bit clearer. How can the dishonest person act in an immoral way and do good? It's a mystery. Thank you for letting us look at it with this group of learned and learning men. יוי

[@thekarlakim]

Love this series!

[@jihanefarrellphdlongevityc3920]

In the context, I believe this parable teaches to put RELATIONSHIPS above MONEY I believe the point of the story in its context is that the manager uses his position to make friends and that to God the way we treat people is more important than the money, that we should use material wealth to gain friendships, and give people favors

[@josephinecangelosi395]

Love you guys amazing

[@JESUS.is.Coming.Soon.]

This is the best discussion ever, thanks everyone for the roundtable!!!!

[@jameshartley7644]

We owe God 100% in his grace we will never be able to pay back in full. Do our best and grace will do the rest

[@P.H.888]

Doesn’t make good nonsense 😂

[@PeterMurrayj]

What was the context at the time?

[@BermondsayBattler]

I discuss that in my comment above. Jesus is not advocating immortality or amorality

[@sololoquy3783]

It is implied in the parable that the man was corrupt & wasted his master's money. If we assumes that, then what the man did is better than what he has been doing all this time. He is still skimming from his master, but instead of enriching himself, he enriches others. In this manner, the kingdom of heaven is not just a complete shift toward purity. But a baby step.

[@horustwohawks]

The manager also enriched his master while on the way out, i.e., he got caught serving himself at his master's expense, and also likely while taking from the others (advantages of them) at the same time, ...but on the way out he 1) lended his master ability to gain some favor with his indebted (maybe even saving some face, who knows), while the manager also then helped himself save some grace with those whom he had likely been heavy handed with (in charging and taking advantage from) ...and also thusly then perchance realizing that he had made a mistake ...in playing the cutthoat game of self-elevation required for advancement in the corporate world, he had lost sight of his conscience, i.e., taking it seriously he lost touch with his humanity, ...and this was his lesson. (kindof thing)

[@RFG1TmobileSAMsung1]

Yeeeesssiiirrr...on point ✔️👍💯

[@tmoon9297]

If God is Creator, everyone is accountable before Him as stewards in the end, because He made everything and gave us life.

[@Greatlyblessed777]

This is good stuff, merry Christmas ✨🌲

[@bubbag8895]

Happy celebration of the Son of God. Not an abstract psychological concept, both God the Father and His Son were and are real people. Spiritual beings of immense intelligence and power, all Glory to the Father and His Son my King who was given the Father's authority

[@seekthetruth824]

I worked for a company as a young christian where i had to be shrewd in doing things. I hate to turn up the radio so my boss would not hear me telling the truth. I used to make certain phone calls when my boss stepped out of the office as the truth was despised. This is being shrewd

[@YeshuaIsTruth33]

📖 I've struggled with this parable probably the most in terms of it's real world application as most people aren't either rich or a manager. I understand the message as the dishonest manager took heed of the warning and acted in the benefit of others and himself long-term. The message of scripture is a real life warning and calls us all to act in accordance with the will of the Father

[@cottagekeeper]

It is taking the Lord’s mercy and yet we don’t have mercy on others. We can’t comprehend the Mercy and we think we can.

[@msanders2605]

Mr Peterson, I'm a huge fan and have enjoyed the journey you've shared with us. Im bailing out on all DW channels, im not bailing on you sir. See ya on the other side

[@Hlg.youtube]

You do a good job. Thanks.

[@marygarcia456]

Dang I love Jordan Peterson!!!!🎄🎁

[@davidmoore1370]

The other option is take your neighbour to the law instead of God? Bible says no, I see it as why we need justice internally. Should the steward beat the debtor or ask for confession and repentance while getting them to acknowlwdge debt? Perhaps they will pay what they know they owe out of.... free will. Another interesting one. May God help us all. Merry Christmas.

[@michaeljude]

If the manager is on the hook for giving bad loans amounting to X amount of wealth that can’t be recovered. His negotiations to recover partial loss is acknowledgment of his failure and a visible effort to remedy what he can. A righteous man will attempt to fix his wrongdoing even after the consequences have been administered. If good and evil share a spectrum with a sliding scale. X is the line that sends you to hell. Perhaps the effort alone can be enough to get you back on the better end of the spectrum

[@donquixotedelavarna]

He is rearranging the risk in a way that somewhat benefits all parties.

[@daletuck3037]

If you read the Syriac translation it makes much more sense. It speaks about "wicked money", the owners of which will welcome you into their eternal home. It also speaks about being faithful in the management wicked money because if you cannot be faithful with this who would trust you with the truth.

[@doisongmusic]

"Perfectly explained at ⏰ 2:00! 🎯 You’ve got a fan in me now! 🌟"

[@michaeltracey4847]

I used to be a criminal for years and years. I get this parable. The dishonest steward does what he can while he still has the opportunity. While we are here on earth, still drawing breath we have an opportunity to store up riches in heaven. I am a Catholic, for me this means accessing the sacraments, getting to confession. If you are a Christian, search your soul, do an inventory and beg for God’s forgiveness while you have chance. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked and love even your enemies.

[@HaleStorm49]

Yes you are on to something here. One of the main elements of the parable is that the child of the world realizes he has limited time to prepare himself for the inevitable reckoning. The children of light profess to believe this but don't act like it. The urgency and strategic prioritization are missing.

[@bradb82]

I am beside myself seeing the brilliant Jonathan Pageau is so attached to his possessions that he actually think that this parable contains an a morality. My brother and God you need to take a very hard look at yourself and see how much it is that you actually love your wealth because it’s coming through in this video that you love it way too much!

[@huntz0r]

He means "amoral" in the sense that Jesus' point in praising the guy in the story isn't to say the guy is doing a good thing and we should emulate him. The parable isn't a moral story, it's an analogy.

[@knockda887]

Amazing- 👏

[@tissaperera1476]

Greetings, folks! What a fascinating scholarly “debate” we have, though it may be more about its literal Sense/ aspect than the Spirit, and to some extent, its moral implications. In my humble opinion, there was a slight misalignment. This is truly an encrypted “parable” and a double-edged sword. Embracing its spiritual and allegorical meanings could illuminate the prudence and fortitude of the steward’s shrewdness, while its anagogical sense invites us to FORGIVE OTHERS for their sins against us, for ultimately, they are sins against God. God bless us all!

[@bd5son]

Read and study the first Parable he taught; Matthew chapter 13, Mark chapter 4, and Luke chapter 8. This is the key to all parables.

[@josephinecangelosi395]

Please keep this channel

[@mrbill6765]

After viewing the clip the first time, I was thinking I was missing something. Upon viewing it again, I realized that the problem was that they didn't go on to the next few verses that help explain where Jesus was taking the parable. And it is a parable, a earthly story with a heavenly meaning. I believe they're focusing on the details of the parable when Jesus was just saying that the unrighteous steward was looking toward the future, and we should too. For us, we should be good stewards of God's blessing in our dealing with others for His Glory. We can't take it with us, but we can send it on ahead!

[@pescatoralpursuit1726]

"The unrighteous Steward was looking towards the future and we should too." How does that jive with "Take no thought for tomorrow"?

[@mrbill6765]

@@pescatoralpursuit1726 Context is important. Jesus isn't saying not to prepare for your needs, but to put the Lord first: Matt 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying,What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

[@pescatoralpursuit1726]

@mrbill6765 "Don't worry about your needs because the lord will take care of you" is in direct contradiction to "steal from your boss so the next guy will hire your shady ass." Context IS important. Please try again.

[@alfredpennypacker2840]

@@pescatoralpursuit1726 If you want to summarize Jesus' statement in such an inaccurate and insincere way as that, you shouldn't wonder that it contradicts another statement. It's a parable. The boss was impressed with his crafty business sense. Here is Jesus' actual teaching: "The master commended the dishonest manager for his shrewdness. For the sons of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own generation than the sons of light. And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous wealth, so that when it fails they may receive you into the eternal dwellings. One who is faithful in a very little is also faithful in much, and one who is dishonest in a very little is also dishonest in much. If then you have not been faithful in the unrighteous wealth, who will entrust to you the true riches? And if you have not been faithful in that which is another’s, who will give you that which is your own? No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” So the dishonest manager was not commended by Jesus, and not presented as an example of how we ought to behave. But it is plainly shown that his shrewdness and forward thinking were to his benefit, and his actions serve as a small example (as it's a parable) of how such forward thinking can be more beneficial to others as well. I could extrapolate more, but it hardly seems necessary. Jesus made it clear.