More Cringeworthy Job Postings - How To Spot Low Quality Jobs

[@brianegendorf2023]

BTW, my pet peeve that makes me skip over just about any job posting, at this point, is when they don't list any salary in their ad. To me, that is a HUGE red flag.

[@samanthahardy9903]

Especially when the ad states £/$ Competitive Salary.

[@trutrek913]

it depends upon the company. Some companies don't post as they are known for paying well, but some may want to lowball you as you say and don't post it.

[@Madkalibyr]

Same!

[@MemphisCorollaS]

@@samanthahardy9903 absolutely agreed. Competitive compared to what? Better than uemployment or boot camp with the flu isn’t really a selling point for me too.

[@MemphisCorollaS]

@@samanthahardy9903 for sure. If they don’t have the spine and integrity to at least give a salary range, then why should we invest time and effort into going thru the application process? This irks me for internal job postings without a salary range in the company I’m currently working for too. Why the games? Where’s the trust and investment into building up employees “like a family”?

[@adhdfinance2653]

If a job application wants to do a job assessment that takes longer than 10 minutes, I delete the emails. I don’t have time for stupid competency exams for an entry level position.

[@savannahsmiles1797]

@Ken Severo with a mouth like yours I suspect that finding a professional job is NOT in your future...vocabulary is LINKED to IQ, so quit advertising yours being so LOW..just saying

[@kelf114]

@@savannahsmiles1797 Actually.... They've proven those with higher IQs tend to swear. They're not afraid of words or how they're perceived by others. It's also been proven that the higher the IQ, the less you worry about IQ. Smarter people understand that everyone has their own certain knowledge.

[@Armchaiirwarrior]

@@savannahsmiles1797 I love how you managed to miss entire point of OP's post in order to try to flex with a IQ. As Stephen Hawking would say "Flexing IQ is for fucking losers". Just Saying.

[@willn8664]

@@savannahsmiles1797 Found the person that created those assessments.......

[@kennethwyant9813]

I've worked at places that had week long exams for entry level factory positions. It mostly amounted to dexterity testing. Things like how many nuts you could screw on bolts within a given time. How fast you could assemble a given device. Looking back, it was a complete joke and doesn't measure the stuff that actually matters like attendance, and work ethic. Someone could've failed the test, and been a better than average employee.

[@aatheus]

As soon as a company mentioned 'work hard, play hard' it is immediately obvious that they are understaffed and you will burn out quickly.

[@Eric_The_Cleric]

@Issan Cali Reject and drinking with the rest of the staff after work!

[@rsine100]

When they say "play hard," your response should be "OK. You bring the Legos, and I'll bring the hammer."

[@CB-vt3mx]

I had an interviewer give me a work assignment...I told them, "like you, I don't work for free". If that is a problem, it's a YOU problem"

[@sunnyskys2428]

True heroe!

[@hanzlearningsolutions]

The biggest issue I think with jobs I'm seeing is the way the companies keep posting same role for over 8 months... a huge red flag for sure.

[@AK-47ISTHEWAY]

Yes. I'm on indeed a lot and there are dozens of companies that have been posting the same job openings for over 3 years now.

[@davidbrewer7937]

Noting says "shrinking company & shrinking profits, don't invest here" like no vacancies posted...

[@Brad-mc7ut]

I had applied to a company with atleast 30 different open positions and wondered how that is even possible without a high turnover rate. Even the reputable companies don't even have that many job titles, therefore, I went and deleted my profile!

[@davidbrewer7937]

@@Brad-mc7ut Yes, completely fake! The other really annoying thing is when the same vacancy is re-posted by multiple recruiters all trying to get in as a middle man & charge the firm for "finding" the candidate they hire.

[@se2664]

YES! But when I apply they always never reach back out to me. It’s like do you want workers or not tf

[@hithere9235]

I literally felt a punch to the gut when that one company put "we practice work-life integration." How could someone write that? That person must be insane.

[@demonboy7777]

That person is the ceo and is going to profit off of your effort.

[@Eric_The_Cleric]

He's a narcissist, plain and simple. He's trying to upsell his crappy company that he knows is a trash place to work to an unwitting 20-something who will put up with him until he can dump them for the next "go getter" once they've been exhausted. He doesn't care about his employers, only his salary and how much his "absolutely bangin" company makes him rich and famous.

[@richsackett3423]

@@demonboy7777 CEOs don't write that shit, HR does. HR has their own strategies to guarantee their continued employment and are the real enemy. Don't you know how anything works?

[@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit]

​@@isaTZactly. I know of TWO guys that managed to work two jobs during the same hours, one in the SAME building. For years! Another guy I worked with also ran his consulting business from his desk at his full time job, also for years. So yeah, you can at least pay your bills and shop for shoes at work if that's their philosophy..

[@assataknox1707]

Sounds like one of those MLM companies that tell you that you have to put the work in. I “worked” once for a company like that, and I would warn anyone to stay away.

[@chibiktsn3]

"If you're not going to tell people how much you pay, you really don't need the help." LOVE THIS!

[@petereng7497]

Doing an assignment as part of the hiring process seems like a good way to do the job, not get hired, and see the company use my efforts anyway.

[@Seattle-2017]

A business model based on wage theft AND creativity theft.

[@dcsteve7869]

I'd say it's fair to give an assignment with a reasonable time of completion in the range of 15-20 minutes that is basic and tests someones general technical or problem solving skills. Anything beyond that the company is most likely trying to get free work out of people or just a really screwed up place to work

[@mrmartywaring]

If the assessment is something like Excel or Word, then that's ok. Anything that will require more than one hour of your time is not a good sign.

[@HUMC4L]

@@dcsteve7869 I agree. I got a job that had me do a 5 min math test because some positions required a lot of precise math. It was a pretty good job, except the pay could be higher

[@aeow8859]

It depends on the task. Some are frankly insane. When I used to hire for engineering jobs we'd put up a generic scan and just ask them what they can identify. Literally "Hey, here is the bulk of the job, how do you do" I would never in my life think it appropriate to gove an applicant some of our actual data and ask them to process and analyse it for us.

[@SDsearcher]

I have a masters degree and just applied for a position. They asked for an advanced degree, and the list of experience and job requirements is pretty long. They did not list the salary, but said it was full time. I met 95 percent of the requirements, so I applied and I got a callback. My first call was with HR who immediately asked me why I want to leave my current position. I found that odd that it was her first question, but okay. We set up a time for me to do a zoom interview with the two senior people with whom I would be directly working. The zoom interview went great, and I connected with the person who would be my immediate supervisor. I felt positive. And then I was told that the position pays 16.00 per hour. For a position that asks for a masters degree and tons of experience. I don’t get it.

[@kenshinhimura9387]

This is what happens when we allow millions of immigrants Into our country illegally. They lower wages for everyone across-the-board because someone can replace you with someone from a foreign country For a 10th of the pay and they will work 5 times as hard as you

[@renanfelipedossantos5913]

Nowadays I straight out ask if the position pays above the minimum amount I want. There are three possible responses: 1. They do pay that amount or above, so we proceed. 2. They don't pay that minimum and I walk out immediately. 3. They don't disclose that information "at this point of the process" and I walk out immediately.

[@Janthony1977]

You must be someone like me.

[@Jupiter1423]

Should have asked what was budgeted for the salary before moving past the first conversation

[@vikki8699]

Companies like this want your 110% for their 1.1%. As soon as you see this, walk.

[@jdkgcp]

Having worked both cooperate and for start ups most of my life the biggest red flag of all time is if they use the word "family"...move on. Not like family owned and operated but rather that you'll be "part of the family". Secondly if they mention work/life balance there's a reason they're bringing it up, because without fail it means there IS NO work/life balance, it's just work and you'll be pulling some seriously ridiculous hours and the "family" part is how they spin it and attempt to guilt you into working those insane hours. You don't want to spend 14 hours a day in the office 6 days a week? But we're a family. You don't want to let down the family do you?" lol If they mention either of those keep scrolling and if they mention BOTH family and work/life in the same job description RUN!

[@ilenastarbreeze4978]

Yea my family is toxic and i dont speak to them anymore so thats my first thought when someone says family. Oh your gonna use and abuse me and expect me to take it and give me garbage back in turn .. Ok.

[@jdkgcp]

@@ilenastarbreeze4978 Sorry about your family experience but that's not what I'm talking about. Perhaps that's how "they get you"? Vulnerable people looking for a family?

[@Laudanum-gq3bl]

I got hit with “family” and “we wear many hats” in the first three minutes of the interview. 😮

[@floatingsara]

@@jdkgcp I thought the same thing as Ilena. In fact, you are describing a dysfunctional family, so she - and I recognize a similar pattern.

[@BentoBoxBobbyTV]

Lol parents don’t fire their kids because of bad grades 😂

[@godw1ll99]

the "if you need to ask how much i will pay, then you obviously dont really need the work" thing was the worst. he fully admits he is specifically looking for someone who is desperate that will work for pennies.

[@annamyob4624]

answer to that, "if you can't tell me how much you pay, then you obviously don't need the employee." That same employer, shopping for equipment or for a contractor to do renovations or anything else, they expect to know the price up front. So, they are outright saying, you have no worth.

[@lovejumanji5]

Yes …..your not allowed to ask what it pays ???😮😂 Obviously the pay is a problem. This person wants to abuse someone. Before you even meet them it’s abusive . So a desperate person will answer, very sad state of affairs.

[@Lilo-A]

Get what you pay for.

[@TheUnderfundedFashionista]

This needs to be a permanent series on this channel honestly.

[@KeepItFresh02]

Joshua Fluke did these a lot a few years ago.

[@sandrabailey8743]

I've been through several interviews where I've been asked "why should I hire you?" Huge red flag for me. My resume speaks for itself. The fact that you called me leads me to ask why I should work for you. And I'm ballsy enough to ask that question.

[@MattRowland]

If you're so "ballsy" to ask, you should understand the reason for the question. Of course they can read your resume, which could be fabricated or padded for all they know. They ask this question purely to see how you will respond to just an obvious but difficult question. This is a personality question, not a job skills question. My current job, the hiring manager asked me this very question. My response? "You can't afford to NOT hire me." He was sold immediately.

[@sandrabailey8743]

@@MattRowlandPlease educate me on this, but I fail to understand why my personality is relevant. I'm there for a job within my skill level. You don't truly discover someone's personality until you work with them. There will always be personality clashes. It's nearly impossible to get along with everyone. Someone can seem fantastic in an interview then turn out to be an absolute monster. Same goes with management. I've been asked that question and I have no idea how to answer. I've attempted and it makes me feel like a prideful, arrogant braggart. Tooting my own horn and I've never liked that. As for padding a resume. I wouldn't know where to start. That has never crossed my mind. I suppose I'm too focused on the accuracy of my skills and find that discussing my personality isn't relevant to the job skills required. Would that be considered coldly professional? My personal opinion is I'm there to do a job and to the best of my abilities. I tend to keep my work and personal life completely separate. The last interviewer that asked me this ended up being a dodged bullet. I've spoken to several people who were hired and was told I was lucky not to have been.

[@rileymcphee9429]

- Them: Why should I hire you? - Me: Did you read my resume?

[@andreachilton6037]

I've always wanted to respond with "Why? Well, what are your other options?"

[@Al-rn5qy]

Brian is 1,000% correct here when he says don't worry about scaring off potential employers. I had to learn this lesson the hard way. I've worked places where I was low balled for a "promise" of moving up later-needless to say 'later' never came! If I had just held out, I know I would have been where I wanted and needed to be much sooner. I now live by this philosophy when it comes to job offers: If they don't value you while you're "dating them" (the interview), then they won't value you any more if you agree to "marry them" (accepting the job offer). Keep up the awesome videos Brian👍

[@TheRealMRGG85]

I learned this lesson also I only ever compromised. I applied it to be a cook at a chain restaurant. The guy told me that he wouldn't be able to put me on the schedule for a few weeks as a cook then asked me if I wanted to pick up a few hours as a dishwasher I agreed not even needing the money just wanting to be a team player. Six months later I'm still washing dishes full-time I got so upset one night I cussed him in his boss out and let them know if they still wanted me to be employed here they're going to have to put me on the line. Three months later I'm their best cook. I work here for about 4 years until the unfriendly company policies got to be so much that I quit. I now work for a hotel making about twice what I use to.

[@davidbrewer7937]

I have come to the opinion that well over half of the vacancies posted on these recruiting sites are data mining from submitted resumes for targeted advertising & marketing.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

I'm beginning to agree with that as well. I just got an email this morning that said my resume looked like it was a good candidate for a consulting position. I've never applied for a consulting job. They wanted me to fill out a "form" to set up an interview. In going to the "form", it was a website that had the title of the position at the top, but then wanted all my info to apply and all the job details were nothing of what I would want to do. I...thought I had already applied and was getting ready for an interview? I also noticed that the email listed the company as BLOCKCHAIN HOLDINGS LTD (yes, shouted in all caps like that) and said they were registered in the UK. I have veered far and away from all things crypto and I'm certainly not applying to anything overseas as I'm in the U.S. I nearly sent an email asking for more information on any headquarters they may have in America to look more into them but decided that would be a waste of my time. I flagged it as spam and said nothing.

[@justinblair9661]

Hard to argue. I get travel agent, consultant, and miscellaneous labor jobs, though my resume doesn't mention any of those things.

[@WMDistraction]

If you work in China as an educator and are on LinkedIn, you get tons of crap job ads DMed to you weekly or daily. I've used these as opportunities to get in interview experience for positions I'll want in the future to know what kinds of questions I'll get asked. I just bomb it while thinking about how I'd structure the answer if I actually cared lmao

[@sabrinaedde4024]

Agreed

[@renanfelipedossantos5913]

They are.

[@noone-um4hk]

I recently got out of the military, I have 10 years of experience in logistics and a degree in supply chain management. Any job that requested an assignment or any interview process that was excessive I didn't consider. Ended up getting the job I was looking for after a few months after two short interviews and a short warehouse tour, don't waste your time with companies that don't know what they're looking for or want to take advantage of you.

[@abalt3019]

Once you flip your career hunt on its head, and make it about what you are looking for instead of an obstacle course, your confidence level dramatically escalates. Learn to tell employers “nah bruh”. Or “No thank you” if you’re GenX or prior. :)

[@JeffinTD]

I’d imagine a company looking for a logistics/warehouse manager would consider you a dream candidate.

[@Dr.Kananga]

100% this.

[@derekoverhage9180]

@@JeffinTD forgive me if I’m reading it wrong it’s hard for me to see sarcasm in text. But uh no they want yes people he doesn’t sound like a yes guy.

[@derekoverhage9180]

How long did it find to get a logistics job that didn’t take advantage of you? I got 12 years of experience and every job I end up in a lead role without the pay and a mountain of extra work with lower raises because of the obvious decline in production due to extra responsibilities.

[@cuivre2004]

I know a pianist who composed a score for a famous higher end SUV company's commercial as part of a submission to be used in their commercials (initials of the car company are "L R"). The said they did not find any acceptable submissions, but she later found they transposed her score to another key and actually used it! That was just enough to make it "their own". She ended up using her original score as the title track on her first album- which won awards. (Jennifer Thomas- Illumination).

[@manictiger]

Nice! Glad to see something good happen to the underdog for once.

[@haleymist09]

Damn

[@goldcherries]

And let guess, the company tried to sue her for copyright infringement lol

[@5445jedi]

@@manictiger That’s your takeaway from what he said? Not that the company engaged in predatory and legally questionable interviewing tactics?

[@sabrinaedde4024]

I actually had an interview yesterday. The post seemed to meet my capabilities and skills. Recruiter hounded me for a week then immediately told me I don't have enough experience. When I asked why she was hounding me for days and if she even reviewed my resume she hung up on me. This was not a small place. This is a large international firm.

[@jayo3074]

Reasons like this are why I hate recruiters. They are the most selfish incompetent group of people I know

[@picklerix6162]

Many of the recruiters are desperate for any kind of response. Hiring managers often want several years experience even though it might be an entry level position. I guess that they are looking for former interns.

[@robynreichle8600]

Which firm?

[@sabrinaedde4024]

@@robynreichle8600 It was a local mental health clinic. The original offer was program manager which I actually have years of experience doing.

[@vincewhite5087]

I have 30 years experience & was applying & had a person tell me, they wanted someone with my level of experience but not to have worked at companies and developed bad habits. I kid you not, and I asked how they will get said experience w/o working somewhere. The Manager looked at me & said he doesn’t know, but that person is very rare. It took all my strength to not laugh my head off.

[@renanfelipedossantos5913]

You should have laughed, though.

[@mateaukalua4426]

He was probably high on something.

[@Rapscallion2009]

I once applied for a vanilla IT support role. I was asked to demonstrate passion and commitment to their company as if I was hoping to land my true calling in life. No, actually, I just want the money.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

Been there. The IT jobs I like are the ones where they only care about how good you are at solving problems and working with smart people, not corporate politicians.

[@justinokraski3796]

@Cynical Frenchface it’s so they can squeeze more effort out of you

[@TheCoryGroshek]

Right on!

[@MajesticDemonLord]

So, I'm gonna give the flipside here - for reference I've worked in IT since the mid-2000s. Even for an Entry level Position (Helldesk, Data Entry etc.) there's normally about a 1-2 week induction required and about 3-6 months minimum for an Employee to become competent. That number varies based on the Calibre of the Candidate, the Complexity of their systems and how well documented everything is. I've worked with people who were perfectly sufficient for the Job, but it's clear they had no interest in staying in IT - which is fine - nothing wrong with that. The issue for me is, do I waste my time training you, mentoring you, upskilling you for something you ultimately aren't really interested in? I can imagine the reason they ask that if it's a vanilla support role is that there's probably a high turnover rate (Cause Helldesk sucks) and they don't want to go through the process of training and getting someone competent only for them to leave in 9 months - which (granted) says more about them than it does you - but yeah. It's a thing.

[@deuslaudetur2451]

@@MajesticDemonLord I know this comment in 7 months old, but do you have any tips for getting an IT job for entry level? Studying for the Comptia a+ and whatnot.

[@paulaqueirosz]

And then companies complain they can't get workers...

[@billybeemus3929]

Re: The company bragging that only 3% make it through their screening process. Your first question to them would have to be if they pay more than 97% of all other companies out there. If no, thank them for their time and walk away.

[@trutrek913]

I had an interview where I noticed that the Vice president and director of this battery manufacturer plant had the same last name. I jokingly asked if they were related and they said they were cousins. I saw that as big red flag and turned down the job. I later learned from the employees that the cousins would often cover each other's failures and often blame or fire the people under them.

[@picklerix6162]

My friend applied to an electronics tech job. They put him through a series of interviews and gave him a couple tests. He turned down the job when he found out the company was only paying $12/hour for a job that required a degree.

[@argentorangeok6224]

"Competetive wages" is a huge red flag for me. It just means they're competing with your sense of worth.

[@mateaukalua4426]

Competing with the local minimum wage.

[@topherbec7578]

Companies complain that they can't find anyone to work. After seeing this I understand why.

[@ajf5823]

The hubris and sense of entitlement on the part of these deranged and delusional employers is beyond belief!

[@CashMoneyReckadz]

I just left a company I worked for, for 6 years and I told my HR manager in my exit interview that they are in the 90s when it comes to their concern with work life balance and she used WORK LIFE INTEGRATION as an excuse. I was honestly disgusted with how far removed she was from the position I was in to even say that, like it was a positive thing.

[@collenfisher3635]

I have yet to have an exit interview from any of the companies I have worked for..

[@deerinfear7484]

I avoid applying to any job that makes it a mystery in the description.

[@olencone4005]

Graphic Design has a lot of sketchy job postings like these. :( One that cracked me up just the other day was an "entry level" position that required 5+ years of agency experience and/or 10+ years of production experience, a degree in Graphic Design, "hands on" experience with print, web, digital, and UI design, plus video editing and sound mixing, plus programming skill, plus "web press knowledge" (I'm not sure if they meant preparing files for traditional printing, or if they actually wanted this applicant to run the printing presses), plus "sales and marketing" experience, plus "phone skills" (I'm pretty sure this means "you get to answer the phone"). And for this massive and diverse range of skills and experience, they offered "up to" $12/hour (which isn't much above minimum wage here) "based on experience." It was a part-time post too, which means it probably doesn't have any benefits.

[@tylersizelove7521]

Agreed, I graduated with Graphic Design Associates in 2015 and still there was the same issue with studio employers back then asking way too much experience, even though it's one of those things that you can master with just an AA, it's ridiculous.

[@AngryCandy89]

Yes! I don't live in the US, but I feel like any job that is somewhat related to advertising, marketing, graphic design or web design get mixed up and companies expect 1 person to have the skills of 3 different job profiles.

[@Maki-00]

Damn! Do they want you to be able to fly an airplane too? 🤣🤣🤣

[@Seattle-2017]

No thanks, I can flip burgers for better pay - and probably more pride in the burger-flipping job.

[@Maki-00]

@@Seattle-2017 I worked as a barista for so many years because the pay was better than the “real” jobs I was seeing. I once worked as a barista in a hotel for $19/hr plus tips and full benefits!

[@justinblair9661]

40 hours labeled as "part time" = we'll work you full-time, but we won't be offering benefits. 10 people * 10-20 hours for an "assignment" = 100-200 hours of free work, with no guarantee of a job. But the Company has rights to that work, though!

[@aeow8859]

I have a friend who did a task for an interview, didnt get the job but he found out later that yhe company was using his code. Fortunately, he had registered some kind of copyrite on the code ( im by no means an expert here ) and sued them.

[@justinblair9661]

@@aeow8859 good for him. I hope he won big.

[@iCANT_BELIEVE_YOU_SAID_THAT]

What's the name of the company? That's really sleazy AF.

[@aeow8859]

@@iCANT_BELIEVE_YOU_SAID_THAT oh I can't remember the name but it's unbelievably common.

[@lilyrose3005]

I went through five interviews with a company just to get rejected. Each additional interview was with someone higher up, with the last one being the CEO. Everyone liked me till I met the CEO and wasn't offered the job. The job didn't even pay well and the hours we're bad. Definitely going to avoid those companies in the future.

[@picklerix6162]

Last year, a recruiter told me that the CEO wanted to talk to me about a position in her company. I said, “Fine, let’s talk.” Then, the recruiter asked what my salary expectations were and I gave her a number that I thought was the going rate. She never got back to me so I guess the CEO didn’t really want to talk to me. BTW, I did get more than I was asking at another company so it all worked out.

[@chuckchan4127]

Never do more than 2 rounds of interviews, 1 hour each capped.

[@sqlb3rn]

My wife has been using indeed and getting a lot of phishing texts promising unrealistic wages. It appears no one is vetting those job posts.

[@olencone4005]

Yeah, I've gotten several of those over the last couple of months, all of em from companies that seem to be in India, offering huge pay rates (like $50-75/hour) for these generic sounding entry-level positions that aren't even listed publicly. More flags than a parade on the Fourth of July! o.O

[@davidbrewer7937]

Because many of the postings are there for data mining...

[@heyla8401]

@@olencone4005 hmmm...sounds like identity theft possibilities.

[@se2664]

Yes I took my resume off public because I had someone text my number about a job. When I reached out to HR they told me it was fake

[@tinabean713]

@@se2664 It was wise of you to contact HR directly. My company now has a disclaimer on our hiring page stating that we will never contact you about a position you didn't apply for, and will not make you pay for a background check or application fee, etc. because someone was contacting people with job offers in our name and scamming them out of money (and probably selling their social security numbers to boot).

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

I think many company owners don't understand that NOBODY will EVER care for their company as much as them and, if big enough, the shareholders (you know, the folks that value money over people). People work for paychecks and if the line of work entails it, personal fulfillment, such as charity work or perhaps lower-paid medical work where they still enjoy helping people. To be so daft as to really believe "You only care for a paycheck and not my company!" is tone deaf to the highest degree. The potential employee does not know you. They do not know much about your company other than what's online or possible word of mouth. Why should they throw themselves into the company with the fervor of a business partner for low pay? Sounds also like a lot of these companies are insecure about not being able to pay a lot. Okay, fine, lower your standards then to attract appropriate candidates. Stop trying to get an executive level employee with an entry-level wage. Stop asking some random person applying to love your company like it's their own baby and if you're expecting that, at least give them some equity in the company so now it is their baby as well. People are happy to work even horrible jobs if they're at least being compensated fairly. Also, who the hell mocks and scoffs at people who don't want to be chained to their desk at all hours of the day? Since when was wanting work-life balance a weakness? You can be honest that the job will require a lot of overtime without being a condescending asshole about it. And lastly, I agree with the part about companies wanting candidates to submit a school project just to even be considered for the job. Spending *weeks* on a project, just for a *maybe* in getting an interview? Yeah, they can go kick rocks with open toed shoes.

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

Everyone values their own interest over everyone else's. The difference between you and shareholders is they have money and you wish you did.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock Certainly true enough, they have the money and ability to care more about the future of a company, while myself and most any other employees just want at least the "having money" part. Of course job security is also important and a reason to care about the health of the company, but there are other ways to encourage potential/current employees other than guilt-tripping them.

[@alanschlesinger2899]

Amen to that, my sentiments exactly!

[@charityalcott7317]

Right!!! I believe that I would feel a lot better and certainly much less inauthentic than I do currently with my retail employer and making minimum wage in America in 2022--we really need to find a way to (QUICKLY!!!) become more transparent and fix our entire justice, legal systems and government systems that are actually worth the 20% of my paycheck that I slave for everyday for poverty wages and simultaneously, being yelled at and disrespected by literally every other customer (yes it was like 1 in 4 at the beginning of the pandemic, but as of 2022, here in FL state, I find it is averaging out to about 1 in 2 customer service incidents). It's disgusting, these are our community members, our neighbors, and even some strangers (actually, the strangers are some of the friendliest recently....🤔). I really wish I had some more support for my hard work, we've conditioned "customers" in America and have been forced to treat them like their better than us (which I don't know how on Earth that's legal, but anyways...)... It's getting REALLY HARD TO FIND THE STRENGTH TO FORCE MYSELF TO SHOW UP EVERYDAY... No one wants to be exploited and disrespected for a job, I am outraged by the complete lack of resources and communication from my employer, my government (just about every department of it)**, the customers, as well as the vendors and manufacturers--will no one step up?!?! I'm only human, I can't afford to survive, I am in a perpetual and constant state of burnout, I've lost 5 people and one pet over the past two years and I need a F***ing break... $10.33 per hour and after taxes, my take home is roughly $1200 per month... I'm 32(?) rent a room in someone's house for $640 per month (10' x 10' room, with no amenities, no private entry, nothing special or worth the price, but the options aren't really there.. avg rent raised by 39% in my entire county in the last year alone!) My car is insured and gas + avg. maintenance $300** per month, (+ phone, + credit card debt, + storage, household, groceries, laundry, and pet supplies, etc.. I do get $20 for food stamps which means that I am at or below 130% below poverty level, (per SNAP eligibility guidelines), this is clearly a virtual punch in the face of an amount.. $20 and I'm unable to figure out what to do to request a re-review/evaluation in attempt for an increase (if possible). I've accumulated approximately $3000 in auto repairs in the past year and a half, and if you did the math correctly you could probably see how I'm not living above my means, I don't make enough money, with the soaring inflation rates everywhere, I have been slowly depleting my savings and now I'm fighting every single day to stay on top of my fine print fees of the commitments and I am extremely exhausted as I am forced to live in a constant "reptile/survival state of mind" (fight or flight... Or freeze--fawn...?!?!)... Evidently, I'm roadblocked and dead-ended when I tried to get the emergency rental assistance which is really bizarre because I am receiving food stamps, and I qualify for it according to the Treasury Dept and president's requirements, and Our Florida is, coincidentally, also the one's in charge of the Our Florida emergency rental assistance program as well as the EBT program, but the last thing (about the 20th time I tried to do all I could to beg them to contact me, I was having difficulty with the application and/or providing whatever proof that they supposedly needed--).... (Long story short, I got no help from them, and I don't know how to dispute it and /or go over their head to ask our treasury dept to assist with the process..., Because I have done all I could and I know I should qualify and I have been wasting soo much time to keep trying and feeling a tiny bit accomplished, wait two weeks after being lead on and lied to...) (My housing specialist and my last conversation was, " yeah I think we have all the information that we need from you, and no I don't think you need anything else, I have submitted the paperwork and application for approval and if for some reason it gets kicked back, I will give you a call!" -- I took a deep breath and felt a little wave of reassurance as I hung up the phone and headed to work...

[@charityalcott7317]

@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock They have invested in the company, but we are the company.... ⚔️

[@nkwari]

I love that you are advocating for the job seeker's rights and dignity!

[@abm5119]

All American Sign Carving. Because predatory employment is the American Way

[@amandanichole8648]

Yep that's it.

[@sawyer4981]

The games companies play regarding pay always amazes me. Literally the only reason anybody has a job is because of the money. If the salary (or at least a range) isn't on the listing, I'm not applying lol. I used to, but I've found that more often than not, that simply means they aren't even paying market rate for the position.

[@annamyob4624]

ha, fine if you can do it. where i live, in the work i do, nobody posts a salary range. So, if i tried to apply your principle, i'd have no jobs to apply to.

[@renanfelipedossantos5913]

If salary is not disclosed, it means it's not a selling point and therefore it's not good.

[@michaelperez3887]

Imagine telling your car mechanic to go above and beyond to do extra work without being paid.

[@MrChakarocks]

I saw a posting the other day that required an “Advanced Basic” understanding of certain concepts. Almost laughed myself out of my chair these companies are so clueless

[@mingchi1855]

I got questions like "how do you rate each of your skills? 1 being nothing, 10 being you can write a book for it". I was like what dumb ppl designed these questions? A kindergarten kid can literally "write a book" (probably also illustrated with a lot of images too). There are many self-inflated over-confidence ppl who knows only a small piece but believed they knows all. The great smart engineering architects I've worked with share the same "there's always sth you don't know" attitude instead.

[@CB-vt3mx]

when I was in the Army we had "work life integration"...this means, "work 24/7", can't take time off, can't be sick, the suck never ends.

[@iannordin5250]

I had an concrete finishing company straight up try to get me to do actual work under the guise of an assignment for a tech writing position, no contract no terms, nothing. Guy wanted me to make a training booklet for his employement scheme - which was already suspect in itself. Place was run like an MLM where employees had to hire their own teams and find their own work for the company that they would then get a cut of. The employer kept trying to badger me about asking questions and kept implying that I didn't have what it took and that I needed to "prove" myself and I eventually told him that his entire business was scummy and blocked his emails.

[@DestroyaMusic]

The worst type of job postings are the ones that show overtime pay at the top and then show the regular hour pay way at the bottom of the post 😂

[@RodrigoMendoza7]

All of a sudden, I was approached by someone from a company I applied for months ago with no response in return. By this time, I didn't even remember the description and requirements for the job to be honest. The funny thing was that it was strange for the other person to find out I had applied and wasn't replied back. Then the round of interviews come. The first one went well. It was conducted by a developer I would work with if I ended up being accepted for the role. At the end of the interview I'm assigned a project with some requirements but I was free to choose the topic I wanted the project to be about. It's worth mentioning that I had sent some samples of my work attached to my resume when I applied for this position, so they could already tell what I was capable of. To be honest, I had a bad feeling about this assignment, so I made sure to choose a topic that had nothing to do with their business. Furthermore, not only did I fulfill each one of the requirements, I also took care of the UI and the Copywriting (these were not included within the requirements for this assignment nor within the requirements for the job offer). It took me around 3 days to complete it. I barely rested and slept during this time. I notified the developer of its completion and presented it during another video-call. He was more than satisfied with the outcome. I saved it in my Github account in order to share the link of the project so he could show it to his team and superiors too. He told me that within X amount of days he would get me news on my application. Those X days went by, no message from him, so I texted him. He told me there were some problems at the company. As a result, they had to pause the selection process but they hoped to resume it the week after. I was asked to wait some more time, I think it was 3 weeks or so. What happened? Yeap, same thing, no message from him, so I texted him again. What did I get? A pair of check icons in blue only, which indicates he saw my message but didn't reply. From that day on, I learned that my portfolio would be the only way any interested and serious company can tell what I'm capable of unless they are willing to pay for my time, experience and knowledge to code whatever assignment they want to throw at me.

[@mingchi1855]

It's natural for big companies to have hiring freeze but the one you mentioned don't seem one. I had the same issue when just graduated because any experience is a good start. But more than 2 shady ones asked for some assignment and ghosted. I guess they just wanted free work.

[@simplyrowen]

This is why I ended up switching from corporate to hospitality (waiting tables and bartending). I got sick and tired of seeing ads only offering $10-$14 and asking for me to have 2 degrees, proficiency in numerous programs and software, speak 2-3 languages, and 7-10 years of experience, but then they weren’t willing to pay accordingly. The time and money I spent acquiring those skills should be remunerated. This was 17 years ago btw. So it’s crazy to me that those salaries are still the same, although the cost of living is significantly higher. Also sad that waiting tables can give you significantly more income than $10-$14 an hour, for which you don’t need anything other than a high school degree. But I will say, hiring managers don’t have any respect towards you, because too many of them do see you as less than them. You can make an appointment for an interview. Take an hour getting ready, print your resume, prepare by reading about the company, drive 30+ minutes, pay for parking, walk to the address, sit and wait for 30 minutes, for the hostess to come out and tell you “he can’t see you today”. Your time and effort mean nothing to a lot of them. No industry is perfect unfortunately.

[@thetrainhopper8992]

"Ground level marketing opportunity" is also a massive red flag. It's usually a contract sales job or at best a minimum wage sales job with commission. The kicker is you'll be in a situation where you will need the sales skills to sell sand to someone who lives in a desert. The problem is, people who can do this can find more lucrative work than selling pillows or life insurance or whatever thing you don't need them to sell you.

[@martinjohnston1907]

That sounds like an MLM to me.

[@MattRowland]

If it was only selling pillows. I went to an interview one time in my early 20s thinking it was going to be a good, up and coming office position, no....it was selling fire safety equipment and fire escapes. I asked the lady how we sold them. She said - and I'm not making this up - "start with your friends and family and then just drive around and pick a neighborhood or strip mall." 🤣

[@Prof.SeverusSnape]

@@MattRowland omg, that almost sounds like a pyramid scheme...

[@dcsteve7869]

Man I really have to wonder why employers are having such a tough time finding and hiring quality people? and FYI if you are a startup and can't afford to pay at least market wage to good, experienced people who will make your company successful, you're not ready to "start up". This isn't the 90s or early 2000s where the next Google or Amazon is just waiting to break.

[@tnsrs2719]

If you can not pay market wage you should give equity and business security perks

[@annamyob4624]

Treat your employees well. worth more than dollars.

[@renanfelipedossantos5913]

@@tnsrs2719 if you cannot pay market wage you shouldn't run a business, period.

[@chrisalley6282]

@@annamyob4624 Treat your employees well WITH dollars

[@lauramaue]

"We practice work-life integration." Why not just say "you might as well be living here"?

[@malikdespanie4344]

Not so fun fact: Three single guys moved their beds into the office to complete a golf animation job, the employer bragged about it on LinkedIn, and other CEO's joined in encouraging him.

[@MikeysLab]

I had an interview process with a take home portion a couple of years ago, I think the company did something unique and awesome with it, they put their money where their mouth was. They said the average candidate takes 10 hours to complete this, so they paid each candidate $200 to complete the task. Albeit far below market rate, it showed the valued our time.

[@1x93cm]

If a company is asking you to do an assignment before you even are hired thats essentially seeing how much a slave you are willing to be. Imagine working for no pay just to get the opportunity of a job

[@MaidInCanada333]

I just saw a role posted for Chief Creative Officer - requiring "3-5 years' experience"! I just laughed out loud and said, "NOPE."

[@Whol3NothaL3v3l]

Assignments without interviews sound like a way to get a bunch of free labor. Especially when you're talking about people bringing their own ideas but end up not even getting the job.

[@MrIgorkap]

Job posting sites should really have a reporting function for fraudulent bait and switch offered salary. It hurts their credibility but I guess sites like indeed have ten thousand other things that hurt their credibility so I'm a man shouting on an uninhabited island for all my should statements.

[@annamyob4624]

ain't gonna happen. Job posting sites make their money from fees paid by employers. Ergo that is who they are working for.

[@mistiinseattle]

Wish I had known some of these red flags when I was job searching. Happy to be retired and no longer having to play their games.

[@FatBoy42069]

I got hired on as welder and the job posting said "MUST NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY FIRE" turns out great job the hiring firm they went with just doesn't know much about welding.

[@Seattle-2017]

The "job interviews are dumb" and Toptal companies are clearly looking to get applicants to do projects for them for free, under the guise of "assignments". They are stealing your time AND your ideas. If the company needs the applicant to demonstrate their skills, knowledge and competence - that's what experience, references, and a work portfolio are for, all of which can be discerned in a 1 - 2 hour interview, a second interview, and a reference check. I feel bad for any applicants who actually go through with these "assignments".

[@mjs1557]

I actually agree that interviews are stupid and archaic. I’d rather do a live scenario so they can see how I perform the job. I’m a process lead for a warehouse and I had a panel interview with the GM, the AGM, the Ops Manager, a Supervisor, and one of the Process Leads sat in on the interview. They asked all sorts of questions scenario questions the other typical questions and all sorts of crap. I wish I could of just done some live scenario where I could do an hour or two of the actual work and show that I could lead and solve problems instead of all that crap.

[@andyng5321]

normally how many rounds of interviews are these type of jobs?

[@Seattle-2017]

@@andyng5321 I'm not sure about the types of jobs in the video, but from my experience, two interviews are pretty standard from a company that is interested. There was one job (that I got hired for) where I did four interviews, all over the phone, but that was because their nearest office was over 2 hours away and I could not make it there in person to interview with all four people at once. I believe interviews are important because you can usually get a good sense of the interviewer, and whether you'll like them or not, based on their questions and demeanor.

[@Seattle-2017]

@@mjs1557 I somewhat agree, in that a live scenario is critical for some jobs and proving your ability and competence. But interviews are also important in that you can quickly get a sense of whether you'll like, or won't like, the people you're interviewing with. For example, weird, off the wall questions are always a red flag (i.e. "if you were any part of a car, what part would it be, and why?") but challenging but fair, job specific questions are a good sign (i.e.: "Tell me about a very difficult client/situation in your work past, and how you handled the situation"). The best way to go about an interview is that YOU are interviewing them just as much as they are interviewing you.

[@mikescornaienchi2007]

I had to do a presentation to senior management at the company I worked at for a category manager position. The presentation was on how to grow the tomato category. I hit it out of the park they loved it. 6 months later heard nothing they decided to hire one of the family for that role. Best was they used my ideas from that presentation throughout the company.. i no longer work there .. Just my thoughts on projects be careful.

[@brittanibamrick9590]

Eeeeew. The whole assignment thing reminds me of this one place that I interviewed with that required me to "take their exam" to gage my ability to do the job. It was some test that the department director had just made up off the top of their head, and I wasn't allowed a calculator to calculate anything (compounding percentages and dilutions. Half-life and other chemical-type stuff. None of it was whole numbers either). Nevermind the fact that I was currently, and had been for about 4 years, nationally certified in this job and had almost a decade of experience in that same exact position. Also, the state had verified my certification and had licensed me as well. So why the need for an exam was a thing, I don't know. I have interviewed with many many other companies for this same position many times and never once have I been asked to complete ab exam like at this place. The job itself would never require me to do almost all of those types of calculations either. Anything of this sort was performed by a higher up, a position that requires a doctorate degree (aka the position I WAS NOT applying for). There were SO many other red flags that popped up when I interviewed for this company that I knew when I walked out of there that there was no way in hell I was going to accept any offer from them, should I even receive one (spoiler: I did. I told them no.) The position I interviewed for was definitely sought after and not something people leave lightly. So I had my guard up when they called for an interview because I knew the opportunity wasn't one that comes around often. So if the person before left, it was probably because the work culture was bad, or some life circumstance that was unavoidable. Any interviewer that assigns stuff like this, has a "dance monkey, dance" attitude toward employees. And they will never respect you. I definitely got to experience this first hand when someone else (not my interviewer) from this department called me and asked why I "thought I was too good for the position". I politely said "well, I think this conversation is evidence enough". Unbelievable 🤣

[@joshhudson9839]

To me grocery store person in charge sounds like the person who gets the "privelage" of dealing with upset customers who want to speak to whoevers in charge.

[@wesołameduza]

At this point I have so much Faith in the quality of your content that I press the like button before the video starts - and I have no regrets :D

[@ALifeAfterLayoff]

Much appreciated :)

[@geoffmprice]

Person in charge seems a relatively common term in retail here, think a step below a supervisor but above a regular employee. They are of course not really in charge of very much...

[@henrydillard6217]

Sort of like a "team leader" in manufacturing.

[@STScott-qo4pw]

essentially no one wants to get shit for something so they'll use the poor "in-charge" schmuck.

[@itsaplantlife9850]

Thank you for these. As much as it may be obvious for some, growing up in a home that made me feel like nothing, it's harder to see, and I've taken lots of these crap offers. Even in my other career as a massage therapist there was one that I had an interview with, just to be told they were going to test me. I don't even like giving the "free" massage sample that most require, but this one wrapped me into their day's schedule and I didn't know how to speak up for myself. Didn't ever return, but that's after stressing with the staff there and the 3 or so hours I gave for free until I just hightailed it out.

[@bridgetmakesmovies]

Your content is so helpful and is giving me some motivation to start job searching again. I’m very tired of being treated like I’m not a human being by companies. I’d rather deal with the struggles of being self-employed. At least I know then I’ll never have the rug pulled out from under me with no warning.

[@thunderrain789]

I wonder how many applications I could fill out in the time it takes to complete one of those "interview projects".

[@Swift016]

"Maybe they should change their name from Logic Inbound to Logic Outbound." Holy shit lmao. We don't get roasts from you very often and this one sent me.

[@tylersizelove7521]

That executive one is so bad. I make more as a custodian with a small company.

[@MikeNapoli1989]

I’ve always had more luck getting hired by being interviewed by the boss, as oppose to the whole 3 interview BS thing.

[@PlasmaCoolantLeak]

I've been getting emails from recruiters about jobs that I am definitely not qualified for. Makes me think the recruiters are trying to just meet a quota of contacts.

[@serafinacosta7118]

They are clueless for most times. They search key words , and most don’t have the faintest ideas about the contracted position job description. Lately they have been using Indian recruiters.

[@PlasmaCoolantLeak]

@@serafinacosta7118 Yep, been there. Had 4 Indian recruiters contact me 6 times (one of them twice in an hour) on June 30, right before the start of someone's fiscal year.

[@PiolsFlorentino]

Thanks for this. Please also post on leaving a job without another one lined up.

[@PaperRaines]

That job at 19:31 with the three week "real world evaluation" reminds me of a job I applied to the last time I was on the market. I work in IT and they had all kinds of highfalutin, aspirational, buzzword heavy paragraphs in their posting. Their website was even worse. But they offered decent pay and I had their qualifications so I applied Well the next step they sent me an email with an assessment. A timed test that I could only take one time and had 24 hours to respond to. They said the point of it was they only wanted to bring in candidates that they can have "high frequency problem solving conversations with" (I will never forget that retreated sentence). So I take the test and it had absolutely nothing to do with IT work, it was like some kind of IQ quiz with matching shapes and determining the next number in a series. Some logical reasoning by asserting what happens next in a story. It, was, ridiculous I failed that test, by I don't know how many points (they don't tell you). You had 15 minutes to answer 45 complex questions, so it was designed to not be completed. And afterwards I got an email telling me I can't move forward in the process but I can reapply in six months I am so glad I failed that test. When you're looking for a job you can end up taking whatever you get. In the end I got a great job, they didn't give me any freaking IQ assessments, and I got far and beyond more pay than that stupid place. I hope they found their "high frequency" candidate tho 😂

[@johnleahy4944]

This is a great series! I saw an ad three years ago from a “fast paced, metrics-driven start up”, that was founded 17 years ago, answered it and wish this series had been around then.

[@jenniferbond7073]

Wait, wut? 17 years last time I checked is not a start up. Sounds like a hot mess of a disorganized company if a “startup” 17 years later!

[@johnleahy4944]

@@jenniferbond7073 you’re being polite about it! Worst mistake I ever made!

[@scottthomas3672]

I would recommend any IT job seekers stay away from startups and Managed Services Providers, unless you really need the experience. I have 15yrs in the field. Find a job in a large company with a REAL HR dept. You are welcome.

[@edfallin6447]

I was approached by the TopTal people at one point (example six). They think they are appealing to you like a top-tier university does, "only 10% of applicants to Princevard / MIYale are accepted." What a crock. In the tech world, though, they are hardly the only ones to think they are The Best and yet offer little; at least two or three other client-contract firms I've talked to were the same way. I held out for a full-time position, thanks anyway, nimrods. LAL is a good channel, and this is a good series within it. For entertainment value at least, I hope to see more of it. More generally, I've been an interviewer as well as candidate at several companies now, and I recommend LAL from comparing to my own experiences. He's right close to 100% of the time.

[@Ancano]

So glad I landed a new job a couple months ago.

[@joeschmo7957]

Solid and useful information reported in a straightforward and not annoying way. You earned this sub, and I appreciate it. Can you do a video on those of us who are NOT as young as most of the people your content is targeted to? Looking forward to it, thanks.

[@jameswagner1490]

Sounds like the vast majority of job postings available. Depressing...

[@cacapichi8564]

Toptal is not actually an employer. It is like an upscale fiverr where you supposedly can freelance for FANG companies and get contracts that supposedly pay very well. You have to be a top candidate to just gain access to their platform. You don’t earn any money by doing their screening process. When I was looking for a job I did their screening and got to be in the top 5%, then they hit you with that stupid project (which has a deadline!! You don’t meet the deadline, you don’t make the cut). Needless to say, I just quit that stupid process and started applying to real jobs. I don’t know if it’s worth it to be in their platform. Maybe an idea for a next video? :)

[@annamyob4624]

they're not screening for skills or language or all that. They're screening for sheep; suckers. The process an employer puts you through is a sign of who they are and how they will treat you. If they make people jump through hoop after hoop after hoop, meanwhile spattering you with all that propaganda, what they are filtering for is the "company man" who won't question; will just put up and shut up.

[@Enkiaswad]

Oh hahaha! I've done the Toptal interview process. Thankfully I've stopped after step 2 or 3 because I had other opportunities which also had a very hassle free recruiting process 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Miz-Newsy]

Oh here’s a good one: $800 a week to post a few facebook ads and Craigslist postings. Your warning: too much money. I think there’s a scam in there somewhere.. not a pony.

[@columbusmark608]

This is likely only applicable to large urban metro areas, but another massively huge Red Flag: A line in the job posting that states it's on a bus line. Read: We don't even pay you enough to own/operate a car. .

[@sunnydayz9032]

Not really. In some urban areas driving can be a real pain. I took the metro for years to my well paid job because it was more convenient (as did a lot of higher ranking better paid people than me). On a bus or better yet metro line is a huge plus sometimes.

[@MattRowland]

Some places, it is impractical to even own a car. This is a selling point for people who live in NYC for example. Cheyenne? Not so much.

[@benschwartz6565]

I believe the opposite. Most job listings I've seen require the applicant to drive and own a car, regardless of whether driving is necessary to the job. I guess it's a way to discriminate against poor and disabled people

[@Miz-Newsy]

Oooo Toptal! Awful awful employer. Will make you jump through hoops then ghost you… or send a rude email that says “we are not going to hire you!” Crazy

[@janelle_beans]

Now I NEED what a GREAT job posting looks like!!! PLEASE?! 🙏🏻

[@janelle_beans]

@alifeafterlayoff THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! ❤️

[@CallegriaofSoulbound]

I had a company try to use a carrot and stick, bait and switch. They texted me 3 times to setup an interview and sent me an email from 4 different recruiters in their office. The first person couldn't tell me what job posting I applied to nor provide a link to a job posting. I got mad, made two appointments for interviews back to back, and told them I am 16 years professional who has been in Supervisor/management for 15 of those years, if this is a base tech job I am not wasting my time. Then they told me they hire for supervisors and management as well. I made sure they understood they were making a bad first impression and I was not going to put up with them wasting my time and they assured me it wouldn't be a waste. I showed up ten minutes early, announced myself and purpose then waited for the interviewer, who was the office manager to be prepared for the interview. 10 minutes into the interview she starts telling me that my previous experiences as a project manager of multiple 10 million dollar projects was not good enough for a supervisor role at an apartment complex BUT if I started as a base tech and proved myself the word would get out and EVERYONE would want me. Did she really just degrade my work experience AND try to promise me that OTHER companies would hire me after working for her. I packed up my stuff told her I don't work on promises let alone toothless ones and told them to loose my information. Oh and the job she was trying to set me up with was a Temp position. I sent them and their headquarters a very strongly worded email at my regret for wasting time with them and links to two of your videos.

[@hiflyer000]

I remember a few years ago my wife tried to get a job (not even a good one) at a Casino that had just opened up, and they made her come in for 3 interviews that were all over an hour long. They then called her in for a 4th interview and told her she had to take a 3 hour assessment and she said enough, I'm out. It wasn't even for a skilled position or anything.

[@ThanatosTheDH]

This is one of the reasons why I kind of gave up searching for jobs on these online job posting sites. I know my experience and what the pay range "should" be, only thing is actually finding a job that's willing to pay it.

[@benschwartz6565]

How do you search for jobs then?

[@ghostogresnowrabbit5812]

As someone who spent some time working for the unemployment agency in my state, what I'm pretty sure they're doing in the first listing is less "cringe" and more "insidious and exploitative." In my state at least (not sure if it's the case in every state but I'd imagine that it probably is) you stop receiving unemployment if you turn down an offer of suitable work - meaning that if you're offered a job, even if it sucks, you HAVE to take it. A lot of shitty employers take advantage of this by trying to bait applicants into applying for an opportunity that's actually much worse than the posting presented on its face, and then coerce them into accepting with their UI benefits as leverage. So what they're banking on is people who don't read the description. That way they can tell them during the offer phase that they're gonna be paying a third of what they said they would.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

My state requires this as well (and I too worked with my state's unemployment office until just recently 😊). Last I checked, a profile may be flagged with a pending issue if the person is actually hired on but is still collecting unemployment as we receive info for new hires, but not from just an offer. The weekly filing asks if you refused an offer, but...it's easy to just say no to that question because (again, just as far as I'm aware), general offers aren't registered. This of course can vary state to state, though, and I worked the lower levels of claim adjudication so while we saw the entire account, we only resolved a very specific set of issues.

[@ghostogresnowrabbit5812]

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley True that you can refuse the offer and then say no during the weekly certification (I mean technically it's fraud, but you can do it.) That said, I have seen people on hold for turning down an offer who'd answered no when they claimed their weeks. As far as I'm aware, a lot of this happened on the back end so I don't really know exactly what the process is, but employers do have a way to report that they offered somebody a position which they didn't accept. However the onus is on the employer to do that and a lot don't bother because they really don't have any particular reason to, unless they're doing the thing that I was referring to above. This was in Florida though which was a PARTICULARLY massive clusterfuck during COVID lockdowns so maybe your state functioned a little bit better.

[@vellamour]

I wasn’t on Unemployment at the time but I’ve purposely tanked interviews from bait and switch companies once I learned what it was about. Basically making myself the anti candidate in process.

[@annamyob4624]

If the job sucks, you are NOT required to take it. "Suitable" means exactly that--you do not have to take any old thing that comes along. If the company plays bait-and-switch, lures you with promises of greatness and then offers you something that is beneath your level, you have a right to turn it down. As other commenters noted, it's very unlikely the unemployment office will inquire. But just in case, be sure to document the offer, jot down some notes on what was said and your reasons for not taking it. Then if the question does arise, which will be weeks or months later, you do not have to rely on memory; you are prepared to explain why it was unsuitable.

[@ghostogresnowrabbit5812]

@@annamyob4624 Depends on how long you've been on unemployment. For the first (either 6 or 8, I don't remember, it's been over a year since I worked there) weeks you can turn down a job that either A. pays less than 80% of what your previous salary was or B. requires a change in career. After that period though if you get an offer you have to take it even if it would have met the criteria for "unsuitable" during those first 6/8 weeks. I do agree with that last bit about documenting that offer though that's great advice.

[@scottyanke655]

After seeing this I was reminded of the strangest application process I ever went through. It was a local school district looking for an in-house security monitor. The application process consisted of text messages from the principal, the interview process was 3 interviewers and 10 interviewee's in one room, and the interview method was basically asking the same question to everyone, and getting a verbal response right there and then in front of everyone. Last person to answer had all the benefits of everyone else's thoughts. It was a live competition, essentially. For a rather vague $15 an hour position. The turn down message was sent via text message to my phone. Glad I didn't get any further with that!

[@renanfelipedossantos5913]

If everyone is being "interviewed" at the same time, run. Huge red flag.

[@twigturt]

you are my hero right now. Im completely broken down after reading postings, getting interviews and not getting jobs. this helps

[@se2664]

I don’t see anything wrong with someone wanting instructions on how to do their job

[@Cdictator]

Garbage in garbage out. These crappy employers only can recruit those crappy workers

[@n.e.g.u.s]

or quality employees that are great but remain in desperate circumstances unaware that better opportunities exist elsewhere

[@astrodb4487]

Slightly off topic is the assessment test. I don't so much mind them for IT positions but when they refuse to give me the score, I end the interview.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Many employers on Indeed request these or I have just done some myself as I've worked multiple jobs in the same field so I know trying to prove I can diversify based solely off my resume can be hard. This is an issue I'm facing now with a decade of customer service jobs but wanting to do quality assurance instead (reviewing calls for compliance). I have received criticism and critique at nearly every job be it from a QA team or a supervisor and usually excel at my jobs (albeit, the jobs are stressful or pay low, so I move on after a few years). I've had to do the harder half of call center work for a decade, the actual implementation of any critique, so while I've never done QA personally, I feel I know well enough what it takes to analyze the work of other employees and provide meaningful feedback. I'm really tempted at this point to just fake it and write that yes, I've done QA anyways, because I have a sinking suspicion no employer is going to make the same connection I just mentioned.

[@otozm92]

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley Ive been in the same situation as you, I just lied in my resume, at the end of the day you will receive training anyway so play the game with their rules and take advantage of it

[@MattRowland]

@@otozm92 I've seen numerous people lie on their resumes get fired. Don't do it. You will always be caught, and you're denying a job to a legit person looking for a job. You are the worst of the worst.

[@otozm92]

@@MattRowland HR people usually dont know what they are looking for so you need to adjust the resume for it. and IF i get the job is because I was the best anyway

[@internetpointsbank]

Had a apartment maintenance position call me back. They wanted me to use my own van and tools to drive to several locations for $15.50 an hour in Phoenix. No compensation for gas. LOL! Do they realize what you can make just doing side jobs fixing residential houses.

[@shapelessed]

To get my first job I had to do an assignment. But you know how they handled it? They gave me a contract and paid me for spending time on it, no matter the outcome.

[@andyw28]

I didn't see it in the comments I've read. So Le Mans is a 24hour endurance race. That's the biggest red flag they are saying I'm going to work you 24 hours a day until you break.

[@davidholden4543]

Thank you for your videos. Youre helping people avoid the mine fields.

[@RealEstateAdventurer]

Toptal is not offering a job. It's a network for freelance work. They 'brag' about the low acceptance rate as a sales pitch to the companies that hire the freelancers.

[@Thebdippy]

"Person-in-charge" is a term used in retail to refer to someone with the responsibilities of a manager but without the pay or authority to do anything. In legal terms they have the authority to trespass someone while other employees don't, and not much else.

[@CAIDMASTEROFPYRO]

With the assignment one, a better idea is to just have shortlisted applicants come work for a day and pay them for that day.

[@EzraM5]

That's all extremely good advice. The biggest and most important advice of all, which I've personally learned the hard way, is to NEVER take a job from someone who's desperate. It's a huge red flag saying that the place in question is not doing well.

[@AnaCristinalolinsanches]

I know about companies that gave assignments to candidates only to have work done for free. They pretend that they are hiring, give the assignment, then refuse them all saying that they didn't meet the expectations, but after all, everything they wanted was solutions for free.

[@mitch-lifestyle1692]

In defense of all these crappy job postings, they're all so obviously crap jobs that no candidate is likely to invest time in pursuing the position. Imagine actually following through, only to learn how bad they are after taking the job. They telegraph their crappiness in advance ! Regarding the wood carving sign cart, that has the vibe of some guy who's trying to parlay a side hustle into an actual business. The job posting simply reads as a highly inexperienced business person.