Moriarty x Jaffe: A Long and Winding Trail | Sacred Symbols+, Episode 373

[@witcherbruce94]

After my mom passed away, a day or 2 later I dreamed I was in a white void and my mother was just hugging me and I felt like she was at piece and letting me know she was ok. No words were spoken in the dream. Just a vivid experience like I really felt like I was being hugged. RIP mom I love you ❤.

[@sam805236]

I love the DEI talk. Jaffe keeps saying "as a White man do we deserve a seat at the table", but it goes the other way too. I'm Hispanic and from my point of view I DO NOT want White people trying to crusade for me. I believe there's a lot of White guilt out there and some White people think they have to crusade for people of color. To me, that's totally racist because you think we're incapable of representing ourselves or speaking out for ourselves if we feel offended or underrepresented. Let me repeat, I DO NOT need White people to crusade for me, and MANY MANY others of my world feel the same.

[@kadabur]

yup agree there with ya, like trying to push latinx

[@NelsonMandela1million]

David Jaffe is JEWISH.

[@Michael-rv5ib]

White females in particular I believe are to blame for a lot of the division in this country. Women got a seat at the table (rightfully so) and as they seem to always do, decided instead of being a part of something, they needed to be in charge of everything. They stick their nose in everything, and in my opinion destroy it. Gaming, sports, television, politics, you name it. Name one area where they haven’t gone in, forced change, and made things worse.

[@Shinjiduo]

At this point the extreme left white people has become the most racist group. This "crusader" mentality just comes across as stewardship to me as if minority groups cannot mange their own affairs and they have to "handle" everything for them. In fact their disingenuous strident positions only serve to increase animosity toward minorities lower those groups media marketability instead of promoting inclusion.

[@slappydoodle]

Yea I don't get this shit. Not what ur saying but the ideals and way to act? Today. I'm white. And I feel NO desire or feelings in anyway to try and uplift any different race sex creed whatever. U get what u earn. I get what I earn. My black friends know they r black I know they r black, i know I'm white they know im white. I make small funny pokes as do they and it's nvr with malice Idk i think there is that perfect setting, I was born in 84 and I just didn't grow up with racism anywhere near me. Black families lived in my suburban neighborhood, there were black actors in the movies and TV shows I watched. From watching football with my dad and playing basketball in the backyard racism has just always felt dead to me. It's now a talking point cuz people like to feel like a victim, cuz it's easy and requires nothing on ur end U get what u earn

[@ekimoleksander6068]

You should reachout to Timmothy Cain, creator of Fallout. He has a YT channel talking game dev. Would be a perfect fit with the Fallout show out now.

[@rthomasv3]

I appreciate hearing Jaffe's opinion, I just disagree with his premise - I don't think people having the same gender or skin color as me counts as representing me. I relate to and feel represented by characters that have similar experiences to me, which has nothing to do with race or gender.

[@HelderP1337]

💯

[@whatsthenote]

Ultimately, I agree with you, but Jaffe brings a good counterpoint to this. If most people agreed with this sentiment, as a lot of gamers claim to, then there should be no issue with the industry's push for inclusivity. Gamers claim they don't like these characters because they are poorly written, but I'm inclined to believe that's more of a smokescreen to obscure the real fact: Gamers are majority white, male, and straight and relate easier to stories and characters who reflect that demographic. That's just kinda human nature though, not exclusive to gamers.

[@patman34]

Yep

[@TheGoblinHub.]

I mainly see white people say this. As an Iranian, I can tell you it would have meant a lot to see more people like me represented when I went through a period of being ashamed of my race due to racism and bullying

[@silverback1074]

Just to be clear. We love off the rails Jaffe too.

[@chriswinslow8969]

We love all Jaffes equally here at this establishment.

[@viciousvictortee1298]

Let's be honest on rails Jaffe is also loved.

[@intellectic9155]

No, _we_ don't. Jaffe is little more than a washed up hack at this point. A guy who can only stay relevant by saying inflammatory and ignorant shit that I don't even think he believes. I know, thinking for yourself is a disappearing skill.

[@viciousvictortee1298]

@@intellectic9155 Then...why are you here?

[@chriswinslow8969]

@@intellectic9155 you should be required to link to your resume before running around calling the creator of legendary and beloved video games a "washed up hack" Stfu and go back to your echo chamber.

[@codyjones3456]

Colin I think that Kotaku meltdown girl actually tweeted about you before few days back “Lmao oh Moriarty is from Long Island, it makes so much sense now!” Unless she meant from Sherlock Holmes but I doubt it lol

[@CW19941]

I definitely doubt that unless she said Baker Street along with it😂😂😂The people that have those types of meltdowns really show their true colors but also on the other side of it I hope they can get some mental help.

[@KingHarambe_RIP]

She’s irrelevant. I hope she finds the peace in her new career that she is missing now.

[@falsicorgi813]

Vajayjay Abrams is well known for her mystery box

[@Thecomedian1243]

33:50 for games talk for anyone uninterested w/banter. Great first 30 mins of banter tho!

[@gamepro0751]

So much heart and soul in these conversations that make us laugh and think, I love it this combination of these two is unrivaled in podcasting

[@masebreakface3426]

Jaffe is so damn cool. He’s so dynamic and Colin is so good at pulling out his opinions and stimulating the branching dialogues.

[@NelsonMandela1million]

So cool how he has a trans kid. Totally normal and cool.

[@intellectic9155]

You're serious? It's good to see that even here in the LSM comments there are people that can't think for themselves. I feel bad for you.

[@Mojaveknight17]

He's a Woke Warrior

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

@@Mojaveknight17he’s just a person, dude. Relax.

[@tejasranger]

44:54 THIS Colin is so freaking based its not that games shouldnt be unpolitical its that games and the creators should be welcoming of all viewpoints not just one side

[@crfstaley]

The hard cut at 1:16:17 was weird, they were having a really interesting discussion . I wonder what was said/what happened? EDIT: Another cut at 1:56:58 but that one may have been to avoid spoilers for Colin's game

[@Mayham1991]

Yea that first cut was weird. I was working and had to check the video cause I thought something happened.

[@PluuusRyan]

Jaffe, mad respect for reading and engaging in the comments, but I hope you take care of your mental health too. Always appreciate you willing you coming back week over week despite knowing there will be some pushback.

[@BDreGaming]

Great mention of Wizardry by Jaffe. I grew up playing and loving the original Bard's Tale games

[@zacj3]

The beautiful content keeps comin in. I feel like Nicolas Cage in the Con Air gif.

[@AgentKain]

I literally finished the conversation on Jaffe's channel then saw this was uploaded. We're eating good!

[@JustinLatham]

I like Jaffe, that being said every time Colin brings a counter point Jaffe asks for data, how about Jaffe should bring the data to support his view and not just sit on a high horse and talk down to anyone who disagrees with him.

[@whatsthenote]

We should not be shaming people for asking for sources. If anything, Colin should have been asking Jaffe for data to back up his claims more often It's reasonable to ask someone where their viewpoints are coming from and if there is any evidence to back them up.

[@TheGoblinHub.]

You’re really mad he was asking for sources? Jesus Christ dude.

[@keithnmoore2]

Big fan of both of you guys. I hope this becomes a monthly thing the same as Sacred Symbols x Defining Duke. Colin and Jaffe are a super combo of entertainment and opinions. Great stuff

[@intellectic9155]

Wow... you must be a _real_ winner.

[@PeterBParker2398]

I love how people say “Captain Marvel made a billion dollars, therefore people love woke female led stories” The reason it made a billion is because it came out after Avengers Infinity War, and right before Avengers Endgame, the most exciting/popular time period for the MCU (which they have failed to replicate since) How much money did The Marvels (2023) make? It made $206 million dollars, Disney lost over $100 million on that movie alone

[@TheLastDaysOfSorrow]

I'd love to hear Jaffe and Mark Kern (Grummz) discuss the whole SBI shitshow. If you look at the SBI situation objectively and then add what Grummz has been claiming and also proven over the past weeks, I really don't see how any reasonable minded person would side with SBI. These people are open racists and leverage the fear of brand damage via political activism to worm themselves into the industry to write for an audience they openly despise. They are vile twisted caricatures of progressivism and do more harm than good. They're the ones burning the bridges for any meaningful conversation about the topic and consequently push the reasonable folks to the extreme.

[@alexlyster3459]

I think there's a difference between siding with SBI, and maybe thinking alot of the hate is overblown. Personally I think it's pretty clear they at best aren't adding much to the games they work on, and in other cases are impacti g them negatively. Then of course they have some staff that frankly should be fired for some of the comments they've made. But at the same time all this woke new world order conspiracy stuff is a total joke. I'm not going to boycott entire games just because they've consulted. I'll avoid the game if it's bad, nothing more nothing less, I just don't think they have anywhere near as much impact on that as all this hub bub would suggest.

[@TheLastDaysOfSorrow]

@@alexlyster3459 agreed on both fronts. Imo the main issue that is driving more and more people towards conspiracy theories is that the media unanimously omitted the Streisand Effect that blew this whole thing up in the first place. The media and very outspoken sides of the industry are actively siding with people who've been proven to be racist yet point the finger at "the gamer" which is just bafflingly hypocritical . They've also blatantly spread misinformation concerning SBIs involvement in Suicide Squad. Kim Belair stated that they only wrote audio logs, npc barks, in-game ads after the games story was done when in fact one of their employees was lead scriptwriter.

[@TheLastDaysOfSorrow]

​@@alexlyster3459 agreed on both fronts. Imo the main issue that is driving more and more people towards conspiracy theories is that the media unanimously omitted the Streisand Effect that blew this whole thing up in the first place. The media and very outspoken sides of the industry are actively siding with people who've been proven to be racist yet point the finger at "the gamer" which is just bafflingly hypocritical . They've also blatantly spread misinformation concerning SBIs involvement in Suicide Squad. Kim Belair stated that they only wrote audio logs, npc barks, in-game ads after the games story was done when in fact one of their employees was lead scriptwriter. Also since we're on conspiracy theories: my comments on this topic keep disappearing lol

[@TheLastDaysOfSorrow]

@@alexlyster3459 okay this is getting ridiculous. My answer got deleted three times now. I swear I'm not making this up. Either youtube is thoroughly broken right now or someone at LSM really hates what I'm writing which I can't imagine? So here is my original comment in base64. Let's see if this gets deleted again. 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

[@TheLastDaysOfSorrow]

@@alexlyster3459 test

[@jstro-hobbytech]

I have severe ptsd and get murdered some nights 30 times without waking up. I am 45 and the last decade with the more shit therapy digs up the worse they get. I am spending 7 weeks in a private trauma clinic because I can't leave my house for 8 years. Dreams are unique to everyone and are memories and fragments of everything that define us. Mood and mental health have alot to do with them. I read once that every stranger you meet in a dream is someone you seen somewhere but can't remember. I have sleep disorders where I act out my dreams. I got worried about hurting my wife by mistake so I have slept sitting up for 5 years at least.

[@CameronsGamingRetreat]

All of these discussion about dreams makes be feel like I'm missing out big time. I would describe my dreams -- when I have them which is rare -- as cloudy, foggy, not clearly defined. And I forget them almost immediately.

[@rappleby91]

Reducing someone to their skin color or gender or sexuality is just sooo boring. Saying “have a black person on” as if a black person speaks for the entire race of black people so their opinion is somehow more valid on a topic is just sooooo weird to me. Come be our token so you can answer your black people questions! So weird.

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

It’s weird when you say it like, of course lol. Anyone can easily misrepresent an argument like you did. It’s more like: if you wanted to hear about the way a Japanese person experiences life you’d likely speak to a Japanese person, no? It’s pretty simple. No disrespect.

[@ashradiohead1]

I am outside of US and I can confirm nightmares related to academic days are universal. e.g. 1. Going to an exam for subject X and finding out the exam is for subject Y that you didn't study for. I would go out on a limb and say that subject Y is usually Math. 2. You usually need to submit a journal or some kind of assignment before the deadline without which you won't pass the exam and you obviously didn't complete it

[@mickbelfast]

Jaffe talks some shit

[@Daniel_D-bo]

you guys are my favorite left and right combo. yalls conversations are great

[@rossicg35]

Saw this on Twitter so won’t take credit, but Helldivers engages with timeless political satire. It does not engage with contemporary political tribalism. And that is the biggest difference between a game like Helldivers, and something like Suicide Squad. So no, Helldivers is not political in the same way that suicide Squad or Forspoken might be seen. Those games are sincere in their politics, not satirical.

[@PlayLaughLogan]

This is one of the main problems with "everything is political" types is they lack any sense of nuance. They don't understand the difference between contemporary politics vs political themes, etc

[@leandrobello04]

I can listen these two for hours and hours.

[@bikiminhas2315]

Fck streaming. Call me old or old school but the day that console gaming dies. I guess that's the day I hang it up.

[@San_Juan_Grand_Prix]

Cap. You’ll still play and you know it. The moment your favorite studio releases a 10/10 game you’ll be streaming away with the rest of us.

[@bikiminhas2315]

@@San_Juan_Grand_Prix naw, I'm pretty stubborn.

[@geraldorivia7153]

There's no real evidence that non-game pass games don't sell on Xbox. In fact, the leaks from MS last year showed that xbox owners are still buying games, there's just far less Xbox owners than PS/Nintendo. For instance, those leaks showed that 36% of Capcom sales are on Xbox. Considering Xbox's market share, this number makes sense.

[@BDreGaming]

If this is a 3-hour conversation between Jaffe and Colin about potentially nothing, this may be my dream stream 😂

[@jeffsmith3818]

I still have the college dream where I haven’t been to the class all year and show up to a test day. I graduated 20 years ago and it still happens

[@MrFatLipx]

Jaffe's take on basketball is really bizarre to me. He seems to genuinely believe that black people are just naturally better at basketball for some random reason, which makes no sense. It seems fairly obvious that the reason black people are better at basketball is cultural, in combination with the idea that they have generally less economic opportunities than whites, which leads them to focus their time on a cheaper and more easily accessible activity like basketball. OBVIOUSLY I'm speaking in generalities here, and I'm not placing any sort of judgement on anything. But anyways, does he really believe that if you switched the overall economic status and cultural preferences of whites and blacks, black people would still have 70%+ representation in the sport? That would be shocking, and I just don't get where he's coming from on that. Does he believe that the reason most NASCAR drivers are white is because white people are just randomly better drivers than black people for no reason?

[@patman34]

Colin made some points. Jaffe was a moron as per usual.

[@LJFagan777]

Theres probably not someone i disagree with more than Jaffe, but i still love having him on.

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

I feel the same about Colin and I’m a paying Patreon subscriber. $5 a month. Love his analysis even if I don’t agree with 75% of it.

[@rd_2113]

For dreams, I think we all have the dreams where we are at school, last test and you didn't attend a single class in the year and you can't find the classroom. One I also have often as a goalie in hockey is that I am late or forgot a piece of equipment or can't get dressed on time and now the game is almost over.

[@slayergt3104]

IQ definitely matters. We ignore it at our peril. The powers that be don't want us solving IQ gaps because they can't exploit and divide and conquer us any more.

[@KyleBorchert]

2:15:12 - this take (which is a common one over the last year or two) is VERY strange to me. Only in games have I noticed fans and publishers (mainly Xbox) trying to destroy brand loyalty and fandom. It’s very odd! As a big NFL fan, even as vitriolic as fanbases get - you NEVER see fans of one team telling fans of another to stop being fans of that team and to just be fans of football and every player and every team. Just like how there aren’t people at the grocery store telling you to buy all brands of toothpaste or soup or whatever.

[@guywhosbored7]

Man, I love these Jaffe episodes. I love the discussions you guys have. Even watching the recent stream where Colin was on Jaffe's channel, it was uncomfortable at times but it was nice to see two friends understand that they have differences despite having a deep level of respect for one another. It's compliment to both of you that I don't just walk way from a conversation so deeply political and (at times) uncomfortable.

[@jeffmofo5013]

Why do I have to find the "center" or progenitor of the ESG movement? or the DEI movement? it's happening. and it's detrimental. How do I know it's happening? Easy boss says "hire more diverse people" recruiter says, fine by race and gender it is. What happens when you narrow your pool of hires down to 13% of the population? your chances of getting a qualified candidate goes way down, when every company is fighting over qualified candidates in this small pool of people. Jaffe has so bought into the propaganda its laughable and painful listening to this conversation. The problem is that this mindset has engulfed every aspect of the entertainment industry at the detriment of said industry. Just look at disney, when's the last profitable film they've made? Forbes sayss disney has lost $1 billion in the last year. Sweet baby inc is just jumping on the band wagon, because the investors are liek "We have to support DEI" and low and behold you get bottom of the barrel people trying to build the company. And because they know why they were hired the lean into it. Making it the cornerstone of their nonsense. And they deserve every bit of critisism. I'm not going to hunt down the person that put them up to it and give them a pass. no They put themselves out there and they deserve the criticism. He is so brainwashed with the "oh, don't attack them, they aren't responsible" yes they are they chose this path. Not even going to touch the sam harris thing, because like really?

[@Michael-rv5ib]

Jaffe is the type of dude who believes racism against white people can’t exist. Plus he has a trans kid so that means a whole segment of beliefs are auto assigned to him so he can’t do any real critical thinking. If they can’t tell the difference between Samus, a new character at the time, being revealed to be a girl, and the now endless race swapping and gender swapping for established characters, I don’t even know what to say. Does Jaffe honestly not see that Star Wars as an example, does everything in its power to not cast straight, white, powerful men? Give me a break

[@JeffreysMother]

Okay I believe now that the Alexa is making that noise. But I promise you. That’s the EXACT same sound as the chaturbate donation notification

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

Self report, much? I’ve never even seen what a chathrbate window looks like… let alone heard the sound.

[@Garoth4582]

Dream Scenario was a fun and interesting spin on the collective consciousness. If you are into indie films and Nic Cage definitely worth a watch.

[@falsicorgi813]

So, I think the answer to almost everything is it is both nature AND nurture. Where the convo gets interesting is how much of each?

[@ColeKinghorn]

I like how Jaffe mentions Captain Marvel making over a billion dollars (right in between Infinity War and Endgame) but no mention of The Marvels (the sequel) being the lowest performing MCU movie of all time with 206 million worldwide. The opening weekend audience btw was still 65% male.

[@DavidJaffeGames]

I wasn't trying to hide anything and for sure, CAPTAIN MARVEL rode the wave and without it it would not be a billion dollar movie. But it also would not be the flop THE MARVELS was. Related: Why in the FUCK did Marvel name a movie THE MARVELS (which really doesn't sound like anything but an Oscar bait movie about some obscure 1960's band that refused to accept racism when they were touring with Elvis or some such) when it was a sequel to a BILLION DOLLAR flick?!? Why it wasn't called 'CAPTAIN MARVEL II: Subtitle here' I just do not know. Good, fun movie tho, btw.

[@ColeKinghorn]

@@DavidJaffeGames Fair enough. Although I did also see the movie. I thought it was OK but really not what Marvel needed at that moment. Felt like too much of a side story without a real aim towards anything. Forgettable Marvel movies are fine, but I have no real strong desire to ever rewatch The Marvels. Kamala Khan was good but I think the movie overall was a severe creative and financial misfire.

[@SzatanistaDzezowy]

It's like Alien and Aliens. Pretty easy to understand. Movie flopped because Cpt Marvel sucked and nobody wanted to see the sequel, not because of the name.

[@salmark9080]

@@SzatanistaDzezowyfacts lol

[@idakev]

​​​​​​​​@@SzatanistaDzezowy Nah. It failed for similar reasons to Wonder Woman 1984, Aquaman 2, Shazam 2, etc. *They're throwaway sequels.* They look bad, reviewed bad and look like they don't need to exist so there's not a great marketing hook. *You need to make them feel like they're an event.* A well made sequel would have been a success and it's not the fault of the first movie for these. The first movie didn't look lame. *Moral of the story:* if you don't have a good idea for a story, you probably shouldn't go ahead with it. If it got a Winter Soldier-style sequel especially, of course it would have made money. It doesn't help that movies like Thor: Love & Thunder have soured some of people's confidence in the Marvel brand so if they're not sure they'll like something, they'll either skip or wait for it to be on Disney Plus.

[@PeterBParker2398]

“There is no evidence that Sweet Baby or Blackrock are censoring games” “Censorship has always existed in the games industry” Which is it Jaffe ?? Make up your mind

[@DavidJaffeGames]

You are not stating my position correctly. I said we have zero evidence that Sweet Baby Inc is working with some Sony teams because there is stock/DEI Rating score inventive. There MAY very well be and I would not be surprised but in all of the articles and discussion since this story gained traction, I've yet to see the evidence (which I imagine is publicly available) that any private investment firm has decided Sony is or is not to be recommended to their clients because of the DEI score. I've also yet to see any info that suggests what occurs if Sony does some games with DEI scores in mind but others without (aka STELLER BLADE). THAT is my position as it relates to what I was talking to Colin about re: Sweet Baby. Censorship of creatives tho has ALWAYS been a thing since the first human paid for the other human to do art work for them (whatever kind of art). You don't need DEI or Sweet Baby or Black Rock in order to see many examples of the powers that fund also having the power to shape the message of the art they are funding.

[@PeterBParker2398]

@@DavidJaffeGamesSpider Man 2018 - Mary Jane is conventionally attractive and feminine, there are no woke LGBT flags plastered throughout the game, no gay couple side missions, no deaf woman side missions - Sweet Baby did NOT consult Spider Man 2023- Mary Jane is unattractive and masculine, there are woke LGBT flags plastered throughout the game, gay couple side missions, deaf woman side missions - Sweet Baby DID consult on the game “There is no evidence” ??

[@KZ3fps]

​@PeterBParker2398 Spider Man 2018 had LGBT flags in the game and Mary Jane looks like a regular person in both games.

[@PluuusRyan]

@@PeterBParker2398 With total peace and love, your attitude is exactly the kind we could use less of in entertainment. It reeks of entitlement that certain experiences should cater to your worldview first and foremost and that any minority representation is somehow a burden to you.

[@elijahbauer8488]

@@PeterBParker2398 The actor for mary jane had a jaw surgery due to an injury, which is why she looks different, also putting in side missions with themes of inclusivity is not censorship. What is censorship is the fact that when shipped to the middle east, many of this content was removed from the games to conform to their laws. I don't doubt the increase in inclusive side missions was probably recommeded by SBI, or that consultation was gathered from them to ensure this content was accurate, but everything else is just conspiracy theories.

[@MidUser95]

I wish I was able to argue with passion and conviction like Jagger about topics people don't see eye to eye with me.

[@johnnada6855]

Jaffe looks like Phil Colins twin... lol

[@Tatman2TheResQ]

In regards to weird patterns in dreams: I'm nearly 30 and I still never dream about anyone I met after middle school. No clue why people I haven't talk to in 15 years live in my dreams, but anyone remotely relevant to my current life are absent.

[@BDreGaming]

I have a recurring dream, where it's the first day of either grade school or college. And I don't have my schedule, so I have no idea which classes to be at and at what times. And I'm just frantically running around the school trying to figure out where I'm supposed to be, and the bell has already rung and I know that I'm completely fucked.

[@nuruddinpeters9491]

Love these conversations. Jaffe is a perfect pair with Colin. Creates some a sort of balance with opposing and nuance ideas that join and diverge at respectable forks of discussion. No one is wrong or right, but whats great is, these deep discussions need to happen... Invokes so much thought and wonder.

[@chriscroteau931]

Love the stream of consciousness intros. Let those who don't consume literally all other media content and leave the rest of us be.

[@henrycepeda1844]

Your a great mind Jaffe. I have the utmost respect for you! Thanka for the show Colin. Funny meeting you in fallout 3, that Irish is really comin' out in the waistland for ya.

[@necmqcYT]

Colin - "statement" Jaffe - "provide exact stats" ... Jaffe - "statement, no required stats"

[@whatsthenote]

You're criticizing Jaffe for asking for evidence to back points? I feel like you should be criticizing Colin for not doing the same to Jaffe.

[@necmqcYT]

@@whatsthenote cool how about the times Colin does have proof and Jaffe still doesn't believe him? It's because Jaffe is full of shit and Colin is too nice to question his friend.

[@necmqcYT]

@@whatsthenote exactly how many layers of proof does Jaffe need?

[@jing-xt2tg]

@@whatsthenote That's not how normal people converse. It's only leftist midwits that need a "study" to be cited when discussing what everyone else knows to be common sense.

[@whatsthenote]

​@@necmqcYT @necmqcYT you're going to need to be more specific about which instances you're talking about if you want my opinion. Regardless, these guys are talking about pretty robust and complicated topics so referencing anecdotal evidence or googling a random study is typically not going to be enough to put an entire topic to bed. Data is less so to prove a definitive point as it should be used to narrow down better questions that need to be asked. Specifically the fortune 500 conversation, Jaffe asked a good question about if some of those companies had DEI programs and what effect that could have on the study. That's what creates good conversations.

[@HMAcademia]

So on this whole representation thing, I think Jaffe is completely wrong. I get he is trying to be a good person but I just think this is silly. I´m not from the US, I´m Colombian. During the 90´s most of the movies we watched were american and the games I played were either american or japanese. Most of the time we colombians weren´t even mentioned and if we were it wasn´t very flattering (and I get it). But I never thought "hmm this terminator movie really needs a colombian character", you don´t need to see your own race, culture, sex or even species in something to be able to understand it, identify with it or feel something. You can watch a movie without people, just animals and you can feel emotions just as strongly as with a human cast. People loved Chimp Empire on netflix and there are no humans. A story can be a good story without filling up checklist of representation requirements.

[@JustinLatham]

Colin x Jaffe is like a modern take on Hanity and Combs

[@FBNL]

Always a good conversation between these two

[@WholeFnShow1]

Colin x Jaffe episodes are the best on the platform imo

[@kenwal]

Great talk! Two different perspectives that was insightful

[@1985NEVETS]

Has anyone else went to sleep listening to binaural beats? I've noticed every single time I do it I end up dreaming. There're tons of different ones out there but Sleeptube or Jody Hatton have good ones. They also put me to sleep fast. I encourage people to try it but make sure with headphones or earbuds. Turn volume down to a comfortable level and enter Dreamland.

[@brenrob8930]

I love these 2 guys. Colin, just an amazing (former) games journalist turned amazing podcaster extraordinaire. Jaffe, one of the best creative minds in my core era of gaming, created/involved with IP that holds the test of time so far. Whatever you believe, Jaffe is just being a good Dad and dude. Colin is just trying to be a good dude too, they're both the men in the arena for our entertainment. Anxious as anything, but amazing chemistry! Are you not entertained!?

[@tonyrivera8996]

This is the best podcast-bromance in gaming.

[@admiralalyssa]

Since Jaffe asked, as a Mexican, my only issue with the majority of our older media (ours being American) having white leading or often all white casts is how the push to change and improve with DEI is so black and white, literally. I think anyone with empathy can relate to anyone regardless of skin color or gender but seeing Dom be a leading man alongside Marcus was fucking awesome in Gears of War. The reason why DEI feels forced is because it feels like board rooms are saying, "Just change a character to black." The most recent example I can think of is Starfield. The founder is black, the junior scientist and lead scientist are black, and the Russian of all people is too? It's like BGS made every character white and raced swaped in the 11th hour. Not even mentioning Andreja, she has a Portuguese name, but her accent sounds more eastern, but nothing was explored about her because, in reality, she was almost cut from the game alongside her entire faction. Would it be great to get more Hispanic representation? Sure, but I also don't studios blindly race swaping characters. I relate more to straight white male Joel Miller from Last of Us 1 than James from Mass Effect 3. Just cause James says Oralé or Cabron isn't enough for me to love him (although James is underrated). A final thought, I saw a comment saying Hispanics don't need white guys speaking for us, and I both agree and disagree. White people trying to change our verbage and change Spanish to be neutral over gendered is disgusting, and I feel violent impuses whenever I see "Latinx." On the other hand, I don't see many Hispanic people entering the industry, that may be economic reasons or systemic or lack of interest, but if any race, not just a white person, wants to make a game with some Hispanic characters that would be badass. Shadows of the Damned was made by Suda51, and I believe Mikami had a hand it in and it was cool to see. Tldr: More better written characters would be nice, DEI isn't an issue when they aren't race swapping blindly, example Gears of War 1-3.

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

If you don’t mind, can I provide an anecdote from back when I first went to university? I was taking a critical thinking and writing class as one of the required courses for my major and there was this young, Latino girl who was super active politically… meaning she was an activist. She would fly to countries in Central America and help out and protest, etc etc. Every time I hear Colin talk about how much Hispanics hate the term “LatinX” I think of her. Do you know why? Because this was exactly how she referred to her people: as being “Latinx.” She was a young Latina from LA… about as Latina as an American can get… and yet she used that term. My teacher in that class was also Latino and he also used that term. So sure. I’m sure there are a bunch of Hispanics that hate the term and I myself (as a white man) think it’s a little goofy but I’ve literally met and spoken with Latinos who used the word in their daily life.

[@Joseph_Hornreich]

I need a god of war deep dive I want to know everything from the OG bts

[@SMyles]

Why did the video jump around 1:16:30?

[@MisterK-YT]

They don’t want you to know the truth 😏

[@rappleby91]

Clearly cut out something. Happens often with the jaffe shows since they go all in on stuff. Probably one of them said something they didn’t want publicized.

[@jcvdchuck7915]

Jaffe is desperate to make excuses for SBI. Dude, we don’t care WHY it’s happening. We are just saying that it’s happening and, as customers, we are not interested. Thats why the curator list exists. It’s not that deep.

[@ronmexico7256]

I haven’t kept up with the games they’ve been featured on. Are they selling well or bombing? I’m assuming this will determine how it goes in the future. Money rules everything

[@jcvdchuck7915]

@@ronmexico7256 Or just make different games for different audiences. Idk that seems to be a healthier solution. Ideally we want to have a SBI label on SBI games but thats never gonna happen.

[@ronmexico7256]

@@jcvdchuck7915 Why would the studios change what they’re doing or who they’re marketing their games to? The DEI stuff clearly isn’t hurting sales so it’ll just keep increasing, not enough people care about this to make an impact. I mostly just play Japanese games at this point, they usually don’t care about that stuff 🤷‍♀️

[@girmreaper61]

I'm still confused why people are treating SBI like the plague. It just seems crazy to me to avoid a game you might be looking forward to because a group you don't like had input.

[@ronmexico7256]

@@girmreaper61 I feel like boogeyman comparison is more accurate than plague. Most people don’t even know the specifics of what they do, they’re just told that it’s bad. I’m just not a fan of western games usually, though I did enjoy SM2 and Ragnarok which apparently had SBI in them. completely boycotting DEI is going to mean not playing 90% of games at this point.

[@Jason-sq5vz]

Where can I buy that stand down jumper Colin? Great show as always.

[@boots8562]

I sometimes sleep while listening to LSM, earlier this morning around 3AM i had a dream i was sleeping in a windowed attic in the middle of the day listening to Stelly and Micah iwas talking about baking white bread.

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

This was the best Colin x Jaffe so far. I’m watching this right after watching the “trans/God” convo on Jaffe’s channel.

[@Tomofdahook17]

Hey Collin and Jaffe, this is such an interesting conversation that you’re having about gender and race in terms of game characters. I’d like to turn both of your attentions to a game that nailed every facet of those for me. It’s something you wouldn’t expect. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare. The character demographics are outstanding in that game. You have a white, male, American protagonist, a black American Admiral , a Lebanese woman as your sidekick and second in command, a black British Staff Sgt, even a black Nigerian woman who is an engineer on the bridge. Not once in my multiple playthroughs did I question wether or not the game was PC or woke. Why? Because they don’t preach about their race, or gender. They are all part of a single team that is working together for something greater than all of them. I would love for either of you to take a look at that game (again with a different viewpoint if you’ve already played it) and have a discussion about it at some point.

[@danielberry4765]

Jaffe is insufferable.

[@Harkins1721]

I love the intros.

[@PlayLaughLogan]

Its absolutely hilarious that Jaffe is so adamantly defending SBI and the kind of people that have been trashing his games for years lmao. The God of War games wouldn't even exist with SBI consulting.

[@victory7763]

Shows how open minded he is and how he can see both sides of the argument. It's nuanced, not good vs evil.

[@STANDIEMCSTILLE]

I can listen to you 2 talk about anything. Love you guys. Colin Kinda funny isnt shit without you. You were the interesting thing about it. Without you its just sooooooo fucking vanilla. Never watched again. Jaffe love your games and all your input. Twisted metal is a gaming icon. Stay cool guys.

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

I didn’t really understand the point Colin was trying to make with the Toriyama thing. It seemed like was saying that a Japanese man can produce a very specific style of Japanese content (Dragon Ball) and international audiences will enjoy it. Well, yeah? Duh? I’m not sure what that has to do with DEI or Sweet Baby Inc. It almost goes against his argument that you don’t need input from X type of person to help inform the portrayal of X type of person in media.

[@Tigreuh]

It was about quotas, nowadays most things have the token black, asian, LGBT and so on, it's based on the thought that representation matters. Colin was using Dragon Ball as an example of something that's hugely popular in parts of the world not represented in the media.

[@victory7763]

​@Tigreuh But how is it an argument against DEI. If it doesn't matter then it doesn't matter. If someone puts someone black in a game, if it doesn't matter then it doesn't matter.

[@hebrewsky]

We're better off slapping offroad tires on this train.

[@erathizzle8810]

sorry Jaffe but the real world is good... and of course improving in the real world is better in every way than in a video game don't judge people who are disengaging from the real world, really? then what??? anyone who argues this path should be not be judged is wacky: volunteer, engage, talk, write, play games with other people, learn all you can, take advantage of opportunities, build real relationships, be good at something, cook for someone, have children, work on your health its tough, sure but lets get priorities straight here

[@Ribnax]

Colin talking about his idea of people killing themselves and coming back over and over again to gain more information Is what the Thanatonauts in (Destiny lore) do. But they do it to get glimpses of their past lives, that they don't remember

[@StraitShot]

DEI/ESG and the subscription model are intrinsically linked....

[@linkinparkblink182ro]

........how?

[@victory7763]

​@linkinparkblink182ro he will not answer you

[@willytjr1]

I would love a timeline read aloud on the development of Helldivers 2 by Colin. Miss his writing style 🫶🏻

[@digitalXP13]

Perfectly summed up Jaffe, I used to find console war stuff mildly entertaining but can't stand it! It just keeps going, it's nauseating!! I miss just talking in depth on games.

[@princeofduval810]

This episode and the FF7 Remake episode both say Episode 373 in the title.

[@christopherm7735]

Not unreasonable to think that hundreds of years of selecting for individuals with certain physical attributes during slavery would lead to physiological differences today. As a black man I’m just sad that it seemed to skip my genetics lol

[@BDreGaming]

Um.. was Jaffe trying to say that he thinks Michael Clarke Duncan and Christopher Judge are the same person? 😂

[@victory7763]

I'm black and I agree with 90% of what Jaffee said Note: announcing my race because apparently that's a thing blks do on the internet anonymously

[@Loopez2284]

Sorry Colin, but you're wrong about soccer being a global sport for anyone to be able to take part in. It's a very well-known discussion in the UK why black people aren't being pushed e.g. becoming managers or why Asian children aren't being picked when it comes to soccer trials. It's very much of who you know and how well you're connected most of the time.

[@ericblair5153]

The whole conversation about race is agonizingly blue pulled, with respect to both sides.

[@Flounderboy15]

Jaffe is always a treat

[@Tatman2TheResQ]

"[Xbox will be] the first to fall of all" This makes me wonder how long Nintendo will last in the console hardware space. I could see it being many generations longer than the rest, until it just doesn't make sense anymore.

[@Rhomagus]

1:26:08 I would love for Jaffe to have John Eric Bentley on his show and repeat to him verbatim what he said earlier in this episode. Do it. Really, do it.

[@mrsoulslike570]

Love when you 2 get together to bs. Keep 'em coming

[@bozzwick]

Personal bookmark: 1:38:00

[@Maya_Ruinz]

Jaffe is a lunatic and I love him for it lol 😆

[@HardcoreGamer101508]

Damn, are they really going to keep the Cliffy B interview locked behind a paywall forever?

[@deathproof8732]

I dont say Bless you, or any of that. I dont pray so dont ask me to for you. Just thank you and you"re welcome.

[@ninjazubat2121]

The curator list is NOT saying: “Here is a list of publishers infiltrated by SBI against their will” The curator list is saying: “Here is a list of publishers who willingly hired SBI” It is giving players information on which publishers to avoid, if they are sensitive to that stuff. To call that harassment is disingenuous and purposely misrepresents the argument.

[@Gamer4Life1007]

I love this combo!

[@necmqcYT]

Jaffe is really bad at this. Calling shit racist while confusing michael clarke duncan with Christopher Judge...

[@ronmexico7256]

You can confuse two people without being racist, why are you guys so quick to go there 😂

[@necmqcYT]

@@ronmexico7256 not when you're making a point about how other people are racists and he's the enlightened one.

[@ronmexico7256]

@@necmqcYT not everything is racist, calm down man lol

[@necmqcYT]

Oh

[@SuperBloodborneMaker2]

Holy shit the fact that Jaffe was just talking about asking his passed father about God in a dream has single handed makes me want to come back to his channel. Truthfully loved his channel and was a fan of his community, but there was a time where he was heavily promoting this picture as a recurring channel geaphic of jim ryan on a crucifix, idk if its correlated to that but couldnt watch his videos or take hime seriius after that

[@SuperBloodborneMaker2]

Wait just got to the reserved Jaffe segment, love cookoo Jaffe but I don't wanna come to his channel to see him shit on every single great game then play shovelware games and hype them up. I wanna give Jaffe another chance if he's being cool again.

[@kadabur]

love these Moriartyx Jaffee wish they were every month really. i disagree politically with Jaffe but he has some cool ideas and is overall eclectic

[@desertgsrider1]

As usual, I love Jaffe episodes! Jaffe, if you are reading this, remember to please ignore the VERY vocal minority.

[@sebzilla_ogkilla261]

Bro, side scrollers was awesome when they first came out, but the show is just culture war. BS. Graig and his guest never talk about games really they just bitch