When a Mormon Gay Man Marries a Woman - Kyle Ashworth Pt. 2 - Mormon Stories 1437

[@ursulascholten7438]

The word "decency" is invisible written all over Kyle's face! What a courageous wonderful man. All the best to him and his family!

[@scootipup]

This isn't the first time I've cried while watching Mormon Stories. But this is the first time my heart has feit so broken. I am in awe of both Kyle and his former wife. Thank you for your openness and vulnerability. We all become better and stronger together in these places of honesty.

[@rickdiorio153]

I am dating a gay lds man coming out of a 25 year loving marriage. This has been stunningly hard for him. I cried thru this whole Video. Thank you , In Idaho

[@jamierayadams]

This is the BEST Mormon Stories Interview EVER! What a well spoken, heartfelt, articulate, intelligent, honest, candid, vulnerable discussion and I FELT THE SPIRIT listening to two Ex-Mormons and one of them is gay! ❤️

[@kyleashworth5158]

I’m not gay, but my boyfriend is! 😂😂 Thank you for this comment. It made me genuinely smile.

[@margenn3889]

I felt so sad for both you and your wife. She had so much courage and it's so true each of you deserve to love and be loved. Best wishes for the future to you both.

[@stephaniecarlson6689]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤New South Wales Australia 🌺🌸🌺🌸🌺🌸🌺🌸🌺🌸 What a positive response & outcome for you all. I was in a Heterosexual Marriage, I was the Anglican Christian female Wife who experienced abuse & kept trying to make it work because of my beliefs. Well, it doesn't do anything else but destroy you. I am so happy for you both that you came to this point Jamie & Kyle. Xo xoxoxoxo xoxoxoxo 💝💝💝💝💝💝

[@katbos4995]

@@kyleashworth5158 Lol, I tell people, “I’m not gay, but my wife is.” 😂❤️🏳️‍🌈

[@1982alcl]

I grew up mormon and just at 39 came out.... this second part here has me in tears.... especially the part about selflessness and thriving... thank you for this interview, I needed to hear it.

[@sedonarose7563]

🎉 Yay!!!!

[@lisamaddox7860]

His ex wife sounds like such an amazing, loving, selfless woman! May God bless her and EVERYONE! 🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤

[@h.r.9563]

She knows real love, not the conditional standards love

[@kyleashworth5158]

She is! And I hope that she’ll share her voice and her experience soon. I think she could help out so many other wives that find themselves in a similar situation.

[@samanthaporter8534]

@@kyleashworth5158 your wife may have insight that will give other women the strength to move forward. I hope she shares her story. Again thank you for your bravery and strength in sharing your story.

[@Emma_love10]

Amazing example of love.

[@devanwoodruff7289]

Let's get her on the podcast!

[@veritas4828]

Fascinating interview. Im a physician who happens to be gay, Christian (not LDS), still in the closet and have never been in a relationship with a man. This interview gives me slim hope for future happiness although Im resigned to the fact that it probably will never happen. It is painful to admit this but Im now focused on doing international humanitarian work which gives me tremendous personal fulfillment.

[@mormonstories]

Hang in there!!!

[@quinataanthony]

Kyle, and Dr. Dehlin, speaking as a straight, Roman Catholic since birth, male, I LOVED this interview! If not my favorite, definitely in my TOP 3, Mormon stories interviews. Kyle, I loved your candor and I was moved your openness. I love who you are, my brother. I’m sure that BOTH of you brought, and will bring healing to many because of this interview. May God bless you both! ❤️ ❤️

[@kyleashworth5158]

Thank you, Anthony!

[@quinataanthony]

@@kyleashworth5158 I loved your honesty, your vulnerability, and I love who you are, brother. God bless you and your story!

[@ewkamarchewka1155]

I'm curious. Are you a Roman Catholic now and believe in everything in catechism?

[@JoSpring]

This is making me cry. I'm so grateful his wife was able to be kind

[@geyienhk]

Very moved by this guy’s story. Hope he and his former wife find all the love and joy they can now. Thanks for sharing so openly and bravely.

[@sherrykeahilihau1394]

I am so grateful for this wonderful Podcast. I watch them all but this one, Kyle, has just touched my heart and helped me understand just a little of what it would be like to be in his shoes. My heart breaks for him and what he has had to live through. His wife also is so wonderful and showed so much love and understanding and they are such a wonderful example. I have learned so much from this and have so much love for Kyle and his family.

[@sweettea527]

Thanks for letting Kyle speak without interruption. Especially the part about the break up. Kyle, you are blessed beyond belief with the people you have surrounded yourself with. Thank you for speaking.

[@middlemarie2]

Please interview his ex wife. It is rare to get the story of the ex wife. If she isn't kind and selfless, then she is considered bitter. That is not right.

[@mormonstories]

I would love to Karen.

[@nancyleejorgenson9523]

Please do this. We definitely need to know how she survived this. I pray that she has found a healthy way to become a sexual being.

[@Adele.N]

She might still be a practicing Mormon.

[@erikaward5767]

That’s okay 👍. I’d love to hear Jamie’s Mormon perspective!

[@southernbelladonna78]

Great idea. But I guess it never came into fruition. 😢

[@shellas04]

As a child in the mormon culture in Salt Lake City, late 1970s. My male friend was gay. He just wanted to play with us girls. We were down with that. We didn't care or think anything was wrong with him. Until church leaders got involved and tried to reform him and make him play and do boy things. We were little kids. Adults made us think different about him. Hopefully we can do better. Teach kids about love for everybody.

[@kyleashworth5158]

When we know better, we do better. I hope to teach my kids about the blind spots!

[@jobinsmith4116]

Thank you for sharing your story Kyle!! And thank you to Jamie for being so loving and gracious, what an amazing family you two have created!! Your children are so lucky 🍀 💙❤️🩵💜

[@claudia8801]

This interview is the most heartening thing I've heard in years. Thank you.

[@kyleashworth5158]

❤️ thank you Claudia!

[@debbsc5176]

Is there a part 3? I, too, would love to hear from Jamie. She sounds like a wonderful human being and you two are a great example of what love looks like!

[@saffronhammer7714]

I have watched so many “Mormon Stories” but I think this might be my favorite. Even as a straight born-in jw (ex now) I found so much of his story and journey relatable to my own. We are all humans who need to be able to know and embrace our true selves and being born into cults / fundamentalist religions makes this inordinately difficult, a long painful journey. But well worth it.

[@kyleashworth5158]

Love, love, love this. It’s a topic that transcends cultural, religious, and economic situations. At the end of the day we ALL deserve to love and be loved.

[@arizonastrong9756]

I feel in the jw when I was living in Mx. I started studying in my house then studying meetings then church I was deep deep in that’s all I thought about every waking moment of the day. I can’t explain it but it took over all my time and my thoughts. I was blinded by this. Then I had to come back home to the USA and one day I woke up it like what the heck am I doing. I mean I was telling parents to not get a transfusion for there children even though it would save there child’s life. I was literally telling them to watch there chid die. I cried and felt horrible. I even walked away from my family. I’m so glad I woke up. JW is almost like Mormon teaching. When I look back now I realize it has a cult mentality.

[@vscarante]

Dr. John Dehlin, congrats and thanks for keeping Mormon stories alive despite all the personal challenges you have faced, it is an amazing public service!

[@tracygrist9828]

Yes.

[@SaltLakeTamotea]

Kyle and his wife describing their post-divorce family with kids as "two homes, one family," is so healthy. I love to hear that.

[@gramyhaze8195]

My god, this is heartbreaking to listen to. The Mormon church is toxic to good decent people. I ache for Klyle , his wife and family.

[@carolynaitken7632]

The LDS church is made up of people and people are people! I believe that the truth of the matter is they don’t know how to handle it most of them are not trained therapists so they blunder and make mistakes they do what they think is right but often they are groping about in the dark! They are given a calling then receive a manual but seldom if ever are they trained!! Just suppose you needed to see a counsellor so you went to the relief society President for counselling unless she has received proper training she could unwittingly do more harm then good! Just saying.

[@hattswank5313]

@@carolynaitken7632 that’s not the issue. The issue is the foundational fact that supposed prophets could get it so wrong. And spare us the “they were learning line upon line too, just like the rest of us.” Well, then what’s the point of having prophets? You can’t have it both ways.

[@endswithme555]

When Kyle broke down my heart broke…what a story of strength. I came out to myself early this year and I’m 40. I’ve never felt freer. I’m still a Christian and I love God. I shudder to think what would’ve happened had a gotten married to two people I was in a relationship with…

[@myrnaskogland1268]

As a straight, Christian woman thank you for your sharing truth, it helps me to understand what compassion to my fellowman is, their pain, their fear. I don't understand that fear, but I acknowledge our sexuality may be different, but we are still family. These Podcasts are very honest and helpful.

[@hattswank5313]

Compelling content. This is one of the best episodes in a while.

[@stephaniecarlson6689]

I am an Anglican Christian Woman who was in a Marriage that was a Hetrosexual Commitment. Abuse in every sence! I held on, regarding my Christian beliefs however that did me more harm - with my then Husband. Kyle & Jamie, I applaud you both, please be proud ❤❤ How exciting is your future, woweeee! Geee, I am soooh happy for you all. Thank you John, your fabulous Host of course ❤

[@tandinevills9327]

Utah raised Orthodox Morman. I've cried on and off for this entire broadcast. One of the most beautiful stories I've been privileged to hear.

[@dimeni5]

As a straight 8 year ex mormon, I saw so many parallels with my own journey out of the church and it was hard enough as a straight woman. I felt crushed by the two faces I was wearing. I cannot even fathom how much harder it must be when you have this whole not only identity crisis but also ssa and all that encompasses. I think Jamie was so brave to give you both permission to want something better and you are so brave to speak so poignantly about your journey. Love and light.

[@Havvyer]

Kyle's every gay man's dream with good taste in men! 💖 The part that hit home the hardest for me was the November 2015 Policy: I allowed myself to be baptized being hella gay (that's fab... haha) in January that year, only to remain active in the church 'til May or something, with an attempt to come back in October... and the policy change came into place the following month!! I would've been FURIOUS to come back to a church that'd consider me apostate in a spiritually criminal fashion!! There went my Salvation from such an mental atrocity!! Happy to know Kyle's happier than ever with his family in 2 homes!

[@celsossuk]

This story in particular will be in my heart and memory like no other. And it was told in the most sincere and pure way. Brought back some old dark place when I was an active Mormon member. Than you guys so much to sare it to the world and show that people just want and need to be loved no matter what. Thank you. 💜

[@vscarante]

The truth will set you free. What amazing moment when his wife founds out about his feelings and they are able to finally discuss it openly. It is beautiful to hear how his wife showed unconditional love and how this finally led them to be authentic, truth and genuine. Thanks for sharing your experience Kyle and kudos to your wife Jamie on how she handled it. It seems both are now free and living their truth.

[@pennydavis9494]

I lost my best friend in 2015. It was a disagreement on this matter. It wasn't just families. This man was like a father to me. We had been close for 8years. He saved my life. Very restrictive to many,many people. Devistating!! Teen sucucide hit all time high.

[@kyliesmith729]

One of the most touching and heartfelt Mormon stories I have seen. Thank you.

Kyle's metaphor about the bird and the fish at shore made me cry! Much love to all of you from Brazil❤

[@hazeelise]

wow. I'm not a Mormon, but I am a queer person from a fundamentalist Christian family that has a very similar approach to queer people. listening to this has been really helpful and meaningful to me.

[@PeterShieldsukcatstripey]

You deserve unconditional love Kyle.

[@wendyellsworth8443]

Part one was Amazing. Cannot wait for part 2. Thank you for your willingness to be open and share. You’re such an inspiration!

[@dennismolloy4297]

Gee, Kyle, what a tear-jerker --------------------- when you started to break down those 2 times in this Part 2, I had tears with you. I'm impressed by your decency, refraining from seeing any man or men while your marriage was still intact. And I think your attitude toward that North Star "cuddling" event was correct, and your rejection of the idea of doing that behind the back of wives was right-on. I wish you every good thing ahead, because what I hear from you and see in you on the screen is an exceptionally decent man!

[@andrewstewart-cook2185]

Brilliant interview. What a beautiful and sad story. Kyle I have heard many of your podcasts and admired your work. I was reared LDS but rejected that faith. I came out at age 68 after the death of my beloved wife. I have such admiration for you and your bravery. Thank you for paving a better road for new generations of LGBT LDS youth. God bless you. You're comments about problems with the LDS and current revelation that doesn’t seem to exist because of various missteps. God bless and preserve you for your efforts.

[@Richard-ky9lf]

This podcast is a game changer. Phenomenal content with a kindness that is palpable. Congratulations to both of you.

[@Steve-the-Reiki-guy]

I'm listening to this at work, and wow. It's hitting deep! Very moved by the story. So happy for Kyle and his family finding ways to successfully navigate towards real happiness!

[@Argelius1]

This is easily the most profound thing I've ever watched on KZbin. John is a brilliant interviewer and Kyle is a truly extraordinary human being and communicator.

[@luvbearbut]

I had an ironically amazing thought process through this interview. My thoughts through a lot of part 1 were how naive his ex wife must of been through most of their marriage. How wonderful and surprised to learn in part 2 that she turned out to be the most compassionate and intelligent person in the room!! So much so that she was able to give it to him.

[@debbie5876]

Wow, as a non-gay, non-LDS, mother with straight children, this was the best program I have ever heard, and I have to admit I cried. Kyle's former wife is a saint and I can tell Kyle is a great man and father. My heart bled for Kyle and the pain he felt much of his life. Every person has to work out his or her own salvation with Christ and it is not my job to judge others how they live their personal lives as long as they are not committing crimes. This is where the church is letting people down. God bless Kyle, his former wife, children, and any significant other Kyle may be with. Let Kyle know for us who do not use Facebook, we would love to see him on You Tube. Thank you Kyle and Mormon Stories for airing this program.

[@juliepeck3523]

Amazing from an an ex wife of a LDS gay man. He and I both deserve a fulfilling relationship. One family two homes. Absolutely amazing.

[@maryanntownsend2889]

God bless you Kyle. I listened to both parts and I’m so,impressed with your story.❤️

[@helenfong3339]

Kyle, your story is gut-wrenching. As I listened to you, I kept thinking how kind you are. You have a beautiful soul. I hope you have all the blessings that God will give you.

[@interwebsolutions3752]

Such a powerful message and testimony of life. Much respect for the courage to share, such vulnerability and transparency. Whether you agree or not with his position or choices. I have such respect for this man for sharing his story and taking us through understanding the conflicts many face in this life. John also hats of to you, Your questions helped me understand the conflicts he faced during in crisis and the transitional aspects of his life.

[@stevenparkin6486]

Kyle gave an excellent interview; he is positive and articulate, gave clear information without guile, optimistic in the face of pain.

[@kyleashworth5158]

Thank you, Steven.

[@samanthaporter8534]

Thank you for this! I listened to the whole thing today. Your voice helps so many that are going through the same thing. Your strength has a ripple effect!

[@Maryculligan]

Im from a gayish family. So many of the men want children but don’t have children. He’s a blessed man. Love his story.

[@michellebrown5566]

Amazing story of unconditional love shown by Kyles wife to him in releasing him from his marriage!

[@teresapitman1659]

Once again, a really amazing interview. Thank you so much for these stories.

[@anthonydurling4093]

What purity of emotion, had me in tears

[@danielely3807]

Kyle's story is in a way universal. Sure it happened within the Mormom church, but the struggle is thr same in any religious and societal context.... As a closeted gay man (non-mormon) who struggles every day to see the light, I could relate so much

[@vaunniethayer1484]

It took a lot of courage for his wife to say it’s time to let go, she gave him a huge gift.

[@pinkringo222]

what a powerful testimony from this man! the love and support from his wife is beyond admirable. a true, genuine, remarkable act of human love.

[@loiswair9273]

I watched and listened with great intensity. My heart bled for you and now smiles with you. I'm neither Mormon nor gay. But another marginalized citizen. Methodist in practice , I was taught early that we humans were given something that sets us apart. That is the ability to think and reason. Many people find it hard to believe that I reject many biblical stories since I profess my love for God and Jesus Christ. Remembering th game of "Gossip" or "Telephone" you realize how after years and years of "folklore" these stories meant to teach lessons and been embellished and become real. God's word to us is the love our neighbor as our self. Our duty is toGod then to man.

[@dicooop]

Fabulous interview!! Looking forward to number 3!!! Be blessed!!!

[@cathyswaim1457]

What a brave man! Very educational for me as a non morman.

[@galbulbul]

What a ride it was! Here I am Polish Catholic listening to MSP and Kyle's story, holding my breath to not burst into tears. Such a lovely Guy and Gay:) all best to him and his family. Thank you John for this wonderful episode! I would love to bring zucchinis for him and his family, that's for sure😇

[@merriecampbell-lee7802]

I think this is the best Mormon Stories podcast I've listened to, and I've listened to hundreds of breathtakingly awesome stories. Thank you, Kyle. I want the whole world to hear your story .You're so credible and good. I want your wife to know I am in awe of her too. Hope she too finds her happiest life.

[@kyleashworth5158]

What a beautiful compliment. Thank you. And please share! My exwife is indeed a wonderful person and I’m grateful to have a friendship with her through such an emotional journey.

[@theitineranthistorian2024]

wow! kyle is fortunate to have disassembled major components of his life with so much elegance. financial considerations are always in the forefront of family, whatever the circumstances. go kyle and family!

[@UpMyInfluence]

This is really a heartbreaking story to listen. Many thanks for sharing this podcast,🙏

[@barbieqsumm]

Wow. This is so inspiring. Thank you Kyle for sharing your story.❤️

[@susanmark2000]

Boom. Hours of mesmerizing interview, two parts. I've been listening to Kyle's podcast and it was really great to hear more of his own story. Thanks you, gentlemen.

[@saffronhammer7714]

He and his wife are such beautiful people.

[@leahkelley8254]

Im so glad John brought it back to how it affected HER as well. In these stories the other seems to get shoved to the side. Im glad her pain was acknowledged as well.

[@MB-wz3xk]

The whole first part I was thinking, I hope they stop and have lunch because I noticed this is two parts and I would love to hear this through knowing they had full stomachs and their needs met to continue this conversation. Mormon Stories is the best podcast because the whole story can be told, no matter how many hours it takes. I listen over a few days if I don't catch the live. Thank you

[@jamierayadams]

Ironic that I felt the Spirit more times in this discussion (4 hours) than in 10 hours of the past General Conference)! That is sad.

[@kyleashworth5158]

Love this! Thank you for sharing.

[@janetrussell2908]

Thanks so much for ministering to many of us from other conservative denominations! God bless you.

[@genxis6097]

This is a beautiful story of true love and grace. It's messy and difficult and sad, but in the end, LOVE WINS. Thank you for sharing, Kyle. You are a lovely human. ❤

[@mostlyvoid.partiallystars]

Kyle and Jamie you each are amazing. How wonderful that you had each other, and that difficult but healing honesty. Jamie I hope you are thriving, and I hope the same for yalls whole family ❤️ Your kids are so blessed to have parents willing to be brave enough to live in truth!

[@sparklegushinfinity]

I just finished this second part. Wow, what a journey. Two absolutely beautiful sensitive and intelligent people. Unconditional love is something I am extremely excited about, and Kyles examples of his experiences with unconditional love very much stood out to me as key elements of this whole story. So beautiful from start to finish, so insightful, so rich. From a fluid everything Irish person who simply adores humanity and the infinite joy of learning more 💓

[@prettylights482]

What an incredible journey. Thank you for sharing, Kyle. So inspiring and such an unconventional and strikingly beautiful love story. We should all be so lucky to have anyone in our lives who'll sacrifice as much as you and your ex-wife had for each other. You sound like you both deserve all the happiness and love in the world and you spread it by telling your story. I'm a NeverMo who realized at 35, while in a committed relationship with a divorced JackMo, that I had spent my entire life denying the fact that I wasn't ever meant to be with men. I foolishly thought that my ex would take that news more easily than if I had broken us up to be with other men. It was a disaster. And I had finally allowed myself to realize who I really was, yet it was so inconvenient and I wanted so badly for the real me to just go away. So I can kind of relate; and I admire you for doing the hardest things and then being willing to tell all of us that we are not alone. Edit: I almost forgot! The Giver changed my life entirely as well, when it was part of my assigned reading in elementary school! I still read it just about every year; and it's just as meaningful to me every single time. 😌

[@BatmansKiss]

So much heart and respect. Amazing story. Thank you for being so vulnerable.

[@taylorkeng]

Kyle, I have followed a similar path to yours (LDS birth, mission, marriage & children). I took particular note of your conversation about being "selfish" - or "self-centered." When my strong-willed and career-oriented ex-wife and her family accused me of being "selfish," I gently corrected her (and her mother) by saying that, rather, I was being "self-directed." (I don't like the negative connotation of "self-centered.") I asked her why I could not also be self-directed, just like she was. She had no response at the time. But post-divorce, we both followed our own directions. Hence, self-directed works better for us.

[@bodytrainer1crane730]

This is one of my FAVORITE Mormon Stories episodes!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@saffronhammer7714]

“Children aren’t guilty of the sins of their parents.” Makes perfect sense But then why the need for Jesus to redeem mankind from the sins of Adam &Eve? I mean, I’m fine with the concept of not being guilty for the actions of others, but it is the foundation of Christianity, which I’m also fine without.

[@hyrumgomez3969]

I think the doctrine of the Latter Day Saints is that no one is guilty for Adam and eves transgressions but rather for their very own. Thus the need for Jesus to redeem mankind anyway.

[@saffronhammer7714]

Even though Romans 5:12 says “ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” ? According to Bible humans were perfect and would continue to be so if not for Adam and Eve.... I have no horse in the race but it’s seems quite clear in the Bible in many scriptures. I think it’s all absurd and unloving and nonsensical. I guess it’s just another flavor .

[@lisamcdonald2877]

Thank you for saying what I have thought most of my life. It never made sense to me that one ManGod could make everything wrong anyone ever did (or ever will do) alright by volunteering to be killed. I wouldn't exist for another 2000 years, so how was Jesus dying my fault? That part is what kept me from ever being baptized or officially labeling myself "Christian". I value much of Christ's teachings, but I just can't do the "blood of the lamb" dogma.

[@SaffronHammer]

@@lisamcdonald2877 there are some good nuggets in the teachings of Jesus--most of which are not original to him--and some nor great stuff. I value the ability to pick and choose and to reject the overall message of my unworthiness.

[@SaffronHammer]

@@lisamcdonald2877 there are some good nuggets in the teachings of Jesus--most of which are not original to him--and some nor great stuff. I value the ability to pick and choose and to reject the overall message of my unworthiness.

[@sedonarose7563]

I always tell people I divorced the church. I don’t resonate with “resigning.”

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

Woah, she really took you out that hamster wheel. I guess she respected herself and you so much that she couldn't do it anymore.

[@creativechaos6766]

This was so moving. It was and is very emotional. I'm a christian and belong to the lbgtq+ community. I have lived most of my life as a straight woman. Until my married life fell apart. I don't go to church anymore but I have never lost my belief system.

[@kyleashworth5158]

Thank you for this! One point I should have brought up is something you mentioned in this comment. I didn’t have to sacrifice my morals or values to live authentically. I am still a good person, in fact, I feel that I’m better because of it.

[@esthermuroff8532]

Please interview Kyle’s ex-wife. Also, bring Kyle back for another interview.

[@oliviae2176]

Thank you Kyle for sharing. A beautifully done podcast.. I feel grateful to have come across it by mistake. I learned so much

[@vickicon5559]

This is such an important message and so well explained. All Church leaders should see this interview.

[@mattbrown2788]

Thank you so much for sharing your story!

[@uncleericrocks]

His kids are so fortunate to have such awesome parents!👍

[@emptybusseat]

“She was a bird and I was a fish”…. Wow. Beautiful analogy….

[@bgardunia]

This is the best Mormon stories interview in years. Great job.

[@ZeBeFruity]

i would love for jamie to be interviewed. in my mind she was an innocent victim and hero of this story.

[@mariettedemarest5173]

They both were victims.

[@nancyleejorgenson9523]

Me too. I have 3 dear friends here inSLC that were married to gay men. It was a terrible experience. All are divorced and none of the men accept any responsibility for knowingly marrying straight women and having children “if they didn’t find it repulsive enough to have intercourse. You have a lot of thinking to do about how that can affect an innocent woman. If she can find it in her heart and soul to forgive him she is a better person than I! The church has denied that they counsel men to do this any more. I think the women should sue the church.

[@timhazeltine3256]

@@nancyleejorgenson9523 How about the responsibility of a twisted church hierarchy that counciled these men to marry? And yes the women are victims but that is what happens when a church's theology is predicated on molding women into subservient beings with a lack of critical thinking skills.

[@katbos4995]

Kyle was a victim of the church’s lies, speaking for god, saying gays can be changed if they mission-marry-kids.

[@parkercushingable]

John, I'm a non mormon but my uncle and family are part of the church community in Arizona. Though we are fairly close to them there is always a difference there because we aren't part of the church. Despite this I've always found the phenomena of Mormonism fascinating. You have an incredible gift of bringing out the most powerful podcast interviews. What would it look like to have full equality for lgbtq people in the church?

[@SidrahEsmael]

Wow, just watched both parts and what a beautiful story...I have no words! Kyle is truly a remarkable person, and it is with no doubt that his ex-wife is as well! Keep up with this amazing work as always, MSP

[@sebragagnon1080]

"If we wanna talk about things being unnatural. That my relationship with my partner is unnatural, then so is walking on water. That's unnatural also, but it doesn't make it wrong." Such a powerful statement to me.

[@gibb_farmer113]

This is one of the best podcasts that I’ve listened to! I don’t even know how to put into words how it made me feel, but thank you for sharing!

[@JustFun-ze5pk]

What an incredible interviewer and a more amazing interview!

[@susanjoyce8053]

I wonder if Northstar would give alcoholics liquor? Cuddle parties? really?

[@kyleashworth5158]

This is a great comment. And it’s true. In BYU’s days of aversion therapy, they used to show gay BYU students straight porn to incite feelings of sexual arousal. The cuddle parties still don’t make sense to me. It’s just feeding the monster only to starve him tomorrow.

[@sweettea527]

My thoughts exactly. Seems like it is more destructive than helpful.

[@Peachesflower3863]

Gosh such an heartbreaking story. Religious institutions need to change their attitudes towards LGBTQ individuals. Their rhetoric is so harmful.

[@angelamurphy9472]

Where’s the evidence that there IS a next life? Live your truth because you only get one shot at living. I love the need for self-care! Thanks for sharing your story.

[@tracygrist9828]

True.

[@Arturo-f7e]

Amazing story, so honest and parallel to the truth! I went through s lot that kind of stuff in Utah! I relate to the whole thing!

[@j.ahlberg2058]

I am so happy for Kyle and his family.

[@sjordan7085]

Kyle is a very eloquent speaker, I enjoyed hearing his life story and experiences. Reminds me of living in SLC years ago, and working for a dentist whose son, also a dentist was gay. I was paid to accompany him to a Dental Convention. It felt uncomfortable, being introduced as a 'girlfriend.'