The Tower of Babel and Mormon Scripture I Ep. 1626 | LDS Discussions Ep. 13

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

More than anything else, apologists are very successful at pointing out the pointlessness of prophets. If any consistent themes can be detected in Mormon apologetics, they include the following: (1) Prophets can preach, for decades and even across generations, things that are untrue and this is never a serious problem; (2) Whether a prophet was speaking as a prophet at any given time cannot be conclusively determined, even if the prophet claimed to be pronouncing truth and doctrine when speaking and, instead, it is up to subsequent generations to legalistically split hairs as to whether a prophet's utterances should be counted as doctrine and such hair splitting usually is done in response to unavoidable facts that make the relevant prophet's utterances seem quite dumb and embarrassing to said subsequent generations; (3) Prophets have no responsibility for correcting errors and false doctrines that are widely promulgated throughout the church and in official church publications, in full view of the prophets and often under their direct supervision and monitoring, for decades and even generations and even official headings in official books of canonized scripture can be ignored if inconvenient, even though the prophets have been aware of them and approved them and never bothered to correct them in any timely manner; (4) Prophets have no accountability to any of their followers for anything and they cannot lead their followers astray because they have said that they can't lead their followers astray, but that doesn't mean that everything they say has to be true and correct because Adam CAN be God until he is not and never was God, and all Pacific Islanders and Native Americans ARE Lamanites until they are not, and if you're not good at playing "Prophet Says"/"Simon Says" you'll never fit in as an inhabitant of the "Kingdom of God".

[@jorgitosalazar38]

👋👋👋👋👋👋👋very accurate description of the Mormon belief on modern " prophets"

[@scottduede8134]

@44:30 Ooh, ooh; I'm a linguist! I actually gave this lecture to a class at the University of Utah (2012 iirc!) I could toootally provide my babble 'bout the Babel!

[@JoshuaGreyJensen]

Email them! We want to see that!

[@phrog849]

53:00 What's crazy is Plato was able to give us an extremely accurate time for his great flood, "9000 years before Solon" (600 BCE), which would be 9,600 BCE. This time is commonly accepted by scientists as the acceleration of glacial retreat that resulted in coastal flooding around the world. Depending on where he got his information, oral tradition would have needed to carry it most of that time. During his time, the flood story was considered true history, not myth.

[@philsphan4414]

Well there were big local floods. People witnessed the Black Sea forming. That’s quite a story.

[@larryballard4475]

Nice epic podcast boys. Regarding FAITH which Tim explained nicely. Now consider what Kant said. In his Critique of Pure Reason, he distinguished among three degrees of belief and assent: Opinion, which admits that it is both subjectively and objectively insufficient, FAITH, which is subjectively but not objectively sufficient, and finally, KNOWLEDGE, which is both subjectively and objectively sufficient. I would suggest that Tim is working in the arena of KNOWLEDGE by compiling syllogistic chains of evidence using critical thinking skills that reek of common sense and logical thought patterns. This is so very refreshing. Thanks a lot.

[@barb9465]

Great episode! Looking forward to the upcoming episodes!

[@bradlong7941]

Not me. I made it to the 12:58 minute mark. I'm done with this weak tea series. I am reading the Book of Mormon for the first time in my life as a senior citizen. If all I get is the Bible stories are mythology, hence everything else is too.....well, time is more valuable than money.

[@jenniannefer]

I remember, when I was in 1st or 2nd grade, living in Alaska, we were learning about myth/origin stories as they played such a big role in the Inuit culture. We were given an assignment to write and illustrate our own idea for a myth and I chose to explain 'How the Sea Got Salty'. The result was a story about a tanker ship full of salt (intended for all the moose and deer) that ignored dire warnings of a coming storm, the inevitable ship wreck, and spillage of its cargo into a previously fresh water ocean. I'm thinking now that maybe I should demand inclusion in Genesis! 😄

[@JP-JustSayin]

Examinations like this, which dismantle "literalism", are so important in making a space for metaphorical faith positions and secularism. Nice work!

[@bonojennett]

Agreed.

[@lelandunruh7896]

I mean, Saint Augustine was talking about this to some extent in 426 AD; it ain't new!

[@UmWhaaat]

24:18 oh wow! That puzzle piece just clicked in!

[@adamholloway7963]

For the apologetic that the reference in Ether about the Jaredites and the Tower may be referencing a different Tower, the following from the current Come Follow Me Old Testament Manual clearly demonstrates that, per this Church approved Source, the Tower referenced in Ether is explicitly linked to the Tower of Babel story in Genesis 11. “Genesis 11:1-9. It might be helpful to read Ether 1:33-43 as your family studies Genesis 11 and learns about the Tower of Babel.” (January 31-February 6. Genesis 6-11; Moses 8: “Noah Found Grace in the Eyes of the Lord”, Come, Follow Me, Individuals and Families, Old Testament 2022) *Edit. Here's another one: “God was not happy that the people were building the tower. He changed their language so that they could not understand each other. Because they could not understand each other, they had to stop building the tower. Genesis 11:6-8; Ether 1:33" (The Tower of Babel, Come, Follow me, Individuals and Families, Old Testament Stories, Genesis 11)

[@function0077]

Michael Ash's apologetics are garbage. The chapter heading of Ether 1 states, in part, "The language of the Jaredites is not confounded at the Tower of Babel". Also, footnote b of Ether 1:3 for the word tower references Genesis 11:1-9. If Ether chapter 1 is not referring to the tower of Babel, then Michael Ash's own church seems to have completely missed this memo.

[@mormonstories]

Great source! Thanks for pointing this one out

[@OuttaMyMind911]

@@randyjordan5521 Always have a backup in case the first one fails.

[@chrissessions6108]

Fascinating. I didn't know that there were only ~150 people involved in the tower of Babel story. It just goes to show that Genesis faces a similar predicament as "the incredible shrinking Lamanite." To maintain that Genesis is a literal history, you have to demote it to being reflective of only a tiny group of people surrounded on every side by large, thriving populations that were entirely unaffected by those events.

[@monus782]

As an ex-Catholic nevermo I’ve noticed the same being done to the Exodus story by apologetics in other churches since it also suffers from the same lack of evidence as with the Nephites (also if Moses never existed then the part where he appears with Jesus on Mark 9:2-8 for example makes no sense and that hurts the credibility of the Gospels if you hold to Biblical infallibility like most conservative Christians do)

[@lizzieb19450]

Loving this as a nevermo atheist! So wonderful!

[@JBJones66]

Randy Bell said that exmormons dismiss the Bible without doing their homework well I hope he’s watching this series. Here’s the homework Randy.

[@johnsmitty9295]

Without the Tower of Babel you also would not have the climactic battle on and around the Hill Cumorah in Joseph's back yard where over 2,000,000 men, women and children of the Jeredites were killed. A minor point.

[@alexandrorocca7142]

The main argument against this myth is the pathological need for God to have people share the same beliefs and worship him. That's quite difficult to achieve if people don't understand their neighbors. When the Conquistadores tried to convert people from Central and South America, they resorted to violence because the natives didn't understand who Yahweh and Jesus were and why they should care. If that fable were true, it would be the main reason why most people on Earth have never heard of the Bible for millennia. This story reeks of xenophobia to high heaven.

[@h_nt_r]

I’m a former Mormon and atheist, but one major fact that doesn’t seem to mentioned here is that there is technically physical evidence of a “tower” in the original ancient city of Babylon. Or the better term would be a “ziggurat”. Look up “Etemenanki”. Some people believe that the myth of the Tower of Babel is simply a story about how when the ancient Jews who were enslaved by the Babylonians, they were being introduced to new cultures and languages they had never experienced before because of the Babylonian Empires reach around the known world. Thus, there came the Jewish scholars who used the actual tower they saw as a symbolic explanation of the primitive multiculturalism they were experiencing.

[@pioneercynthia1]

That's covered starting at 17:38 (ish).

[@billgoedecke2265]

I am enjoying these presentations although I am not Mormon. Prob not worth commenting but - I find the Tower of Babel myth to be meaningful cause I think it has to do with people turning away from each other and from our common and divine Consciousness where stone is truth and brick is man-made - a way of referring to ego - and as man turns away from truth he/her is confounded and can no longer understand others because he/her can no longer perceive the common Consciousness and thus falls from grace. I can’t believe people take it literally. Also I figure these stories were written down by priests or people like that so the stories will be about religious/spiritual stuff.

[@jillwhite4398]

Maybe I'm weird, Mike, but I'd rather talk about this stuff than polygamy any day😊. Love looking for anachronisms and love talking/learning about Sumer and Babylon. Thanks for this!

[@johngalsworthy789]

What's the white stone in Rev2? A pebble of the beach, or something we would expect to be more significant from the creator BUT A STONE NEVERTHELESS, JOHN

[@stevemitchell8267]

Love these episodes, but Mike and John are dead wrong about the Tower of Babel not being historical. I've seen it many times. It's the 28 story Mormon church office building on Temple square. More babel comes out of the building than out of the mouth of Brad Wilcox.

[@tawnyachristensen7310]

Can't wait for the next one! Great job guys!

[@pioneercynthia1]

Oh. My. Joseph! 😂 Getting a linguist! I'd be all over that. Get one that's Mormon and one that's not, to see if there's any differences. Maybe have Mike and Nemo, too. That'd be a great time.

[@raquelbelnap7252]

The concept of Hell, which is NOT in the Bible but a construct of 16th century Christians, was my big red flag. I had others

[@blairmcian]

Good summary around 37:30 of what apologists do. How anyone can engage in apologetics, much less accept the term "apologist" for themself, is beyond me.

[@raquelbelnap7252]

Your podcast NEEDS Robert Edward Grant, former missionary, total Renaissance man, discovering new math, spending time researching in the pyramids Nd finding things never before discovered, author of polymath and Philomath. He taught the new discovered math to the Dali Lama and the pope. He has an understanding of the origins of the Bible and the ancient texts, sacred geometry, the stars, etc, that are mind blowing

[@kirielbranson4843]

Why didn't he explain the math to mathematicians? This description seems a bit broad and woo woo, like he pulled a bunch of stuff out of his a$$. But, I could be wrong. I am just pretty skeptical of one guy making a bunch of discoveries. Science never works that way. If a scientist brings forth more than a few new facts in his lifetime they are extraordinarily. And usually they are all in the same discipline. Obviously newton and a few others are exceptions. Maybe this guy is like that but if he isn't working with scientists and being peer reviewed I doubt it.

[@SpartacusMA1]

​@@kirielbranson4843 yep, he's talking out of his ass. Managed to find his website and Instagram page. Just another one of those self aggrandizing gurus who is involved in a bunch of woo.

[@MsCaterific]

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[@davethebrahman9870]

Joseph Smith was the Bob Lazar of the nineteeth century. He knew a pack of rubes when he saw one.

[@polyglot6542]

As I come to the conclusion that the Bible is a book created by men who wanted to believe and wrote a series of fables and stories that were intended to have a moral lesson. All religions elaborate all this supposed truths based on myths and selling them as the word of God.

[@workermannamrekrow2768]

No audio at 16:42

[@monus782]

I think this is where Mormonism really branches off from mainstream Christianity because I’ve never met any Christian who takes this story literally except the most fundamentalist ones, back in high school when I was already starting to become more conservative in my theology as a Catholic I made a report for an art class about this very subject and even back then I figured was supposed to be a fable poking fun of the ziggurats and the Babylonians who held the authors captive. Sure, it might be a bit problematic if you really believe in Biblical infallibility and all of that but I imagine many theologians can explain this one away as a metaphor or parable of sorts. Currently reading the BoM out of curiosity and decided to skip to Ether because that’s supposed to be chronologically the first one afaik and I’m thinking Joseph really painted himself into a corner with this one because now you have to explain why there’s lack of evidence for two mass casualty events (the other one being the Nephites) but as you pointed in other episodes it was easier for him to get away with it back then because it wasn’t as easy to fact check, I think he was a brilliant storyteller and had I been a farmer without education back then I might have believed his claims.

[@sheliabryant3997]

Further to tower/temple/zigs, had a look at Dubai lately? Sometimes I wonder what time Genesis is describing

[@johnmichaelson9173]

It's fiction so you can find something about everything but really it's something about nothing. 🙂

[@Geospasmic]

I never realized jow few people were alive when the Tower of Babel story happened. In my head it was thousands of people, but looking at that passage it's like if everybody at one Walmart tried to build a tower to heaven with stuff in the store 😂

[@michaelhromanik9753]

I've stumbled across this site when I was looking up information on the "Exvangelical" movement. I know a little about Mormonism stemming from my college roommate back in the early 80's (Oklahoma State University) being visited by "Missionaries" to be pressured by his Dad into converting. He eventually did convert. But they gave me the spiel too, so I did my own research and learned about how they were all going to become gods, that they knew the specific star that God was from, that Independence Mo. (my hometown) was the site of the original Garden of Eden.......They weren't mentioning any of these items, and to me they were clearly bizarre beliefs. They did admit to me though they were actual Mormon beliefs. So now 40 years on and I'm listening in to your videos and reading the comments. And I'm seeing this flood of people being shocked by only just learning that it's all nonsense. I'm struck by the differences between this and the "exvangelicals", who are being driven out by the hate and active rejection of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ by the churches they've spent their lives in. The teachings of Jesus Christ are spot on. It's the right wing "evangelical" churches who are rejecting it, but still claiming they are "Christians." But the Ex-Mormon process involves being "woke up" to the reality that it's all B.S. Joseph Smith/Brigham Young were just grifters/charlatans who made good. They got money, absolute power, and the ability to openly sleep with lot's of women. How is this not known by an educated membership in modern society? It seems to me that the Mormon Church Infrastructure and operations must be based entirely on maintaining their cash cow and keeping the money flowing, whatever it takes. I see parallels with the hard, uncomfortable reality that much of the Roman Catholic infrastructure and operations was about concealing, supporting, and supplying child molesters.

[@chrissessions6108]

Mike is correct that the Urim and Thummim that was allegedly buried with the gold plates is attributed to the Jaredites. Joseph Fielding Smith: “That the Urim and Thummim, or two stones, given to the brother of Jared were those in the possession of Mosiah appears evident from Book of Mormon teachings. The Brother of Jared was commanded to seal up his writings of the vision he had when Christ appeared to him, so that they could not be read by his people. This vision was in a language which was confounded, for it was not to go forth until after the resurrection of Christ. The Urim and Thummim were also sealed up so that they could not be used for the purpose of interpreting those sacred writings of this vision, until such a time as the Lord should grant to man to interpret them. When they were to be revealed, they were to be interpreted by the aid of the same Urim and Thummim. . . . “Joseph Smith received with the breastplate and the plates of the Book of Mormon, the Urim and Thummim, which were hid up by Moroni to come forth in the last days as a means by which the ancient record might be translated, which Urim and Thummim were given to the Brother of Jared.” (Doctrines of Salvation 3:224.)

[@phrog849]

7:26 The text in this chapter is a genealogy, it is saying this is how the nations are divided, then the next chapter is describing how it happened. It isn't saying there are languages before the Tower of Babel, things aren't always sequential in the text.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

But in the real World we know that most different nations already spoke different tongues. And the people who put the Pentateuch together had this information. So how can we believe anything that's in the Bible?

[@workermannamrekrow2768]

I love discussion and investigation about things that I used to take for granted or take at it's word.

[@bookermoron2409]

Is it true that the Mormon Church is releasing a new propaganda movie ripping on Snow White entitled Mormonism and the 15 Dwarfs filmed in the Tower of Mormon on Temple Square?

[@workermannamrekrow2768]

Why did Joseph Smith like to put. "highly favored of the Lord " in much of his fiction?

[@Mon-Alisa]

It’s a good question. Doesn’t the Bible say that God is not a respecter of persons? I’m guessing the apologetic response would just redefine what “favored” means to whatever suits their needs. 🤷‍♀️

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

It started out as a kind of peepstone "typo". The original phrase was "highly flavored of the Lord". But there was a fly on the stone when that phrase came up and Joe thought that the phrase was "highly favored". As a result of that error, entire chapters about other Book of Mormon peoples were omitted because Joseph Smith couldn't make sense of things. There were the Strawrberiyites, the Mochamintites, the Lemonlimeites and the Bluberiberiswirlites. They were all righteous peoples, and smelled sweet unto the Lord. But among the highly flavored people, there were also the Badbeeohites, the Dogduduites, the Dirtidiyaperites and the Rottensushiites. And all of their deeds were as a horrendous stench unto the Lord. Joseph Smith had attempted to include a record of the aforementioned highly flavored peoples initially, but that was contained in the lost 116 pages and, subsequently, he just decided that their history was not meant to be told to the people of this modern era. Brigham Young had some knowledge concerning the highly flavored people of the Lord and attempted to introduce some of their admirable innovations into the Mormon community in the form of a program known as the "United Odor". There was even a town named in honor of this, called "Odorville". I will provide scholarly citations for all of the above at a later date.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

Watching this a year later. It was only supposed to be 40-50 eps?😅 Really?😂

[@esmesjitters1849]

I loved the glowing stones

[@ginafrancis4950]

Phenomenal work Mike! You are a national treasure. This series has been incredibly insightful for putting together the puzzle pieces of the NOT so true “truth” claims of Mormonism. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!😍

[@philsphan4414]

The authors of the Noah stories did a pretty good job of recognizing fellow speakers of Semitic languages and saying they were descended from Shem. They knew that south of them, they spoke completely different languages, they were descended from Ham. In the north, they knew Hittites who spoke an Indo European language, Japheth. But then they come up with this Babel story. Because they didn’t care about being exactly accurate. They were collecting stories. It wasn’t until 19th century American kooks that we had to twist ourselves into pretzels defending literalism and attacking science.

[@deannapowell7237]

Thank you!! This is awesome.

[@KentMcCaulley]

God not having invented us yet is one of the wonkiest parts of The Bible's relationship with disabled people

[@johnmichaelson9173]

lols great comment.👏I bet there'd be Disabled Access in the Tower of Babel & that's what pissed God off. 😉

[@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843]

Everyone should go read 1994’s ‘our strengths can become our downfall.’ By Dallin H Oaks, there’s like a billion places where you can point out hypocrisy lol.

[@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843]

The section ‘an intense focus on our goals’ I think is especially pertinent to the current leadership’s behavior

[@kera9389]

I’ve never considered the Tower of Babel to be true and being Mormon my entire childhood I’ve n never understood the implication of it in the church. 🤯 my mother thinks this is entirely real and it’s so infuriating because I just ask her… does it make sense. No. It doesn’t.

[@nate2skate265]

I was born into this church. It really messed me up. It should be called the LSD church because these people are tripping

[@JP-JustSayin]

If there really was a second tower of babel (a "real" one in contrast to the mythical one) then why do both records each only reference one of them or the other? ... why does neither record hint that there are 2 babels?

[@michaeldavis146]

One and 2 towers were destroyed , then one and 2 towers were rebuilt . Now there's Babylon the great , I believe that was over there in the middle east . The first katabol in heaven occured at the tri-state intersect in Oklahoma, thatswhen og was trying to build the tower of Babel with the 150 was it .

[@michaeldavis146]

God pounded Babel in the ground three times , there's only 2 towers standing. Yet there were six towers throughout recent history . 5 in the United States since the 1870's. thereabouts.

[@workermannamrekrow2768]

To 18:23

[@Moksha-Raver]

Enshrining a fanciful Babel story as literal Mormon scripture seems ludicrous in hindsight. Like painting ourselves into a corner with epoxy glue.

[@function0077]

This is why Mormonism is so much more fun from the outside looking in. It is fun to watch the church realize over and over again that they have painted themselves into a corner.

[@LazarWolf07]

Hey Mormon Voldemort, if you haven’t been reminded already in the comments, John Larsen has a degree in linguistics or something along those lines. So, he would be a valuable contribution to your idea of having a Linguist on to discuss the establishment and evolution of language timelines, etc.

[@blainefarnsworth5569]

Did Jesus perform miracles? Heal the blind and lame? Raise the dead? Defeat death and the grave? Yes He did. The difference between Jesus and a prophet is. Jesus is a Supreme being( God in the flesh) A prophet has a gift to speak out waht God

[@RalphAlder-db1iu]

What about the name of the brother of Jared?LOL

[@blainefarnsworth5569]

Speak out what God wants the Prophet to speak to the people. Prophets are not future tellers. Jesus gave us our future through prophets in revelation.

[@FFM115]

Apologists might as well dress up like clowns because that’s exactly what they look like when they use manipulative language to defend their point.

[@musketeerflyer]

Your argument for there being only 150 people on earth at the Tower of Babel is very one-sided. According to Hebrew and Greek scholar Robert Jamieson (A Commentary - Critical, Experimental, and Practical on The Old and New Testaments) the reference to Peleg whose name means "division" in Greek, does not refer to the Tower of Babel story but rather to a division of the earth into three partitions, and according to Hebrew chronology this occurred around the birth of Peleg, approximately 100 years after the flood. Other interpretations render the words as "to divide water courses" where canals were dug that divided land. (A Commentary p.118). The words used in the description of Babel are "confusion" and "scatter" rather than "divide" or "division". Therefore it is more likely the story of the Tower of Babel occurred much after the time of Peleg so that rather than there being 150 to 1,200 people (the estimates vary regarding the time of Peleg) to hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of people at the building of the tower. The technology in baking bricks would have also taken more time and resources than that available only 100 years from Noah. I believe the Book of Mormon is total nonsense, but using the Tower of Babel story to discredit the Book of Mormon doesn't hold much water.

[@blainefarnsworth5569]

How many years since Christ was born until today'? 2000years. How many years since Abraham lived until now? 5,000 or 15 thousand years? Until Adam and Eve? The earth's not as old as intelligent scholars and scientist believe it is.

[@lawrenceagnew3972]

Why would it be in God's word,if not true. So you must not be a true believer .

[@johnmichaelson9173]

You must be very well educated to have noticed that in episode 13 of the Mormon Stories Podcast. 🙂

[@blainefarnsworth5569]

You keep saying people 100 years after the world flood. The flood drowned all evil people in the world except for Noah and his family on the Ark. Not that many descendants born from Noah's family in only 100 year time lapse. I'm a Bible believer. There are great answers to solve your concerns about Bible contradictions. Not necessarily contradictions.

[@helorumtheknightsofmambrin2155]

The only historical Tower of Babel was in Joseph Smith's pants.

[@helorumtheknightsofmambrin2155]

@@markkrispin6944 My Urim and Thummin.

[@helorumtheknightsofmambrin2155]

@@markkrispin6944 Shhhh . . . Don't tell anyone, but I'm having a bromance with Joseph Smith's ghost. He is teaching me how, with a "Happiness Letter," to unsuccessfully seduce Nancy Rigdon.

[@workermannamrekrow2768]

Yes they are akin to paid expert witnesses.

[@blairmcian]

Even worse since expert witnesses are under oath and can be prosecuted for knowing misstatement. Apologists have no real accountability since fantastical theories to the point of dishonesty are what they are supposed to supply!

[@valeriegriner5644]

Joseph Smith was a master plagiarist and story-teller...that's for sure!

[@t-pain3343]

Have Louis Midgley come on

[@mormonstories]

I’d love that. Maybe.

[@crisantocabrerajr.8540]

This channel is more appropriately renamed Anti-Mormon Stories... Im grateful i stumbled upon David's KZbin Channel Deighting in Lds Truth & Exposing Anti Lds Lies

[@Chapman1886]

When members, who seek and discover the truth and historical (in)accuracy of the BoM, are labeled anti-Mormon, it reflects incredibly poorly on the Mormon accusers, who would rather be ignorant and judgmental, than want to learn about the truth claims of the Church they belong to.

[@Chapman1886]

When members, who seek the truth and uncover the inaccuracies of the BoM are labeled anti-Mormon, it reflects incredibly poorly on the Mormon accusers, who would rather be ignorant and judgemental, than want to learn about the truth claims, of the church they belong to. Ignorance in spite of overwhelming evidence is not a virtue, but a choice. Especially apologist who know better, but choose to be blatantly dishonest, to keep members from learning the truth.

[@kirkharrington1508]

Spoiler alert: The Book of Mormon is mythical 😂

[@ret4kind]

Do Mormons really believe Jesus came to America as a Native American Indian? I can't really get behind a religion that supports Jesus being a brown person.

[@Rcplanecrasher]

Why don’t you like the idea of a brown skinned Jesus?

[@ret4kind]

@@Rcplanecrasher At the top of the list? I'd like to see BLK recover from its recent dip. Second? Orlando night clubs. Third? Texas Said sisters. Fourth? Anyone with self-respect has standards.

[@Zelph_undying]

@@Rcplanecrasher Lilly White, like lily-white hating on Middle East / fake Native American Jesus, gotta be a parody account, yeah?

[@Rcplanecrasher]

@@ret4kind I can’t make any sense out of your comment. Are you a real person?

[@function0077]

Mormons (i.e. those that believe the Book of Mormon is scripture) believe that Jesus (who was 1st century Jew from Palestine) visited the Native Americans after he was crucified and resurrected in Jerusalem. This is clearly articulated in the Book of Mormon in 3rd Nephi chapters 8 thru 11. Your comment is ignorant and racist. You might want to modify it or delete it. You can do better.

[@barb9465]

Great episode! Looking forward to the upcoming episodes!