Mortal Engines - The Curse of Size | Anatomy Of A Failure

[@chuckledarkly]

people not shooting when they have a clear shot is my biggest pet peeve in movies. god it pisses me off to no end.

[@Bloodhurl67]

While I think it does it as well in a way the John Wick series is just great in this type of thing.

[@mx2000]

And in this case the character already tried to kill this exact person before, and has even more reason to do so at this point in the film!

[@sandraday6955]

@@Bloodhurl67 Yeah John Wick the guy that takes 200 bullets a hammer and a pencil to kill 1 guy.

[@Bloodhurl67]

@@sandraday6955 "200" ???

[@comiccat4650]

And then there is the fact that Hester is not the kind of person to hesitate. She will hesitate when it comes to show her feelings but not when it comes to killing.

[@plaguedoctorravennotscp0496]

*I was constantly seeing ads for this and ended up forgetting it even existed*

[@jonashorn8354]

Hahaha same here

[@kyotheman69]

never heard of it, what ads?

[@hungder]

You are not the only one... even the TV comercials just made me think "this Trailer tells me nothing"

[@apocolototh1948]

@@hungder Even worse, the trailers started like 1 year before, and each one seemed to be for different storylines of the movie. That made the trailers seem completely unconnected and stopped any kind of hype-buildup

[@NcrXnbi]

To me it was backwards. I kind of wanted to see this film, only to hear later it was already released on theaters and I was like really? I seriously only saw one single trailer on KZbin about Mortal Engines, nothing else, not even promotion or publicity on stores or tv.

[@Slickpic1]

Kinda crazy how Mortal Engines feels like 3 movies condensed into one whereas The Hobbit is 1 story split into 3 movies. You ok Peter Jackson?

[@sanguineregis5354]

Hes stuck trying to recreate the awe, feel, and success of the Lord of The Rings, to the detriment of many of his newer films.

[@vithepiltoverenforcer8778]

@@sanguineregis5354 It's honestly not his fault. The studios wanted three movies to milk the franchise and Peter Jackson's name. He originally planned to make The Hobbit into two movies. Studio meddling ends up being the death of many films and franchises.

[@jimjam7928]

@AzerGhost16 There has to be more to it than that. There has to be some contractual obligation or the realisation/insinuation from the producers that Peter Jackson would simply be ostracized and never get the opportunity to work on the scale that he clearly wants to again.

[@kevinclement1533]

@@vithepiltoverenforcer8778 Yeah, two movies would've been the right amount for The Hobbit. Three movies is too much.

[@Mildlyexaggerated]

Well it's not three books squeezed into one. It's just the first book in the series. Still it was pretty disjointed.

[@infiniteflame2374]

Pointing out that we know more about the toaster than we do about main girl was brilliant, well done sir.

[@UrFriendlyHoax]

The reason the movie didnt make sense to most people is because you have to read the books. If people read the books there wouldn't be as much hate.

[@Blastxu]

@@UrFriendlyHoax If the movie can't make the audience understand the plot of the movie then the movie is a failure. You shouldn't have to read the book to understand the movie

[@UrFriendlyHoax]

@@mellohi6175 True

[@CorruptShark]

@@UrFriendlyHoax ...what? I watched this movie when it came out because I grew up with the books and it's one of my favorite book series, and this was an absolutely terrible adaptation. The point of book movies is to put it in a frame that everyone can understand. Saying people should read the books before watching the movie is like telling people to do homework before they can enjoy a movie

[@squirlmy]

Well, I don't think it's that so much as it is 95+% of book adaptations fail. One big contrast is that Lord of the Rings was out for 45+ years (50 years after being written, but it wasn't published for 5 years) A long time, perhaps before Jackson was even born. Another is that it was meant as an adult read, YA didn't even exist for a few more decades. The Hobbit was meant for younger readers, but I think the Jackson film version flopped, just like these others. A book is written by a single person, even if its a collaboration, it's A single person's vision. Film is inherently collaboative. Hardly any book ever gets translated well into a film, or even a series.

[@lukec2004]

The reason Lotr worked is because it features second breakfast

[@Antares2]

And mushrooms.

[@chaoticneutral7528]

End elevensies

[@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876]

@@michaeltreu4152 elevensies is one of the 7 meals of the hobbits

[@douglasdaniel4504]

I think you hit the nail on the head...or the hobbit, not sure which....

[@darkprinceofdorne]

Do not forget the smokey ship by grandpa Gandalf

[@willrogers3793]

Between this and Artemis Fowl, I’ve basically given up on any of my favorite childhood books getting a good cinematic adaptation.

[@thetwizard9290]

Ready player one is another like that. It disappointed me so much

[@MeatCatCheesyBlaster]

To be fair Ready Player One was also a garbage book

[@scarecrow2097]

@@thetwizard9290 it was enjoyable as a movie though

[@lobsterthieved]

Artemis fowl is arguably the most destructive thing a movie has ever done to a book in terms of blatant disregard for canon

[@smittyslayer4302]

Ditto

[@NinaFelwitch]

Someone in Hollywood: "There is this book that a lot of people like. Let's make it into a movie. But instead of following the book, we change everything. Mix characters, throw some others away, add a couple of new ones and run the plot through a scrambler. The fans will love it!" Almost every book to movie adaptation ever.

[@chiffmonkey]

Change the ending completely to turn it into immigration propaganda too.

[@comiccat4650]

I'm sorry for commenting so late but: Someone in Hollywood: "You know this book a lot of people love? Let's make a movie about it except not."

[@norafromash5087]

Is the book any good tho? Might pick it up if it is

[@comiccat4650]

@@norafromash5087 Yeah, it's really good, the story and conections are actually explained and I've quit enjoyed it.

[@Horvath_Gabor]

Also don't forget: "There is this book that has no romance, a classic dystopian world where the system keeps itself running without a need for mustache-twirling villains, and a preteen protagonist. Let's turn it into a cookie-cutter young adult dystopian romance movie!" In case anyone wonders, I'm talking about The Giver.

[@AdoniBezek]

The fact that I found the killer robot to be the most sympathetic character in this movie speaks volumes.

[@elizabethperry418]

Having adored the books since childhood, and without spoiling anything too serious to those who've not read them, Shrike is definitely intended to be a sympathetic character.

[@Lucys3DStuff]

So true. Make the Movie about Shrike and Her and cut all the useless character. There is alrdy a cut like this on KZbin. Even tho it just uses movie pieces it still is a better story.

[@eliphas_vlka]

@@Lucys3DStuff the movie is "supposed" to follow the books meh And Hester and him are not the only mains characters

[@anatoldenevers237]

@@eliphas_vlka honestly I feel like Shrike is the real main character of the books

[@viljamtheninja]

No, it doesn't speak volumes. A side character can very well be the most sympathetic character, nothing weird about that.

[@Plelement94]

Literally only saw it as I was an Extra in it. Was horrified with the changes but atleast I have a piece of London in my drawer!

[@bigpigeon2384]

Plelement94 that’s pretty cool

[@lifeisaadventure9948]

Congratulations 🍾 What does your character look like 🤔

[@l3wdlemon708]

Quit lying

[@BknMoonStudios]

@@l3wdlemon708 He could absolutely be telling the truth. These big budget movies have _thousands_ of extras. And most of the time, they don't even need to be good actors in order to get hired.

[@SA80TAGE]

@@l3wdlemon708 YEAH! only losers with no life that never leave their house use youtube! 😏

[@Maniac742]

Mortal Engines is a movie that wanted to be a series. Huge, ensemble cast for a series is OK. For a movie, not so much. Hollywood just LOVES movies that can be made into a series of movies, but they suck at it. Marvel was more or less a fluke. It started small because it was originally just a test concept. A prototype that was gradually improved upon as success started to roll in. Now they try to hit the ground running full force. Instead of dipping their toe in pond, they cannon ball. Well, cannon balls sink and so did Mortal Engines.

[@andreicecold4379]

thats because mortal engines is a book series.

[@dakat5131]

I think MCU got lucky, and it kept trying. After the first all-around movies came out it seems like they came up with some kind of plan, even if it changed later, to pump out more films. Some films look like they're trying to copy just the basics of what MCU has done over it's many films, taking a watered down version of what it was later on and expecting it to be just as successful. And then when it doesn't immediately wow they go "huh. Guess that didn't work". Without understanding what makes it work and not seeming to care particularly much as it was, while also expecting audiences to be satisfied with an experience that says "don't worry, tune in next time and you'll maybe get the rest of the story. That also might never come or be just as pointless"

[@TecToss]

Also Marvel Comics are much simpler source material to exploit. The stories are pretty tight and already told in pictures. To make a complex universe work in a movie, you have to get it in order to boil it down to its essentials, since you can never show it in all the details of the source material. And for that, you need to care about your movie and the source .... but the "movie industry" is driven by marketing now, and these people just do not get what makes a movie good. I just hope the money runs out before they kill every last cohesive fantasy world that made it into movies :(

[@WTC-1990]

I quite enjoyed mortal engines, I think they fucked up with the marketing

[@nahuelleandroarroyo]

This was another Golden Compass situation, the recent series His Dark Materials is great on it's first season because the contents pf the movie were strechted

[@kristalvibes774]

People have caught onto that executive producer crap. It can mean nothing.

[@rhaenyrareigns2200]

@BLAIR M Schirmer I clicked this video, paused it to see a few comments, read yours, and thought that ME means Mass Effect instead of Mortal Engines... kind of tells you for how long the latter stayed relevant in my head... >>'

[@jackkraken3888]

Didn't Steven Spielberg produce the Transformers movies? Enough said.

[@crazymaner2003]

Except in this case Peter Jackson did develop Mortal Engines and was going to direct it until he took on the directing of THE HOBBIT.

[@cuentadeyoutube5903]

In fact, to me, it means it will suck badly. Specially when the name of this unrelated people is featured front and center on marketing material

[@klardfarkus3891]

the executive producers are the people who put up the money. they want their name out there

[@ancientofdays8644]

Funny thing, Tom is actually the main character, with hester, Katherin and engineer guy being secondary ones. The book made Tom the main character for a good reason. And not only that, in the books the London duo is actually extremely important. But we'll, for some reason this movie changed a lot of stuff, like making Valentine the main villain and changing his entire character for some reason

[@thegoldengamer9315]

Yh really dumb we already have enough evil valentines in movies

[@joshhumphrey736]

also the red teeth sweets

[@Datboichannel]

Ahh… interesting. Which one is Tom again?

[@jrotela]

Thats not the problem of how things of the books were changed for the movie. Its how the movie its and its bad, they could make the movie about Hester sister but becouse the plot of the movie its bad you end up with just a "it was fine"

[@idkaboutthisfuckoffyoutube1041]

Peter Jackson losing control the studios just using his name to get tickets

[@nathanberridge7321]

Mortal Engines should have been a Netflix/HBO series like Game of Thrones. It's too complex to squish into a movie. Also HESTER IS MEANT TO BE HIDEOUS AND SHOULD BE PORTRAYED AS HIDEOUS. She got bowdlerised, and it's especially shitty because the books even reference her getting "de-uglyfied" by Pennyroyal and it being a betrayal of who she really is. An important part of her character growth over the series is finally coming to terms with her disfigurement and accepting that Tom loves her despite that. Movie Hester would come off as disingenuous if she has that character arc because she's not ugly, she's pretty with a scar.

[@EdaliaDayCreative]

Exactly. Also Tom in the books is really flawed and and naive and treats her like a dick at first and there relationship is interesting because of that and because it's unexpected. In the film they turned him into a cookie cutter goofy, hapless, romantic lead. Like Lord of the rings, what's exciting about the story is the journey they go on. Whereas this film is told like an action story. There's a lot of action in the books but that's not what the story's about. Classic example of an adaptation not understanding a piece and removing the good parts in favour of the surface stuff.

[@marnsdnfois7006]

Deadass

[@sbentsen2714]

yup.

[@cabrondemente1]

Sorry but no, it blends among the bunch of Hunger Games wannabe franchises.

[@NGEvangeliman]

i dont know about hideous... but at least where maybe most people couldn't or wouldnt look past her scars... maybe less like Korean MMORPG scars and more like the bad lady in Wonder Woman lol.

[@dman2742]

Filmento: "frodo people" Hobbits: Am I a joke to you??

[@AscendantStoic]

Lols 🤣

[@alsoyes3287]

Frodo Frodinson, head Frodo of the Frodo people in Frodo village

[@AscendantStoic]

@@alsoyes3287 Frodo the commander-in-chief and supreme leader of Frodostan 😏

[@Cthulhu4President]

@@AscendantStoic Frodo, the Hodoriest Halfling Halberdier; Chopper of Knees and Horder of...Hentai.

[@catnium]

yes you are a joke even tolkien thought you were a joke , your a joke race deal with it . dope heads

[@lotusthemermaid]

When my husband and I saw this movie, we agreed that it would have been amazing if the plot had followed literally *any other character* surrounding the main protagonist. Especially, zombie cyborg. Give us a movie about the Lazarus Men.

[@arthas640]

way too many young adult fiction movies/books just have bland, generic leads that are written by committee to be a blank canvas that the readers/viewers are supposed to project themselves onto. People fell for the trick on Twilight but they've saturated the market and people are starting to realize how the main characters are the least interesting part of the bloated story.

[@elliotbranton8586]

@@arthas640 indeed but mortal engines the BOOK does not have such a problem the film just ruins the characters

[@oliverturner1649]

Sorry about the late reply, but you should probably check out the books Mortal Engines is loosely based on. The film was about as close to the books as Labrynth was to the Lord of the rings. Shrike is pretty much the main character of the series (and he's not just a metal zombie like in the movie) Not to mention that there are lots of other stalkers in the books (but more importantly, the characters are actually... good.. unlike in the movie)

[@GODOFNIGTMARES]

SPOILER: The zombie zyborg is the one who is telling this story at the end of the books

[@prosexer0624]

When you literally despise the protagonist, the movie doesn't work

[@petery6432]

*Cough* *cough* Captain Marvel *cough* *cough*

[@scratchy996]

Also cities on wheels, that just sounds stupid.

[@SirToaster9330]

I don't despise the protagonist. There was nothing to hate

[@prosexer0624]

@@SirToaster9330 he literally has every aspect of a fucking loser and an idiot

[@anatoldenevers237]

@@prosexer0624 best character in the film was Shrike. Unsurprising considering he’s the coolest character ever in the book series

[@Wi-Fi-El]

*"one does not simply walk into Mordor"* London: *plows through the black gate with frodo atop Big Ben. He chucks the ring into Mt doom as the city drives up and over the volcano, killing hundreds of orcs a second as it Rams into the tower of Mordor, knocking it down as sauron explodes. The army of Gondor stands in awe as Mordor collapses behind the speeding city tank*

[@3Rayfire]

Still not walking.

[@Petaurista13]

@@3Rayfire And it's genius! It's like "No man can kill Witch King"

[@And_Rec]

You can fly out of it tho

[@tyrannosaurusrex4600]

When Gandalf smokes weed its BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO DESTROY SAURON !

[@Clayjarazn]

Tyrannosaurus Rex Pipe weed puts Gandalf into the Sauron-destroying mood that he needs to destroy Sauron.

[@bsamaniac305]

Pippin wants second breakfast because he needs to destroy Sauron.

[@filasophies4423]

Old Toby!?

[@sbentsen2714]

XDXD hahaha yes true! lol

[@bone8352]

Boy I wish I could try that stuff! Those hobbits are real lucky getting mushrooms and pipe weed

[@sondrelassen]

Mortal engines is such a huge story in the books, so there is no way you can make it into one movie and make it good. It would work much better as a series on netflix or something.

[@ntdscherer]

But now that it's failed as a movie, that won't happen at least for a long time. My guess anyway.

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

Unfortunately that is the huge problem with adaptations of books as movies: On pages a story is fairly compact. On film, however, it grows exponentially - and if that hten has to be squeezed into a set timeframe, this inevitably ends in disaster. Even LotR tossed out quite a lot, but it managed to remain coherent. Today, however, there is another problem also rearing its head: The dwindling of talent for storycrafting and -writing, compounded by the various ideologies propagated (and adherence or lack thereof then judged) by so-called social media.

[@ntdscherer]

@@ranekeisenkralle8265 I don't think it's that it grows, it's that a movie is only 2-3 hours long. People will spend many many hours reading a novel, but movies don't work that way. A miniseries is a better way to adapt a novel. And what do you mean by dwindling of talent?

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

@@ntdscherer Perhaps my wording was off there. by "growing" I mean that it is more difficult to convey in picture what a few words written on a page can convey. Therefore it takes a lot more time to bring across the same thing in a movie compared to a book. as for the dwindling of talent, this is two-fold. On one hand you have the twatter-promoted activism and agenda influencing todays writers into just giving out perks and stuff to characters of a certain group of people (which one in particular is dependant upon the stripe of activism the author subscribed to) which makes the resultant story bland and downright borin - plus it often results in unrelatable characters because that kind of character never really faces any challenge. On the other hand todays rushed society results in time being a premium, which also impacts the time needed to establish and flesh out a given character, which compounds the problem of blandness. Yes, there are exceptions to this, but those exceptions are fairly few and far between - and from my perspective even less so than a decade or two ago. As a result i am re-reading a lot of old books (80s to early 2000s) these days, because the more modern stuff simply doesn't captivate me. As for the Mortal Engines books in particular, those are decently written, although a tad contrived at times. I do, however, very much prefer R.A. Salvatore, Tolkien, and Dan Abnett

[@kensukefan47]

Because series only work on Netflix.

[@pixiebomb28]

People keep trying to recreate Marvel magic without taking into consideration that it took marvel 10+ years to get there

[@killianmulcahy8723]

but it came from a book series that came out before marvel

[@jerryvelasco1474]

@@killianmulcahy8723 Marvel comics have been around since the 1940's. They also made movies back in the 70's like the Hulk, same with all those "Spider-Man" movies in the early 2000. Think mortal engines book came out in the 2000's.

[@killianmulcahy8723]

@@jerryvelasco1474 oh yeah i meant the newer ones that made marvel famous globally, idk I just got triggered when the person said that mortal engines was just tryin to recreate marvel magic, which Philip Reeve wasnt.

[@jerryvelasco1474]

@@killianmulcahy8723 Well even the source material was already written, way before "Mortal Engines". Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and so on. But I get what you are saying. Look what they did to my beloved "Artemis Fowl",.... Disney took a huge pile of shit on Eoin Colfers masterpiece and for what. A quick cash grab. At least you had a decent director kind of. 😭

[@killianmulcahy8723]

@@jerryvelasco1474 omg they did, I felt bad for any Artemis Fowl fan the second it came out, it is a terrible adaption and a blatant cash grab.

[@TheRedleo82]

"Why does Gandalf.. To destroy Sauron and save Middle Earth" haha good one.

[@niconachozstudio1952]

Hobbit: *Cough*

[@zachhatten7740]

Silmarillon: *COUGH*

[@TG-tl4uj]

Mortal Engines is the first book of 4. The books are excellent, one of the best aspects is it reveals how the world was created following the 60 minuet war. The problem I had with the movie is that not enough time is spent explaining this to the audience. Even though I could recite the book, I found myself struggling to keep track of what was going on!

[@mattnorris7124]

Thinking back to watching this movie, it does sort of feel like you hit the ground running a little too hard at the start. Some kind of back story for the world and some of the main characters at the start would have been good rather than just fleshing them out with flashbacks.

[@Kyle-gw6qp]

I think the film has the opposite problem. It tries to compress a huge and intricate world into 2 hours.

[@cubedgecko9394]

@@mattnorris7124 i thibk shrike just blatantly giving exposition and an intro wouldve worked cause that is the nature of how the story is being told

[@killianmulcahy8723]

It's great to find someone who realises that its from a book series. I loved the series so much and was so excited for the movie, but it was a let down

[@TG-tl4uj]

@@killianmulcahy8723 I first read the booked over a decade ago and recently listened to the whole series again including the prequels on audio! Lockdown was the perfect time for me to revisit that world! Another thing I love was the town names. Grimsby for example is based on a fishing town in the north east of England. It really ads that touch of reality to what could have happened.

[@pykeplayer4007]

I literally didn’t remember any of the characters names when I walked out of the theater. It wasn’t that I wasn’t paying attention, I just didn’t really care about them. At all. But I did remember when- uh... Valentine told- uh... the old guy... “You’re a dinosaur, I’m the meteor” BANG lmfao

[@mcblaggart8565]

"Heeehhh-sturrr SsschAWWww!" I remembered that name.

[@chook9256]

Yeah I thought after wow effects were cool but wow that was boring. All I remember is the purple nuke.

[@bingbongjoel6581]

I’m just waiting for Steampunk to take a grand step into the mainstream. Mortal Engines could’ve been that first step for the genre.

[@itsnotpaul8548]

I actually like the design of steampunk machines rather than futuristic ones futuristic ones look sleek and smooth while steampunk machines are big hulking with gears and cogs coming out and in some cases you can actually see how those machines work while "futuristic" machines just rely on movie science

[@enderjed2523]

I’d say it has some dieselpunk aspect to it

[@arcadeinvader8086]

@@itsnotpaul8548 Sci-fi science is usually shown as the continuation of emerging or theorized fields like AI, nanotechnology, genetic engineering, or quantum engineering. Those are all real branches of science that sci-fi writers imagine developing in certain ways. It's not "movie science" to imagine that (sometimes) possible future any more than it is to imagine that (sometimes) possible alternate past. Heck, in my own everyday life I rarely encounter technology that utilizes huge cogs (or even allows me to directly see the mechanism at all) and I have an adequate understanding of how the technology around me works.

[@tenshimoon]

Agreed, I love the steampunk aesthetic and that's the biggest thing I loved about this movie was the aesthetic. If only it had been done better. I'd love to see more steampunk visuals in film/shows.

[@squirlmy]

Um, why did you feel the need to define "steampunk"? Readers could just web search the term, after all.Also it's pretty much already in any movie inspired by HG Wells or Jules Verne. I think people get A little too fixated, though. Artists could do DaVinci type tech with hot air balloon and twisty helicopters, or Flintstones caveman tech. There's tons of " Alternative tech" imagineable, why get stuck on 1899 fantasy?

[@ganymede242]

Great analysis. Mortal Engines reminds me of Jupiter Ascending - both had lots of potential, but bounce around so much between characters, plot points, and ideas that your head is just spinning and none of it has any significance.

i liked that one , not this one thou

[@tereziamarkova2822]

But do Mortal Engines have Eddie Redmayne's most glorious performance ever?! Or royalty recognizing bees?! Or aliens admitting to being responsible for the extinction of dinosaurs?! No, just underacting Robert Sheehan and Huge Weaving reminding us how much hotter he is with a beard. In other words, Jupiter Ascending is a much better movie and that's that.

[@kossettereaditte7552]

@@tereziamarkova2822 jupiter ascending was hot garbage

[@frankwest5388]

Kossette Readitte but it is hilarious garbage. When the main character was kidnapped by a potential marriage candidate, who was also her biological relative for the third time, I laughed my ass off.

[@RyanStone143]

I can't figure out why the Wachowskis wasted so much time showing Jupiter in line at the "DMV" attempting to get legal paperwork. The DMV sucks bad enough in real life, I don't want to watch a movie about it!

[@leonardoguillen8741]

i think the main issue with mortal engines is that they are trying to put a massive book with an enormous world spread over three books into a 2 hour movie

[@Sadew_Sadew]

Actually, 8 books now not counting the movie-specific worldbuilding ones xD

[@anatoldenevers237]

@@Sadew_Sadew it’s the Mortal Engines Quartet, Fever Crumb trilogy, and one more about Shrike and Hester, right?

[@Sadew_Sadew]

@@anatoldenevers237 Night Flights about Anna Fang

[@anatoldenevers237]

@@Sadew_Sadew Nine in that case. There's a short story about Shrike and Hester called In The Bleak Midwinter. Shrike is the main character of the Mortal Engines universe btw.

[@viktoriabrannstrom6659]

One thing i missed in the movie was the big city chases. Yes, we got a badass London-chasing-smalltown opening sequence, but then it was just about hester and tom and the MEDUSA story.

[@bradneece2409]

I actually appreciated that. During the opening I was rolling my eyes thinking the whole movie was gonna be a bunch of that with the same music track playing the whole time. (Seriously, they repeated it so many times) But when the actual story kicked in, I was happily surprised, and I appreciated the opening sequence more. But hey, that's just me I guess.

[@njrk97]

Its so a confusing adaption, things that seem like they should be cut out or removed are left in while elements that should not be changed get switched around, why keep the B plot about Valentines Daughter and a yard worker finding out about Medusa if in the movie Valentine is the main Villain, instead of a Cog motivated and blackmailed by the lord mayor to do what he does to keep his adopted Daughter being a safe and high class London citizen. Why have Hester pull her scarf down every other scene when she is meant to have a scar she hates, why have the weird slave worm city kidnapping sequence instead of literally any other character piece. Again it just feels like it was not adapted correctly and its simultaneously trying to stay true to the book while at the same time ripping out every character element that made the books less generic young adult.It seems like it misunderstood what was important and thought that Traction Cities and ancient weapons was the only elements that matter and dropped stuff like defining or making the characters actually be characters.

[@paynepersons6147]

In the book London got chased by a bigger city and killed it with Medusa.

[@madman19931612]

To be honest, that fist chase is the only reason I'm glad this movie exists I read book 1 as a kid and never could quite picture it back then this movie finally gave me the name of the book series (I was so happy when i found out there was more), and it helped me imagine everything so much better (even though the movie amps up a lot of things in a weird way) other than that this movie feels... like a bit of a waste? glad some people enjoyed it, but if I would have walked out after the first 10 minutes I would have been just as happy oh well

[@JazzBoat_]

No Panzerstadt-Bayreuth :(

"The chineese are always a great people, because the movie needs to sell tickets there" ahaha so true

[@eliphas_vlka]

Nah not for the story/books

[@osteelgen8225]

Haven’t read the books in a while, but I remeber that stuff made a lot more sense.

[@saeklas]

No seriously, that's a great toaster. One of the FEW truly automatic toasters, which we never see today, fantastic

[@KrissFliss]

There's no lever function, just putt the bread inn and wait. It's so stupid that in the modern ones, you need to pull it down yourself.

[@jmkhenka]

@@KrissFliss not only that, it makes PERFECT BREAD every time, frozen or not. Fuck why cant i get one today?

[@jinjrax8625]

Your videos are the best at cutting in memes as transitions without actually disrupting the review. Flows as smoothly as that silky voice.

[@theartemisgland]

Its actually Krako voice... cos. You know. He... is... from... Krakózhia.

[@priceofiron6900]

@@theartemisgland go away you !

[@theartemisgland]

@@priceofiron6900 no u

[@priceofiron6900]

@@theartemisgland aww =/

[@cdreid9999]

that and that its a game about 'people' fighting because.. well dammit they like to fight..

[@AndySomething]

Peter Jackson is so hit or miss. Lord of the Rings are among the best films ever made and then I recently watched The Lovely Bones and it's one of the worst films i've ever seen. Boggles the mind.

[@Raf8347]

more like Painful Bones

[@neopada9091]

LOTR had tons of talented people involved because the books was famous. Also the animated version was the base of the first movie. So it's not Peter alone that made the movies great.

[@mtgang2016]

how was lovely bones bad

[@Nnoo1987]

@@neopada9091 is the animated lotr movie any good?

[@5iwot5]

@@Nnoo1987 If you can get acces to them its definitely worth the watch, same goes for the hobbit animated. It's a different perspective on the story.

[@AntonyBrotherton]

You didn’t mention the biggest elephant in the room in that LotR was published in 1937 and has been read by literally millions of people in the 60 years before the movie. It has been a best seller for much of that time and had a fan base crying out for an adaptation. Peter Jackson knew going in it was a 3 movie project with a huge budget but a guaranteed fan base. Mortal engines was a mere 16 years old, had a small fan base, no prearranged 3 movie multi million budget deal. The exact same thing happened with the golden compass. Future movies were dependent on the success of the first. To the studios these are high risk projects.

[@revimfadli4666]

@Heloise O'Byrne yeah shame that the studios only let the risk become worse, instead of reducing it

[@maddyg3208]

LOTR was published in the 1950s (it was The Hobbit that was from 1937) but your point is otherwise well made

[@alexisventura7191]

I loved the golden compass. I didn't even know it was a book....

[@matthewcaughey8898]

And that’s why Hollywood does not take chances on independent films Musca anymore and they keep regurgitating the same thing over and over again, till they beat it to death and nobody gives a shit anymore. Fast N furious was not bad, 8 films later and this horse has been dead for years

[@jazi150]

The problem is that, *adapting any book that has a big success behind it* Since Hollywood adapted LotR and Harry Potter, they found a mine of gold from the books, causing them to adapt any book that they believe was a success in the past. Example if a book called "The pat to the toilet" has a lot of sales with positive reviews, Hollywood will adapt it to a movie because they can and have the movie, they don't care at this point for the fanbase, the background or anything that cause the book to have a success in sales, they only want to make it because they believe that making a movie about the book will have the same positivism in the movie.

[@dr.deadpool5959]

The trailers gave away the whole story to begin with: 1. girl losses someone because of bad guy and wants revenge. 2.Girl meets guy and falls in love and joins a resistance 3. girl discovers a truth and kills bad guy 4. day is saved There I just saved you 2 hours of your life

[@stepheningermany]

@@arnehurnik It gave me the idea that it was garbage for children or adults that still read comics

[@ALARICFILMS]

🤣👌🏻

[@dr.deadpool5959]

Arne Hurnik I rather watch Attack on Titan on repeat

[@theFOODslayer]

I still saw the movie and in my opinion it's pretty good. ( If you played "borderlands 3" you probably know what is "carnivara")

[@robindecque9734]

pretty much every trailer for every movie, you see one trailer ' well ok, now what the point to see the movie, the whole plot is told right there in a 2 min video ', for mortal engines i would have seen the movie because i really enjoyed the books, only that i learned the existence of the movie 6 months after its released lol

[@joakimolsson9376]

Another reason: brand recognition. LotR had been a respected name with a large, passionate following for half a century by the time the first Peter Jackson movie was released. I remember hearing about Mortal ENGINES and thinking it was part of the same series as Mortal INSTRUMENTS. Yes, I am old.

[@underthepale]

Hey I had the same problem. Waited to hear more about Engines and then it landed with a wet plop. Sorta like Instruments. I ignored both with equally motivated apathy.

[@Infyra]

I don't know how that wasnt recognized, it is easily the biggest reason. Lord of the Rings was massive before any big franchise moves were even dreamt of. Something like James Bond may be one of the earliest movie franchises (but also based on a book ofcourse).

[@patrickmeyer2802]

I mean, it has a bunch of hardcore fans, me included. The movie makes much more sense if you have read the book, which pisses me off to no end because that's not how movies are supposed to work.

[@Bowiiihowdy]

I find LOTR didn't get big immediately. The set pieces stay small with some big battles and spectacles sprinkled in. Then by the time of return of the king we have had 2 other movies to get used to the characters and the setting we are in before we get the grand battles and spectacles

[@clarkmulvey4876]

It's funny you say this because I literally clicked on this video because I wanted to see how "stele" is pronounced. ah well.

[@rhaenyrareigns2200]

*TIME STAMPS for "Mortal Engines - The Curse of Size | Anatomy Of A Failure":* @02:29 - Abundance Of Character; @06:35 - Excess Of Plot; @10:50 - Surplus Of Sides.

[@zennyfieldster4220]

When I first seen this. I instantly knew this was a movie adaptation of a book. Hollywood doesn’t come up with such cool worlds like this! The last 5 minutes of this I can agree upon was garbage as the redhead and museum boy fly off into the sunset at the end. I thought he had a crush on the blonde girl back on London. I thought the main reason he wanted to go back on it was to save his crush from being killed. No, he just stops London and flies off with his new girlfriend. The end.

[@grfrjiglstan]

So basically, Mortal Engines is like Lord of the Rings, if Jackson had left in Tom Bombadil, and added about five more Tom Bombadils.

[@vermilion7777]

or it's simply if Jackson tries to film The Silmarillion

[@ginogatash4030]

just replace every character with Tom Bombadill and it's about it.

[@ginogatash4030]

@@vermilion7777 is the Silmarillion so bad?

[@kiendn]

@@ginogatash4030 Not bad. It's just huge.

[@ginogatash4030]

@@kiendn well what else can you expect from Tolkien? the guy wanted to create an ENTIRE MITHOLOGY out of fucking nowhere, (wich is not how you do it) he likes to write about all these ancient gods and other mithological creatures, when all people want is ONE story. he's like a history teacher explaining WW2 starting from the fucking Big Bang, because he expects people to know or even just remember absolutely EVERYTHING that has ever happend in the world.

[@tyrannicfool2503]

“If you have many characters with many different agendas and purposes you have to first make it clear who your main characters are” or of course you can skip all of that if you manage to find whatever cheat codes GRR Martin uses

[@lisazoria2709]

DerekGuerrero Cheat codes or not, I don't think you could fit the entire GoT series in a two hour movie. You'd have to cut most of it till it's unrecognizable, or end up with pretty much the same thing as this movie.

[@tyrannicfool2503]

@@lisazoria2709 Maybe the cheat codes activate god mode, that way one could squeeze it all in. Maybe that is the reason winds of winter is taking so long, he lost his cheat code paper

[@lisazoria2709]

DerekGuerrero lol maybe. *hides the paper behind my back*

[@Mukation]

GRRMs story would've been impossible to put into a two or even three hour movie. If you only made the first book (like season 1 of the show) they would probalby end up with a story that ONLY focuses on Neds Starks arc. They'd have to cut pretty much everything else and still only end up with a fraction of Neds book arc.

[@GarfieldRex]

No, GoT has a central topic: get the iron throne. Mortal Engines changes objective in mid movie.

[@AscendantStoic]

Plot twist, the toaster is secretly the main character in Mortal Engines, another plot twist .... it's the same toaster from The Brave Little Toaster .. who could have thought! ;)

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Oh snap!

[@HalfBreedMix]

Still got my copy of Brave Little Toaster on VHS :-)

[@AtZero138]

Thanks Man... I can sleep now. Lol

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@HalfBreedMix Cool!

[@supertoast4946]

The toaster jumped into the gears of London, that's what actually stopped the city in its tracks.

[@sebastiandoherty674]

Why does Frodo have the ring? To destroy Sauron and save Middle Earth Why does Golem want the ring? To destroy Sauron and save Middle Earth Why does Tom want to catch Jerry? To destroy Sauron and save Middle Earth Why did Thanos want all the Infinity stones? To destroy Sauron and save Middle Earth Why did I turn up my speaker so loud my neighbours could hear it? To destroy Sauron and save Middle Earth I could go on about this and maybe it’ll become a worthy meme

[@alexisventura7191]

Why did the school give me so much homework and tests? To destroy sauron and save middle earth

[@mangocrusher1]

Hotel? Trivago

[@jdee8407]

It will only become a meme if it is, To destroy Sauron and save Middle Earth

[@augustina3657]

I remember seeing the trailer for this in the theater and thinking "that is going to flop".

[@bingobongo1615]

Yes because its moving cities in a movie that tries to take itself serious yet its called mortal engines...

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@bingobongo1615 There's nothing wrong with over the top concepts like moving cities and fantasy elements that takes itself seriously. And nothing wrong with the title "mortal engines" either, not seeing the problem.

[@eliphas_vlka]

@@Gadget-Walkmen theres 0 problems with it

[@eliphas_vlka]

@@bingobongo1615 i bet you only watch black and white movies or documentaries only

[@recklesflam1ngo968]

@@bingobongo1615 You clearly haven't read the much better books.

[@kingofroses302]

Fury Road did so much more with a lot less

[@jerryvelasco1474]

All the Mad Maxx did more with less.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

Mad Max already had a cult following from many years ( do not talk about Mad Max beyond thunderdome) Fury Road just tapped into what was already there and boom instant revenue stream Rolling cities as it should have been called just left too many details on the floor and those of us with engineering backgrounds need to know how stuff works to wrap outright heads around it. Mad Max is easy the 4 cycles of combustion suck, squish, bang, blow, right there, and a car ain’t hard to figure out. A rolling city the size of london moving at those speeds? I’m gonna need more to understand this

[@jippy33]

"The Ring Meeting" - an early name for the Council of Elrond.

[@merrittanimation7721]

If that was the original name I can imagine Elrond changing it to stroke his ego more.

[@SirToaster9330]

I agree with you, Peter Jackson literally loved the film and started working on it the moment he read the book. He should've directed it

[@ollortmccoy5215]

"Frodo People" my favorite type of people

[@lunasknight2162]

Ol' Lort McCoy "I never thought I would die side by side with a Frodo person" "How about side by side with a friend?"

[@carpedm9846]

"It takes too long to meet the hero" LoTR with its opening speech: one prolouge to rule them all

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

I think they did it right because i still remember them by paying very little atention to the movies

[@LordDaret]

I read the book series. They combined the first two books, skipped a lot of content and explanations that were probably very important to the actual story, and I think some of the third book got merged in too.

[@oliverturner1649]

THANK YOU! I love the books and this awful movie has killed any chance of them getting a good film in the future. They didn't add any of the second book in, But the shield wall getting destroyed was from ODIN later in the series.

[@anwpecirotan]

What, it is not merges first 2 books First Book : Mortal Engine, talks about London in the barren mud wasteland Second Book : Predator Gold, talks about Anchorage in the ices The skipped content is a pirates londoner wannabe and the first city that destroyed by Medusa

[@eoinreilly8477]

@@oliverturner1649 I think it should be a series.

[@boxtrolls6144]

Well, atleast they showed a traction cities on live action so that we can imagine whats in the book better

[@r00234]

Although this movie failed, I loved it. I think it could have been much better as a series. And honestly I think if people had just given it a shot, it would have blown up. I know book fans were upset, but this movie was stellar. It just needed more screen time to develop everything.

[@squirlmy]

It's almost as if you didn't watch the video at all. I suspect you didn't watch all the way through, Mabry even wrote this right after starting it! 😆😉

[@upchuckles243]

This is literally the first I've heard of this movie. It made ZERO splash.

[@two-tonetony8722]

I've taken dumps with more of a splash

[@revimfadli4666]

Seems like people still remember it more than A Wrinkle in Time though

[@nachospopthe3rd564]

Doubt it

[@akunekochan]

Same. 2 years later

[@WickedPhase]

A_Neko _C Yup, me too

[@SourRobo8364]

Bumblebee: no plot Mortal Engines: Too much plot

[@SourRobo8364]

@Cynical Joker agreed

[@iva00005]

Bumble bee was amazing

[@brandonscott7524]

I thought Bumblebee was pretty good. Then again, my expectations were abysmal as it was, so I was pleasantly surprised with something that didn't totally suck.

[@Jazzimus]

Pacific Rim : Uprising --> Negative Plot

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@Jazzimus this is true

[@Radhaun]

Other long haired people: Does it bother you when you watch a movie where someone has long hair and just.... Leaves it down? And it never gets in their way? I can become blinded by my hair turning around too quickly.

[@RedFlyingFox007]

That's why it's fantasy jdheukxdkxdoxd

[@arthas640]

it also never gets tangled or dirty even if they spend a week in the woods sleeping on the ground, and never gets greasy even if they can never bathe.

[@persis2223]

They never have to shake it out of the way, flip it to one side or the other, or tuck it out of the way... Im left thinking "jeez, what ungodly amount of hair spray did your stylist put in that stiff mess? "

[@misantrope]

So true. I let my hair loose at home and when I need to headbang (and sometimes when there´s no wind). I can go 2 days without a cleaning then it greasy, haha! But I do love my long hair.

[@epipsychidionozymandias5021]

I have long hair and prefer letting it down, but I do not live in a world were that would be an enormous obstacle to my survival.

[@normdeeploom5945]

When the director/producer becomes a primary marketing focus the M.Night Shamamalayan effect has reached peak Spielberg.

[@AndragonLea]

I love how she planned to kill him and her masterplan was "I'll stab him once in the torso and hope it hits something vital so that the entire town full of minions won't be able to save him".

[@notahotshot]

And then didn't instantly take the shot when she has him cold, and had even more reason to kill him.

[@AndragonLea]

@@notahotshot Yeah, I don't mind shocking returns or surprise survivals, but at least don't make the character suddenly turn dumb AF when it comes to defending themselves or taking out the big bad to make it happen.

[@ethanlee8307]

Should have gone for the head. I sincerely mean this.

[@AndragonLea]

@@ethanlee8307 Indeed. It's the only way to be sure. Don't be a Thor.

[@mityakiselev]

@@AndragonLea lol funny name xD you must be so fun at parties

[@calimerohnir3311]

I fear this video perfectly explains why a cinematic warhammer 40k universe would probably never work

[@Haannibal777]

Calimero Hœnir I disagree. Just start small, say just one one single planet, where the story revolves around a chaos cult. Of course the space marines eventually come to save the day. But the first half of the film can be very down to earth.

[@calimerohnir3311]

@@Haannibal777 But we know they won't do that should they ever try

[@wizzzer1337]

40k needs to be directed as a lord of the rings movie, but written as a monty python scetch, after all it is satirical in nature.

[@jcdf2]

It could work. But Hollywood won't let it. :(

[@calimerohnir3311]

@@jcdf2 Another problem is that nowadays as more and more studios are getting absorbed into Disney, so there is fewer and fewer opportunities to make rated R blockbusters (I might be wrong on that, but i think a block-buster sized movie is the only way to truly put 40k onto the screens). Think Logan or Deadpool... Now that Fox is gone we're unlikely to see another adult oriented superhero movie... heck even Sony shied away from the R rating for Venom.

[@test-mm7bv]

"pandering to china" 😂😂😂 funny bc so true and it still fails hard

[@insertclevernamehere2506]

Would that make him the Lord of the Panda-ring?

[@tonionitoklan4872]

Adrijana Radosevic the final 10 mins was just Star Wars

[@usersays8599]

does that mean Hollywood originally only panders to Americans??

[@usersays8599]

@Aniquin if a sizeable portion of tickets sales are generated from a country like China while tickets sales are plummeting in the US and Europe due to online streaming, is it really called pandering? or just writing movies for an audience that actually pays more $$$ to see that virtually no one sees in the US is actually profitable and provides annual boost to investor shares? lets face it, movies like this one in particular and World of Warcraft would bomb and be a money loss with the US audience regardless of any pandering, and yet the producers and movie studio make back their money and some more from showcasing to a country like China. Maybe if your so against this method, encourage everyone around you to go to the movie theaters so Hollywood studios can see the majority of their profit audience are from the US. Remember kid, we Americans are capitalists first, patriot second. Money talks louder than national pride

[@jeffrey7737]

@@usersays8599 most American films yes pander to Americans....when you pander to China....you have to block ghosts...spirits....Taiwan....Tibet....gayness from your films

[@TurboNym]

I've seen this movie without any prior knowledge of the books or the universe it is set in and I have to say, overall it's not a bad experience. I understood the plot, I understood what was up with most characters. it had a beginning a middle and an end. To me it was a good movie which I enjoy re watching from time to time.

[@jandv9376]

same, its enjoyable, but still a mess imo

[@syafiqadenan9602]

Same here and I would say the movie is simply a masterpiece on its own.

[@KillerOrca]

As a fan of the original series, this hurts on a particularly deep level. Damn, damn damn.

[@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821]

How are the books?

[@oliverturner1649]

@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 I think they're FANTASTIC! My favourite series of all time, surpassing LotR and Dune. I've heard a lot of people say they read the books after watching the movie and didn't like them and all. They are technically young adult material. I will admit they aren't as masterfully written as LotR, But they don't need to be. The world feels just as full, if not moreso, with 1/20th of the effort to read all the heaps of background material LotR has. Mortal engines is fun. The characters are written just as well as Tolkien's, there are almost no good or bad guys, something utterly removed in the movie. the protagonists do bad things and make mistakes (especially hester.. but we love her by the end, ill mannered cow that she is), most of the villains have VERY compelling redeeming traits. They are predictable, in the same way that most good fantasy epics are. When frodo is captured by orcs and thinks he's lost the ring, We know Sam will save him somehow. I promise you that if you read the series, by the end of it you will want to punch an old man, bring a robot a necklace of flowers, hug and comfort a young mortuary doctor, cry out to poskitt when you stub your toe, and fly off on the bird roads to peripetetiopolis stopping only for a pint and some fuel at the gasbag and gondola. Oh, and you'll probably want to own your own zeppelin. Edit: I suppose I should say something bad about them so I don't sound too biased. I suppose Philip Reeve does have a bit of a thing for giving characters a mild case of multiple personality disorder. It's done well and produces some heart wrenching emotion and pretty great long running tension, but after the 3rd character you do become very aware of it.

[@inferno0020]

Mortal Engines = Miyazaki movie without its charm

[@leofreaking]

Exactly what I thought! A story like that would have worked way better as an animated movie.

[@niclasneziru1854]

Hollywood's Moving Castle but without everything that made the original a good film

[@arthas640]

@@niclasneziru1854 Howls Movie Castle but all the main characters are mannequins with frowny faces drawn on and the screenwriter is a 13 year old fan fic writer.

[@thedeliveryboy1123]

Well, that escalated quickly.

[@omegabet3912]

@@niclasneziru1854 He's talking about Mortal Engines, if that's the reason why you're upset.

[@martinum4]

And thanks to technology connections i now know that the prop department didn't even get the right toaster at 6:10

[@randy_random4187]

Finally, a good fucking criticism of the movie.

[@gabbamani428]

This movie was so hyped in Iceland because the girl in red is Icelandic and we have so few actors who are in movies that are not Icelandic

[@joywagner979]

I'm American and have seen her in foreign-language films, where she was quite good! But for some reason she hasn't quite made the same leap in English-language material, even though she's fluent in English. Recently I saw her name on someone's list of "box office poison" actors, along with Taylor Kitsch, Alicia Vikander, and Ezra freaking Miller. That was just someone's opinion, but it still surprised me quite a lot. What gives?!

[@rafaelcomonfort6524]

"Turned out his name was Marta too"... I lol'ed

[@andreyche193]

In short they modeled the movie as an introduction to a franchise without much regard for the movie itself, thus the result.

[@Iamfromswee]

This. So much this. The (first) movie is no else than a build-up to the entire plot that escalates in the later books.

[@5Zacc]

It's really disappointing when a great book fails to be made into a great film. In my opinion, Mortal Engine's downfall was due to it only taking basic concept and plot from the book

[@cameronfielder4955]

Or the fact that the story is nonsensical and stupid. STUPID stories should not be made into movies. You really read a book where rolling cities fight each other? What are you 5?

[@hellothere_1257]

@@cameronfielder4955 Oh fuck off with that condescending attitude. I read the books too and they are honestly pretty good. And yes, the concept is unrealistic but that alone is not enough condemn a story as childish trash. In the end, in literature there are no bad concepts, just bad execution.

[@negative6442]

@@cameronfielder4955 How fucking pretentious

[@Jebsucks]

@@cameronfielder4955 Boy, sure is good that that rediculous story about hoodoo-voodoo ninja space monk-knights with ill-defined magic powers gallivanting around in space trying to kill an evil wizard-emperor with lightning powers before he can use a giant laser-moon to blow up the planets of the ill-defined rebel alliance never got anywhere, right? Only five year olds would want to watch that! Oh wait...

[@Jebsucks]

@@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz4839 No, it's magical space wizards building *fucking weaponized moons* out of some deranged logic that it will keep their empire from hating them. And, for reference, that ain't how the Traction Cities work, the things are landships, not over-inflated cars. At least in the books anyway, but unlike this trashheap those books were actually good, so who the fuck knows.

[@roush416]

I never understood why Valentine wanted to get to the other side of the wall. He said it was gonna be their new hunting grounds, but if there are no mobile cities there, then who are they gonna be hunting?

[@Knightmessenger]

I thought it was implied the well had run dry on hunting mobile cities. It was not bringing in the haul like before, and their secret weapon would finally allow them to hunt the non moving city that had defied all previous attempts

[@SeanA099]

You literally know more about a toaster than the main character

[@sn1pertoaster]

So right, so good, so relatable.

[@simeonkostov3962]

XD

[@Derpy1969]

Technology Connections just did a video about that very same damn toaster.

[@vylbird8014]

Yes, but that's no ordinary toaster. The Sunbeam Radiant is a collectable toaster even today - it's so famous that, as Eriamjh pointed out, Technology Connections did a video on it.

[@bl1398]

Lics Norgi the main character is in the toaster and pops out in the second half

[@larrytedmcbride]

I enjoyed the zombie plot quite a bit and felt it should have been more central to the story. The film could have opened with the child Hester running from Valentine where she is finally rescued by the zombie. The story then follows her growing up with the zombie and having flash backs of Valentine’s murder. Then she learns of Valentine’s whereabouts, she leaves the zombie, and the story picks up where it does in the film. Add in, as you say, she was raised in the East. Boom…blockbuster!

[@joshualontoc4465]

Imo the Robo-Zombie was the most interesting character in the film. Who made him? Who was he before the apocalypse? How did he become Robo-Zombie-Father-Dude? etc.

[@monkeymonk666]

@@joshualontoc4465 I've read the books, and yeah, Shrike is pretty damn great. His story literally spans centuries and in the book, he actually does outlive everyone.

[@th3lonef0x4]

Read the book. His subplot is far better told. Just like everything else in the book compared to the film.

[@MessOfAmachine]

Larry McBride it's a mystery to me that common people understands and know how to make a story work, but directors like PJackson lets this happen. As producer he knew the whole time what was being done with the 100mn and yet he gave the ok. I will never understand this really.

[@bertramwilson3946]

Matthew Chenault they really should have made it into a tv series. There’s just too much content for a 2 hour movie

[@thousandyoung]

*Start the engines Mr. Anderson*

[@rememberjerry936]

It’s funny I remember every plot point for every book in that series and how I imagined they would look like and yet before this video I had completely forgotten what the main character looks like

[@Eternity909]

Books like mortal engines can’t work as films. A true film adaption would have to be 5 hours long to flesh out every character

[@Eternity909]

Matthew Chenault Mortal engines is part of the hungry city series. Mortal engines established and explains the city’s on wheels idea and the rest of the books expand on that idea

[@bosyber]

@@Eternity909 SO maybe start with just the life of the guy who starts finding out what and who he thinks he knew are untrue - London is great stuff, and he's working to find his place, only maybe it is actually bad for the world - classic teenager grows up stuff, could work if done well. Not as epic though.

[@ryatt9365]

I too am burdened with the curse of size. Pause...

[@cilliancallaghan9788]

I want to like this comment but it has 69 likes

[@michaeldeery4075]

Yes, but the video is talking about the curse of "too much" size

[@knova7597]

He's talking about his penis...I gEt IT nOw

[@COrraThereal0ne]

Is there ever too much "size"

[@chaddelong998]

yeah.... you might wanna get that looked at.

[@ShanteYouStay]

So, this movie has the "I will kill you!" moment where the person does Not kill the bad guy? When the "hero" says that kind of crap in a movie but doesn't do it, I always root for the bad guy then.

[@Mediados]

For some reason heroes are so often so hesitant when it comes to killing, even when killing literal Hitler they would still ask themselves if there isnt any other way.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@Mediados seriously, like " if I kill him I'm no better than him" , um, yes you are, he has literally killed millions of people at this point, and will probably kill millions more if you don't kill him. You would be just fine

[@Mediados]

@@ntfoperative9432 If heroes actually had the guts to do whats necessary, so many lives could have been saved in so many stories

[@imbariegh]

I actually enjoyed the multiple minor character, each with a different background and agenda, which were revealed along the plot. I also enjoyed how the motives of each one have more differences than just the good vs the bad guys. If the movie was longer there might have more in depth plot about the londoners and the small city

[@tomroberts1040]

This film looked amazing it's a shame it wasn't better

[@ocek2744]

You don't even need to know much about who the protagonist is, you just need to know what they want, and what they are doing to get what they want. There has to be a vector for the audience to follow.

[@blakchristianbale]

Ocek how are you meant to know what someone wants if you don't know who they are?

[@ocek2744]

@@blakchristianbale They say it, or act it.

[@blakchristianbale]

@@ocek2744 When Filmento was talking about not knowing who the protagonist is, he meant we literally aren't aware of a protagonist existing. The film presents five or six different characters without clearly establishing any of them as the central character (and they aren't all the central character). He didn't mean we don't know much about the character, we know plenty about every character in the film.

[@ocek2744]

@@blakchristianbale Except he does say that. When he describes the Lord of the Rings parallel, and when he talks about us knowing more about the toaster, he's specifically inferring that the person we assume to be the main character is known less than the others. You're just stating his reason for how we got to that point.

[@larryhouse2767]

That's how Dunkirk got by. Highly reviewed even though I actually disliked it. It had no characters and no dialog. But among the seemingly random chaos you knew the motivation.

[@horticulturalist7818]

Its great that mortal engines was a flop because I can jack the setting for my DnD campaign

[@armaansewduth4261]

I wish I can be as good of a DM as u

[@tv4plays704]

I read the books back in 2012, been my favourite since, has played 4 different settings in the world

[@horticulturalist7818]

Nice. If youre into that grim punk astetic check out acheon I plan on using it to convert it into the setting when it gets out of beta

[@p.k.4927]

13:11 "Frodo and all the other... Frodo People." perfect.

[@calimerohnir3311]

I know it's incredibly petty, but it always satisfies me when a movie pandering to China ends up bombing at the box office.

[@OfAngelsAndAnarchist]

Calimero Hœnir why ? What’s wrong with China ?

[@calimerohnir3311]

@@OfAngelsAndAnarchist I've got nothing against the chinese. I just don't like pandering

[@danan8791]

@@calimerohnir3311 it's pandering when it's china and marketing when it's western audiences, learn the difference imbeciles

[@AndySomething]

Oh yeah totally. The west and the east have different cultures and values - Hollywoods attempts to merge the two as though we are one homogeneous people is why they fail so often.

[@calimerohnir3311]

@@danan8791 thing is, a movie is made by people. And those people tend to understand their own culture/society/country best. As such the difference between marketing and pandering is usually the level of understanding of the film-maker toward the intended audience. That's why I generally dislike attempts at pandering toward the Chinese market: It almost always fall flat (Firstly because they don't understand China, or maybe just think that they are some sort of mindless popcorn eaters lost by anything more challenging than a transformer movie. Secondly because by trying to market a movie to everyone you end with a movie with no soul, pleasing no-one; and likely to present a multitude of plot contrivances) For example, take the like the time they decided to cast Kelly Marie Tran in The Last Jedi in order to raise interest in the Star Wars brand in China (following the meager box office of The Force Awakens in that country). not only is that as shallow as it gets, but it also proves that they either are closet racists and don't even know what they're talking about since Kelly Marie Tran is actually from Vietnam (and before you ask, yes they did go on record saying that Kelly Marie Tran was cast to market the movie in Asia). As a result we got a useless character tacked onto the story without any plot relevance whatsoever, bogging down the rhythm of the movie.

[@josephmcfarland6713]

Remember when KZbin added ads and everyone was outraged. Just watched 8 in this one video. Wtf...

[@doom8274]

if you're on chrome or firefox instill ublock Origin and never see an ad again

[@Wanna-Blue]

Yeah, just install Adblocks. Fuck creators and fuck their independent high quality work, who’s with me

[@eduardovillarroel9241]

That's why I pay KZbin premium. I was tired of ads, plus it comes with KZbin music which is better than Spotify.

[@AvoxionYT]

@@Wanna-Blue All the good creators are demonetized and Google who owns KZbin doesn't deserve a cent.

[@Wanna-Blue]

@Avoxion Uhm, no? Unless you have a really narrow selection of “the good creators”

[@Forcemaster2000]

I've never even heard of "Mortal Engines", and this is the kind of movie I actually go out of my way looking for! So apparently this is one of those cases where the studio crapped out on the movie before it even had a chance and didn't market it!

[@HalfWolf2]

I'll tell you right now, the book series(the original) is probably my favorite books of all time, completely unique in their style and story, and astoundingly good in their storytelling and setting, you would not regret giving them a try

[@viktorgomex]

I read the mortal engines books, and its so big, that i feel they should have made a series

[@randomuser1093]

This is so sad because I read the books and they were amazing!

[@kingofthekoopas8857]

It really is, because now everyone thinks the whole trilogy is horrible, because they think it’s directly in line with this disaster of a movie, unlike the books, that had a lot more character development.

[@coachrenaldo]

“How bad is it?” *breaths in* That’s how you start a video.

[@PixelBush]

Mortal Engines forgot that Tom Natsworthy is the main character of the books that ties it all together: he is the Frodo and Hester is his abrasive, scarred Gandalf. By trying to juggle Tom as the audience surrogate and focus more on Hester as a main protagonist, they ended up diluting the focus.

[@cheffquice]

I remember having a really hard time getting to sleep on a long flight so I put this movie on and I was out like a light

[@johnwatson3948]

Lord of the Rings also didn’t look like every character - even the poor and distressed ones - had gone through a three hour perfection makeup session with new out-of the-box costumes.

[@jonashorn8354]

Just a thing I wanna say A movie can also be good when the main character doesn't really know what he's fighting against. It just needs to be portrayed in the right way.

[@BOBXFILES2374a]

A very good point. ALL Spy movies. "AIM is really part of Hydra! They all are!" - Nick Fury

[@willmungas8964]

Just watched the second Jason Bourne movie... good examples

[@benjieabbas3322]

You're video is still as insightful as ever. This movie is indeed a missed opportunity in that it tried to cramp as many details as possible without, objectively, any kind of connection with each other. I mean, it's our first time entering thos world when we watched it. I think the story would have worked better if the film was actually made into a TV series instead. There, connections like that between the girl and the zombie could be tackled in a specific episode while we could watch the 3 acts more in-depth in their own story arcs. Arcs that, you know, would normally take a few episodes each. I can't help but feel bad for the whole production because these effects aren't cheap.

[@philips170t]

It’s Howl’s moving castle, laputa castle in the sky and starwar’s Death Star core destruction. All combined

[@Cp-71]

When I saw that toaster I was like "This is a Sunbeam, right?". And when that guy said it was I fell off the chair.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Lmao at the captions: Morale engines. Model engines. Moral Engines. Tomorrow engines.

[@mikistenbeck6517]

KZbin and it’s autogenerated Close Captions....... *facepalm,* goddamit.... xD

[@fokker1138]

I just read through the first few chapters of the book, and it was handled much better than what they did with the movie (I've read up until Hester stabs Valentine). I don't know why they felt the need to deviate so wildly; it's a much better setup than the film and could have been told in a much shorter time visually than what they did in the film.

[@fokker1138]

Having finished the book, while not doing anything to reinvent the genre, it is a much better story than the overworked rewriting that the movie ended up as. The movie plays as a script written by executive committee.

[@MissCaraMint]

@@fokker1138 THere are a few things I found so funny. Like misunderstanding a statue of Micky Mouse as some anchien diety, and it being presented in exactly the same way historians actually present achient cultures. I probably forund other things unreasonably funny too.

[@scribblesmcgee]

@@MissCaraMint You'd like the guide book for the series then. Illustrated World Of Mortal Engines. Full of things like that. My personal favourite is the story of Panjandrum.

[@zaab-yaoh9302]

I actually really liked this movie. Never read the books or anything but I like unique movies and this was awesome definitely gets your imagination working. One of my favorites

[@chaboi7]

Didn't know about the books but I liked the movie also....and I'm not reading the books lol

[@thesoupin8or673]

I hadn't read the books either, but after I watched it I was like "haha wouldn't it be funny if the books were actually good" and....turns out they slap really hard. Read all 4, highly recommend. Surprisingly short, too, but the exposition and everything is really good

[@jnichols3]

So will the toaster be like Pinhead in the Hellraiser franchise? A minor character in the first movie, but becomes the central character that all sequels are centered on.

[@erica8860]

This deserves 100.000 likes only for Shia's meme

[@zackgravity7284]

Only 100? 😁

[@akosleoszilagyi2529]

You deserve more likes. ;-)

[@creepystares9853]

really, they squished at least 2 if not 3 full movie plot lines into one movie. PJ only works in that model anymore, and he only got one movie to do it in. Presto.. here you are.

[@zoomermcboomer4771]

I remember watching this and I don't even remember anything. It's like I'm watching it again.

[@hiddenman1343]

When I watched this movie the firs time, i really enjoyed it, so I read the book, and I LOVED IT !!! Then I watched the movie again and...meh... you explained it. The problem is, the book is big. There are a ton of informations about this world and the cities, how does it work, which factions are ruling the land, and most of all, character development. Because you know who they are, what is their place in this adventure, how they can defeat the villain, who and why he is the villain... A lot of things a single movie cannot handle. So It end up being a draft movie, with a ton of infos in a short amount of time, and easily forgetable characters. It couldn't have been a good movie, but it could have been a wonderful trilogy, (kinda like the Hobbit in fact, one book, three movies)

[@davidtejedor7996]

10:49 " turned out his name was Martha too" lol

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

I did not even know this film existed. Did they even advertise it at all??

[@d.j.p.g.b.9662]

I think i saw a trailer once on tv

[@geerstyresoil3136]

they didn't advertise because I think they knew it was going to be terrible

[@Andreamom001]

CONSTANTLY...I must have seen the ad a hundred times on youtube. Ugh. Didn't make me want to see the movie, though.

[@revimfadli4666]

Got some rather short KZbin ads with the giant chainsaws, for a couple of weeks

[@Crunchy166]

I really don’t understand what anyone finds confusing about this film. It’s genuinely very straight forward.

[@Lilly_1]

Really good film

[@joaogabrielimperial7777]

most of the critics are people who didn't understand things right or didn't have basic knowledge and want junk goyslop movies

[@LambertBowden56]

People need to care about what's going on... then they pay attention. If you start telling me a story at a party and you make all the mistakes this movie made (This KZbinr explains it perfectly)... I'm walking away to talk to someone else.