Pathfinder: WotR - Beginner's Guide To Prestige Classes

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Mortismal Gaming

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@joelhenry5489
@joelhenry5489 2 жыл бұрын
I remember in one of your earliest videos you said that in general there is already a way for a base class to do what the prestige classes do, and that is very true. For me, prestige classes are more about roleplaying than effective builds. On another note, please do a guide to multiclassing and level dipping.
@zachthestampede
@zachthestampede 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree with this, I really don't understand how level dipping and multiclassing works in any of the dnd games, I end up just following a build
@TheBlastmeister
@TheBlastmeister 2 жыл бұрын
Step 1: take 3 levels of Mutagen Warrior. Step 2: profit.
@felixrondeau5029
@felixrondeau5029 2 жыл бұрын
Would love a video about multiclassing! With a couple of examples ;)
@timfriday9106
@timfriday9106 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBlastmeister take 1 level of vivi, win.
@timfriday9106
@timfriday9106 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheBlastmeister take 1scaled fist/1oracle/1 viv and punch the shit out of everything hard af. these 3 levels can carry you through the early game so easily, even on UNFAIR. And...Charisma is one of the most abundant stats in the game so you still have a bajillion options to class into. Add 2 levels of paladin and you also get bomb diggity saves for the rest of the game as well, which is super necessary for unfair as well. then, at level 5...you can start casting, maybe sorc, but then you can dip 4 into DD for more str and ac and spell casting levels. then ur level 11 and can pick 10 levels of a prestige class like loremaster and do whatever you want from here, while still leveling caster, but getting feats that assist in combat like greater vitals or maneuvers or potent spell casting. with a dragon heritage you can also use a mythic level to get the last level of your heritage so you can pick like gold for example and be immune to fire. or maybe you only take loremaster for a few levels to level oracle until you can take MT after that. So you're a 1/scaled fist 1/oracle 1/vivi 1/sorc 2/pala 4/dd 4/Loremaster 6/Mystic Theurge you have a ton of str, high ac, high charisma for story stuffs great bufffs and tons of spell slots and spells from both divine and arcane. and you're not really losing a lot of BAB either, tho if BAB since DD/MT/SF/PALA all have full bab, you're only dropping BAB from your 3 levels in oracle/vivi/sorc but you gain a TON from those 3 levels so... hella worth imo. Now...thats multiclassing. ;)
@SinSorrowEU
@SinSorrowEU 2 жыл бұрын
What new players would need is Party composition suggestions. 1. ”Good” party. Who to take with, how many melee orientated, how many buff-healer focused, how many casters. What class is good at what role, what could be swapped for what and still keed party quite easy to play. General guidelines for this. With few examples at the end, some with haveing companions, some with mercanaryes. 2. ”Evil” party, same as before, but more focused to be evil, going maybe Lich, Devil etc for main charracter and party to support that. I believe this is what is most needed. Hard video maybe to make, but if anyone can do it, it is you.
@Mikrowelliger
@Mikrowelliger 2 жыл бұрын
I am SO happy that you decided to go back and redo some of your older content! I know it would a lot of work but it would be really cool if you could go back and also redo your class/archetype videos. Since you made them during the beta of the game, many classes were only halfway done and were missing a lot of traits etc. With all the knowledge of the game you have gained by now it would also be cool if you could give slightly more insight on each archetype with maybe a very rough idea of how to build/play them.
@palecoconut
@palecoconut 2 жыл бұрын
+1
@BarokaiRein
@BarokaiRein Жыл бұрын
Since people have mentioned sorcerer dips for winter witch I might as well mention that if you dip into sorcerer you should ofc dip into crossblooded. Water bloodline to turn all elemental spells into cold spells and one of the dragon bloodlines that gives you +1 damage per dice rolled when casting cold spells.
@velemamba260
@velemamba260 2 жыл бұрын
Winter witch was what I did for my first playthrough. I knew even from the kickstarter that I wanted to play it, and I had fun with it on low difficulty.
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming 4 ай бұрын
Updating videos for the games final updates/patches, this one is up to date besides Assassin which was reworked to be viable.
@EPChanneled
@EPChanneled 4 ай бұрын
Any chance of a hellknight build guide?
@elise-3198
@elise-3198 2 ай бұрын
Winter Witch also got the Winter Child druid, which is a fantastic pair for it.
@sollinman
@sollinman Жыл бұрын
Seriously thank you so much for the damn help in this game. Literally the first 2 days I spent on this game was trying to figure out the classes and your videos have been a tremendous help. I just beat the game for the first time and it's solely on information I ascertained through your wisdom.
@XStarfallen-01
@XStarfallen-01 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, was helpful. I have always had trouble singling out truly terrible prestige classes and so don't play them in the end and I didn't realise how bad assassin is. Mystic Thurge is the only one I truly used so far so you've encouraged me to go back at them have another look on a new playthrough.
@Wunderkind04
@Wunderkind04 2 жыл бұрын
A dev just confirmed that there will be a Mythic option for armored characters now. It's currently waiting on confirmation to be implemented via hotfix, so Hellknight Signif(i)er, as well as other armored characters, should be a lot better off. :)
@daniel.holbrook
@daniel.holbrook 2 жыл бұрын
literally had no idea it was 'signifer' instead of 'signifier' until right now
@ZeFourmis
@ZeFourmis 2 жыл бұрын
Eldritch Knight isn't necessarily tailored toward melee. Sure, you can do that, but Eldritch Knight do make pretty good blasters too. So much so that my Ember almost always becomes an Eldritch Knight. Reasons : - The bonus combat feats are always good to get, especially on a caster that has to sacrifice normal feats on it. - Eldritch Knight count as both caster and fighter class to decide which feats you can choose. This means you can at least get the first tier of Weapon Specialization on Ray, which opens up the Mythic Weapon Specialization feat. - The capstone turn your ray caster into a ray gatling gunner, giving you some free quickened spells now and then. And since a crit on a ray do count for this ability... - Having a better BaB (base attack bonus) than a normal caster is always nice, since ray spells do need an attack roll.
@alanalvarado6525
@alanalvarado6525 2 жыл бұрын
You can dip in sorcerer for the winter witch and get bloodline to transform all magic to cold damage. That fix the low amount of cold spells
@DarthRadical
@DarthRadical 6 ай бұрын
And go Crossblooded Sorcerer (Dragonic/Orc) to get +2 damage/die to every cold spell.
@nessesaryschoolthing
@nessesaryschoolthing 2 жыл бұрын
My first character was an Aldori Swordlord, and it was very fun, but it did take the wind out of my sails a bit when I realized that other classes got basically the same bonuses without the same commitment. That being said, I think it's still the best option if you want to go play a demoralize focused character with dex instead of strength. Demoralize is an unusually forgiving focus anyways, so it's fine to be less than optimal with it.
@AkRYDER0
@AkRYDER0 5 ай бұрын
My first play was Ice Witch. I only did normal difficulty but I did upgrade Freeze spells and cold ability whenever I could. I found the Ice witch to be Incredibly O.P. Just freeze the floor, anything that can't fly remains on their backside. Use your fighters to hack'em to pieces or snowball on auto. Really enjoyed that playthrough.
@DjediVibrations
@DjediVibrations 2 жыл бұрын
Been playing crpgs forever this one has me so fired up as I don't currently Pc game and have only had access to console albeit a ps5. I am excited to see how this runs and plan on starting at core difficulty as I am a DM and feel there's no better way to throw myself in. Now to your build vids thanks Mortim as usual.❤🎉
@scalpingsnake
@scalpingsnake 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when I learned about Hellknights when I first started playing WOTR I really liked the idea of making a Ghost Rider build... Now I know more about the game I am thinking about this build more and more. Aeon of course fits quite well for it. I would want fire based magic obviously, maybe even a fire elemental transform? Some animal that I can ride (bonus points if we can give the animal the fire element attacks). I feel like Hellknight Signifier makes sense but I am not sure how it would actually help practically.
@malterbeton1501
@malterbeton1501 2 жыл бұрын
I like it! I did a classic orc with a twohanded weapon, riding a smilodon charging the hell out of enemies, took the hellknight for the fun and went aeon/devil. Oh it was fun :D
@erikskoog8415
@erikskoog8415 2 жыл бұрын
Good show sir! Actually playing my Lich/wizard and gonna take 2 Hellfire Signifer that last to lvls for the look mostly, the Lich is so strong that it wont be a problem on core haha =)
@JohnnyTightIips
@JohnnyTightIips 2 жыл бұрын
With how many builds you can accomplish without taking a prestige class, they do seem an odd choice in the PF games, but more options is always good :)
@nicodimus2222
@nicodimus2222 2 жыл бұрын
Should get this for PS4 either tomorrow or Friday. Can't wait to be overwhelmed by all the terminology and choices in character creation!
@arnabmitra08
@arnabmitra08 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I wanted to point out that deft strike cannot be gotten from general feats (AFAIK). While slashing grace exists, deft strike works with power attack. Pair that with cornugon smash and shatter defenses, shatter confidence (and aeon's equal force) and you have insane iterative attacks. For some reason in wotr, when you attack with power attack, shatter defenses and shatter confidence trigger at the end of the first attack. So, if the first attack lands, the remaining 2-3 attacks are almost guaranteed. The downside is that you need to get a few demonslayer ranger levels for power attack on a low str character.
@robertpetersenbach6373
@robertpetersenbach6373 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see some content in regards to the standard subclasses that have unique pre-requisites (order of the paw cavalier for example) to help new folks with their decisions in character creation. Love the content!
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming 2 жыл бұрын
That's only the racial archetypes really, flavorful, but most of them are awful
@MrGouldilocks
@MrGouldilocks 2 жыл бұрын
I think arcane trickster is significantly better in Wrath of the righteous than it was in King Maker. High AC enemies are fairly common in Wrath, especially when it comes to optional bosses like playful darkness. As character that can do massive damage with a ranged touch attack is a real asset.
@arokh72
@arokh72 2 жыл бұрын
I love Arcane Trickster for Woljif or my own blaster caster rogue build, if only for how much easier Ranged Legerdemain makes disarming traps etc.
@rareraspberry
@rareraspberry 2 жыл бұрын
I really love Student of War. Go human (for the extra skill point funnily enough), healer background, and Armiger. Great skill monkey and melee character with plenty of feats to customize. I believe it is the only way to deal crits to creatures immune to them (would be curious to find out if this can allow sneak attack too).
@kaidorade1317
@kaidorade1317 2 жыл бұрын
Very useful information right before the Enhanced Edition releases! Thank you sir!
@IndieRagnarok
@IndieRagnarok Жыл бұрын
Buena guía, la verdad crear un personaje en este juego es un grandioso y satisfactorio dolor de cabeza.
@colinsmith1495
@colinsmith1495 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of the prestige classes included were just overshadowed by either the mythic system or the particular campaign, or were just sub-par classes to begin with. The one thing that I think is a potential standout option is the Mystic Theurge with the Legend path. It's a way to actually get 9th level casting in both Arcane and Divine, and save 10 levels for something else (defensive options?). But it still struggles with the second biggest problem for the Mystic Theurge, which is action economy. Even with Quicken and having a whole slew of spellslots with Abundant Casting applying to both, it'll be information overload, analysis paralysis, and there's no way you'll keep your quick slots clean and organized.
@colinsmith1495
@colinsmith1495 2 жыл бұрын
@@gwouru You may be limited to sharing spell levels, but you progress casting in both simultaneously. If you like the class features of your arcane and/or divine casting class, go ahead and level it, but if you want the spellcasting most of all, you can save 10 levels and progress both of them at once.
@Zivilin
@Zivilin 2 жыл бұрын
Playing my first playthrough as a gnome pyromancer MT angel > legend path. Going for oracle (flame) 20/10 crossblooded red dragon bloodline/fire elemental/10 MT. I originally thought lich>legend but i wanted the oracle's final revelation that makes all fire spells empowered automatically. 🔥
@Zivilin
@Zivilin 2 жыл бұрын
@@gwouru because i wanted to do a fun fire damage build with ascendant element and oracle's flame's final revelation
@themeta9273
@themeta9273 2 жыл бұрын
Hellknight signifer is pretty cool with cross blood sorcerer I'm not an expert on the diminishing returns or anything like that but I love the idea of armored spellcasting
@keldor8302
@keldor8302 2 жыл бұрын
If you're not a min-max player on higher difficulties. That will attain and stack buffs and equipment to get the most out of being unarmoured. Specifically for a first play through where you're going in blind. Then taking an armored spellcaster is totally fine. Since it significantly decreases how much stuff you need to keep track of and attain. I really feel that games such as this need to have the looming threat of enemy casters using dispel effects in periodic fights. Specifically to keep the metagaming unarmoured buff stacking in check. Because having the risk of your stacked spells removed (either several or even all of them) during a fight. Would significantly raise the value on armoured spellcasters indirectly.
@MR67UToob
@MR67UToob 2 жыл бұрын
My main gripe about the prestige classes in the Pathfinder games is that there are very few suited to divine casters - they're aimed mostly at warriors and mages. If they do a third Pathfinder crpg, I'd like to see this rectified.
@dregnoff9361
@dregnoff9361 2 жыл бұрын
This! I needed this
@foodomanthemagnificent2650
@foodomanthemagnificent2650 Жыл бұрын
I'm currently trying a summoner Mystic Theurge build with Oracle and Sorc. Packs of doggos for daaaaays!
@b.benjamineriksson6030
@b.benjamineriksson6030 4 ай бұрын
I did Arcane Trickster with Trickster Mythic path. I liked it.
@shawngillogly6873
@shawngillogly6873 2 жыл бұрын
I would say Duelist also dynergizes well with an Aldori Defender. INT stacking onto AC, which is already going to be high even without monk shenanigans. Enhancements to mobility, which a Dex based fighter will love. I wouldn't go 10 lvls. But it's one to take for more than RP. And it fits their RP perfectly. And Mystic Theurge went from the ultimate trap in Kingmaker to a meta choice in Wrath. Because Legend path lets you 9th level cast 2 ways. And with the stat boosts you get, I think the pain is temporary. Very temporary if you confine the 2nd class/prestige class to after you unlock Legend.
@Baraz_Red
@Baraz_Red 2 жыл бұрын
I often felt (KM and WotR) that many of those could have been cool archetype choices, or radical choices around level 10 for many classes, or very niche Feats. Same for some of the new archetypes.
@sarahohara5806
@sarahohara5806 2 жыл бұрын
I pretty much never dabbled in prestige classes since I feel the variety of regular classes and subclasses alone is more than enough to give me builds to play with. The notable exception is Octavia in Kingmaker who usually gets the Arcane Trickster path for me. And even companions who start with a prestige class like Regil get put on a Gendarme path as soon as I can level them up because putting the slow moving gnome on a relatively squishy but quick horse and getting to make a full attack with that gone hooked hammer even after moving is just so delicious. Might not be hard and unfair viable, but those aren't interesting to me anyway. The one class I am curious about is Winter Witch. I might build one for a team in the rougelite DLC. Also, they mentioned in the AMA from yesterday on r/owlcatgames that they are actively working on giving armored builds a way to keep up with the AC stacking of mixed classes. Definitely something I am hyped about. Won't come with the Enhanced Edition but probably at a later point. They way they put it they apparently have it fleshed out, it just needs to be approved.
@youngimperialistmkii
@youngimperialistmkii 2 жыл бұрын
May play a Myatic Theurge in my first playthough.
@aetherialcatnip
@aetherialcatnip 2 жыл бұрын
Assassin got actually good use from a run I did, not due to the poison but the death attack, you can cheese a lot of encounters with it, and, personally, it's fun to sneak around and one shot people
@Zivilin
@Zivilin 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of assassin for its death attack and hips feat.
@casteanpreswyn7528
@casteanpreswyn7528 Жыл бұрын
It's literally easier to just go Trickster and get Persuasion to rank 3. Why death attack your enemies when you can have them do it for you? Lol
@zebfirehd9102
@zebfirehd9102 Жыл бұрын
If you ever feel like any of these classes are useless just remember that you can chose to have goblins and reptiles humanoids as your favorite enemy.
@trazyntheinfinite9895
@trazyntheinfinite9895 9 ай бұрын
Mystic theurge or loremaster are great because they allow you to put 2 classes with utility into one dude, freeing up a party slot for another dude with a bonk stick.
@edmonkeys3
@edmonkeys3 Жыл бұрын
Informative. Thanks for vid
@TheYannir
@TheYannir 2 жыл бұрын
I do think Slayer is an optimal base class pick for Student of War. But only as a level 8+ mercenary since you really want to be able to skip Dex completely in favor of more Int and get to level 2 SoW right away. That would be painful for a MC starting at level 1, waiting for level 8 to get useful. Eldritch Scoundrel is another one that could make a good Student of War.
@Biouke
@Biouke Жыл бұрын
Whatever the game, if I can be sneaky caster then I'll definitely pick sneaky caster. So knowing that sneaky caster is a pretty good prestige class in PotR makes me happy. And maybe this time I'll actually take some damage spells instead of focusing on utility since you can't have the entertainment of watching the DM's face dissolve every time you gain a level in a computer game :p "Who cares about combat? I can pick locks from afar!"
@exoxultrum4131
@exoxultrum4131 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah
@happyninja42
@happyninja42 2 жыл бұрын
So question about the Mystic Theurge. You said it lets you progress both divine and arcane spell casting as you level....does that mean that even if you, let's say only take the minimum of divine casting needed for the class, and then spend the rest of your time in arcane class progression, your divine casting level would advance on par with your arcane? So you'd have, say, both 4th level spellcasting in arcane and divine, even if you only had 2 levels in cleric, but every other level was wizard? Is that how that works? I'm currently building an abjuration wizard, but I wouldn't mind having some divine casting ability with him as well.
@alex-uw4mm
@alex-uw4mm 2 жыл бұрын
hellknight also gets you armor training out side of fighter
@death5244
@death5244 2 жыл бұрын
I played my first playthrough with core difficulty(+Additional enemy behaviors on(which made me unable to get achievements about doing stuff on core difficulty which Im still salty about)) on wizard->4 hellknight signifier (+eldritch knight) and it was pretty decent. just put your best mithral plate on, buff and go hit stuff until you crit. granted it would obviously been better to take dip level in scaled fist and go sorcerer + 4dragon disciple + eldritch knight (maybe two levels in paladin for charisma bonus to saves) but heavy armor sword mage does work on core difficulty at least. granted i went legend so end game was really easy
@DSzaks
@DSzaks 2 жыл бұрын
There is literally no reason for any wizard class not to spec into loremaster. It is essentially just trading 2 feats for 5 feats and a few other minor bonuses. Even for caster classes that do have some neat progression unlocks you can just throw a point into it if you meet the requirements (which you probably will anyway) to pick up a free feat Since very few full caster classes have keystone abilities (that are worth getting).
@DarthRadical
@DarthRadical Жыл бұрын
I agree that the first 4 levels are best, but levels 5-8 of Dragon Disciple are solid for a gish build. 9-10 probably aren't worth losing another spellcasting level mechanically. (While Pathfinder's DD is much better overall, I do kinda miss how the 3.5 version actually made you a dragon type creature at 10th level.)
@janrautenstrauch4729
@janrautenstrauch4729 2 жыл бұрын
That'S the one thing i wish there would be more of in the game: prestige classes. Just cause - like mentioned in the video - most aren't that useful. And that's sad cause they're one of the coolest thing D&D has. I remember roleplaying a lot as arcane archer (yes, eventhough the class isn't that grat either).
@iandevine3063
@iandevine3063 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like duelist is great for higher difficulty with sword saint like you said to stack ac. It's been a while since I used one on hard and never have done it on insane but it was really good when I used it with some added utility at the cost of total damage output.
@WasLilChrisnowbigish
@WasLilChrisnowbigish 2 жыл бұрын
The Assasin class is just a trap for the uninformed. There are ways around Elemental immunity so why can't Assassins get around poison immunity, because even with that buff they will still be a pretty meh class.
@aaronjohnson1649
@aaronjohnson1649 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone what time does the Enhanced Edition come out on PC?
@Mystra
@Mystra 2 жыл бұрын
I plan to play the game on hard tonight, is it worth it to go into any prestige class, particularly as a caster class? Or better off as a full level 20 sub class?
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming 2 жыл бұрын
If youre trying to make a blaster caster Arcane Trickster can be fun
@ajpace7044
@ajpace7044 2 жыл бұрын
Question: I plan on playing as magus(Eldritch scion) with Eldritch Knight as my prestige class later on. Would that be considered useless or no?
@olivierklein762
@olivierklein762 2 жыл бұрын
Have they fixed the Loremaster? because last time i played you couldn't get the spell secrets (druid, mage and cleric spells)...
@Zathurious
@Zathurious 2 жыл бұрын
On the mystic theurge: how do you get the ability to cast both arcane and divine spells? Which default class allows that? I still haven't figured it out...
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming 2 жыл бұрын
You have to multiclass with a class that can do each
@TheGrunaldi
@TheGrunaldi 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Paly 3/TShieldFighter 7 /Stalwart Defender 10 on unfair as a main tank and she have never failed me ...sure dex tank is better but my heavy tank is still ok on unfair
@Badbentham
@Badbentham 2 жыл бұрын
In Kingmaker, it was even spicier to get a couple of Thug levels in the mix, to go for mass intimidation. And, more Fighter levels yielded more juicy feats. Picking Divine Guardian even allowed my PC to protect his main tank romance option, Valerie:: well, lady is first.^^
@Mereinid
@Mereinid 2 жыл бұрын
Good video Mortum. Question: Will/does these Prestige classes actually have different RP dialogue and events/instances, based on said classes, within the game to make you *want* to play them? Or, is it all up to you to do the internal monologuing? (did this make sense?)
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming 2 жыл бұрын
They do not
@Samissa806
@Samissa806 2 жыл бұрын
I think I remember getting a special dialog line when talking to the golden dragon whose name I forgot if as I had dragon disciple (or is it not the topic and I misread the comment?)
@captainsmellyparts5579
@captainsmellyparts5579 Жыл бұрын
Hellknights get unique interactions. My Hellknight who worships the Godclaw gets cool interactions based on my class and religion.
@Davlavi
@Davlavi 2 жыл бұрын
cool.
@BrentHasCoolDogs
@BrentHasCoolDogs Жыл бұрын
You guys have any thoughts on a Aldori Defender/Swordlord/Duelist/Sword Saint build? I was thinking about a good dex based off-tank front liner and those classes seem to synergize very well. I just don't have a ton of Pathfinder experience so I'm open to any thoughts or criticisms.
@BrentHasCoolDogs
@BrentHasCoolDogs Жыл бұрын
To clarify, I was thinking Human for race and for classes Defender-5, Sword Saint-8, Sword lord-3, Duelist-4. But I'm open to ideas. Edit: I'm playing on core difficulty.
@hecklerkoch7470
@hecklerkoch7470 Жыл бұрын
Why off tank when you can become full tank with ss, just dip 1 in monk scaled fist 1 level sorc for mytic ascend element and archmage armor take 14lv on ss for dimension strike
@PsyKotyK
@PsyKotyK 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder why there are so little charactor portraits to chooses from
@jasonpurcellau
@jasonpurcellau 2 жыл бұрын
They really should of made assassins poisons bypass resistances.
@benjovi356
@benjovi356 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Would you say this guide applies to the same Prestige classes in Kingmaker? I'm being lame and playing that one first...
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it will
@benjovi356
@benjovi356 2 жыл бұрын
@@MortismalGaming Thanks for that and Thanks for all you do.
@Amdor
@Amdor 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I kinda never really tried at prestige classes. Always felt like too much of a hustle (except that one time I played NwN 1 as a paladin/blackguard but that one was cause of edgelord in me)
@mrcopycat2355
@mrcopycat2355 2 жыл бұрын
Huh! Assassin was a pretty good prestige class in 3e D&D. Not only was it flavorful it also used to give you spellcasting with its own list. This one doesnt. I doubt its different in tabletop? Its not like a specific rogue class cant have spells (cough Eldritch scoundrel) Yeah, I'd say that without spells Assassin doesnt have much going for it. However, its other main boon still applies: sneak attack at first level. This was true for 3e as well and its the same reason people dip vivisectionist. You end up with more dice than a straight rogue
@SaalikJaeger
@SaalikJaeger 7 ай бұрын
I’m still hoping we can get a shadow dancer prestige…
@rickkhemai1443
@rickkhemai1443 2 жыл бұрын
wotr not showing up on the PSN Store, somehow dissappeared and i dont know whats wrong or the reason why
@austen8718
@austen8718 Жыл бұрын
As someone new to WoTR and coming from NWN2, its interesting that prestige classes are kinda meh in a lot of cases. It felt like NWN2 had much better options for prestige classes, and more of them too.
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming Жыл бұрын
Pathfinder 1e expanded the base classes a ton coming from dnd 3.5 which made a lot of the prestige classes less interesting and/or useful
@ArdannaL
@ArdannaL 2 жыл бұрын
Would you put a Divine Hound with a Lore Master?
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming 2 жыл бұрын
No, I wouldnt use any class that isn't a full caster
@Dawnseeker_Ch
@Dawnseeker_Ch 2 жыл бұрын
It's a shame more of the prestige classes really weren't that good (i wouldn't know since in pc games i tend to play a particular role as a preference rather than experimenting) and have to agree with the other commenter that prestige classes are just as much about story flavor and headcannon... dragon disciple is just a really fun concept and being a bit more dragony to the goofy little dragon sister keeps making me smile. Starting to consider the alternative idea of mounted combat on top of aivu and how to best acheive that (perhaps cavalier of the paw so you can ride aivu sooner?) thoughts for another day when my wotr EE update stops allocating ram during load so bad it literally tries to take over 20 gigs of ram >.>
@zombi3DS
@zombi3DS 2 жыл бұрын
Assassin really shouldn't be thought of as centered around poison use as you have said here and elsewhere. Their big feature is supposed to be the death attack which is still kinda meh due to how the game discerns combat/stealth working and enemy saves being ballooned by the modified stats from templates and "rebalancing" vs tabletop. They made up a kind of eh working poison system since Assassin is already weak so completely taking it away would and been cruel and actually creating a poison use system and adding the 6-7 rogue talents and discoveries built around making poison viable would have been way more work.
@Zivilin
@Zivilin 2 жыл бұрын
The main feature i saw in assassin was its hips feat at level 8. Being able to cheese encounters and go in and out of sneak mode at will is very powerful
@zombi3DS
@zombi3DS Жыл бұрын
@@Zivilin While Hide in Plain Sight is helpful for sure, Shadowdancer PrC is much more known for having that feature (getting it at level 1). HiPS is really great for setting up death attacks in the tabletop since you can hide during combat.
@philipchamon2951
@philipchamon2951 2 жыл бұрын
I stil dont get how i unlock those classes i completed game 2 times
@andrewfofana3465
@andrewfofana3465 2 жыл бұрын
Of dammit I really was hoping assassin would be good cause I'm such of stabby stabby rouge lover 😭
@bigwig8657
@bigwig8657 2 жыл бұрын
I've been meaning to do the legendary mythic path with mystic theurge to get maxed casting levels in both arcane and divine, but I have no idea how to go about building it.
@AliasAerius
@AliasAerius 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard that you can get pretty close to that with the Angel and Lich Mythic Paths from merging spellbooks.
@keldor8302
@keldor8302 2 жыл бұрын
A very fun alternative to the atypical sorc/cleric theurge build. Is to go bard/inquisitor. You won't get the same high level spells. But, you'll gain the unique aspects of both classes along with combat and skill proficiency when going legend. Taking the inquisitor subclass that grants monster summons teamwork feats while also buffing them with bardic songs. Is honestly hilarious.
@Raizearche
@Raizearche 2 жыл бұрын
.... today I learned the class is, in fact, HK Signifer and not Signifier.
@severussnape2917
@severussnape2917 2 жыл бұрын
Neat
@MrGouldilocks
@MrGouldilocks 2 жыл бұрын
Eldritch Knight is an incredibly boring prestige class but arguably the strongest one there is. I think you're under selling it a little bit by just saying it's a different version of Magus. EK is the only class in the game that will give you you full base attack bonus progression as well as full spellcaster progression. Magus gets average spellcaster progression and average BAB.
@onatgz
@onatgz 2 жыл бұрын
free comment.
@Baraz_Red
@Baraz_Red 2 жыл бұрын
The Stalwart Defender could have been such an awesome class, but its stance is only about 10 rounds per day (4+Con modifier)... sigh (and the defensive powers only work during that stance). It would have been nice at low levels, but around level 7+, it is just weak and boring. As a low-level fighter archetype, it could have been OK, but even then the stance would need a different system or logic.
@Ugnutz
@Ugnutz 2 жыл бұрын
Assassin just needs Ascendent element poison to be added to the game and problem solved
@cykablyat9526
@cykablyat9526 2 жыл бұрын
if they keep to their word and add transmog to the game ill be back in no time
@MrChaosAdam
@MrChaosAdam 2 жыл бұрын
Assassin is superseded in literally evertyhing by Slayer.
@waspmaster1
@waspmaster1 2 жыл бұрын
"Gish", what's that?
@MortismalGaming
@MortismalGaming 2 жыл бұрын
A character thats good at martial combat and spellcasting
@CyberSkelly817
@CyberSkelly817 2 жыл бұрын
No shame in playing on Normal or something.
@VvodeAn
@VvodeAn 2 ай бұрын
Normal is already hard enough for me who's still learning 😅
@Kerath
@Kerath 2 жыл бұрын
Armor is such a stupid, stupid thing in Pathfinder. You basically don't want any to be as tanky as possible. Old and unbalanced system, for sure could use baked-in damage reduction for all the armors to even attempt to balance the AC out.
@bobsatan69
@bobsatan69 2 жыл бұрын
I love,loremaster,arcane trickster, duelist and mystic theurge. I played a winter witch and found it absolutely useless there aren't enough cold spells in the game to be worth it though some of those cold spells do pack a punch against certain enemies.
@Zivilin
@Zivilin 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't there a mythic feat or something that allows you to transform your other elemental spells into cold spells? I swear i saw an option like that at some point.
@bobsatan69
@bobsatan69 2 жыл бұрын
@@Zivilin possibly though I'm not sure I have to admit I haven't paid much attention to mythic abilities. I keep forgetting I have them.
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