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[@Brookler]

Green lights for the green channel. I like it

[@leonesushi]

metoo

[@kieronparr3403]

Same

[@MatthaisUK]

As a player, Chris Sutton was Alan Shearer's strike partner at Blackburn when they won the Premiership in 1995. He snubbed an England B call up and flopped at Chelsea after that though, only finding solace in being a flat track bully in Scotland with Celtic. As a pundit, he's an annoying whinging git, as you've just discovered.

[@timothymoss4945]

He has good points, such as his view on the disrespect of David Moyes, but he plays to the drama. It’s why he has the gig of hosting shows like 606 - he plays devils advocate very well.

[@GFOE1978]

I was just gonna say he is a prick....

[@gezblair]

He’s played for about eight clubs in 12 years. Fair enough but don’t start making out your the original Mr Badge Kisser

[@aaronhurst4379]

Yeah, at least his shtick had potential to be entertaining when paired with Robbie Savage on BT Sport Score, for example

[@stokerino1905]

Spent years disliking him to an irrational degree because Chelsea spent so much on him and he sucked (but went on to score goals at Celtic, which annoyed me more). The fact that he's turned into a know-nothing idiot pundit feels validating for me, even though that is equally nonsense reasoning.

[@kaziem]

The most Annoying argument is the Argument that never ends because the Argument that never ends is the most annoying argument that never ends.

[@FunkyGhostHD]

Crazy? I was crazy once-

[@liam8664]

As a West Ham season ticket holder who was at the Arsenal game, who also stayed till the end, I completely understand the ones who left. I left 5 minutes before half time to get some food, I heard about the 3rd goal as I was ordering a pie, and the 4th as I was paying for the same pie. When I got back to my seat, my row was completely empty. But I have no issue with them leaving, why stay and watch that shit? The only joy I had the whole game was in the 80 something minute as we celebrated getting a corner, which was immediately crossed straight to their goalkeeper. I stayed partly for the novelty, partly to see how much more empty it would get, and partly cos the trains weren’t even running and I had to fucking drive half way there and knew it would take ages getting home, probably another reason why so many people left At no point did I think the ones that were leaving were less fans then me, or I was a more of a fan for staying. Anyone who judges someone’s “fandom” for leaving a game where their team was playing shit and is 4-0 at half time is delusional. More delusional than the guy who was a couple rows behind me who genuinely still thought we had a chance at 5-0. Also, the score line wasn’t even the thing that annoyed me most, it was Declan Rice scoring

[@Chazshinshin]

Fellow hammer here, getting shit from Man Utd fan friends for our fans walking out (None of us live within 3 hours of our teams) and it drove me insane. I manage to get to one or two games a year through lack of money and living so far away, and if that was one of the two games i get to a year, i wouldve also left early.

[@lautarop4995]

@@Chazshinshin Man United fans? Really? They left in mass in games against their biggest rivals twice in 2 years, 0 shame and 0 self awarness from your friends

[@The_Guy_You_Love_To_Hate]

It's not about being more or less of a fan. It's about not turning your back to the guys who took you out on the streets and brought silverware to the team after god knows how long.

[@OneTwoManyFew]

Those fans spent their hard earned money, took time out of their lives to go watch that team fold. None of the people complaining about this watched the game, saw how the players capitulated, how the manager left them out to dry. It's disrespectful to the fans to conduct yourself the way they did, and people voted with their feet.

[@Arsenal_fan7]

I am gonna be honest i was watching the game last season where we lost 4-1 to Man City on TV and when it was the 3rd goal (3-0) i turned it off and went to my bed crying realising that we may not win the title so i did something simular as the West Ham fans did during half time against us.

[@parmaman8551]

One thing to bear in mind that it's an absolute nightmare getting out of West Ham's stadium. You have to wait minimum an hour to get on any form of transport as they stagger people leaving the area. So leaving early, especially when your team are getting battered, isn't a bad idea. Also on Radio 5 live they tend to make controversial takes to get more people to call in after the game.

[@aaronhurst4379]

Same with TalkSport

[@judeclotworthy5457]

I'm a Yeovil fan, I've been going since I was 5 (now 21). I've seen us lose a lot of matches, but I've never left a match early for two reasons. 1) No matter how badly we've played, I always want to show some level of appreciation to the players and 2) something genuinely memorable could happen, even if it was for the other team. If I had been at the game where Ibra scored that ridiculous overhead kick against England, I'd have been gutted that I hadn't seen it because I'd left early, even though it was against my team. To be clear, I understand completely why others would leave matches early, and I probably have a slightly different mentality supporting a lower league team. Sometimes it's not just about the team you came to watch, but also about the actual football that you get to see.

[@AleNuexGamer]

Bit of a side topic but I went to Yeovil away years ago, did you ever get seating installed in the away stand? The pedaloo in Weymouth was nice too 😂

[@judeclotworthy5457]

@@AleNuexGamer not in the main away stand, no. There is a bit of seating on the left side for away fans, possibly wasn't used for away fans when you visited as it's part of the existing stand

[@LiftandCoa]

7:20 "Unlike the team, i actually showed up that day" :D

[@jordylont1879]

Gatekeeping sports fandom is literally the dumbest and least important thing I could ever think of doing

[@taecrowder52]

Keep the green i makes u gleam

[@Countryballs326]

Cool u stopped kids from saying first

[@taecrowder52]

@@Countryballs326 🫡🤝

[@garethgunter4392]

Honestly I agree I only ever walked out of 1 game and that was when we lost 7 nill after losing to Kidderminster in the cup, you stay to show respect to the team for their usual performance. But its probably different at a smaller club

[@schlauchflicker]

Well I don't agree with Big Z, I believe his decision to die on this hill goes to show that there is a fundamental difference between US and European/South American fan culture. I think one big reason is that losses in American sports league are often inconsequential, sometimes you even expect to lose to get a good draft pick next season. Teams give up on purpose, fans feel they can just give up as well. Zealand grew up with this mentality, so he tries to justify it, I can understand that. But you cannot apply that logic on European football, where relegation is a real threat, teams can disappear with too many bad results, there are consequences to that. I don't blame Z for not having gone through that and thus not getting why it is crucial for a fan to support a team no matter what.

[@benficademacaufan]

@@schlauchflickeryou still go to games, but what’s staying down 6-1 gonna do. I’m American as well, and I go to almost every buffalo bills home game so I. May be biasef

[@rafaeldacosta4128]

First of all, great video! Here in Brazil this culture of "you are not a real fan" is really big... The main argument is that is like a marriage: "for better, for worse" kinda thing... I think that Sutton was (poorly) trying to say that: "you souldn't give up in these moments, because, if so, you're not worthy celebrating when things get better, yadda yadda" While I do think this is stupid, I also think that there are some things that a fan should not do, like straight betting against his team, or doing something that in a major way supports a rival (being a club member, for example) (I seen these kinds of things happen before, that's why i'm mentioning those specifically)

[@matthewmatthewmatthew]

man sometimes the odds are way too good not to bet against your own team

[@rafaeldacosta4128]

@@matthewmatthewmatthew my brother did that... We won and I rub it in every time I get a chance... He never did it again

[@LiftandCoa]

"Yeah, im not a real fan, always preferred atletico" Sorry, i see myself out.

[@LiftandCoa]

Ayo, man. You just dont that. Not because its offensive, but because you know exactly your team is winning that game comfortably. @@matthewmatthewmatthew

[@rafaeldacosta4128]

@@LiftandCoa I'll be honest here: maybe it was because I just woke up, but it took me a while to get that one... B- though, good effort

[@fentonkroll]

I think at end of the day, no one should judge others how the support their team. Everyone have their own way. I understand his point.

[@bubble4072]

And some fans are better fans than others...

[@scottay1233]

As a NY Jets fan I can confirm leaving games at halftime is a common practice 😂

[@jaysteveo9632]

Leaving early doesn't make anyone less of a fan. I just feel that it's better to support the team in the bad moments to appreciate and savour the good moments. As a Sheffield United fan watching all of the 8-0 loss to Newcastle, 5-0 to Burnley etc makes the 3 wins we have oh so sweet (and that Derby's record is safe for another team to take).

[@TheBigRedOutlaw]

you get it. I am a sheff united fan myself

[@Brookler]

Spare a thought for Harrogate Town who lost 9-2 away from home to Mansfield Town yesterday.

[@Blockhead-lc6fr]

*my team is losing* me: 🗿

[@The_Guy_You_Love_To_Hate]

The quote "they were there, they were supporting the team. Then the team was terrible, so they left" is exactly what the issue is. The players need even more support when they are terrible, especially when being terrible is a rare thing for West Ham in the last 4 seasons.

[@IntoTheSkyy]

No, they don't. People have better things to do than watching their team be bad

[@GodsSmallestScrunkly]

if the fans stayed, i guarentee you they arent going to "give support". theyre going to boo. theyre going to hurl abuse at the players for playing poorly. supporting them through a single bad game doesnt mean you sit and be miserable for the second half, then get take it out on the players at the end. west ham arent exactly in form atm, but their attendance isnt significantly lower as a result. doesnt scream "fake fans" to me

[@EstariaValens]

Fans don't owe anything to the players. Fans are the consumers, and players are the product. I bought a logitech mouse 20 years ago. It worked great. So I've bought logitech most of my life. But if a logitech mouse breaks, I don't keep using it. I go buy another logitech mouse. And thusfar, I've had no reason to regret doing that. One might say I'm a fan of Logitech mice.

[@The_Guy_You_Love_To_Hate]

@@EstariaValens You can do that. You can even support another team if the one you currently do disappoints you once. It's fine. Nothing's gonna happen to you, honestly. I need you guys to understand that. All I'm saying is that in my opinion you can't call yourself a "supporter" and not do the thing the freaking word itself says when the team when they're being terrible. Especially when they're being terrible.

[@kawtrone666]

In a nutshell 'Chris Sutton' was Alan Shearer's strike partner when he was at Blackburn when Rovers won the EPL in the 94-95 season.

[@dontwannaname]

I think the question is about the crowd's role at a match. Are they there to be entertained or are they there to support the team? And that mean support them, even when they are playing poorly. I once sat through a game where my team was 7-0 down at home and the ground was nearly empty but those that stayed kept chanting and my team scored once in the last minute and the celebrations were a lot of fun.

[@owenrodgers8020]

That's great for you... The answer to your first question is 50/50 ... It's a mutual relationship, not one way from either party

[@davidmilankovic1511]

!!!!

[@tabletbrothers3477]

Keep the green background for Zealandism. It is a great visual to let viewers know which love your channels they're watching, if they didn't see it before they clicked.

[@freopt]

Rays were in the World Series 3 years ago and have the third best winning percentage in MLB since 2010

[@saintbeesechurger2800]

Literally one of the best and most well run teams in MLB

[@sebm2109]

I almost fell out of my chair when he said the rays are bad they have been one of the best in the league for half a decade.

[@flyingskier1913]

I think he was talking about growing up because before like Longoria they were really bad. Since the Bucs and Lightning have also been successful recently

[@ZeezyTop]

The team isn't paying me to be there, so why would I stay if I'm not having a good time?

[@gijsw8681]

Exactly

[@davidmilankovic1511]

You're such a lioness! Only when it's a good times huh 😂😂😂

[@benx2752]

As a German Arsenal Fan, I have many Schalke Fans as Friends. They’ve been ASS for years now, yet the fans still turn up and STAY during the games, no matter how they get battered. That’s true, real and unconditional fans. Because you don’t sign Tom Brady in football. Stay with your team through thick and thin, THAT‘S a proper fan

[@ganaed9954]

5:43 imagine the players leaving the stadium lol

[@TheMiist]

The point is you’re a unit and the boys need to hear your support when they’re feeling down

[@TH1RDP3RSON]

i agree with most of what u said but you can’t deny that the “IS THERE A FIRE DRILL?” chant is absolutely fucking hilarious

[@theov527]

I support west ham and i think the reason why many people left was because of our bad form recently compared to the rest of the season which has numbed us so i think that unfortunately we have to get winded once in a while to knock us back to reality.

[@Cleve.mp4]

i understand why people would leave early but personally, (aston villa season ticket holder of 15 years) i have never left early because i want to support my team as much as possible.

[@thecallidus6654]

In Germany it's the same. To paraphraase the Point about the fans. The Fans are the 12th man on the Pitch. And you don't leave until it's over. It's simple as that you are not just there to have some fun and entertainment you have a responsibility to stand with the players. Furthermore it's fangroupse against each other who are the better supporters and leaving before the final whistle is seen as weak in that context. you are the worse supporter. German Football teams are seen as Extansion of Communities and cultures not just an Entertainment product.

[@leonesushi]

I guess leaving is not the best way of supporting your team when losing. In real life leaving such a bad situation in that way would be pretty disrespectful to the other person. Which might need supporting and comforting. Like the losing football team. In Germany a lot of the fans are singing despite losing. In my opinion that's the nicer way of support in a bad situation. And it shows respect and affection.

[@dylanpage-matthews2703]

In defense to the West Ham fans, their team gave up in that game. If the team isnt going to care, why should the fans? Its a spectator sport, if the team doesnt deliver value for money, why would anyone want to sit through it. I'm English, but i find this "you must stay to the end" such an elitist mentality, like somehow you're a better person for suffering with your football team.

[@TRITECHTIFF]

As a derby fan through the infamous 11 points season I honestly believe that it is perfectly acceptable to leave as a sign of your dissatisfaction of the teams performance when it is due to that fact. Sometimes you get beat big because the other team is just simply better than yours. Then you should stay and support the lads (your team) for doing their best. Ultimately if you pay to go, you can leave whenever you want. Its your money after all.

[@babylol8]

You support your team regardless if it's a win, draw or defeat, even a thrashing. Premier League price out most real fans, so most of the stands are plastic.

[@hannahwilliamson5921]

For context on who Chris Sutton is; ex-striker, burst onto the scene as a key part of Norwich's team in the early 90s that finished 3rd in the first Premier League season and knocked Bayern out of the UEFA Cup. Then moved to Blackburn and won the title in '95, forming a great partnership with Alan Shearer, before an unsuccessful spell at Chelsea. Rebuilt his career at Celtic before ending his career playing for both Birmingham clubs, City and Villa. That being said, I don't think he's a very good pundit, constantly says inflammatory things and gets press coverage because of it.

[@daviebananas1735]

This is a bad take. I assume that supporting sports teams in the US is different, but in the UK it’s so ingrained in our culture that it’s definitely frowned upon to leave this early. If fans only supported clubs when they were winning and deserted when they were getting beaten it’s not true support. Not that they’re not fans at all, but they’re certainly showing that they are less loyal supporters. To pretend that the “fans” who leave at half time every game are as committed to supporting the team as the others is patently absurd. Call yourself a fan if you want. You should give your ticket to someone who cares.

[@Zikos1127]

Personally (as a fan of a League One team) I'd never leave a game early whatever happened. I feel like the players I support and watch week in/week out deserve my support for the entire game and leaving early would be disrespectful both to my club and to the opponents

[@fearthedeerreckmon8741]

I can see this point but my counter to it is, that if I hold this view then I also deserve respect back. And if the team is putting abysmal effort, and has given up on the pitch before the game ends they have disrespected the fans. And the proper response to that disrespect in my opinion is to leave. If you disrespect the fans you don't deserve the fans

[@Zikos1127]

@@fearthedeerreckmon8741 again, I see your point but if I'm honest no matter how dire things have been I don't think I've ever seen my team give up, and I'd never disrespect that Of course, if your team *does* give up completely, I can see why but I still would never leave a game early no matter the circumstances

[@owenrodgers8020]

​@@Zikos1127that's great for you

[@phucyfillk5535]

Keep the lights green on this channel.

[@mariobouco6270]

For me there is a difference between Follow and Support. I, as most fans of this beautiful game , follow lots of teams and I even sing with the fans if I attend their games and, if they are losing 4-0, you bet I would leave the match, because they don't mean that much to me. But I only support 1 team. I'd NEVER leave a game of that team. Being a Supporter of a team is about passion. I acknowledge that sometimes you can feel frustrated and want to leave in protest because your team is constantly being shit and you want something to change. But if they are trying their best and giving everything to win, week in and out, you shouldn't take away your support just because of 1 bad game. In fact, that's when players need you the most. To know they are not alone, and they can pick the team up because you support them no matter what. Both channels are great Zealand, keep up the good work. Love from Argentina

[@Omit1tulliportin]

As an avid hockey fan I would say Tampa has been one of the best in league for a decade now, not just the past 5 years. Since 2013-14 season they have missed the playoffs only once and have been in the finals 4 times (winning 2)

[@backwardhippo6586]

3 cups in 31 years of existence is actually really good. Rangers have 4 in 100 years lol

[@GOgg13s]

A bit off topic, but if you don't know the Tampa Bay Rowdies (USL) are pretty good.

[@Suburban_Sasquatch]

Completely fair form of protest against what is happening on the pitch, in the dugout and in the boardroom. West Ham fans all knew there was no coming back from this, we have one of the thinnest, oldest squads in the league and a manager who has lost the dressing room. We have been in freefall since the last time we played Arsenal

[@filipnilsson8688]

I dont get it though, what was the expectations for this season? Feels like west ham have been doing well since moyes took over with a cup as well to show

[@OneTwoManyFew]

Expectations aren't the issue here. It's a case of 1 step forward, 2 steps back. We had a pretty good first half of the season (if you ignore throwing both domestic cup competitions), and rather than take that as a platform to reach higher, the leadership used it as an excuse to settle. We sold 3 players in January, including 2 in the same position. We bought in 1 player, that while good, does not play in a priority position. They took a thin squad and made it thinner. Arsenal was a breaking point, and one that could be seen from a mile off.

[@Jurkasz]

If my team plays badly, but they're trying their best, I don't leave, no matter the score. Losing with the wrong tactics, having a bad day, being unlucky or getting on the wrong end of the refereeing are all acceptable. However, if I see my team is losing badly and they make zero effort to try and score, I just leave. They don't deserve my support if they're not even trying.

[@iirovaltonen4258]

To be honest. The fandom aspect is different. It is not better in Europe but I am quite certain that, on average, sports fandom makes a bigger portion of a fan's identity here than it does in the States. There are many reasons for this, some of which are historical, cultural or socio-economic - doesn't really matter. As I said, it is not "better" but it is more important relatively speaking. I come from Finland where ice hockey is the biggest sport and we are like halfway between England/Germany sports culture and the US sports culture. I would prefer if as a nation we had more harcore fans for our teams. I am watching my hockey team's away match on TV right now (watching this in between periods) and the home team's arena is half empty and quite silent. And I think that it is a shame because more noise and singing makes the spectacle more spectacular and entertaining. edit: the fans leaving the stadium are not, again on average, as big fans the fans that stayed. It does not make them better or worse, they just have other things to do. If you have nothing except West Ham then you will stay because it is more important to you.

[@user-dp7tn7zl1b]

As someone who has listened to Chris Sutton as a pundit they say stuff like this all the time to purposefully rile people

[@jakejenkz]

If only we could have a beer and watch the game at the stadium.

[@matthewbarber13]

I personally have never left a game early in 20 years of following Reading FC, but I understand when fans are frustrated enough by a bad performance to leave early, it doesn’t make you any less of a fan

[@brianbks02]

So, I support Dundee United - we lost 9 - 0 to Celtic a couple of seasons ago. Thousands of United fans left, as to be expected - I happened to stay the whole match because that's what I usually do, I watch the whole game. I don't claim to be any better of a fan for watching us lose that badly. It's a ridiculous argument.

[@sjeskey8361]

God i would love a podcast version of Zealand just chattin about football, would work really well for my travels.

[@timlett99]

This reminds me of the numerous tweets that say something along the lines of "when referring to your favorite team you can't say we" and I find it so stupid because how could you think you're in control of someones fandom? When trying to argue who is real and who is fake is incredibly redundant because everyone has their reason and you, me, Sutton, Ze, no one has any ground to tell you how to be a fan. Now of course there are more casual fans than others but that means nothing at the end of the day because if you decide to call yourself a fan then you're a fan and thats that.

[@Midtable1881]

I remember when Newcastle were 4-0 down at half-time against Arsenal back in 2011, they came back to make it 4-4 in the second half. Loving the green btw.

[@LiftandCoa]

As a german we have some quite intense fan culture as well. And while there is genuinely no real discussion about "your are not a rEaL FaN" there is this idea that you arent really up to it when you leave early. It often gets refered to as "Plastic" and "Glory hunting" and many Ultras do not understand you doing it and would be quite grumpy conversationalists if spoken to. And while i agree when thinking about *myself* (!) i would never judge anybody else for leaving while we get blown out. Not everybody is downright delusional enough to still go watch them when they gathered 21 points in 26 games and are tumbling towards amateur football (times rough yo) - and be kinda happy about (not that we get relegated into amateur sports but the athmosphere is still baller :D). Not everybodysuch a significant (it sounds like im a total ultra, im not, i just really love this football club and what it stands for) portion of their life to their football club. Not everybody "marries" it and therefore not everybody has to stay "for better and for worst". People honestly have better things to do. A nice dinner with the wife, some time spend with the children, or slinging some dick in the club, get a coke habit, spiral out of control, end up Kurt Cobain'ing yourself all sound like great alternatives (yes its that bad, please send help)

[@Msyfr]

To be fair… last week’s game between PSG and Rennes, the PSG supporters didn’t stop singing nor supporting till the last minute before even the penalty! I was at the game and that blew my mind giving how late the equaliser was!

[@xFurashux]

Keep the green lights for this channel. It's a nice distinction.

[@hammeroli5438]

it’s the only way to protest the manager as a supporter - how entitled are some of these people who say this

[@bubble4072]

If you protest, don't show up and don't support the team. If you buy a ticket and support the club this way and then go to a game, where you sit silent for 60 minutes and then leave, cuz you go down 5 nil is embarrassing.

[@Dylan-ym2fc]

I guess in a Premier League match that didn't have a huge amount riding on it, you may be right. But things like Liverpool's miracle of Istanbul wouldn't happen if the players didn't come out 3-0 down to their fans with scarves in the air signing you'll never walk alone. It's part of the culture of football clubs, those players have done well all season to get you fighting for European places against expectations and you turn your back on them when things go against them? The way US sport is structured I understand there's less attachment and so it's not something you're used to. That 05 final we could only watch on TV, 3-0 down age 9 I went upstairs miserable and my Dad forced me back down to watch the 2nd half because we never give up on our lads. They repaid that bond with one of the best nights of my life and that philosophy has stuck with me for life.

[@ChicoKaleka]

I - a random nobody - think there's a major difference in the "types of fans", and by that I mean these people (Chris Sutton) expect fans to go to the stadium to support the team, whilst the counter argument is that people go to games to have a good time. In Brasil, especially in the Gavioes da Fiel, Corinthians' Ultras, some dudes will genuinely have their backs to the pitch to check if people are cheering the team, which creates two sides of the same coin, on one hand they're "true fans" and whatever, but they're also super anoying

[@queenzoroark]

Eles não iam dar suporte ao Corinthians se tivessem tomando 6-0 do Palmeiras, estariam caçando os jogadores por terem perdido de um jeito humilhante

[@kieronparr3403]

Bro crying doesnt make you less of a man. Ive cried every day this week, including right now and im a 38 year old man

[@pulleyfm8585]

I flew to another city and watched my NFL team play. They got killed and we Bronx cheered a field goal. Once the other team started putting in their backups midway through the 4th quarter everybody started to leave the game, and we did too despite paying 800 bucks and flying 4000 miles to go to the game. It felt like a rite of passage as a fan of that team to do so. Football culture, specifically in the united kingdom is way different. Lots of teams also have their own culture, two easy examples are Chelsea and Manchester United. At United games you'll almost never hear the crowd boo unless it's really major and their fans support their managers almost completely with blind faith. At Chelsea their fans will boo poor performances a lot more often and their fans will constantly call for their manager to be sacked if a few results go wrong. West Ham fan culture is easily among the most intense and intimidating in football, up there with the Millwall's and Portsmith's of the world. It's an intimidating and nasty atmosphere at home and away their fans used to be feared but in modern times are still very intense and looking to intimidate. Think of them like the old school Oakland Raiders fan and the kind of atmosphere that created. It really does depend on the team and and what they represent, that's why people within those fanbases hate it when Fairweather fans don't upload the clubs traditions. Glasgow Celtic, Rangers, St Pauli and even Real Madrid vs Barca all represent far more politically than anything you'd find in America. Barcelona ultra's went all the way to Spanish court to be allowed to fly separatist Catalunya flags, even Barcelona's club badge is basically a Catalunya flag. So yeah, leaving a match early because your teams not playing isn't how things are done in a lot of football fandoms.

[@benjaminguzman3428]

I really needed to hear this today, thank you

[@ottawasenspb]

I know the concept is odd from a European perspective, but collegiate sports in the US are followed much more passionately akin to football in the UK. They are local institutions that the community takes real pride in

[@sirTAFFvanBAS]

I am an Everton fan i have not watched a single game since the points detuction. It hurts too much to watch your club burn while the criminals who messed up the club got rich off of it and left leaving the fans and club to suffer like we did something wrong. I still bleed my heart out for my club to do well none the less. I agree with your take. Fan is a fan.

[@StandardRossoneri]

The most annonying argument ever is the one of not running

[@BM-ek4tn]

As a Detroit Lions fan, trust me, you are NOT a fake fan just because you can't sit through an 0-16 season, or because you're getting creamed every year. Similarly, just because you "all of a sudden" show up because the team is good doesn't make you a fake fan. You support the team in your own way, it's nice to see them do well but not everyone has the mental capacity to sit through losing so often.

[@FMJellico]

Rich McKay, the Coach of the Bucs when the entered the League, was once asked by a reporter what he thought about his teams execution on the field. His answer? "I'm in favor of it."

[@erwinvanoostenbrugge]

Do these pundits know how stupidly expensive those tickets are? 😂 If you pay that much money to see your team play, you're a fan. As for the shot, it was a funny shot. I laughed.

[@rossanderson1892]

My joy watching this video, increased 20 fold by you not knowing who Chris Sutton was.

[@FieldMedic4077]

As a long suffering Leaf fan I feel this completely. Still waiting on our Tom Brady though :(

[@stokerino1905]

When I saw the title I assumed this video would be about "X is a big/small club" arguments, which are just an endless parade of different assertions where everyone involved violently disagrees about what 'big' means, but never quite land on the fact that it means nothing whatsoever. But yes, this one is also very bad.

[@gijsw8681]

Those people saw more live minutes and spend more money on their favourite prem team than i ever have on my fave prem team, those 45 minutes make them a more real fan than me imo

[@frederickupham8349]

Real fans stay till the end because you support your team when they are playing well and when they are playing crap not just when they play well

[@andrewcampbell6433]

Lesson 1 of Zealandism: It's pronounced Kevin De Browna

[@MrTwoojStary]

Those that stayed, stayed mainly because they wanted to avoid traffic.

[@Domina7ion]

FIGHT! AND WIN!

[@prich943]

Me personally I feel If you’ve paid for the ticket then you should stay, just for the sake of moneys worth lol, but also the idea that you should support them to the end

[@thepetermullins]

Heads up. Chris Sutton was a very good striker in his day, you know that famous photo of Blackburn lifting the first Premier League? The guy holding the trophy with all-time league goalscorer Alan Shearer is Chris Sutton. HOWEVER. Chris when of to have a decent, not great career including for Chelsea and Celtic. He has bad takes as a broadcaster against rival clubs AND clubs he played for. The reason he isn't a major broadcaster is those bad takes. He seems to hate football in general, but the pay in his day wasn't crazy like it is now, he has no life skills beyond football, so needs to work as a pundit.

[@dunnyzed6953]

Heads up. Blackburn didn’t win the inaugural Premiership. Man Utd did.

[@pedrompecanha]

I was going to suggest changing the lights in the background to green, but I thought they were only blue! Such a nice touch to differentiate the two channels and vibes. Nice :)

[@tamagonbagel6569]

Green for the Zealandism logo, I get it

[@aretectexela]

Zealand, to explain simply... Football in the UK/Europe is treated by some (football fans) like a religious activity. In the US it's entertainment.

[@samscholfield5720]

My girl friend: this guys a good presenter. 😮 shes a vegan performance artist from tasmania - I dont think you understand the barriers you're crossing. Really enjoying this format btw but kudos on your recent age world cup video.

[@joshnagle4678]

Other fans who criticise people leaving early are the ones who don’t even go to games

[@bubble4072]

On Twitter yes and in England, but this doesn't really happen in a country with proper fans. (Germany)

[@oliwills4339]

Chris sutton’s a windup merchant, and has a call in show on 5 live, so is probably trying to wind people up to get a good reaction for his radio show

[@eloiseb3034]

You stay to the end regardless of the result

[@Utterlyderanged]

It's insane how different the culture is in south america(where i'm from), the fact that in the us it's normal to leave early when your team is losing and in england is something to argue about, in south america it's utterly unthinkable to leave early, specially if you are a big team, if the tv cameras catch people leaving early your team will be the laughing stock of the league 💀

[@samscholfield5720]

Ps youre talking about it - re sutton and co - so mission accomplished as far as theyre cconcerned

[@mrfoofoo69]

I’ll bet that a lot of the people online criticising those leaving early haven’t been to a game in years, if ever

[@SEugeniusz]

I went to the famous Everton 3-2 win over Crystal Palace. We were 0-2 down in the first half, and people were leaving. When you support a team that has been terrible for years, its painful to watch you team lose...especially with the threat of relegation. Plus, Chris Sutton was a bang average goal poacher and really talks utter nonsense.

[@foggygreenlees]

Sutton has mellowed over the years and that's coming from me a rangers fan,at the end of the day you pay the money you can leave when you want.

[@gezblair]

Don’t have a problem with fans leaving early. Done it myself. But leaving at half time is a bit much. There’s always a slim chance of some second half miracle. At least wait until 60th minute.

[@callumedwards4003]

Complaining about fan leaving cos the team is playing bad is a new phenomenon. Sky Sports has also been criticised for its pompous punditry recently too.

[@LuisMartinez-cd6uo]

I get why people leave matches but tbh as someone who lives in the US I would never leave a match early even if I’m losing. I could never leave with how expensive tickets are nowadays. 😂. I’m not a fan of it because i would want to make sure I get my money’s worth.

[@officialrebel_]

Im not gonna point fingers and call people out for leaving when ur down bad in a game or whatever. But i do have a rule for myself that i always follow, no matter how bad things are for my team, or how bad a game is going, i will never stop watching or leave a game until the final whistle, why people might ask, to me its really simple and it has something to do with the word "support" cus thats what we are, supporters of our clubs, and when do people need support the most? When ur winning your 6 title in two years? Nope, its when things are tough, thats when support is needed the most, and the last thing i will show my club is that im not supporting the club when things are rough, hence you will never see my dumbass leave a game before the final whistle, no matter how pissed or embarrased i am about a performence. If i cant stick with my team when times are tough, then i dont deserve to be there when things are going good, thats basically how i see it. Im not forcing my rule on anyone, i dont give a fricking frick about what other people do with their lives.

[@ramblingtakes]

Spot on Zealand!

[@poppyharlow4448]

the green lights made my johnson rise

[@Gordon6182]

You nailed Chris Sutton in one!!! That's all he does now!

[@elicraig7367]

It’s absolutely hilarious to me that the bucs have both the worst win percentage AND two super bowl titles. One of my earliest memories of the nfl was Tampa bay rolling over Oakland to win the super bowl. Rich Gannon was my favorite QB that season and I think he threw 5 interceptions. Absolutely heartbreaking stuff for lil 7-year-old me 😂

[@GrantRossow]

I’ve always thought of the fans leaving the game early as showing that the team is supporting the fans. If the team doesn’t show up why should they?

[@thelinedrive]

You’re selling the Rays short. They’ve been a quality team consistently for at least the last 15 years.

[@MrCrispy941]

Great video as usual Zealand. I was lucky to not be at the match, I probably would've stayed anyway because honestly by the end it was just funny to me, I did watch all the way to the bitter end on Sky. The type of people that have issues with this are gatekeepers, as you said. We (west ham) have played shit, boring, uninteresting, dull, slow football for well over 12 months now. The Conference league win and decent league positions really highlight how bad everyone else has been. It was a result that was coming for a long time. It was always going to come to a head at some point. Ultimately the fans pay their money to travel and watch the games, so if they want to leave early...they can. The people who claim that these aren't real fans are those in a privileged position and have never seen their team relegated, or have never known a 50 year spell between trophy wins. Also, we beat Arsenal twice this season to their once, so we are still fucking Massive.

[@JackRobinson14]

I saw the title, and I get annoyed easily, so i was like, "how annoying can it be? I'll see if I can make it through the video." As soon as your face popped up at the start of the video, I was too annoyed and closed it. I just came back to write this. The End

[@thesnack126]

the lightning are a very competent franchise and have been a playoff team for a decade and had some success in the mid 2000, along with an above 500 record