2025 VW Tiguan: An apology for the ID.4

[@ptingz9307]

Can't believe a Tiguan interior would be nicer than the interior in the 2025 X3

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

Indeed it is. BMW is a hot mess these days. I left the brand after 22 years of loyalty to VW to never look back. People that want the BMW badge will always lease or buy one regardless of the exterior design or the quality of the interior.

[@krane15]

BMW are more the builder's car.

[@Jmanmadness23]

Saturday morning Motoman with a cup of coffee. What a great start to the weekend!

[@zigforjustice]

7:13 - Bravo on a buttery smooth transition 🏆

[@MotoManTV]

GREATLY appreciate you noticing . . .

[@TheRobSJ]

That’s a sharp looking rig inside and out. I’m sure the R Design package is what sells it for me. Nice that you get Bentley’s “knurling specification” on the knob. And I’m sure it doesn’t cost a couple thousand extra like it does on a Bentley.

[@Jorg-cv3xt]

Very good review! It captured everything regarding improvements what we also expect from the new Tiguan generation over here in Germany. Actually the longer wheel base version of the US Tiguan is sold as "Tayron" here in Europe (just lauched). Many thanks, keep up the good work and bis später!

[@sammydavis991]

Needs 25 more HP.

[@jeffs6090]

It would be amazing if they gave the US the full R model! That's on the shorter wheelbase though, which we don't get either. We will get the phev next year they said. It will have a total of 275hp, and 62 miles of electric only range. That will work for me! (He says in this video that we won't get the phev, but I read differently just yesterday.)

[@MotoManTV]

Not certain where you read that, but I spoke to many folks at VW USA and they were VERY clear there are no plans to bring the PHEV to the US. I impressed upon them that if they can bring the PHEV over with pricing that is in the high 30s, it would be a rock star. Will they do that? Probably not.

[@weirdshibainu]

I could live with it as it if it's quiet and refined at highway speeds. Waiting for the test drive.

[@sonofrobert]

Heavy vehicle for a 4 cylinder.

[@ThirdCoastGems]

@jeffs6090 NO WAY we get it for 2026 model year. I just read an interview from a VW exec and they specifically said they don't even know if they will bring a regular Hybrid OR a Plug-in stateside just yet. But what they DO KNOW is that it will only be 1 of them (NOT both), whichever one they choose will be for the Atlas and Tiguan, AND they said 2027 or 2028. Facts.

[@krane15]

Thank you for so vehemently pointing out the difference between a German car (and why people buy them) over a Japanese car. Nobody buys a German car for dependability (Porsche maybe?), rather, its driveablity.

[@luismarquez7511]

Whole Hartley agree. DON’T CHANGE ANYTHING KEEP JUST LIKE AGERMAN BUIILT!!!!!

[@krane15]

Future reference: Wholeheartedly.

[@OPMDK]

Now VW needs to make their parts priced for the people in North America!

[@krane15]

Not going to happen. Unless Made in America.

[@IceDree]

They finally listened, Mercedes should take a hint. Excellent work, M.

[@seymorefact4333]

⛔⛔🚫 😭 An apology for the ID.4! To makeup...GO SPEND ANOTHER $40K+ for another pos VW! If VW wanted to apologize...give ID4 owners a $35k REBATE! Ill never buy a VW again!

[@MotoManTV]

A bit behind the scenes, Nathan and I were driving those Euro market cars before we saw the US car and it wasn't until we were on Angeles Crest Highway that I realized how big of a deal this was. An even bigger deal: An OEM actually listening and responding so quickly.

[@seymorefact4333]

@@MotoManTV VW is about to disappear! No more germany.

[@elliottmanning4116]

I doubt it. Audi just added touch capacitive buttons on the steering wheel. And people complained about it way less when Mercedes-Benz did it versus Volkswagen, which just tells me luxury and EV brands get a pass when doing stuff like unlike mainstream company. Remember when Honda get rid of its volume knob and everyone yelled? Tesla and Rivian still have no volume knobs in their interiors.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

@@seymorefact4333False statement

[@mikeharris7261]

At the moment this R design trim is best looking in the segment inside and out

[@mikemaslanka3786]

Maybe there is hope for VW! Love that second row roominess and those seats.

[@jozzio720]

Thanks for the nice review. At the 5 minute mark you are showing the control know. Those seats have a thigh extension. Is that option going to be available in the US model? Didn't see it in the model the video started with. That's a makenor break for me.

[@Liplip40]

Center console storage design is the highlight.

[@BoopSnoot]

Tiguan is the Dos XXs of cars. German influenced, but clearly made in Mexico.

[@MotoManTV]

HA! I am going to steal that material from you:)

[@mattc1974]

I like my boxier 2019 and honestly like the interior of mine and the current generation. I hate tacked on screens. The increased hp is welcome though.

[@krane15]

Its still boxy -- inside. That's how VW are made.

[@mattc1974]

@krane15 I was referring to the exterior style and design

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

I like it. The interior is a Homerun. Big change from the MK2. Misses? Needs 19HP more and not offering the PHEV model is a huge strategic mistake in part of Volkswagen Group of America. Hopefully the new CEO (Pablo De Si was ousted this week), will reconsider bringing over the PHEV. I would also argue this new MK3 is far more compelling purchase than the Atlas. It is all the SUV most people would ever need sans the 3 row.

[@briancorreia2923]

Autoline reported that VW said if the US Tiguan were to get electrification it wouldn’t happen before mid cycle refresh and it wouldn’t be both plug in and non plug it would be one or the other. After watching this I think it’s safe to say it will only be the non-plugin. And it’s a safe guess that if in two years we haven’t heard VW announce publicly that the hybrid is on its way to the US, it’s not coming at all on this build of the Tiguan in the US. How disappointing. And I wonder if Canada is treated the same or if they will import European cars to them at some point. I’m assuming Canada may have stricter emissions rules than the US going forward.

[@ThirdCoastGems]

@briancorreia2923 Yes. North America is treated as the same market for many, many companies. Canada and US having different things is the exception, not the rule.

[@briancorreia2923]

@ Usually it’s just trim levels and options that are different. Canada sometimes doesn’t get all the trim levels and often they get heated seats and steering wheels standard or if a car offers all wheel drive and two wheel drive in the US Canada gets only the AWD version. But there are entire models that come to Canada that the US never gets. A good example that’s relevant here that comes to mind….Canada got the BEV version of the Kia Soul that I don’t believe ever came to the States. But there are more examples. If you live in a northern border state and see an Asian car companies vehicle that you don’t recognize, it’s probably from Canada.

[@michaeloluwalana5959]

So, the PHEV is not coming to Canada either?

[@loseerich493]

Amazing listen, reaction, & course-correct by VW! Now if BMW & Merc would smell the coffee the world would be so much better for it. And MotoMan, arguably your best most concise '1 man's opinion' yet. Nail-on-head stuff. Bravo sir, bravo. My only wonder is regarding the engine. One of my main no-sale items on the Tiguan was the wimpy engine. Up to 201hp is great, but wondering why they just didn't adopt the old Mk7 GTI mill (that's in my wife's '24 Q3). Makes 228hp, 228 torque on regular unleaded & is a proven reliable engine.

[@leeraymer166]

You answered your own question. If you want more HP, VW group will gladly sell you an Audi. Not what you want to hear, but it’s definitely the reason why. Now, if you aren’t concerned about keeping your engine under warranty, the EA888 is one of the most tunable engines ever made and can give you Audi levels of HP and torque.

[@MotoManTV]

Thank you for the excellent feedback!

[@loseerich493]

@@leeraymer166 Yeah but I like the Tiguan exterior & interior better than my Mrs' Q3. & they already have the engine so no need to put a 201hp one in it.... the 228hp variant in my wife's Q3 came out of the Mk7 GTI... not like it wasn't in a VW product originally. Bitch of mine: Daughter got a 1 up from base trim '24 Taos. It has more features in it than the wife's '24 Q3. i.e. remote start, wireless CarPlay, heated steering wheel... My wife was not amused when the daughter came home with a Taos & had her 1-up'd vs the Audi. Weird how VAG does things like this

[@javim2589]

I went to check the new Tiguan some months ago and i have to say that VW tried hard to make it a better product overall. As all things today, more expensive than most people want it to be but nonetheless is an ok product. I´m thinking on how the new "id2all" will finally be like. They need a homerun yes or yes so i expect it to be like the new Renault 5, which i already checked (awesome).

[@MotoManTV]

Speaking of the new Renault 5, I recently drove this . . . instagram.com/p/DCpTZySvVFR/

[@Saboda53]

Perfect for people who love constantly interacting with iPads and iPhones from the moment they wake up to the second they fall asleep. Yuck. 😬

[@samnihao6943]

Had Tiguan 2020. Now driving Tiguan 2023. I like the car. But! Sometimes, the screen freezes when working with android auto. At 14-15mph, the transmission is very kicky. Will I buy a new one? Probably no! Even with the new interior it will lose out to competition from other manufacturers. Would I buy the European version? Probably yes.

[@chipsen3359]

I Love Volkswagen 😍

[@hardyk2010]

Not even a basic hybrid until 2026/27 is criminal.

[@ThirdCoastGems]

@hardyk2010 2027/2028 actually.

[@IamJay02]

9:58 Say it louder Motoman!

[@MotoManTV]

Amen.

[@MiroBG359]

Well. At least it's not ugly. As usual they gimped the power. Needs a bit more oomph

[@paulpellico3797]

sooooo deceptive from the outside. you simply have no corner rear vision it lOOKS like it has a large rear side view but REALLY has a thin, narrow side window and mostly a huge pillar.

[@ThirdCoastGems]

@@paulpellico3797 Yup! I actually read in one of the trade today about how Rav-4, CR-V, and now Tiguan ALL have awful rear visibility. All these companies are relying on cameras, sensors, and screens these days for everything.

[@paulpellico3797]

@@ThirdCoastGems and yet subaru, although i dislike their engines, is able to find the high-strength steel needed for lots of glass and narrow pillars.

[@rbazemore]

Now do that to the Atlas

[@Mytwodollars]

Thanks for telling us you drove it but "How was it?" Probably wasnt allowed to say....

[@MotoManTV]

Did you watch all the way to the end? It was in the outro that I share that the Euro market model I drove (both you see in this film) are a good blend between composure and compliance. Meaning more European drive quality but not a punishing hard ride. The hope is that VW will not screw with it too much for the US market. Comments come in around the 9:15 mark.

[@thiagolima5232]

Vw need reestrutur , demit ceos ... The brand vw make very good cars

[@brinderpanesar7761]

Too bubbly

[@Splendid_Lad]

Too boxy, too round, what else do people like to complain about car designs these days?

[@ThirdCoastGems]

@brinderpanesar7761 I actually totally agree. This doesn't even remotely resemble a German vehicle, much less a VW. It's like one of those "Chevron Cars" brought to life. I hate it. The 2018-2021 SEL Premium with the special headlights was and is the best looking Tiguan ever made.

[@RobertSmith-fd2kt]

Give us the shorter wheelbase version!!!!!!

[@krane15]

Nope. too small for North Americans.

[@RobertSmith-fd2kt]

I know why they don’t but there are some of us who want the smaller form factor.

[@BrandonPage]

VW lost me at "No hybrid in the USA".

[@krane15]

Don't blame VW. American are brand snobs. They will only pay so much for VW.

[@ecyfoto]

If they put the 6 cyl. in it sales would follow. Under powered as are all (ICE) VWs excluding the 2 Golf’s.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

V6 engines are dead in this segment😂

[@jamc204]

Why is the driver's seatbelt buckled with no one there? 🤔

[@MotoManTV]

Keen eye . . . This car was a very early pre-production prototype. As such, not everything worked as in a series production car. One of those things: The door open buzzer/alarm. It was SUPER loud and you would not have been able to hear me.

[@roch145]

VW has struggled to become a software company. While other companies decided to use Google as their foundation for infotainment (Volvo for example), VW thought they could do it all themselves. In some instances they use Android Automotive as a foundation in other instances they use Linux and customize it. So they have tech platform inconsistency across their variety of products. Which makes development and maintenance slower and more expensive. Over the air update capabilities are not as robust as they should be. In either case they create their own custom UI/UX, which has improved over the years, but was certainly hellacious in the early years. Tesla can get away with no buttons because people who drive Tesla’s want the EV appliance experience. Don’t be fooled by Tesla or anyone else who doesn’t offer buttons, a buttonless driving experience is all about saving production costs. It decreases safety, and increases driver distraction. Tesla is in the process of getting rid of the shift knob, not for functional improvements but to save money. So it’s nice to see VW has added back some buttons. VW in the interest of saving production costs didn’t use fast enough CPU’s in many of their designs. This made for sluggish response times, which were made worse due to inefficient software coding as VW was and still is learning how to be a software company. It’s taken VW a solid 7 years to figure out how to be a somewhat capable software developer. This is an area where Tesla is the absolute leader in the industry. Tesla also designs their own in car processors for superior performance and capabilities. Tesla started as a software company trying to figure out how to physically build cars. VW started as a company that was excellent at building physical cars, but they struggled to learn how to build software. So the new Tiguan might be the first modern VW product I’d consider purchasing because they have finally done a decent job with software development and the UI/UX. VW still struggles with how to use their German heritage in developing, marketing and selling their cars in the US. Even as far back as the Pennsylvania-built VW Rabbit, VW mistakenly Americanized the Golf. Then they went through the Das Auto German-focus phase, which is probably where they should have stayed. Then swung back to Americanized VW’s with the exception of the GTI. In all cases, compared to their competition, they always seemed to come up short. In terms of features and functions, horsepower, overall performance and price point. Even when cars were being built in the US or Mexico. Interior build quality in terms of parts quality took a distinctive and obvious path downward (but that’s happening at BMW too, just look at the interior of the new X3). This trend may be reversing with this new Tiguan. Dieselgate didn’t help the brand either. So especially in the world of appliance-like EV’s, VW needs to emphasize their German heritage as a differentiator in the marketplace. And VW shouldn’t worry about their products nipping at the heels of entry level Audi products. Competition is good, even within the same company.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

That’s why VW has purchased a $5 Billion stake on Rivian, so they can get access to their UX, code and electric powertrains. They want to get rid of CARIAD. MIB4 seems a big improvement but time will tell.

[@aschlect]

Will it drive like a VW should..... that's all that matters. Drivers Wanted.

[@MotoManTV]

I can say that the Euro model does . . . here's hoping the US market flavor follows suit.

[@memostothefuture]

Are you filming on GoPros now?

[@LetMeCook86]

Roman is doing you no favors, treating you like a door mat.

[@mlud00]

Where is phev for USA???

[@Fabulousprofound168]

6:20

[@stevehunter7402]

No 40/20/40 rear seat anymore? Deal breaker.

[@krane15]

I can live with that. But the recline rear seat function was a very distinguished feature. They really need to bring that back. On all day cross-country trips, every little bit of adjustment matters.

[@yurkshirelad]

I like the exterior, but it's too big for my needs. I don't like the interior; its too.. dare I say modern? I'm more of a traditionalist old fart who doesn't want a digital dash or something out of a science fiction spaceship.

[@yurkshirelad]

Forgot to ask if they're bringing this exterior to the Taos soon?

[@MotoManTV]

With ya on this one . . .

[@MotoManTV]

Don't know yet . . . Driving the updated Taos in December. Let's talk then.

[@seanchen2143]

who can provide an answer why VW cars in North American don't have AUTO HOLD????

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

My 2023 Arteon SEL Premium R-Line 4Motion purchased brand new earlier this year, has auto hold.

[@seanchen2143]

@@Pamlicojdjdj1487 you are actually right. But Tiguan and Altas don't have it

[@krane15]

Tell them. I've been notifying manufactures since the days of snail mail. The Phaeton was my idea. Two decades early.

[@rkgsd]

201hp being the only powerplant? Big marketing misstep. The ID4 dual-motor leaves it in the dust. Then again, if that means its price would be the same as the 301hp RAV4 Prime, the choice is clear.

[@rashkamanning8171]

ID 4 is also on stop sale because the door handle fall off lol.

[@IamJay02]

Lmao ​@@rashkamanning8171

[@mattc1974]

That's a lot more than the current one and comparable in the segment.

[@krane15]

The car has 5 engine selections. But not all of them will be offered in North America. For example, the TDI is out for obvious reasons.

[@IamJay02]

@@mattc1974 It still needs more power. The 2017 generation Tiguan had a 200hp engine and even that was a little too low on power despite being a lighter vehicle. This bigger Tiguan would do better with at least 25 more hp and at least 20 more lbs ft of torque.

[@M1911jln]

Those wheels are horrible.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

No you need glasses

[@sammydavis991]

They are ugly wheels

[@ch6inre6ction11]

I've seen substantially worse

[@dthiesen83]

They stole them off a Crosstrek.

[@100M2B]

VolkswagenUSA must be all fired and replaced with competent people who truly understand why VW has been failing and falling past 2 decades in North America.

[@jeffos8724]

European model looks more balanced. Needs more sidewall. Eveything else seems like an improvment. Knob function looks to be "insprired" by the S3XY knob from Enhance Auto.

[@MotoManTV]

In fairness, the two Euro models featured here are mid spec. The US market car featured is the highest level trim with the biggest wheels.

[@nasrani9936]

Still underpowered.

[@Kwaminho]

It lost some weight, so hopefully that helps some.

[@ThirdCoastGems]

It lost 170lbs, nothing to scoff at, but still concerned. Also they shortened it by 2-3 inches and took away the 3rd row option. I'm actually very concerned with how light on actual stats VW was at LAAS.....no torque numbers, no cubic feet storage space, no towing info, no MPG, no additional power trains......but we got a big tablet and 3 "new colors" (2 of which are already on the Atlas & Jetta and all 3 are just subdued versions of Grey, Tan, and Vomit Green)

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

Torque and not horsepower is what moves you off the line. I suspect this will be at least 220-230 pounds feet of torque fully arriving at 1,450 RPM.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

@@ThirdCoastGemsThe weight reduction came about the use of aluminum components in the suspension and the extensive use of hot formed steel in the body structure.

[@ThirdCoastGems]

@@Pamlicojdjdj1487 I agree that what you said was the company line given to all the editors/influencers who did 20 min videos. BUT what I said also comes into play in the weight reduction. All models/trims are 2-3 shorter now, and all non AWD models will not have a third row anymore.

[@MrChadder007]

Still needs more HP and the old one from years ago still looks better.

[@JD-kf2ki]

Why are some people obsessed with physical buttons? Now VW ruined the steering wheel controls with a bunch of busy-looking obsolete buttons.

[@felipe7112]

Looks like another overpriced car from VW. When they are going to offer something to normal people? 🤔

[@M1911jln]

These are the top trim versions. They will have cheaper trims with fewer features.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

Do you not pay attention this is the top trim the Tiguan is very affordable

[@sammydavis991]

It’s under the average new car price.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

Think poor, act poor🤔

[@ThirdCoastGems]

DON'T PRICE THIS ABOVE $45K FOR THE TOP MODEL. PERIOD. Needs more HP, more colors, bring the 3rd row back, gimme back my 3 inches y'all shortened it from the 2nd Gen (current model), and lastly CALL THIS A 2026 since dealers won't even get the first ones until JULY 2025...... RIDICULOUS.

[@krane15]

Its now bigger and roomier. The 3rd row was a gimmick. The sliding/reclining seats, however, were not.

[@ThirdCoastGems]

@krane15 It "may" be "roomier", although since VW didn't have measurements for the interior volume at release (or days after) we don't know that. Also the new second row center seat willbe useless since the floorboard has a big axel going down the middle. As for "bigger" that is not true whatsoever. The wheelbase has been shortened by 2 inches, the length by 3 inches, and even the height is shorter. This is VW trying to push people either into the Taos camp or the Atlas camp. No more quasi-caterory vehicles. Sub-compact, Compact, or Mid-size SUV. Facts.

[@rashkamanning8171]

I am now selling Volkswagens. And my god the UX is terrible. I was just, today driving around in a brand new 2024 Atlas SEL R-Line. (Fully loaded) the car is fantastic. The UX is absolutely laughable

[@MotoManTV]

The issue with this is that I can no longer recommend a VW with a straight face due to that UX. No matter how perfect the GTI and Golf R. Should this massive change casade to other VWs, they would go back on my recommend list.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

I love the MIB3 8” screen with dual knobs in my 2023 Arteon SEL Premium R-Line 4Motion purchased brand new earlier this year. I also own a 2023 MK8 GTI SE DSG and haven’t had any issues with the infotainment system. To me some of these complaints are blown out of proportion here in the internets for the sake of clicks and controversy. But hey that is my unsolicited opinion😂. MIB4 looks nice but the screens are just huge and reliability of the UX still unknown. Only other vehicle sold in the US with MIB4 was the 2024 ID.4 know on national stop sale😂

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

@@MotoManTVI disagree MotoMan. I believe you are an extremely knowledgeable reviewer and agree 99% on your assessments but can’t get onboard on this one. I have owned my 2023 MK8 GTI SE for almost 2 years and neither the infotainment UX nor the haptic steering wheel buttons have been a problem or impediment in the daily use and enjoyment of the car. We can agree to disagree but it seems most YT reviewers and the automotive press at large have latched on this bandwagon for far too long. Respectfully, most reviewers don’t live with these cars for more than a few hours or days at a time and instantly hate on it😂. Like I said, I am a picky guy and here I am loving my GTI. VW got the MK8 chassis and handling dynamics + powertrain at the right sweet spot and that’s what truly matters to me. If I want more buttons and a physical shifter, I have gorgeous and fast 2023 Arteon SEL Premium 4Motion sharing space in my garage for that.😉

[@RobertLeBlancPhoto]

Meh.

[@samuelwong6995]

Should play One Republic's Too Late to Apologize in the background. They should have keep this as the GTi of the SUV since the last decade but they dropped the ball.