Supersport is back! 2024 CBR600RR vs ZX-6R vs Panigale V2 vs Street Triple RS | MCN Test

[@dannyferguson9415]

Who cares what box you put a bike in as long as you have fun.

[@PAULJ43]

Race regulation

[@Zx6rBlue]

May as well have comparison videos between a gold wing and yzf 125

[@InsanitiesBrother]

Few reasons. Easier to find bikes. Race regulations. License regulations. Fun videos.

[@madrat5176]

The triumph clearly doesn’t belong in this group. You might as well add the MT09, Brutale 800RR and Duke 890

[@EvilDogger]

@@madrat5176 I'd suggest you have a look at any supersport competition. That's right, the Street Triple is right up in there buddy. The bike does belong in this group.

[@Zx6rBlue]

The zxr and cbr are the only true middle weight sports bikes here. The triumph and ducati are in different categories for me.

[@TheRealBhuado]

exactly. 18k worth of a bike for similar performance as the japanese ones. not to mention a naked bike called "sportsbike"

[@Markycarandbikestuff]

Fully agree with that.

[@Samuel-qe9lj]

Maybe get the Mt09 gp maybe a better Comparison over a triumph street triple

[@TheScortUK]

The world has changed, get with the times.

[@TheRealBhuado]

@@TheScortUK what are you smoking my guy

[@mloclam6917]

Don't call a street triple a sports bike or else the insurance will go up

[@JSON_135]

How much more expensive is a sport bike vs a naked.

[@stealthywallaby1392]

@@JSON_135for me the street triple is 48$ a month. My previous ninja 650 (not a supersport) was 80 just cuz fairings

[@MrBobbi93]

@@JSON_135 from personal experience, a naked is less than half the cost a month for insurance than any of these would be.

[@justobserving4862]

@@stealthywallaby1392 bull i pay 33 for my 650 and it is my first bike at 21. I call bs something is definitely wrong here

[@stealthywallaby1392]

@@justobserving4862 it’s my 5th bike, I paid 75 on my 650 in 29 and my triple is I think rn I just paid 42

[@gabrielzb4129]

I think the Street Trip got a free pass here MCN. I love Triumph, I own a Speed Triple RS and I love it. But if Triumph wants to compete with the Supersports, let them put some effort into it and build a proper Daytona 765! By this logic, next time you do a naked shootout, you'll have to add the HD Panamerica (and other "adventure" bikes). People who buy those tend to use them for the same purpose as us naked bike riders. Again, no hate on the ST or Triumph, just don't give them free passes.

[@sural89]

i've heard a daytona 765 is on the way they work on it like yamaha and the R9

[@nhaze8173]

Today you can race the ST 765 in the same class as the others, that's probably why. Just a guess though. But I see your point ☝️

[@kvn_6r]

I agree completely. Love the straightforwardness.

[@splodge57]

Why make a bike that no one no longer wants to buy.

[@gabrielzb4129]

@splodge5714 The point here is not whether a bike sales well or not. The Street Triple is an excellent bike, and as you can see by my picture, I'm part of the demographic that sees the many benefits of owning a naked bike. The issue here is that this is a Supersports shootout. If this were an open class, middle weight shootout, it would be a different story... then again, the competition would be a little different as there are more players in that field precisely because of the reason you mentioned.

[@colindeans5972]

Kawasaki all day long. Nicely done Mr N.

[@DGMotorcycles]

I literally can’t wait to get my CBR600RR next week.

[@jonathanmasterson3100]

You lucky thing… where in the world are you? How long have you been waiting from ordering to delivery?

[@DGMotorcycles]

@@jonathanmasterson3100 haha I’m in England I must of been one of the first on the list 🤣. Very lucky to be getting one

[@chrismackey4238]

@@DGMotorcycles had mine delivered end of May, love it 👍

[@AIBETTSYIA75]

Very jealous, test rode one and seriously considering swapping my GSXR-750 for one but CBA with a waiting list 😅

[@TheInfantry98]

Awesome bro! Nice moves

[@IronSendlinger]

Doesn't matter. Supersports gotta have full fairings, clip-ons and proper seating position. Simple as that

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Exactly.

[@gavinstubbs3949]

Or they could put the parts as options on the list ? When you order the bike

[@brmiller0710]

Dose matter street tripples race in the class hence where the name comes from

[@tolitsdterrible4785]

Ducati V2 is almost a 1000cc and competing against 600s is like cheating. 😊

[@SladeRenegade]

2 cylinders vs 4, and less rpm. The Kawasaki is the the true cheater with extra displacement, and 4 cylinders. I guess I am biased though, I own a V2 Bayliss, and a 2014 STR. The true hero really is the R6. lol

[@rns6889]

​@@SladeRenegadeit may be a twin but it's got too much displacement advantage over 50 percent it's not fair at all. Also it's priced like a bmw s1krr.. It doesn't belong in any category I wish ducati did make something like this maybe a 790 like the Duke engine.

[@Euphorica]

V2s were always allowed higher capacity to compare against 4 cylinders

[@josephboot1]

That's all MCN knows how to do! They love to twist things around in Ducati's favor. MCN have become the Motor Trend of the bike world, completely pro European!

[@rns6889]

@@Euphorica that's in racing man where they modify the bikes to reach the regulations, for production bikes you can't possibly think a 155 horsepower 955 cc motorcycles that costs the same as an s1000rr competes with these? European manufacturers rarely ever tries to compete with the japanese categories, only in superbikes. And if they want to, they should make it simillar in stats like the street triple over here.

[@Joric78]

I love that the Brits had to think up a 2 minute excuse to whack a Triumph in there.

[@richardtomlinson2063]

Like calling a Harley a Sportster???

[@Joric78]

@@richardtomlinson2063 ...and if the yanks put a sportster in a supersport test it'd be even more ridiculous. Can't say I've seen them do that though.

[@djg9589]

Did you listen to what Neevesey said? People throw clips-on on & a Daytona fairing then race it. Open your ears & your mind pal 👍🏻

[@splodge57]

Usual stupid comment 🥱

[@Fearless154]

Street triple races in the world supersport category against all these bikes. It's literally a part of the supersport category now, by definition.

[@stephenschwartz7402]

That zx6r quarter mile time is crazy

[@willjacques9573]

I’m pretty sure it is just due to the short gearing, notice it is topping out in 6th gear by the end.

[@JD-fd6gt]

I did the same thing with my 03 CBR600RR, -1 + 2 gearing gets about the same results, maybe even quicker.

[@bearwolffish]

There's a joke, the _zx6r can do anything, except hit 200 miles per hour._

[@exothermal.sprocket]

And it's stock. Imagine if they got it fully tuned: 2024 ZX-6R: Stock dyno numbers- 112 hp, 48 ft-lb Full exhaust, velocity stacks, ECU flash: 128 hp, 50 ft-lb

[@unstoppable2131]

Thats true this 2024 zx6r is faster than old generations in terms of acceleration they see that in the dyno and tests.

[@squidlybytes]

"The Street Triple RS is the best supersport by not being a supersport" "Why don't people buy supersports anymore??"

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Shocking.

[@cj41079]

Come to US 🤣 that's all you see lol

[@madrat5176]

The Triumph doesn’t belong in this group

[@Not_alex_jones]

​@@madrat5176the Ducati even less so

[@madrat5176]

@@Not_alex_jones The engine is too big, but at least it’s in the right category

[@nwolf9354]

There are only 2 supersports in this test. You picked a naked bike as the best because it's the most comfortable. No kidding, that's why that CLASS of bike was made. Then you have a 1000 cc superbike in there. It races in supersport class under an incredibly restricted level of detune because it can't compete in the superbike class, and ducati is to lazy to make a bike that actually conforms to that class.

[@JD-fd6gt]

So much this.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

The V2 isn’t a superbike, the V4 is. The V2 makes a fair bit less power than the liter bikes…

[@JD-fd6gt]

@@sleeper.simulant7327 The numbers don't lie. Power Claimed: 155 hp (116 kW) @ 10,750 rpm Torque Claimed: 104 N⋅m (77 lbf⋅ft) @ 9,000 rpm, definitely Superbike territory.

[@paulfowler7618]

Nice test i spent an hour or so on the new ZX6R a few weeks back while my Ninja 1000sx was in for a service. Not been on a supersport bike since selling my K5 GSXR600 in 2009 and first off i couldn't believe how extreme the riding position was but after 5 minutes id forgotten about this and spent the next hour riding like I stole it. What a fantastic fun fast bike it is but if i had one now id lose my licence for sure.

[@johnnyblue4799]

You can more than easily lose your license with the 1000SX too...

[@maomekat2369]

after 5 minutes its even more unbearable ...have to plop elbow on tank...otherwise numb, cant turn...why wear spiked shoes that bleed when you can wear goodlooking comfortable and cheaper sneakers shoes...coz wht will ppl think if i don't drive a 200mph bike on 50mph limited roads..hurrhurr amuricafuck yeahhhurrhurrr balls legs burned yeahhhfreeedummmm 1000cc fuckyeah, lets take car now actually coz tired from work /family but 20k 1000c murica yeahhhhh

[@johnnyblue4799]

@@maomekat2369 I don't know what you're smoking, but clearly is not good for you!

[@maomekat2369]

@@johnnyblue4799 im smoking the 1000c ss, that sits in garage because it get extremely hot in city with wrist pain & spends 80% time in only 1st gear . wish was smoking a new faired revable perfect 450,500,650 instead

[@QuixoticCampaign]

​@@maomekat2369 sounds like a personal problem

[@johpale]

The thing I love best about these bikes is that they make you feel like you’re a million bucks. Who can say ‘I’m taking my race bike to work today?’ I get giddy every time I fire up the bike. Sure makes commuting to work less dull. 2013 CBR 600RR sure makes me feel that way. :-)

[@TheRealBhuado]

Absolutely.

[@kaw7513]

Can’t agree more.

[@ahhhdfg2]

Can't wait to feel that way, I'm hoping to get a bike soon 🙏

[@jordanjoestar8839]

And the winner is.... 2011 GSXR750!

[@jimperry4420]

All day

[@AIBETTSYIA75]

Still races in BSB so it counts according to all the other commenters

[@IN_ZANE_]

Best 600 ever

[@JD-fd6gt]

GSXR 750 wins again DING DING DING.

[@xXPLMCXx]

Does any gsxr750 have abs? I couldn‘t find anything with abs (even 2015,2016)

[@Bajker4ever]

That Panigale V2 simply doesn't belong to this group, for f's sake it has 350cc more than 600's... 749 was the last Ducati that cut it.

[@Terraceview]

I know right? And even though they "regulate" their power they're still running away with the championship...

[@julztry9797]

Still is Not faster on Track

[@Fearless154]

Twins are always allowed to have a larger displacement when racing over multi-cylinder engines. Panigale V2 literally races under all regulations in the WSSP; by definition fit in this category because it races in this category.

[@willjacques9573]

@@julztry9797I’d argue the video shows otherwise, it’s doing the quarter mile quicker than all but the kawasaki, which is geared so short it is topping out in 6th at the 1/4 mile! While their power figures are similar, the Ducati has nearly 50% more torque. Technically it is fair, but it doesn’t feel like a fair matchup!

[@Terraceview]

@@Fearless154 It used to be 600 fours and 750 twins not 950 twins am I wrong?

[@OllyKilo]

There was a time when the Ducati 916 was competing against the GSX-R750, the 918cc Fireblade, The 1000cc Thunderace and the ZX9-R. Now a 955 is going head to head with 600s. What an age we live in.

[@czierwo]

they just need some extra slack to win, in order to justify the price difference 😜

[@brianbelcher7279]

​@@czierwov twins cost more to make than inline 4s believe it or not. More parts. it makes since it cost a grand more than a zx10 even though it puts out 50 less HP. And of course less supply for ducatis. All are made in bologna. But there are perks to v twin power delivery. A broader powerband. Immediate torque. Last time japan was making v twin superbikes they had more displacement and put out 20 less hp. The panigale v2 competing in the middleweight is ridiculous. But look at motogp and wsbk now. All 1000cc 4 cylinders and ducatis been doing very well lately

[@shyamm.r.1897]

The CBR looks beautiful, and for the money that's the best value among all

[@Hybrids4meok]

The street triple is best bang for your buck

[@saifaldin_]

Not my country, it’s not.. Our Honda distributor here decided to price this CBR 167% compared to a new 636 😂

[@coolhandchunk]

Comapring a litre race bike vs. 765 naked vs. 2 600cc sport bikes is not really a fair comparison. Where is the adventure bike to complete the group? Of course the naked is going to be more comfy and useable. Of course the litre bike is going to be faster. Seriously guys?! Dont call it a comparison... just celebrate the bikes for what they are independently.

[@roelfkromhout]

This argument would be more interesting with some lap times to compare how they do on track, right?

[@pointydeity4865]

I was waiting to see some lap times too, and we never got them 🙄.

[@newtype101]

team Triumph Street Triple RS here! 🍻

[@nhaze8173]

Love my -23 rs with clip-ons and different rearset, only downside is that it's missing a fairing 💪👍

[@casterofchaos]

​@nhaze8173 also on a 23 RS, why did you go for different rear sets?

[@bng2679]

23/24 moto2

[@chriswest2290]

Track days i would imagine ​@@casterofchaos

[@nhaze8173]

@@casterofchaos I needed higher footpegs so that I can anchor myself better to the tank 👍 short legs.

[@TheJGW]

Bought a new 765 rs last month and absolutely love it. Would recommend to anyone.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

The GSXR-750 is what I finished racing on in the Australian Superbike Championship in the late 90’s and I also have a 2022 version sitting in my garage. A lovely bike.

[@evanmcknight2566]

A rather interesting group of motorcycles. Nice to see the Honda cbr600rr back.

[@JD-fd6gt]

It never left.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

GSX-R600 is still sold in the USA for 2024 & 2025.

[@jdiaspatel]

I watched this video whereby you were comparing supersports bikes and you included the Triumph 765RS as a swerve ball. Honestly, I thought you were a bit crazy but decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and went on to test ride the Triumph 765 RS after I test rode the new CBR600RR. Long story short, I'm hoping to buy the Triumph 765 RS later this week. The bike is so easy to ride it's unbelievable ... basically a 600 with wide bars! Thanks Michael and team.

[@neevesybikes]

This 👍

[@ozzyg82]

Hopefully the recent re-emergence of the superport class will give triumph the kick up the bum to stick some fairings and clip ons to the street triple, and perhaps even Yamaha to clad the MTO9 similarly.

[@hellfire08]

I’m over here still loving my 2008 Cbr600rr 😎

[@simps104]

2006 ZX6R right here 🙋‍♂️👍

[@exothermal.sprocket]

I had a 2006 ZX-6R. The 2005-2006 636 motor made a heap of power when tuned up.

[@JamesBond-is5du]

me too. hannspree veerrsion without abs

[@Frank-xo7zj]

I've got a 2012😊

[@cocky_potato]

ZX-6R any day, every day.

[@vigilant.]

under 13k absolutely middleweight beast,easy to maintain also

[@maomekat2369]

after 5 minutes its even more unbearable ...have to plop elbow on tank...otherwise numb, cant turn...why wear spiked shoes that bleed when you can wear goodlooking comfortable and cheaper sneakers shoes...coz wht will ppl think if i don't drive a 200mph bike on 50mph limited roads..hurrhurr amuricafuck yeahhhurrhurrr balls legs burned yeahhhfreeedummmm 1000cc fuckyeah, lets take car now actually coz tired from work /family but 20k 1000c murica yeahhhhh

[@DoctorStrange01]

@@maomekat2369 I don't know if the broken English was on purpose to mock a typical Murican squid, but it was a funny read lol

[@A_Wolf]

I like that you showed the 1/4 mile, 0 to 100, & 0 to 60 times! Someone needs to go over that other than carwow 😂😂 motorcyclist care about speed too! 😁

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Desirability wise... Ducati still takes it for me! But super happy to see that new CBR. (Litres are just madness for the road)

[@JD-fd6gt]

Comparing a Ducati V2 to a 600cc supersport is like comparing a 1998-2003 YZF R1 to them. Not even in the same class. The V2 is basically a Superbike.

[@Fearless154]

They race in the same category in the world supersport championship under all regulations and rules of dorna. Go tell him you think a V2 is a superbike and it doesn't fit in this category.

[@JD-fd6gt]

@@Fearless154 Ok, well according to your new shitty rules, a 1998-2003 YZF R1 is no longer a Super Bike, wanna go tell Yamaha? Let me know what they say.

[@JD-fd6gt]

@@Fearless154 Might as well put 1000cc Super Bikes in the same class then, so they all can compete against each other. LOL what a joke. LOL ROTFL LMFAO. YOUR RULES STINK.

[@Dispariabooks]

Literally is the same class, at least in Moto America... But the sort of abominations they've had to do to make all of these bikes fit in the same category is... Unique to say the least

[@JD-fd6gt]

@@Dispariabooks Sounds like they need to go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. The people in charge apparently forgot what hp and torque means.

[@anyone933]

I only see 2 Super Sport bikes.

[@jasoncollier5561]

I own a v2, it is in its own class, i personally love it. Also considering its probably more committed sports position as well it would be the bike to choose if money no option.

[@JDeezle21]

MV Agusta F3 800RR ❤

[@PEZ1514]

good point! Where is it in this video? MCN fumbling

[@exothermal.sprocket]

CBR600RR ZX-6R GSX-R600 CBR600RR F3 800RR Supersport 950 (down on power, up on torque) Krämer GP2-890R (It's mostly a custom) Street Triple 765 Moto2 Edition

[@gache5952]

Street Triple included because Daytona 660 can't compete.

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

The 660 was never meant to compete

[@chrissy.v]

That bike is in a completely different class, made for beginner riders. Very different purposes.

[@mrEz87]

They should've named it something else if it was aimed at beginners! They've been killing it with all their bikes lately- daytona included... it's just not a daytona.

[@loftyintentions1985]

You mean the trident rr?

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Daytona 660 plays in this class: GSX-8R RS660 CBR650R YZF-R7

[@dashuntas.m4045]

Seeing the CBR600RR return is so freaking amazing! Also the Street Triple is an absolute weapon, it handles with all the finesse of a scalpel

[@jonathanmasterson3100]

So should we class the my09 sp as a supersport ?

[@thegamingshatt4758]

Maybe, but there's an r9 just around the corner

[@bazitube390]

No shot. mt09 chassis is no where near the triumph. street triple would run circles around the mt09 on a race track.

[@someguyontheinternet7165]

The mt09 is a wonderful hooligan machine and that engine is a masterpiece, but the chassis/suspension is about as close to a super sport as a gold wing.

[@oofskzy]

Not really, the chassis isnt really up to par

[@exothermal.sprocket]

MT-09 SP would get a notch closer, but not significantly. You'd have to do a good deal of work on it, different rear tire, lower the triple trees, swap cartridges and shock, increase anti-squat, remove bars and install clip-ons, and swap in a set of cams. There, now you'd compete. You'd be better off doing a mild tune on a Z900 SE, which would blow this whole comparison away with big torque and 128 wheel HP.

[@PenrithPanther]

Best motorcycle channel on KZbin!

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

I went the zx6r 40th. Looks awesome and more than enough bike for my skills

[@MusfiqulIslamAnan-lq2eu]

CBR is the best

[@ShartintRump]

OMG.....no 400 Kawasaki....thank you ‼️‼️‼️

[@jessetrauma556]

The gsxr 600 is still available to me in the u.s. how did you think it ranks in this test?

[@carlinmerrill3134]

where is the MV?

[@aparisio007]

This is exaclty the video i was looking for big thanx

[@ashofficial790]

10.3 second 1/4 mile on a bone stock 600 is actually ridiculous!! Thats just a tenth off of a 911 turbo s 🤯

[@Stratocasterhead51]

Clutch action on all kawasakis is just divine. Launching is so easy. Not surprised at all its faster than most off the line. Bit surprised its faster than the V2 tho, although ducatis are notoriously harder to launch. That being said the V2 is the same price as a zx10r so….

[@exothermal.sprocket]

And it is stock. Tune it. 2024 ZX-6R: Stock dyno numbers- 112 hp, 48 ft-lb Full exhaust, velocity stacks, ECU flash: 128 hp, 50 ft-lb The clutch is most likely NOT the "assist" type clutches that a lot of manufacturers have been putting on street bikes. Those are near impossible to launch because they bite so hard when a lot of engine torque is being transmitted. All that ends up doing is looping the front or bogging down the engine. You cannot modulate an "assist" clutch.

[@StanDaManReviews]

Why didn't they include the Aprilia RS660 ?

[@exothermal.sprocket]

In a lesser class, with R7, GSX-8R, CBR650R, but happens to lead it.

[@justincook2894]

Always had a soft spot for Kawasaki and Triumph. Had 2 ZX6R’s and on my 3rd STRS, current being a 2023 version. The RS is every bike you could ever want and I have had various supersports, Ducati 848, Fireblade etc. Couldn’t be without the STRS, but always thinking about buying another ZX6R, especially the 30th anniversary colour scheme, 2015, and near on half the price for 90 percent of the current bike….

[@rigobertogomez25]

Love the video. Thanks for this review idea, bring it up more in the future please!!!❤

[@rudy102r2]

Bring it back 750’s. I had many bikes in my bike’s journey and still own 4 but 750 is the one to have. Absolutely love it and adore it 💪 I would put my money on supercharged 600 😊

[@JDeezle21]

GSX-R750 ❤

[@DoctorStrange01]

Not available in EU.

[@JDeezle21]

A used one is, though...

[@Niobium23]

C’mon, stop the marketing bullsnap. That triumph is NOT a super sport bike. We all know it, you do too. Nothing pure super sport about it. It’s a naked bike. End of story.

[@Thedannyboy765]

Don’t think it’s marketing bullcrap when you have such a rounded reviewer who has ridden everything. I think the point is it competes and does amazing and doesn’t even have fairings and clip ons. People race them to! Track Daytona conversion are super popular and you get the moto 2 engine. I personally have a Daytona 765 moto2 and would gladly get a ST and do the conversion over those bikes if I had to do it again. Maybe not the v2…

[@gunnyhighway4422]

​@@Thedannyboy765Hes right! Its still not a supersport though, a tuono v4 does everything well and can compete with the superbikes but its not one, if this triumph was a genuine supersport then you would see something similar in racing against other supersports, you dont because it would get thrashed

[@Thedannyboy765]

@@gunnyhighway4422 my Daytona 765 moto2 says otherwise and it’s practically the same bike. But I see the other side! Just don’t think the bikes invalid

[@gunnyhighway4422]

@@Thedannyboy765 yeah the daytona is one obviously, this is not the daytona completely different ergos and set up

[@splodge57]

You totally missed the point. Try watching it again.😂

[@nicksokolis6343]

What would be the lap time difference between the 765 and the two Japanese bikes?

[@Boisezx6r]

I have the zx6r and it’s an amazing machine. If the Honda triple R is anything like its big brother I’m sure it’s a great bike as well

[@KnightRider1157]

Where are all the 200mph 600s people keep writing in about 😂😂😂

[@JD-fd6gt]

You mean 150 mph if they are lucky and don't have a 250 lb + rider on them? LOL ROTFL

[@shadowred1980]

If I were mcn, I'd delete the soft sport bike group test and get Michael to host it. Then flash up the performance data after each bike has been discussed, as has been done here.

[@sural89]

are you sur for the 1/4 miles time of the kawi ? 10"34 vs 10"72 for the V2 witch is faster from 0 to 100 ? something doesn't add up here

[@michaelch6536]

Look at the trap speed on the kawasaki theres no way it traps 142mph lol it shows the ducati traps 136mph and the ducati beats it in the drag race by a fair bit something is miles off on the kawasakis time

[@thainaaier]

The Kawa is faster off the line ... faster 0-60 .... that's why it got to the quarter mile faster. I own a ZX-6R and up to 100MPH I am ahead of them ZX-10Rs and YZF-R1s ... but when I am doing 100 MPH, they are doing roughly 110-115 MPH when they overtake me.

[@michaelch6536]

@@thainaaier put the crack pipe down no chance in hell you're crappy 600 is beating a liter bike at anything

[@TheRealBhuado]

⁠it's not crappy by any means. But definitely does not outperform a liter bike. Unless the zx10 rider was not racing actually 😂

[@Naldo_S1K]

​@@thainaaierlet me guess... Your 600 does 180MPH too! 😂

[@Euphorica]

Not a supersport test ,but a great and fun video overall .

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@ymaa007]

Great video… super sport nostalgia aside, we’d all have the Triumph

[@FRJMJ]

Love the Honda cbr 600rr .a legend

[@hks071]

Am I reading it right? The zx6r did 10.3 sec 1/4 mile?? A whole sec faster than others ? 7:52

[@shadowred1980]

Agreed something has gone wrong somewhere, Ducati is fastest to 100mph 6.07. Kwak does it in 6.53. Ducati then does the 1\4 in 10.72@136.65. Kwak does the 1\4 in 10.34@142.63.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@shadowred1980 Gearing on the ZX is very short, also clutch is sublime. Go for a half mile and everything would change.

[@thainaaier]

The ZX-6R pulls ridiculously hard at low speeds… i have yet to meet a 1000cc superbike that can beat me from a traffic light

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@thainaaier Gearing. 1L bikes can do nearly 100 mph in 1st gear. Makes launching hard a clutch-roasting affair.

[@unstoppable2131]

That is a true reading. I got a new 2024 zx6r and it is faster than the previous zx6r's. Kawasaki tweak the engine for better low and mid torque. It can accelerate fast but the top speed is restricted to 248km/hr. Reflashed the ecu you will get the acceleration of a 1000cc superbike. 2.8 seconds in 0-100 and a top speed of 280km/hr.

[@motoflamingo]

⚡️The Panigale V2 is an absolutely magnificent ride⚡️

[@djefferson02]

Brilliant video!

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Many thanks!

[@Jasey12]

Brilliant video, straight to the point. It’s good to see a resurgence of the supersport bikes, would be interesting to see if Yamaha will bring the R6 back and maybe Suzuki with the 600/750’s, or will Honda and Kawasaki dominate the market?

[@leevanf1070]

I own a 23 6R and recently got a 21 V2. I was initially planning to sell the 6R since the V2 would replace it but boy was I wrong. The 6R is so much smoother, and responsive so its easier to focus on the track. Ended up keeping both. In my head, my V2 is my brutish cafe cruiser and my 6R is the scalpel when I really want to sport.

[@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495]

Can you please elaborate, because that reads like a bit of a contradiction tbh. Tell us more about how they compare in terms of the general handling (confidence/ flickability), fuelling, power delivery (torque), handlebar vibes, gearbox quality, brakes, relative comfort etc etc etc. Like many potential buyers (most?) I'm only interested in road-riding really, so comments about pootling along would actually be more helpful than how the bikes ultimately handle when pushed to their limits on a track. I am never going to be getting a peg to the ground on the road, and yes, I appreciate that some people will be thinking: 'Why buy a sportsbike then?', but that's a moot question/ point really.

[@leevanf1070]

@@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495 Just like you, I am a primarily a road-rider, and will narrate the differences through the experience of my daily commute. Before even riding, the Panigale is clearly the most beautiful sportbike. If form is one of your top motivators, there is NO sportbike like it. It of course comes with a price. Getting on the bike, the V2 sits higher. I am 5'7 and tiptoe. The grippier seat makes it harder to also do side to side butt-offs at stops. Nevertheless, I see it as a non-issue with practice. The overall triangle is similar. Now starting the bike and moving below 30kph is where ALL the biggest differences are for me. With a small release of the clutch, the inline 4 immediately gets moving, and the slightest throttle already delivers power. The V2's clutch release later, and you need to be more deliberate with giving it throttle. Once going, the V2 will LUG below 25kph. You need to be in the friction zone all the time at those speeds. The inline 4 can ride 1st full release without throttle easily at slow speed. As you squeeze the tank with your legs, youll also notice that the narrow V2 makes it harder to get a good grip. It seems that the V2 best welcomes a rider who moves their butt far back, to bring the knees higher. This position also better helps avoid the heat issue. No problem at speed, but can take more effort riding around the city. As you get up to speed, the difference greatly narrows for me. Both are easy to ride and are almost equal. They just sound really different but i find that once your are up to speed, the vibrations etc are no issue. City handling at considerable speed is equal for me. At corners, the V2 is more willing to lean probably because of the higher COG and thats about it. Thats as much as I can describe for road riding - and let me tell you, the big difference is really only 25kph and below, and since my commute is literally in south east asian traffic, means a lot to me. For anyone in tBuy it without second though. There is nothing as unique and beautiful as the V2 in its category - moreso if you will be using it for the road.

[@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495]

@@leevanf1070 ​ Thanks for the detail. I'm virtually the same height as you btw, and you're kind-of selling me on the Kwacka really. Yeah, the Ducati is definitely a beauty, but I want to be able to ride in traffic and take it easy if I don't feeling like zipping around. Then there's the price difference. Don't get me wrong, my last brand new bike was a Ducati, but you've just reminded me that none of them have a super-smooth clutch release and pickup (well, I don't know about the V4 bikes). When you mentioned vibes I assume you meant from the twin, as that's not what I'd expect from a Japanese four. That said, I rode a BMW S1000RR about ten years ago and subsequently discounted it as an option because the bar vibes were surprisingly high for a 4-cylinder bike. Then again, that is a racing machine really and they aren't Honda, so I don't suppose they were going to make road manners the biggest priority.

[@leevanf1070]

@@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495 i agree, the 6R, especially the 19-23 and the latest iteration, are buttery smooth. They are no brainers for the smart buyer and if I was just a bit smarter, i would have avoided purchasing the V2. Haha! But reiterating that no matter how good the v2 looks, the 6R is the better city/road bike for me. Easier at slow speeds, and absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of reliability and consistency.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

The Kawasaki has a lot of power left on the table if you leave it stock. Emissions regs have really hampered it in recent years.

[@bhanunihale4576]

R6, GSXR 600, daytona 660, RS660?

[@rns6889]

2 bikes that are no longe being updated or made in street legal version, 2 sport street bikes. Doesn't fit here, the supersport is dead, I think we should all move on to the middle weight naked, they're more practical. But I think we could do with their fully faired editions.. Would be great.

[@pmwaffle9348]

The triumoh is here but no gsxr-750 or f3r?

[@rns6889]

They compete with the v2... This is a weird video, no Duke 990, no xsr900 gp. Which belongs in the class, but instead they bring out an expensive ducati v2??

[@pmwaffle9348]

@rns6889 nah this video makes sense since these are the current crop of bikes used in wssp but the triumph should have been the last one they bring because it's not really a supersport, it was homolgated because the class was dying and manufacturers didn't want to dump r&d into new sport bikes.

[@pmwaffle9348]

@rns6889 also the striple was always a daytona with bars and no plastics whereas the others are dedicated road machines that aren't even close to the triple on a circuit

[@rns6889]

@@pmwaffle9348 we shouldn't let world superbike classes determine real world categories, I don't think I need to remind you that the price tag and the performance are vastly different. I know it races with an r6, but in the real world it has 50 percent more displacement, and 30 more horsepower. Its priced the same as a bmw s1000rr! Think about it.. It's the same class as a gsxr750, not a gsxr600r..

[@pmwaffle9348]

@@rns6889 no disagreements there but something like an r6 (all used now) are the same as a used v2 or mv. Plus supersport is determined by race class no matter how you cut it. Realistically, 3/4 here are sportbikes and the trumpet is a naked/sport naked but in the past a duc 748/9 were far more expensive than the 600s yet are technically in the same class. We'll definitely see evolution and have the bikes more competitive on road in the future but this is what (most of) the current crop are like on the road. Especially since the two italians + the r6(!) after ironing out some kinks that were present after the first year of the rule changes.

[@bobbyclark7423]

Yep truimph need to build a 765 Daytona people crying out for it but they seem to think it wont sell.

[@bobo1694]

V2 in 1/4 miles slower than the 636 😮 Can’t believe it 😂

[@JD-fd6gt]

A quick gearing change will change that, geared a little tall from the factory.

[@mike569112]

Sweet comparison!

[@ar-pxp]

2022 Suzuki GSX-R750 💪🏾😈

[@roadkill2104]

It's so good to see proper Supersport bikes coming out again. I liked the justification of the Triumph and with the absence of the Daytona, I can't disagree.

[@Markycarandbikestuff]

Kawasaki is the winner for me, looks amazing, CBR a very close second, just don't get on with the looks of the Triumph (sorry to the fans), Ducati is too expensive and a don't like single sided swing arms.

[@nickrider5220]

I'm with you on single sided swingarms, the best solution is dual sided, it's why true race bikes use them.....plus I don't like the look !

[@sir-ritik]

Great comparison, would have loved to see mt-09!

[@radicalkonrad765]

I miss my 2022 street triple. Such a wonderful and quick bike

[@mynature3270]

765rs will be in my Garage for sure 😌

[@raykakehashi27]

Street triple always surprises like with those premium stuff at a good price

[@rns6889]

Yeah, European manufacturers do more premium versions which I wish the Japanese do. We've never had a 600 with ohlins and brembos from stock.

[@QuickRipzz]

Only thing I'm afraid of for triumph vs kawasaki and Honda is the reliability

[@chrissy.v]

Modern Triumph reliability is actually very good. Best of the European brands, and relatively close to Kawasaki. (KTM, Aprilia, BMW and MV-Agusta have way more reliability problems. Although they still make very nice bikes)

[@hstefan]

I had a second gen 765RS for almost three years, I've put about 18k kms on it, out of which about 5000 where on track and the rest fun sunday blast plus the odd trip once a year with friends around Europe. I have had ZERO mechanical issues with the bike. The only issue I can think of that did not hinder the functionality of the bike was that once of the reed valve screws came loose at about 21k kms on the odo and made the engine tick at idle. Took the tank off, did the major service where I replaced the air filter, spark plugs and checked the valves. ALL of the were in spec. Sold the bike to a local guy who never takes it out of "Rain mode" and commutes to work with it and has a rear tire comparable to a 5th grade geometry problem. Lots of people are upgrading to 3rd gen 765RS because of the color option and the IMU. If you can find one for a good deal don't hesitate - it's a gem of a machine.

[@johnnyblue4799]

@@hstefan You can't say for sure if you didn't buy it new... maybe the previous owner fixed some...

[@hstefan]

@@johnnyblue4799 I bought the bike second hand myself, but yeah, your statement is valid for any brand of bike if you buy sh. Nowadays it's a lottery honestly. Very few people take care of their bikes like they should. Most trash them and get rid of them once the warranty expires.

[@johnnyblue4799]

@@hstefan Asa este.

[@PenrithPanther]

Weird how the pricing varies so much between countries. CBR is 29,418 AUD ride away V2 is 26,200 AUD ride away Zx6R is 17,948 AUD ride away RS is 20,890 AUD ride away I bought a brand new V2 , last November for 23,500 ride away special pricing. It was cheaper than a SuperSport S ! (25,000) Couldn’t be happier with it !

[@jimbo1485]

The CBR is so overpriced. Honda have really lost their way over the last 5 years.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Looks like the ZX is a steal in your country.

[@__Max-oe6zm]

The CBR600RR has not really been made available in Australia (yet) they sold the JDM version for stupid asking price for some reason but have not really attempted to bring the new 2024 Euro version (like in this video) to market in a competitive way. It clearly should be priced in Australia the same as the ZX6R. Hopefully Honda Australia will wake up and realise it would actually sell really well if the bothered to care. Honda Australia you suck for not making the CBR600RR available to purchase at normal price.

[@christiansacra599]

If I didn’t think a used GSXR 750 was just a bit better than a 765RS in almost every way I’d probably buy one. I also prefer the fairings of sport bikes. Hopefully they’ll make a full production Daytona 765 some day

[@adderhoney]

This is the second very suspect review by MCN concerning Honda. A couple of weeks ago, they ran a test saying all kinds of nasty and inaccurate things about the CBR650R - including that it was the slowest bike from 0-60. But... I also subscribe to the printed edition, and that shows the CBR650R as having the fastest 0-60 time of the bikes they were testing. Very strange. Now this test is showing a set of very slow acceleration times for the CBR600RR. I call bullshit on these figures. Motorstatz has GPS verified the CBR600RR as doing 0-60 in 3.28 and 0-100 in 6.25. I know that Honda engines are tight when you're running them in. My CB750 Hornet felt like it had gum in the engine when it had the running in oil in it, before the first service at 500 miles. After this service the engine was much freer and could be fully revved out. My point is this. (a) Why performance test a bike before the 500 mile service and then pass those figures off as though they are Gospel? (b) If the bike was run in and those are genuinely the best figures you could get, then there is something wrong with the road tester (c) If Honda UK have done something to upset you at MCN, just sit down with them and work through it like men. Don't continue to put out clearly negatively biased content about Honda products, otherwise you are just making your road testing look very unprofessional and unreliable.

[@TheRealBhuado]

Who would have guessed a triumph would be the "best supersport" while being a completely different category?😂

[@Naldo_S1K]

TL;DR

[@ziemniaczys9067]

@@Naldo_S1K MCN hates Honda and is publishing bullshit reviews on their bikes

[@Naldo_S1K]

@@ziemniaczys9067 oh, I was unaware. I'll look through their page and find that video. I would be interested to see the reasons they listed for hating Honda.

[@ziemniaczys9067]

@adderhoney motostatz has very ehm interesting results of their tests, cuz their zx4r got a 3.5 (not 4.5, 3.5) seconds to 60 mph, when the best time on video I have seen was 4 seconds flat (tuned version). Also, I have seen a dragy verified video, of gsx 8s, of 0-100 kph of 3.5 and a comparison elsewhere where the zx4rr was absolutely gapped by 8r (which uses basically the same engine as 8s). So I would be cautious about their claimed times. Sort of pics or didn't happen.

[@yannguyery6735]

The Triumph 765 Moto2 limited edition with the clip on and sporier rear set would have made a lot more sense imo.

[@Unknown-si1bm]

Does GSXR600 and F3RR not count as a supersport?

[@pyroglyphicsglass]

I have the sprint 1050 st and much like the street triple, triumph has done a great job of making a “street bike” that’s really made for tours and everyday riding which obviously sport bikes are not.

[@SaqibKhaliq]

I really enjoyed this review, and actually think you've picked all the right bikes. As someone who would buy these as a road bike, I've personnally test ridden all bar one. In the end I went for an Tuono 660 Factory (that's the bike that suited me best).

[@PrestoninParadisus]

The trap speed on ZX6R has to be an error right?

[@chrissunde1104]

Great review.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

2024 ZX-6R: Stock dyno numbers- 112 hp, 48 ft-lb Full exhaust, velocity stacks, ECU flash: 128 hp, 50 ft-lb

[@andys8483]

Ducati Panigale for me every time ❤ The Praying Mantis/bug eye lights on the Triumph creep me out!

[@bk83082]

Ten years ago I bought a 2015 636 and did shop it against an 899 Panigale. The underseat exhaust routing was already a deal breaker for me, but the Duc actually died on the test ride and had to sit for several minutes before it started again. And it supposedly had 20 more hp than the Kawasaki, but my guess is than any normal rider in the real world is faster on a 636.

[@richardtomlinson2063]

I recon true supersports (in-line 4 600's) will be highly desirable in the not too distant future. Emissions rules will have killed-off the class, and older coined-up riders who rode them back in the day will pine for them again, after getter bored with sterile 200bhp superbikes that can't be spanked on the road. They'll become like 2 strokes are right now. I'm keeping hold of my 2009 zx6r, but not to sell, but to rev the tits off it on a Sunday and put a huge smile on my face.

[@TheAcdcnz]

The street triple now looks so weird. The 07-09 generation one street triples look so much cleaner. Love them circle headlights.

[@unstoppable2131]

What surprise me is the new zx6r. He has the fastest quarter mile out of those superspor. So its true that the kawa modified the engine a bit. Its more faster I saw some video of it in the dyno and then compare it to the lower generation with just a full exhaust and air filter it surpassed them compared to 6r with all the modes combine.

[@FreddyKings87]

Beautiful category of bikes..

[@KosmicKitchen]

A comment on naked bikes, (which I’ve been riding for a while): yes, the sitting position is relatively comfortable on those but cold wind can wear you out like nothing else. I tested the CBR recently. It was great except for the heat near the foot pegs. I’m 180cm and had just enough room ob that Honda. I am actually tempted to trade in my CB 1000r for one of those.

[@rickeco4tango33]

As a life long Ducatista I haven’t considered the little Ducati as a super sport in a long time!! The little Ducati has had more power than my 996 since the 899!! I feel the little Duc is 1:00 1:00 a proper superbike, when buying a Ducati it’s only a question of two or Vfour cylinders??🤷‍♂️

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Neevsey, I know you raced back in the 90’s as I did when the World Supersport class was made up of the top 4 Japanese 600 inline 4’s and the 748 from Ducati. Just like their bigger brothers in the WSB. 750 cc Japanese 4 cylinders vs the 916 Ducati. The Italian bikes were arguably harder to ride at their limits but were better at tyre preservation due to the rear getting some relief from decreased power pulses.

[@Doubledeepfried]

Got a 600rr for track, and 765rs for road/commute/vacation. Why choose ;)

[@radiocrash]

That Honda looks great!

[@rns6889]

Are you are that kawasaki clocks in the quarter mile at that time and trap speed? Even a super duke can't hit that trap speed no?

[@pixiemoto3673]

The Best Show ❤🎉