2023 Toyota Crown review // The sedan nobody asked for??

This is a Motormouth couple car review of the all-new 2023 Toyota Crown large hybrid sedan.
All Toyota Crown models have a hybrid powertrain, we have the top Platinum model with the Hybrid Max powertrain, a 2.4L turbocharged 4-cylinder with a 6-speed automatic transmission, it gets a combined 340 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque.
The XLE Toyota Crown and Limited models have a 2.5L 4-cylinder hybrid powertrain matched to a eCVT with a combined 236 horsepower. The Crown is an AWD model. The Toyota Crown comes with some impressive standard features, a 12.3” driver display, 12.3” touchscreen, wireless Apple Carplay and Android Auto, wireless charger, a 6-speaker audio system, power front seats with driver seat lumbar support, heated front seats, cloth upholstery, Toyota Safety Sense 3.0, blind spot monitoring and rear-cross traffic alert and active noise control.
Moving up one from the base model to the Toyota Crown Limited trim opens you up to many more features for an extra $5,400 CAD/$5,600 USD. It adds leather seats, driver seat memory, ventilated front seats, a heated steering wheel, panoramic sunroof, heated rear seats, an 11 speaker JBL sound system and 4 door smart key system.
The Toyota Crown Platinum model gets all those features and adds a panoramic view monitor, digital key and advanced park. In the US, the panoramic view monitor is available on the Limited trim. The top model also adds an adaptive variable suspension.
Fuel economy, the 2.5L hybrid Toyota Crown gets 5.6L/100 km, 42 MPG city and 5.7L/100 km, 41 MPG highway. The more powerful Hybrid Max Toyota Crown gets 8.1L/100 km, 29 MPG city and 7.3L/100 km, 32 MPG highway.
The Toyota Crown starts at XLE $48,565 CAD/$39,950 USD, Limited $53,965 CAD/$45,550 USD and $62,965 CAD/$52,350 USD.
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[@REELTHEGOD]

I like it.. Some people who buy things are not all about what everyone likes. It will be different, you'll stand out and you will be able to find it in the parking lot with ease with its 2 tone look. They act like the Large Sedan is gone, but BMW and Mercedes still sell them. Why not get a lower cost, high horsepower, smooth driving sedan that's better on gas? Toyota was sneaky clever with this one.

[@djplonghead5403]

Basically all luxury brands offer a sedan. BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, etc.

[@jimkonopetski3198]

One big reason an older person, like myself, might like this vehicle - the seat is 4 inches (10cm) higher off the road than the old Avalon. That makes ingress and egress easier for the demographic this car is targeted at. My old knees would appreciate that.

[@tonysterbenc]

That's one reason a lot of older buyers like SUVs, and I'm confident that was a big design consideration here. Folks our age are clearly the target market for this car.

[@clairekennedy8767]

Do you wish it was hatchback

[@tonysterbenc]

@@clairekennedy8767 Who wouldn't? Not making it a hatchback has nearly no functional advantages.

[@clairekennedy8767]

@@tonysterbenc I agree

[@rayRay-pw6gz]

Well if that reason is so. Did you raise up all the furniture in your home ?

[@DariusT32]

I love a large sedan and the Crown Hybrid Max sounds like the next car I would get. This checks the powerful and fast boxes and gets way better gas mileage then my current sedan that checks those.

[@marclangman4836]

There are large sedans out there that get much better fuel economy without being a hybrid. It’s shocking that Toyota could only manage 10L/100km with this thing. However, I would look at this too if they drop it an inch to close that unsightly wheel well gap.

[@frh-freerangehuman]

It’s kind of nice to see a bigger sedan. Dimension wise this is similar to my old 08 Chrysler Sebring (which btw was a fantastic car that I traded at over 300k kms with no major repairs) This should be much easier to get into than my neighbours Cruze which I can barely get into lol

[@chadhaire1711]

Bigger than what? has no more trunk space or cabin room than a Camry

[@CaptainMarvel007]

Last month, test drove the Toyota Crown, Lexus RX 350, RX 350h and Tesla Model Y. Liked the ride quality of the Crown, but I agree with Andrea, wished that Toyota would have designed the Crown with a large trunk, or a made it a compact crossover. Liked the ride suspension of both RX models, the quite cabin, the 350 definitely had more response power than the hybrid model. The Model Y, loved the technology, better than the other brands. Also, amazing power. However, the suspension were the Model Y fell short compare to the other brands. Also, the interior material, especially the seats not as comfortable as the other vehicles that I tested. Decided to reserve the Lexus RX350h AWD Premium+, it had most of the things that will serve my needs. Expected delivery later this month.☺️

[@jonathanratliff4780]

Wise decision my friend. That Lexus is built to a precision standard that Tesla is nowhere near.

[@CaptainMarvel007]

@@jonathanratliff4780 You’re absolutely right about that. The smooth ride was very pleasing, even on uneven pavement. Noise cancellation in the cabin was amazing. Last but not least, the reliability of Toyota/Lexus has been proven for decades, so the latter it’s what was the most important factor, the others are great features that make it that more special.

[@teds7379]

Lexus is always the correct decision. It's a Toyota built to an even higher standard. You can't go wrong with that.

[@lholly7789]

There is a crown crossover coming out I believe end of next year. Crown Insignia.

[@michaels3003]

I see a lot of comments about the two-tone exterior colors... Although the colors are limited, there are five single color options. The two-tone options cost extra.

[@djplonghead5403]

I would love a blue. The new storm cloud is nice.

[@ghenry85]

Ive driven a xle Crown at work and liked it. But what I want is a AWD hybrid Camry. Prius and Corrolla have it, why not Camry? The base hybrid version is going to beat that epa rating by a good margin for alot of folks. The Rav4 Hybrid has a similar system and it I can get mine to do 45 mpg easy on summer days. Winter it tends to yse more but still very good for the size of the vehicle. I have no doubt the drive train will do wonders on this platform as well.

[@cjsnylons]

Again the outfit to match the car, with a great review. Another home run!

[@walpoleandworcester]

I really wish you all had more subs. I love the consistency with these car reviews and saw that you’ve been doing them for such a long time now.

[@doakpaul9653]

I love it, ill take the platinum in solid ♥️ red

[@thomobrien1854]

I don’t get your comparisons … the Crown replaces the “top” car in Toyotas fleet (Avalon) … the Avalon is/was a sedan with, yes, a trunk! The Camry (second in line in Toyotas fleet) is due for a replacement in 2025. I am sure it will have a trunk as well? Toyota makes a Venza, Rav 4, Highlander, 4 Runner, Corolla Cross, Corolla Hatch, that all have hatch back openings? … there are still people out there that want a sedan for highway driving and by what I see in this new Crown, I think they’ve hit a homerun! … you can’t compare a Sonata or an Accord to this Crown … not even close? Just my opinion…

[@joshuabernardino4310]

Now that I've seen a lot more of the Prius in person, this just just reminds me of a Prius'd Avalon.

[@davidalenick1246]

I think ease of ingress and egress was a big reason this car exists. Also the ability for the suspension to eat up bumps in the road. It’s not floaty but it mutes big bumps well.

[@tomdrummy4984]

That turbo 2.4 is in everything ! 🙂. I’m not loving the two tone paint……but great review 👍

[@LSDOGWALKER]

For $71k in Canada for that model (taxes and all in) with no HUD, not terribly attractive and poor gas mileage, frankly I'll stick with my 2022 Venza Limited :) and wait for an Lexus ES redesign at some point in the future :) My local dealer has a base model of this that's been sitting on the lot for weeks, not a common occurrence these days...

[@djplonghead5403]

I love the Crown but I love the Prius more... just can't find a Prius anywhere... My grandma wants a big old sedan. This is the car for her, but I think it would be hilarious if she got a Prius.

[@SpicyWoodsman]

I expect to see very few of these on the road. Toyota doesn't seem to have many "misses", but I think this is one of them. The one thing that I do appreciate is Toyota building the screen into the dashboard rather than the trend of just bolting on a tablet, as so many manufacturers do.

[@tifreakhachey]

The bolt on tablet look like an after thought. Totally ruins the look for me.

[@howlingwolf125y]

I would just get rid of the screen completely .. and go back to good old manual controls and large knobs to control things.. The dashboard would be much better, safer to drive, and easier to use.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

@@howlingwolf125y its about time

[@JoKIA_-100]

I would wait the the updated Camry. The two tone will not age well. I agree a sportback version, in the solid red, would be a much better vehicle, but I’m partial to having a hatch. Great review as always.

[@jamespaul2587]

Agreed, Joe. A hatch would be much more practical, allowing for easier loading and greater cargo capacity with seats folded

[@djplonghead5403]

2 tone has aged fine on classic cars. Why not this?

[@nicholassmith7048]

2:32 rear all-red brake/indicator combination lights are a fail and should be illegal.

[@brucewayne2773]

Would have been a smart move if they made a wagon version of the Crown or change the name to Camry wagon.

[@djplonghead5403]

2025 has a wagon:

[@brucewayne2773]

@@djplonghead5403 I guess I made the right call for them to offer the wagon version.

[@oralpowers7932]

The Crown Platinum reminds me of the 2015/16 Camry V6 300hp which has the same gas milage. But today it's really about the technology and with the carbon tax increases, the Federal Clean Fuel Tax and the EV government rebates. And now they're taking about reducing the number of parking spots and putting everything on the same charger. I just wonder how many of these new vehicles can drive uphill on the Coquihalla highway at 120 Kms per hour for close to an hour? I don't think most of these new vehicles have the power or range but the Crown does.

[@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow]

SEDANS ARE AWESOME -- STOP DISCORAGING THEM!!!! What do you want? Nothing but a sea of ubiquitous SUVs to choose from?

[@danperryy]

What a awesome car. I'm 6'4 and interior leg space is important. When I want to go racing I wont use this car. When I want to sleep over I'll use my motorhome. The soccer kids are gone. It is when I want to use a real car that I drive this - that is most of the time. Do you ever ask why the AMC Eagle (a 4WD first SUV by a different name) did not make it? The first 1,000 miles on my Limited yielded 45+ MPG. Better than a Prius. Better than my awesome 4 VW TDI Passat's!. Those that can't understand why Toyota brought out a CAR? That is because some of us actually like to drive a car. This is better driving than my Audi Q7.

[@gerardowaimin4913]

Toyota Crown always has been the top sedan, possibly a link between Toyota and Lexus. I remember it used to be Corolla, Corona, Cressida and Crown. At least in latinoamerica.

[@tyc9302]

Crown is an old top model of Toyota in Japan but not marketed in US, the closest model in US was Cressida which was a luxury Toyota before Lexus was available.

[@denisemilfort4581]

They don’t like the red and black well, I’m crazy about it. I Love it. It looks cool! That’s a matter of personal taste.

[@nickxslutube]

Since all large sedan competition gone! Interesting... so Toyota says, we do it. Since they have one from Japan, nothing to lose.

[@edwinstar100]

Hatch backs are always dirty on the back side! Great video.

[@thesuncollective1475]

5:40 I think it's the best looking car in the fleet

[@certifiedreviews8485]

I just test drove a crown today. I'm sorry, but I disagreed with just about everything these reviewers said. The car looks great in and out and felt far better than the Avalon, my brother owns. This thing is kind of a cross between a large sedan and SUV and I think that is a smart move. I drove several sedans today, including the Honda Accord, which was very nice, but I certainly felt a lot more legroom in the crown than that one even though they said the Honda backseat was roomier?? Myself, and my friend did not get that impression at all.

[@ericfielding2540]

I saw a Toyota Crown today and I thought it might be a nice replacement for my Mazda 6, since Mazda stopped making the Mazda6.

[@HardyHempstead]

How are you getting 21.5 mpg?

[@jeffer1101]

I'm guessing the Crown is the replacement for the Avalon, which was mostly just an upscale Camry. Similar to what they did with the Venza (which I own). The Venza is really just an upscale RAV-4. The Venza is to the RAV-4 what the Avalon was to the Camry. If you want a little more premium without going all the way to Lexus, the Venza and Crown are Toyota's options. Neither is likely going to be high volume, but neither was the Avalon either.

[@MarkR973]

I have an Avalon, it is a lot larger than the Camry… it’s bigger than the es inside too… I’m looking into the Lexus GX next, this car is just a miss for Toyota… the Avalon was better looking

[@michaels3003]

Avalon was specifically created for the U.S. market; I am not sure where Camry is sold (I had one, but a long time ago).

[@MarkR973]

@@michaels3003 we have Camrys here in the US as well. Their a huge seller.. they ride slot harsher, or firmer is probably a better description, their more sporty ...

[@alengreen589]

what happen if the 2024 Camry comes a little bit bigger as the old one ? then why you need this one ?

[@Smoothsounds88]

The poor placement of that volume button ruins the whole interior for me

[@springertube]

I agree, bad placement or at least configured/shaped housing, calling too much attention to itself... even if it ergonomically is equidistant between driver and passenger which may have been what they were thinking. Although it would place it further away from the passenger, I was thinking that glossy black plastic triangle between the infotainment screen and the driver information gauge cluster would have been a place, seems to need something in there! I not sure I'm thrilled about that either, but an idea.

[@bobdadruma]

Perfect replacement for the Avalon. I intend to buy a Crown Signia Suv later in the year when it arrives. The Lexus vehicles have too much luxury for my taste and I don't feel comfortable in them. The Crown will really hit the spot for me.

[@timphillips4147]

Really been looking forward to this good looking sedan Andrea, but does it live up to those looks?

[@andreaspencer9813]

It would look so much better in one solid colour. I have to give Toyota props, this Crown handles really well, the Hybrid Max powertrain is terrific.

[@timphillips4147]

@andreaspencer9813 Yes I agree now I've had a closer look in your review to be fair, good call!

[@Where2bub]

Yes! I’m so glad you said it! It would be so much better as a hatchback! This needs to be an estate wagon

[@springertube]

Great review! Toyota has teased a sportback and even wagon-esque version. If that's so, yea! I agree on the dislike of the two-tone especially in the red/black combo. That'll date quickly. Also, to me, the gloss black on any car's outside, such as the bumper area(s) and other trim pieces sends it downmarket,... and the lower sides of the console, on this presumably otherwise "Crown" level of car, need to be carpeted or at least padded/faux leather. I don't like that the shifter is fiddly ("quirky" as Andrea says)--unnecessarily, don't fix what ain't broke--but it's still leagues ahead of the fukakata pull-push buttons and rotary knobs. I'm with Andrea on this one, the shifter is everything. It should fall readily to hand, be immediately intuitive, ideally something you hardly even have to look at to operate and never be anything that you have to "get used to." Too important a function. It doesn't have to be big and clunky like some of the trucks get; there are plenty of examples out there of nicely trim regular shifters.

[@Dryoussefaa]

Only perforated seats in the front?!? Subaru has it in the back and breathable leather

[@jacksonngie319]

I prefer that the crown design maintains their Japanese luxury sedan style than this one… I like the boxy elegance of the crown from before

[@JeffKing310]

Can we take a moment to appreciate Andrea’s sense of style and colour?

[@michaelsheedy]

IMO, Toyota is over crowding many segments. Trying to keep them all fresh will be daunting. Now there is talk of a new Celica.

[@leosnijders4954]

How about an aircooled side valve engine? No radiators, no timing belts, no pushrods. Build it in Ontario.

[@Bonjurro]

Reminds me of the 1st generation Venza but without a hatch.

[@FirstLast-dy4gt]

Wish it had a moonroof that opens

[@jhollie8196]

Miss the Avalon.

[@BrianPetersen-l2w]

After owning a Toyota Solara I vowed never to buy another vehicle without at least a hatchback for better utility. This Crown is just a replacement for the Avalon.

[@allenmyers8568]

You may not recall that Toyota has had a Crown twice before and it has failed. I think that replacing the Avalon with the Crown is a mistake.

[@babajinde]

Not everyone wants an SUV I think it's great that Toyota is trying this!

[@klagterroq]

Loved your video about the Crown. You mentioned Full Size Sedans that are gone, that makes me wonder about the 2020 Acura RLX, what will Acura do to upgrade or replace the RLX?

[@Motormouth...]

RLX has already been cancelled.

[@gch8155]

Too expensive..that’s why 😅 Almost 60 k in USA TOO MUCH NICE VIDEO BY THE WAY

[@stephenwierzbicki4463]

Zach, I NEVER Had an AWD car Growing Up(60yrs) in Boston MA?! Now, All of Sudden I Need One? I Just got a 2023 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid. I LOVE IT!❤

[@nickolastiguan]

Toyota, make it a LIFTBACK 😎

[@jonathanratliff4780]

So are you saying for the price of this four banger hybrid Toyota I could get a Lexus ES with that smooooth V6 ultra lux package with Mark Levinson sound system and a whole lot more equipment and semi aniline leather? I mean how long do I have to think about jumping for the ES instead lol

[@Hazdazos]

Why why why why is this not a hatchback?!?

[@johnfranktullo3463]

At 2.56 when u came to a stop I notice that the crown rolled back I bit too much for my liking

[@belanger.fran6]

About a Crown E 4X

[@JezzaTheChamp]

It’s a neat car, but doesn’t really seem to fill a needed gap in Toyota’s lineup.

[@EdwardVarner]

I have never verified this but I was told that Camry and Corolla also mean crown in other languages and this is a Toyota Easter egg. Any ideas if this is true?

[@ItsAlive111]

Crown or Clown with the two tone paint job?

[@Jeffnvz]

I agree that this car should be a hatchback, but this is a Crown, so in fact, its naming is wrong. It should be called Venza 2025, and with the hatchback. Crown was the star vehicle in Asia during those glory days of JDM, but in North America, obviously, people doesn't buy that.

[@Tonga2]

Great review, Sedan? No Thanks. Price? absolutely No Thanks.

[@shanesnyder7359]

Great video! I don't like this vehicle at all. I'd take a Camry any day over this thing. Very strange offering from Toyota. When are the 2024 Camrys coming? Thanks again!

[@howlingwolf125y]

Another great review from Andrea and Zack.. This Toyota Crown is a goofball vehicle.. Toyota should have named it the Toyota Clown.. Yes, that's CLOWN - as in funny clown!!.. I am not sure who would want this.. I think Andrea made a good point about - why didn't Toyota just make it a hatchback. I would have gone a bit further and just raise the roof and make it into a full boxy SUV.. More room and much better visibility. That' s what people want. (Or maybe a new mini- minivan - with a high roofline??). The platform and most other things are pretty good. I know Toyota has quite a few SUVS/Crossovers. But the more the merrier and gives consumers a better selection to choose from .. As long as Toyota makes them different from each other.

[@Myshcan]

The video states that, " . . the Lexus ES 300H with a two and a half liter four-cylinder with 215 horsepower and a starting price of fifty six thousand dollars." Not so sure about that. The ES hybrid starts at $43,340.00 U.S. dollars. At $56k, that sounds like the top end of the ES hybrid.

[@andreaspencer9813]

We used Canadian pricing.

[@Myshcan]

@@andreaspencer9813 OK, thanks.

[@nwmusic2010]

Why did they not release this as a Lexus?

[@bobdadruma]

The Crown is aimed at wealthy mature people who don't like the ultra luxury of a Lexus.

[@Terry-p7t]

Too small for a full size sedan. Would've been just a compact (Dodge Aspen) several years ago. No wonder people switched from sedans to Suv's for those wanting something larger and heavier and safer .

[@irutgers]

This car is definitely just meh…but thx for your great reviews…looking forward to more in 2024!

[@stevebatogower8029]

I am looking for a new Honda accord

[@JosueHernandez-zp7lo]

I have a Toyota Corolla cross 2022 basic trim , but I want to switch over to Mazda hybrid , any suggestions ?

[@chrislim7976]

Versions of this exist elsewhere in the world. "Crown" isn't a North American moniker but Asian. Being the largest car company on the planet not a big deal for Toyota to throw a couple of these at North America.

[@jaybou007]

A shame they didn’t use the shape of the car to make a fastback out of it.

[@owenmcdonald5922]

I agree with Zach. The name Crown suggests something extra special.

[@johnathansmith1003]

2024 Duracell

[@trieunguyen5897]

I’ll put some AT tires and smaller wheels on this beast.

[@seanh2390]

another great video!

[@nickburak7518]

Exactly. Hatchback... If only. Also, actual sun and wind roof. It's gotta open

[@Justkevin377]

I prefer a sedan.

[@Patrick-eieio]

Seniors here! We are no fans of SUV's. Really glad to see that Toyota gave us "Seniors" a reasonable alternative. Thanks for the honest review.

[@bitbat9]

The Crown definitely looks better in one color instead of the two tone option. I saw an all black Crown and it’s really sharp looking

[@Rickster1965]

Same, a Limited in black look very sleek. Probably my 2nd I’ve seen in person

[@ericporter2373]

I truly like the two tone better. Just begs for attention

[@howardsaidman6822]

I have the white and black 2 tone and am getting a lot of compliments

[@tonysterbenc]

I'd think dark colors would be the best choice to minimize its bluff-walled height, much like dark clothes on a heavy person.

[@chrissullivan5752]

All black interior. Ugh

[@msullivan3531]

I don’t understand why everyone is so negative about this car. It’s just different. Not everyone wants or needs an SUV. The gas mileage is amazing. I wanted one but couldn’t find one.

[@TheBigdaddy9448]

Everyone is stuck on SUV's! I think the Crown looks amazing. What's more important is the power that the max hybrid offers. They are giving you a lot of choices here. A sedan with amazing mpg or a sedan with amazing power and good mpg. The other four choices that you compared this car to don't even come close.

[@karennz1099]

I think you’re so right… I love SUV but I really like that this is truly a cross between car and suv.

[@Mike-ru9ht]

Exactly. I don't want to drive an SUV just like I don't want to drive a minivan.

[@wasupfool5692]

Because you're much better off buying a Lexus for the money they're charging for the Crown

[@msullivan3531]

@@wasupfool5692 those are ugly IMO. To each their own I guess.

[@rafs7155]

I have the 2023 Prius Prime and now also the Crown Platinum (2 tone bronze.) As much as I love the new Prius, the Crown rides like a vault on wheels. So quiet. The ride in comfort mode is very smooth and power delivery is fantastic. I see most of reviewers are comparing it to Lexus ES, but I find it most comparable to Lexus RX500h. The guts of the car are almost identical with very similar ride quality, sound proofing and power delivery, and it’s cheaper by 20k CAD.

[@jodi_caffeinatedyarn]

I would consider the RX500H but not the Crown. They seem like totally different vehicles. I love my Lexus RX -- and I hate when I get an ES as a loaner, even though I'm sure it's nice for a sedan -- I just don't want a sedan. If I'm not driving an SUV/crossover, I'd rather have a hatchback or even a wagon.

[@carl4737]

Does the Crown has regen and how much?

[@tonysterbenc]

I'd expect the Crown to be quieter than a Prius, just as I'd expect an Avalon to be quieter than a Corolla. It's bigger and more expensive. Of course, one big difference between the Crown and the RX is cargo versatility. To me at least, the omission of a hatchback on the Crown is inexplicable and unforgivable.

[@rafs7155]

⁠@@tonysterbenc I mentioned the Prius because the reviewers brought it up. If you want practicality no sedan will make you happy. You have the Ravs, NXs, RXs to choose from. A sedan driving experience will always beat an SUV and will always be more refined than a hatchback. Both front and rear wheel wells are outside the cabin making it more quiet. That’s why there will always be an S class or an A8 in addition to GLS or an A7.

[@dredlew]

For the price whats the best one crown or prius ?

[@JEL1414]

Just finished a 4 day rental of this car... was quite impressed. Even the base model showed fantastic pickup.. driving through the mountain passes around Canmore and Banff this car was a pleasure to drive.

[@xfirstxlast6502]

I like my "small" Lexus shifter. You don't have to look at it and it doesn't not take up much space. A winner!

[@July.4.1776]

We always purchased ford five hundred’s and Taurus sedans they no longer produce a sedan. We were looking for a new hybrid full size sedan. That is why we purchased a crown limited. It is so nice to enter and exit. On our first tank of fuel we are getting 44.5 MPG 😊

[@Trades46]

The Crown historically been an older person car in Asia with some money laying around. Remember that Lexus didn't exist until the late 2000s in many parts of Asia. The Crown here is now more of a Avalon replacement that again targets more upscale buyers over the Camry but doesn't want the ES350. The higher ride height definitely also targets older people who don't want a SUV either.

[@gregdee9085]

BINGO. I can't stand SUVs.. like fat balding mid aged men/women.. this car is on my short list as is the ES350. u must be in car sales. I'm not "older" but i like the chill cruse vibe.. something these reviewers all miss..

[@facetiousmonkey5322]

“If I asked consumers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse!” - Henry Ford

[@Jay-bw3fl]

Seems that since the move to turbo hybrid systems didn’t really give us better efficiency all it really did was make the powertrains more complicated and more than likely less reliable than the old v6. Same situation with the new tundra. I hope they prove to be as long lasting as the old naturally aspirated engines but its very unlikely. I do love the power of turbos, though. Lol

[@ghenry85]

I would argue that it's more than the turbochargers vs Atkinson cycle that hurts efficiency in this style of hybrid. I think the e-CVT helps out with gas milage as well, it's a bit funky for sure, but it's a perfect instrument for mpgs in my opinion. Also the turbocharged engine(s) doesn't have as high as compression ratio that can help with efficiency. And of course you have neccessary evil(or is it?) of the waste gates on the turbocharger. These turbo hybrids are hybrids that aim to enhance performance as much as increasing efficiency. The way I would kind of mend that bridge so to speak is take a page from F1 cars. Very high compression ratio with Budack cycle(basically Atkinson cycle but reversed), and a motor generator instead of a waste gate on the turbo. And finally the combustion chamber design. F1 teams have achieved over 50 percent thermal efficiency. Basically, I don't mind complexity(as long as it's reliable of course) but I want the complexity to pay dividends(which it can). Come to think of it. The Budack, higher compression ratio, and combustion chamber design wouldn't really increase complexity over any other engine.

[@Terry-p7t]

Too many wear items compared to the Avalan.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

@@ghenry85 I don’t doubt that Toyota is more than capable of making these new more complex engines just as reliable as the old 90s 4 and v6 -but they won’t. The proof is all around us in the form of semi trucks. Straight 6 turbo diesels that last over a million miles without a rebuild. Planned obsolescence has been the name of the game for as long as personal automobiles have existed. The biggest driver for all the new tech is mpg numbers for the government regulations and so they can avoid fees for not meeting cafe standards. Saying it’s as much about increasing power as it is efficiency just isn’t true. Its just a bonus that comes with turbos.

[@lightshunshine3861]

@@Jay-bw3fl Do you guys actually understand why they changed the v6 NA to i4 turbo hybrid? this is not a matter of efficiency but a matter of reducing emissions because in other continents (outside America) there are several regions that have regulations that taxes will be greatly affected by emissions, if they enforce it then there are only two choices, namely between not being able to sell it in that region or selling it at a much higher price because paying taxes is more expensive (prices go up not because of dealer mark ups). Even as I recall, for example, the Toyota Highlander was only the i4 hybrid, which was sold outside America, for example in Europe and China, even in Southeast Asia, the average car from mainstream brands, such as Toyota Honda and even Hyundai, they got only engines that were i4 turbo or i4 hybrid, if want to take the V6 option and above, you have to prepare more money because the price will increase by 20-50%

[@Jay-bw3fl]

@@lightshunshine3861 like I said, it’s about meeting cafe standards mandated by governments which is about efficiency and emissions

[@ejtriance8765]

One thing I don't like is how the limited trim gets more interior color options. I mean, I like black, but I don't see why you can't get more colors in the top trim. You are paying even more money for less customization.

[@toy4bob]

We put a deposit on a limited in heavy metal gray with tech package. This is basically my wifes car, and she absolutely does not care for ANY suv. she has owned 4 honda accords since 1995. We are both tired of the road noise and stiffer ride of the accord, including the 23 hybrid touring we test drove before going with the Crown. Love the quiet plush ride, and love the seating height for climbing in and out! I will add my wife has some mobility issues, and myself coming off 2 partial knee replacements last year love getting in and out of the crown compared to others sedans. Oh, and I liked the pep of the platinum, but just couldn't get over buying a hybrid and giving up 10mpg compared to the limited. I have my mustang GT for manual transmission for spirited driving LOL

[@PistolPete3322]

We just bought a white limited after going to see and buy a Venza. We have an older truck and a new suv and are going to use the crown around town and some travel. So far getting 39 mpg. Yep we’re 62 and it fits our lifestyle while saving on gas. Rides great and is quiet. We didn’t like the two tone either. My wife loves it.

[@IntelMon]

I have the Limited Model and loving it. For those who don't understand why another sedan and who it's for, the answer is that some people still want large sedans with conventional trunks but also want a car that sits higher. This model delivers just that. Getting in and out of the vehicle is easy on your knees, and you get a better command of the road by sitting a bit higher. You get AWD, a luxury interior, and great fuel economy (unless you choose the platinum). Toyota has done a great job. This is so much better than the Camry but still not an SUV. If you want an SUV, Toyota has so many options.

[@rayRay-pw6gz]

I own a 2018 Camry . The car is the best sedan in this price range 25K. The 203HP / 8 speed transmission are a perfect match. The suspension works well for comfort and diving hard . 34MPG AVG. using the 8 speed gives me all the control I need in manual mode. One pedal driving, hill braking and quick acceleration to enter the highway. Now my problem is I enjoy this car so much , I am hesitant to buy a different new car.

[@July.4.1776]

We just purchased a crown limited getting 44.5 MPG my wife wanted another sedan. Just on our first tank of fuel so far we love it. It is easy to enter and exit.

[@sarahd109]

I like that it seems to sit in between a sedan and suv in ride height. Kind of like the Ford 500. I hope it does well in terms of sales.

[@DaveElectric]

I'm a younger person who wants this car. After a long day of work the car better be nothing but refined and comfortable.

[@michaellee401]

Camry is kamuri in Japanese...it means crown. Corona(another Toyota model) also means crown. 😄

[@Lost_investor888]

These look fantastic driving down the highway! They have a lot more presents than a Avalon or ES 300h

[@michaeloehler2413]

I have a 2018 Camry XLE Hybrid, and I am going to replace it in the next few months. I went to my local Toyota dealer and compared this to the RAV4. I admired the Crown so much more than the RAV4. It is night and day! I also thought the entry and exit from the Crown was extremely easy. I am going to get the Crown. The decision for me is the Limited or Platinum. I have a feeling I'll be getting a Platinum. I think this is a great car, and is very well designed. I was considering a luxury car (BMW X3) but am nervous about maintenance and operating costs...so this is a great compromise.

[@berniemadoff7837]

With the Crown Signia you can easily go camping with automatic climate control all night long.

[@ronhudson3730]

Maybe Im getting old but most of the choices in this video are butt-ugly. Toyota's across the board, are two-baggers for sure.

[@legag68]

You are right about being in the same league as the ES, but back seats don’t fold down in the ES in favour of a stiffer chassis. I also think that they have something else planned for the Crown.