MotorWeek | Comparison Test: Muscle Car Challenge - V8s

[@jdunn85]

Can't lose with either of these cars!!

[@eltoro13]

I bet he hates airplanes seats too

[@ktkof04]

I don't think the problem is the Recaro seats, I think the problem is that guy being twice the size he should be.

[@hyperlogos]

+ktkof04 Recaro makes sport seats with adjustable bolsters...

[@ktkof04]

+Martin Espinoza I don't think adjustability is the problem for morbidly obese guy. I think his main problem is being morbidly obese. Food and alcohol are about the only universally accepted addictions in this country, but you don't see people complaining the toilet isn't big enough for them to make it in when they're wasted drunk. Morbidly obese man should accept that due to his mental illness, he's not going to fit into some seats. Airline seats, Recaro sports seats built for normal human beings, and maybe some poorly engineered plastic lawn chairs to name a few. They all should be avoided by morbidly obese man. In the mean time, maybe morbidly obese man should try to focus on living past his 50's, because very few of my parent's friends who were morbidly obese made it far into the Social Security Level.

[@hyperlogos]

ktkof04 so only thin people should have good cars? Good thing you're perfect eh?

[@ktkof04]

+Martin Espinoza It has nothing to do with being perfect. It has to do with the guy faulting a perfectly fine product for not accommodating his illness. Like I said, if I were an alcoholic I wouldn't expect products to adapt to me while I'm drunk. This guy shouldn't expect products to adapt to him while he has his addiction and is morbidly obese.

[@hyperlogos]

ktkof04 Oddly, the other two products accommodated him just fine, so clearly it's not impossible.

[@DizzyMan24]

That Challenger look sweet especially in that color.

[@michaelmontgomery2446]

Plum crazy purple

[@DizzyMan24]

+Michael Montgomery Do they actually call it Plum Crazy?

[@autonathan]

+Lucas Arthurs Yes

[@notfried2004]

+Lucas Arthurs , MoPar got strange in their colors and their names in '69 & '70, such as Go-Man-Go (later changed to Go-Mango) and Vitamin C, Panther Pink and Moulin Rouge, Top Banana and Lemon Twist, Citron Yella and Curious Yellow, Sublime Green and Lime Light, Green Go (Gringo) and Sassy Grass Green, and of course Plum Crazy Purple and In Violet. First names are Dodge, second are Plymouth.

[@kelvinchannel9592]

yes i would love to see the camaro in that color

[@dobbins2550]

Pretty accurate portrayal. SS is the better all around car, Challenger is the big bruiser, while the Mustang is in between the two. Challenger is my car, I just bought my 3rd one.

[@ftffighter]

+dobbins2550 I was debating between a 2014 Mustang 5.0 Manual and a 2015 Challenger scat pack manual lol it's hard and i'm coming from a 1994 Taurus SHO

[@Jordendog]

Think if they parked all 3 in front of me that I would pick the challenger. Just like it the most.

[@klasseact6663]

I always try to not be rude in my comments but the statement about the Recaro's is absurd! Try this, LOOSE SOME WEIGHT! We never get the good seats here in the US because people are so overweight!

[@speedingtaurus1814]

Klasse Act you are right. If you are overweight than just get the regular seats!

[@demoskunk]

*LOSE*

[@caseycardenas1668]

Try this, learn to spell

[@blairbrown4812]

I got to say, as a 5 ft 10 110 lb guy I gotta go with the big guy on this one. I would sooner choose the big cushy Thrones of the Challenger over those bench like Recaro seats for long range cruising.

[@superpug666]

why didnt you use a challenger rt? .....was this filmed at the camaro launch?

[@jamalmazahoe1379]

it puts a smile on my face to hear those performance figures, thr muscle car rebirth is almost upon us

[@t.a-8469]

You had no idea- hell cat speaking in tongues

[@SportsMusicCars]

when the 412hp GT came out, it was doing 0-60 in 4.4 and 1/4 mi in 12.7. It actually got slower... the old 315hp GT did 60 in 4.9 1/4mi in 13.5 so something is amiss with this test.

[@rickmassey1272]

These idiots only repeat what they read. They're not true enthusiasts.

[@SpyderRios]

Stop teasing me with the GT350R

[@gorgeusjames]

Why? Cuz it’s better car in every single aspect than any camaro?

[@slacadjuster237]

The Plum Crazy Purple Scat Pack Challenger please. I want one

[@nickcaruth8939]

i love all three cars....i would take all three.....

[@BMan100]

Gawd that Hemi....I miss my 2012.....I NEEEEEEED IT!!!!!! (again)

[@Miguel787PR]

Finally a review of the big three Muscle beautys!

[@cassiocm]

Challenger!!!!!!

[@Acc0rd79]

I love the new Camaro, they did great on the redesign! Though I still am in love with that Plum crazy purple on the Challenger, just pretty:)

[@NewtonWashinton]

+Acc0rd79 yeah i agree

[@Iconhulk]

😅

[@RK1FX]

That house and those trees... so lovely, where is this?

[@turbotommyguns]

So the last line says we're all winners. At 42,000 to 45,000, I'm not sure anyone is winning here.

[@con1035]

Motorweek...keepin it real for 35 years.

[@goatmonkey2112]

I can understand why they picked the Camaro, it is obviously the best performer in every category. I just don't like them though. It has the worst styling, the worst interior, worst headroom, smallest trunk, and most clausterphibic interior with terrible outward visibility. It's a great engine and chassis looking for finishing details that would make it a much better all around car if they fixed them. The ZL1 and Z28 versions won't fix those things, just improve on what is already good.

[@josephmercurio1024]

This video is deceiving bc it shows a Shelby gt 350 which is the correct Mustang to compete with the other two but as u start the video it shows just a reg gt mustang.

[@Garf2O]

Its not the correct vehicle, they did this test right, R/T scatpack, SS, and GT, the "basic trim" muscle cars. Gt350 would be compared with a SRT 392 and a SS 1LE, and then a gt500 would be compared to a ZL1 and a SRT hellcat

[@shopwithaaron]

Good for Camaro! Using the Caddie ats chassis sure helped. Sorry I ran over you backing up...I swear I didn't see you!

[@Hiee605]

i loved those recaro seats

[@SportsMusicCars]

you're probably not pushing 400lbs, either...lol

[@zoothief]

Too fat to fit. Cars fault?

[@Acc0rd79]

+Zoo Thief yes, sounds like politics of today:)

[@RomanM803]

challenger.

[@whiteyshark5826]

Where are the road course times?

[@Dolby109]

I like how he says the Camaro feels "really nimble for such a heavy car", but its the lightest of the pack by over 100lbs.

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

Exactly.

[@user-wq8bh4ct3u]

He was really excited talking about the Ford and Dodge though. He was still out voted.

[@larryjaramillo4830]

The pony car wars are alive and well! Love it!

[@floridamaddogg]

I feel the 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile times of the mustang and challenger were way slower than what other tests and places have gotten. The camaro was the only car that tested around same as what you see elsewhere. I would like a redo of the challenger and mustang drag times. I know the challenger is neck and neck with the Camaro with about a 12.3-12.4 sec time and the mustang I would expect closer to a 12.6 sec.

[@19chucki74]

With the Camaro on the new lightweight Alpha chassis, makes it more nimble than the others. Though the Challenger had the most power, it also had more bulk. I expected the Muatang to be in the middle anyway, with it having a first ever IRS. Still needs chassis tuning, from what I see. Love all three.

[@pulento6676]

Stopped watching this immediately once I realized there was no GT350R.

[@bkehlin]

The challenger wouldn't have any competition if it were 500 lbs lighter. Just wait until 2020, when the refresh happens it'll be top dog.

[@basshead.]

Didn't happen.

[@resplendentwitticism]

Chevrolet did an amazing job with the Camaro. I have a 2012 and do prefer the rear-end styling hands down over this 2016 though.

[@saadqureshi7127]

The Bat nice, I also have a 2012 heavily modified camaro. Love driving it. Also added rear and front View camera. Def need those while parking.

[@zohaib876]

All 3 are beautiful & great cars with the performance to back it up. My favorite was, is & always will be the Challenger.

[@zachg9065]

Will Dodge redesign the Challener already? It is too big and heavy.

[@Iconhulk]

A Challenger 392 scat pack and ss vs a plain Mustang Gt.. Gee no biased review here.. smh

[@riceoobxg]

Finally. Apples to apples.

[@joobaggs6886]

yeah prices were pretty close.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

Yeah and the plum came in second. lol

[@TechSeller]

How is this apples to apples? The challenger is bigger and heavier for starters. Did the mention this, or talk about ride quality?

[@McBeamer94]

Daniel Lee The Challenger has always been a bigger and heavier car than the rest of the muscle lot!

[@kenhoward3512]

How many owners actually buy these cars to race regularly on a track? A useful comparison test would have to include real pavement, in real traffic, where people typically drive every day.

[@ralphl5441]

Is that intake stock on the Challenger?

[@WestEndNAB]

Yes. It's called the shaker edition.

[@joobaggs6886]

+Anoop R shake weight ed!

[@Kuhladestkyicky]

Challenger always the King of Cool. Best road trip ride. Mustang for a rental. Camaro to make you crap yourself at the track.

[@applebitefool]

First thing to do when you get a challenger is to replace the skinny 245 tires in the back for at least 275. My stock e36 M3 has 245s and with its tiny 240bhp I still get some wheel spin when I launch so there's no way that much rubber can handle 500 bhp. With that much power it should be a 12s flat car.

[@PatCurrie]

I know this is late, just picked up a 2017 Challenger SRT. As a former 2013 & 2018 Camaro owner it became a sportscar. The downsizing from 2010-2015 was a mistake. I also had a 2008 Mustang that also downsized a bit to sportscar size. The Challenger is a proper muscle car and has stayed the course from 2008 to 2023 in proper HP and looks. Challenger should have won, since it was the only muscle car.

[@granvillefriel1877]

I'm a chevy guy that Dodge looks sweet!!

[@rickmassey1272]

Everyone i know that bought the camaro traded it for a mustang or other car once the novelty of power wore off due to price,visibility, and driving comfort.

[@artiebonillas]

Recaro seats? That guy should be fired for his lame review based on seats!! Congratulations Camaro, All nice rides! I'll take the Challenger 😎

[@tatankahaska]

Nice cars I still love the Mustang GT hands down

[@521CID]

The SS is more comparable with the GT350, the scat pack challenger, and the 5.0 are just out of there league with the SS, GM really did a great job with this one.

[@Outcastiid]

The Hellcat would have to be brought in if we did top trim tests, so that would put both GM and Ford to shame.

[@Sinn0100]

This is false. The only issue with the Challenger is the stock tires. The Camaro SS is not the clear winner when the Challenger hooks up.

[@buddyaddis596]

Different divers different out come .had friend with a mustang GT been driving it for yrs at the track , upper 9s always his friend drove it in same weather conditions an got it into the high 8s , to me just depends whose in tune with the cars all r bad ass an id be proud to sit an drive anyone of them .

[@Icygt500]

6th gen camaro is a beast!!

[@Toyota4Life]

I would take the Dodge

[@richardwaddell6037]

I'll take both....please!!!

[@ntricarico87]

Very surprised MT to see the mustang come in 3rd place. I can see the mustang and camaro dueling it out for 1st but not 3rd.

[@jason5315]

I nominate the scatpet challenger for being number one on the most comfortable muscle car which yall did not cover

[@nostalgiadad7137]

that fat guys main complaint was the adjustability of the seats. My shoulders are to wide those the seats. The stock premium seats fit me much better. The recaros are for posers mostly as 1 in 1000 buyser will never regularly tacke their cars to the track.

[@ftffighter]

Hear that Ford?? The Camaro is LIGHT! Bring my lightweight foxbody principle back!

[@83FB7]

+ftffighter You're kidding me right? Do you realize that the Camaro is only 20lbs lighter than the Mustang? Ford has a lot of room left on the table to shed weight out of the Mustang. What room does GM have?

[@ftffighter]

83FB7 20lbs is enough to slow down the car a whole second man

[@83FB7]

ftffighter Um no it's not. 100lbs of weight is a tenth of a second in the quarter mile with equal power. The Mustang GT runs 12's in the quarter, they just can't drive for shit.

[@ftffighter]

83FB7 100lbs = 10 seconds and They need to stop putting soap compounds in the tires, I believe what you are saying for sure!

[@83FB7]

ftffighter I seriously hope you're joking

[@robertellison4889]

I was talking about the Dodge. The Dodge is built in Brampton Ontario.

[@Bmackins94]

I didn't know a car under 3700 pounds was a heavy car

[@RCrider185]

+Bmackins94 It's easyer to find coupes that weigh less than 3600lbs, than ones that weigh more than 3700lbs your in high end luxury coupe territory above 3700lbs +.

[@kg6120]

I like the way they suck you in with that GT350R in the beginning.

[@BEBNC1]

+Ken Garcia Lol...I know, right?

[@aaroncobb4476]

the best part is they had to use a scat pack challenger to keep up with a base gt and ss haha why not a base r/t challenger

[@billwilmington8284]

The Camaro is a sports car. The Challenger is a true muscle car. The Mustang is... well I'm not sure...

[@motorcitymuscle1598]

a pony car

[@masadda7]

the origin of pony car's

[@cptnoremac]

+Jordan Little The Corvette is a sports car. The Camaro has back seats and is heavy.

[@henchicken1]

+Jordan Little It is both and neither.....A car you live with every day...

[@TheDonta99]

Both!!! and the best seller combined lol...

[@johnhenry3177]

Anyone who has a camaro knows what I'm about to say. Sit to low,blind spots everywhere. Still rides somewhat rough but ohhh love the power. The v6 is an awesome v8 like power plant but they seem to use oil. You won't get 5k on a change. Google it, it's a common problem.

[@Sinn0100]

No one should be getting 5K on a change. If you want your car to hold together you better do it at 3K. Both my 2012 SS Camaro and 2017 Challenger get theirs done like clockwork at 3K miles no exceptions.

[@dsavish]

i wonder who will win when they use the updated mustang...

[@BEBNC1]

+dsavish This IS the updated S550 Mustang.

[@dsavish]

lolol i mean the 2017-18 refresh that will most likely be considerably lighter and probably have about 450hp+. ford mentiond it awhile ago.

[@BEBNC1]

***** The platform will remain the same. Ford has stated this. The possible updates that have been mentioned are powertrain (GM-Ford co-developed 10spd that is based on the GM 8L90E 8spd)...which will actually be found in both the Mustang and Camaro. Also a 'facelift' refresh has been mentioned. Possible a slight boost in power (as you said). From what I've heard, Ford plans to leave the S550 platform the same until at least 2020. So, I would not expect any weight loss for a good while. Both GM and Ford have talked about aluminum and CF body paneling...but worried about pricing themselves out of the market by doing so. You might get a power bump next year...but at the moment, it'll need an additional 40-50hp to hang with the Camaro. Credit where it's due....the Alpha platform is just flat-out better than the S550 platform.

[@dsavish]

we'll see when it's unveiled.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

I wonder if the camaro will be even faster with the new design.... You know the refresh in 5 years.. lol

[@christophermclendon2208]

Sooo.....A 435 Hp 400 Lb-Ft Mustang GT ran a 13.2 @111 mph in 1/4 mile .................The 315 Hp 325 lb-ft 2010 Mustang GT ran that e/t with a little less mph ??? I would say track conditions but the Camaro is consistent to others test times. Challenger Scat Pack seems a bit slow also , just saying .

[@juicyearl]

2013 GT track pack ran 12.7 @ 111 mph with 420 hp and 390 ft lbs torque ... This is indeed interesting

[@rickmassey1272]

Motorweek is weak. Being on television a long time doesn't make you a good judge of performance, just means you know how to market advertising and say what you're paid to say. That Challenger is just as fast as the camaro when tested by reputable driving enthusiasts. ..and being too fat to fit a seat is not a performance metric Ford is responsible for.

[@rooftopshootaz8927]

A comparison done right!!!

[@javvenlapierre1069]

mustang

[@Arthagnou]

Fat guys don't like mustang seats...got it...you know you can skip a meal now and then and eat a salad....

[@Garf2O]

"Camaro feels nimble for such a heavy car" the shit is 20lbs lighter than the mustang what do you mean?

[@terrywalchuk8508]

Why didn’t they test the Shelby GT 350 in the test that would have been a more fair test or they should tested the challenger in 5.7 tune instead of the 6.4 Hemi just my opinion it would have been a different story if they would have the GT 350 instead of the Mustang GT just saying

[@tonyoliver5537]

they should have put the mustang shelby gt350 in the comparison not the lowest powered one.

[@dmilesls]

i preface this with the fact i am a 2016 mustang gt owner, so take my comments with a grain of salt if you will. these tests are not valid in the real world if you care about performance and you are spending your own money. The prices they gave for the mustang are with a ton of luxury options, which most of them are not for performance. for performance options only, the prices are quite different. the challenger scat pack with no other options is 44700. Camaro SS with only performance options 43000, and the mustang is 35790 with only performance options. that is quite a big difference if its your money. also, the horrible recaro seat they complained about, is an option that added to that high price tag, its not standard and the standard seats are nice. sure, if you are taking performance only, the camaro would be the best, but dollar for dollar if you are looking to spend your own money, the 10k price difference with the mustang is hard to justify in my eyes and wallet one last comment, regardless of which you choose, they are all awesome, and it is a great time for performance cars right now.

[@CentralKentuckyWeather]

There is no way the Camaro is a full second faster. Real world owners know better.

[@CentralKentuckyWeather]

+CareerFireman I saw the 2015 GT run 12.8 literally off the showroom floor in October 2014 as an advertising gimmick by a dealer. With a good driver these are 12.6 cars all day...nipping on the heels of the camaro. I won't believe a full second. No way. The Camaro is faster because it's newer, but not much faster.

[@BEBNC1]

+Shawn Crowe The SS is a 12 flat car all day long...in the hands of a good driver. Sorry, but the new GT is not 'nipping' on the heels of the SS. It is undeniably much faster. That's not to say that the Mustang isn't fast...because it most certainly is. And it's not faster because it's 'newer'. The platform is actually older than the S550 Mustang platform...has been used for almost 3yrs now by Cadillac. The LT1 is 3yrs old...and Ford knew the LT1 was going into the new Camaro. Just have to give credit where it's due. Just like the 2014 Mustang was quicker than a 2014 Camaro in the straights. I'm sure Ford will counter punch...and then GM will do the same. This has gone on for a long time now.

[@74kross]

+Shawn Crowe Ya in denial bro the SS is quite a bit faster all mags have proven the same. More horsepower with a major weight reduction its physics man

[@EGGINFOOLS]

+Shawn Crowe Newer has nothing to do with it. 15's are heavier than 14's. Plus stock SS camaro's are beating e85 tuned 5.0 GT's. These new camaro's are fast.

[@QuestoDomini]

My take from trying each (cars of friends), is that if you ARE NOT basing everything on a car that can win times on track or drag strips, the Dodge is my choice just for the Muscle Car experience, every day comfort a drivability. If it wasn't for the really bad visibility (not mentioned) on the Chevrolet, IT would be my choice,... but it's not, and I so wanted it to be (car shopping) because of all the aforementioned video testament and accolades. I will say, the one thing about the Dodge, it feels roomier than the Chevy and more so than the Dodge. Just my take .... still milling over possibilities.

[@InvestBetter.]

The Challenger is most dedicated to the muscle car concept, but that extends to its big fat ass. It is several hundred pounds more than the Camaro, and it shows. The Mustang was a great redesign, but its interior is not great, and it didn't lose any weight either. The Camaro got more powerful, meaner and lighter. The General is on a roll with another great redesign.

[@0to60_]

Chevy always come out on top

[@gtperfection1596]

right now the Camaro is out front but give dodge and ford some time bottom line all these cars trade punches we the consumers benefit from it with better cars every year so enjoy!!!!

[@macervel]

I want that new 1LE

[@mr.2cents.846]

These whimps should have brought out the Mustang 350R. Like the yellow one in the beginning of the video. That would have showed them!

[@Patriot27922]

ford mustang

[@TheDonta99]

As far as looks that Camaro looks like a dump truck no thanks I don't care how quick it is in a straight line or in the twisties LOL...

[@possiblycrazy442]

It's only that quick so you can get it out of view faster. :P The Challenger is the good looker in my book.

[@achakhakan4189]

Comparison is the thief of Joy.

[@VicZX6R]

2014 gt Track Pack, yes the guy (big dude) didn't like the Recaro seats...that's why the challenger was made more oversized guys...suck it dodge

[@juicyearl]

I have Recaros , they are amazing !

[@niksikk15]

All sweet ass American muscle, Camaro is definitely my favorite but all are badass

[@cptnoremac]

To me, how it looks is among the most important aspects, so first place is the Mustang (in black with a GT350R-like spoiler added), then the Challenger, and waaaay below those is the Camaro. What happened to you, Camaro? You stopped being cool in 1982.

[@TheDonta99]

My thoughts exactly!!!

[@JamesDeanYoungs]

Ford needs to put some GT 350 goodies in the Mustang GT and call it the GTS. If Ford did that, that'll hold better against the Camaro.

[@MandusahRamirez]

You Can’t knock a car just because YOU can’t fit in it. That’s like knocking a Manual Car all because YOU Can’t drive Stick lol

[@festussimmons5699]

I hate the 2015-2017 Dodge Challengers. They lack the retro muscle car look from the 60's and 70's the 2008-2014 all look the best. Only if Dodge would have put the 3.6 liter pentastar V6 in the 09-10 that would be great . Plan on having me one someday . All models all look the same , but I'll probably go with a used 2001-2014 V8 Challenger.

[@demonhnter1]

try replace the scatpack with srt8 challenger

[@83FB7]

+demonhnter saoud Then replace the SS and GT with Z/28 and GT350

[@EGGINFOOLS]

Same powertrain. So what? Still heavy and slow around the corners. Still wouldn't have beaten the camaro

[@83FB7]

EGGINFOOLS Oh I understand that, I'm just saying if you're going to replace the Challenger with the top trim level(non Hellcat), then do the same with the rest of the cars.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

83FB7 Oh. I misunderstood. Gotcha

[@83FB7]

EGGINFOOLS Its all good

[@SilverRaven1959]

I can't remember them saying the Mustang was a Track Pack or whatever they call it...now why is it the Mustang is basic when the GT350 should have been the fella to up against those 2 sand bagging in the back round!!!

[@allenliknes7495]

Challenger ....... but they are all awesome

[@Tentaisei]

So they took to special model cars and put them against the average GT....brillant.

[@cantcme1243]

As a proud Challenger Scat Pack owner Mopars will always rule, I can care less about these bullshit comparisons, whenever I take my car to car meets more people are always standing by my car and taking pictures of it! Even when the lot is full of Camaros, mustangs and vettes simply because people see them all the time! Mopars are in a class by themselves.

[@SpyderRios]

The fat guy can't fit in the Recaro seats, they are obviously not for him. I myself have all cars in first place. I like them all for different reasons. The Challenger looks the best, has the best sounding engine, while the Mustang looks best from the back, the interior is best while the Camaro performs the best

[@silversteelhemi]

I have Recaro's in my car, it's strickly for track but for the long hall, it sucks! Weight is not the issue, ther is no adjustability period! The Challenger has the best seats period!

[@Dolby109]

+silversteelhemi The new Camaro's seats are really comfortable.

[@NateFosterSR]

That Camaro is a fucking beast 12.3 bone stock. I dont see much need for crappy bolt ons. Just save up for a blower and run low 11s or high 10's. The Challenger in all black is the best looking. Mustang ehh

[@evann5451]

It wasnt a fair fight if you had the Ford Mustang GT350 or the GT350R then it wood be more fair

[@ToddNorthrop]

+Evan Nagy Not true, because then Challenger would use the Hellcat, and Camaro would use the ZL1.

[@matthewcremean8947]

+Evan Nagy that would be absolutely biased toward the mustang

[@kurtmardis2244]

I'd have to go with the Challenger. I can't stand the looks of either one of the other 2.

[@ralphl5441]

+Kurt Mardis Looks? Sure it wins but it's not better than either of these two. It should have placed last.Unless their test was only for straight line speed, then second place made since. but handling/fun to drive it is the least fun of these three cars.

[@henchicken1]

Wow almost a full second in the quarter mile! Totally un- exceptable Mustang that's seeing major tail lights!!!l Camaro takes it this year but you know Ford and Dodge won't be sleeping for long, I will bet the Mustang is next on the list for the aluminum treatment and Dodge is due for a major upgrade....

[@josephmercurio1024]

Mustang is the winner in my opinion.

[@twany442]

How funny that the Mustang outsells them both and it outsells them Camaro two to one.

[@Sinn0100]

Ummm...that is patently false. The Dodge Challenger has outsold both the Mustang and Camaro for quite some time now. Ford is in dead last right now.

[@twany442]

@@Sinn0100 You're a dumb-shit if you believe that. Please go and find some shit of your own and stop with that bullshit. Mustang, Camaro, Trans Am, and Firebird ruled that market most if not all, of the time. And don't you forget, that was the Mustang that started the Mussel Car / Pony Car movement. And the Dodge Ram has outsold the F150 and the GM trucks how many time? Bye Boy!

[@Garf2O]

Camaro is just flat out the better performance car, however the mustang is the better casual car with the interior and window visability, chevrolet shot themselves in the foot making the windows so small on the camaro because it scares away potential customers, but as a practical car the challenger is just way better than the other 2, but the more casual consumer/agressive racer dont want deal with larger vehicles like that.

[@sloick]

only due to the backseat, I'd buy the Dodge.