Finding the best .308 bullet! Long range side by side bullet comparison

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

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[@chrisnelo]

Keep them .308 vids coming man! Your analysis of the versatility of this round is unmatched and the capabilities of it are definitely there!! New calibers keep coming out and maybe some do in fact have a ballistic advantage, however the availability of these bullets for reloading isn’t always good whilst the .308 is always available

[@mikerich5858]

Undoubtedly the best channel on KZbin, never stop posting content please!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Really appreciate the compliment and all the support! I have a ton of new content planned so hope you’ll stick around to check it out. Also if you get a chance it would be huge if you could swing by the gundies and drop a vote for my as breakout creator of the year! It’s a fan voted award so every vote is huge.

[@BenjaminMelton-mp1nd]

@@MountainsMulletsMerica We voted and I've sent so many people to your channel! Now pretty please, with a cherry on top, let's see you do the zeroing distance comparison on a 6mm ARC! Your zeroing comparison videos on the 556 are GOLD METAL MATCH videos!!! Keep up the good work my friend and if you're ever in North Texas, come on out to our deer lease for some fun!

[@markchavez5560]

You do an outstanding job with breaking down how certain rifles and bullets perform. Nice blend of nerding & knowledge for dummies 😂

[@derekdelotto6370]

Yes n I love the 308 videos! My old 16 inch Armalite AR10 loves the 168s. Gta check your videos for 6.5 Grendel.

[@bizzlebeedizzle3910]

U got my votes for gundies bud. U shoot a lot of gassers in 308, 6.5 and that’s something I’ve been into a lot. I enjoy your content and you also good luck bud I hope u win.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Long range 308 and 6.5cm ARs are my favorite thing to shoot! Stick around my channel long enough and you’ll get your fill of them haha. Also thank you for the gundie votes!

[@stevenlewis6781]

Thank you for highlighting the performance of the old .308. Very impressive shooting from a SBR! And the Arken shoots so far above its price point it’s not even funny.

[@pewdeals]

13:14 You can't tell where they are because they are dead center. You're an awesome long shot. Love watching your channel.

[@Ooogs-h1i]

For that light of a barrel and shooting the 185s that quickly in some good wind, man they sure did awesome. Love the Berger 185s so I'm biased, but that certainly looks promising.

[@willbarnes9121]

Done you have my 2 votes. By a huge margin. Your videos hit the mark on the exact things I like to see and am curious about

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate you taking the time to watch and drop in a couple gundie votes! Lots of new videos in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned to check them out!

[@Doffy63]

Hi from France ! Like always great video, best long range .308 channel on KZbin keep going sir, you have my votes !

[@mradr05]

I like the .308 content and i'd love to see videos on your reloading process at some point

[@pjbarney9580]

love the multi purpose 308 content.... both of mine are 16" barrels to avoid paperwork but still have compact capabilities.... I have a Mossberg mvp scout for the precision(ish) stuff and a AR10 for the hard hitting battle rifle style... but both are capable of doing both. and they take the same magazines too...

[@firstimeshooter6590]

This gives me hope for my 16” 308. I don’t reload so hunting down for factory ammo that it likes was a bit of a pain. So far my ar10 seems to like most 168 grain grouping 1”-1.75” and surprisingly loves HORNEDY 155 grain grouping 0.5-1.50”. Just need to reconfirm zero and work on my dope.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

The good thing about 308win especially in a bolt action is it can use sub-sonic supressed loads and its extremely quiet. Win Gunndies or not your content is top tier.

[@XxRumbleBeexX1]

Always excited to see a new video and how you break everything down. Zack is the best on KZbin

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate you taking the time to watch! Lots of new content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned! If you get a chance, it would be huge if you could drop a gundie award vote for me as the breakout creator of the year! This is a fan voted award so every vote is huge!

[@XxRumbleBeexX1]

@@MountainsMulletsMerica ill be here watching. Thanks for all the content

[@michaelhill6451]

I've played around with the 169s. They are awesome.

[@hbarwickjr]

I favor for the accuracy of the 308 175 on my scout m1a. Under that the 168gr. Another good video, thank you.

[@AndrewZavala]

Another super informative video, love the content. My EP5 gen2 has been incredible so far for 6.5cm, but after watching more of your videos I feel like I need to build a short 308 gasser next. Keep up the great work

[@mikesauer7775]

175gr SMK is my go too for precision. 20" ballistic barrel with 42gr benchmark is good for 1/2" groups with occasional outlier. 2630fps. You are giving me a great education.

[@matthewrank109]

Very excited for every upload

[@camonly849]

Nice shooting and nice array of bullets. I've commented before about trying bergers. I absolutely love them. My tikka 6.5 upr puts them in the same hole. I've done load development testing with the berger and basically the closer you can get to the rifling (and still feed correctly) the more accurate it will be. I followed bergers recommendation from their reloading book and I shoot quarter inch groups at 100 with it, and in consistent conditions I was able to get a 5 inch group at 1000. It's your channel don't let me tell you how to do your job 😂, but I would highly recommend that protocol. I shot 4 different loads starting from just off the rifling to further and further back. The further back it went the bigger the groups. Thanks for your time and effort in these videos!

[@darinmislow9022]

🙂👍 another great video, again!! Also done, you easily got my vote for best new content creator!!

[@flatcreek6988]

I think you should do a giveaway 😬, love your video's!

[@lordhuck2689]

308 has more power at 800 yards than a 9mm does at 1 yard.

[@virgilpalmer2427]

😂 yes it does

[@ChanoLeyva-l8x]

More then 357 mag as well

[@camonly849]

Yep. My 6.5 has almost double the energy at 1000 than my speer gold dot 9mm +p at the muzzle. Crazy to think about.

[@grabbabitewelfed1641]

Nice , I think you have a good setup, enjoyed your videos, would like to build an ar-10 , arken make good optics for the price👍🏻

[@edouble9894]

You got my vote brother, awesome video like usually. Extremely informative as usual. Nice rifle and nice shooting!

[@Dan-b2j]

Awesome content as usual! Got my gundies vote. 178gr Hornady ELDx is the way in my 16" AR10. Also, Applied Ballistics Analytics is your friend. Calculates 1000 simulated shots and gives you a hit percentage. Very useful when comparing different bullets, cartridges and loads.

[@hbarwickjr]

You got my vote on gundie. I've watched many of your videos as you have the nack to know just what interests me. I appreciate the delicate details in each one of them: zeroing, bullet drops, the Arken 7-35x56 including the competition video you did using it; etc. God bless.

[@melonrain6862]

My 308 has an 18” ballistic advantage chmv barrel. Shoots just a touch under moa with federal gold medal match 168gr loads. Out to 1000 I couldn’t be happier with it.

[@jonathane8585]

AR or Bolt gun? Repeatable Sub MOA over 20 round groupings in an AR is extremely difficult.

[@melonrain6862]

@ AR. To be fair I usually don’t shoot more than a couple of groups at a time.

[@andyjonathan2486]

168 grain SMKs at 1000 yards in 308 win FGMM? Been there, done that, at NCPPRC 1000y match, and needless to say had less than desirable dispersion. 5+ MOA groupings at 1000y, despite it grouping ~1 MOA at 100y.

[@melonrain6862]

@ yeah, I don’t compete. I have access to a 1000yd range on private land through a friends connection. Only started going this summer. Elevation was easy…dialed up 44 moa I believe…the wind though was a bitch.

[@joshmccartney6474]

Go 175 or tmk or the 169 smk closed tip for 1k

[@joestriker2100]

Nice reviews. I shoot a 24" Tikka Super Varmint in 308. I was getting 1/2 inch MOA with Hornady Black 168; Winchester Long Range Accubond 168; Browning Long Range Pro 168 gr; and Federal Premium Berger Hybrid 168 gr. Some of the Ammo where I was getting less then 1 inch MOA but not quite a tight as the aforementioned. Gold Dot 150 gr; Barnes Vor-TX 150 gr; Hornady Super Performance 165 gr SST; Federal Premium 165 gr Trophy Copper. Seems like the rifle prefers higher grain weight.

[@patbruse6552]

Keep up the great work. You've got my Gundie vote. I have had good results to 1000yds with 169SMKs.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Lots of new content coming soon so hope you’ll stick around to check it out!

[@JBesq]

Insane video. If this isn’t your full time job then I’ll sign up for your time management course! Awesome content.

[@johnherring766]

I have a 16" BA Premium barrel hitting Friday to replace a 20" PSA. Looking at a first time can as well. I be giddy. These videos are just the info and comparison I was looking for!! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!🎉

[@12ga.shooter84]

Man what a workout. That’s a lot of rounds. You sold me on the short 308 awhile ago. I also like the 168 SMK it’s a good balance for this rifle length. I think I enjoy most is watching you battle wind. The more the better. Improvement suggestion bigger and brighter wind indicators. Tape works but it’s hard to see if watching on a cell phone. I like seeing the shift in flags followed by impact change. Keep up the good work.

[@metrobadger]

Appreciate the spread of bullet weight and style. I imagine it was a ton of work getting this video put to bed!

[@austinmason6338]

Wades gigglin rn 😂 love your channel man. Please, never stop pushing content.

[@RMM--uv7uk]

Pin a link for the Gundies. People will vote easier that way. I will vote every day bud. Great job.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Just pinned a comment with the link…. Genius idea! Appreciate the support!

[@TheLoneRanger745]

Thanks Zack, Great job 👍 You make it look so easy , Great Instructor 👑🏆

[@GuacIsExtra99]

I’m getting single digit sd out of aac Sabre black tip oddly enough for such a cheap round

[@ozarkphoenix6615]

Sweet! Been waiting for another one of your 308 videos!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

308 may not be flashy or sexy but it still gets the job done! Plenty of new 308 content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned to check it out!

[@ozarkphoenix6615]

@MountainsMulletsMerica oh I'm one who don't really care about all them new, fancy and pricey calibers. 308/762Nato is still very relevant in today's use!

[@Quinncannon]

Excellent video and performance, my experience with the 175 SMK is in High Power competition, it's always been a solid performer for me. Good to see your results were favorable. I'll try the 169 SMK's you shot as well as the others, thanks!

[@user-yu1zp2vu9x]

You do the best rifle and ammo breakdowns for me (uneducated newbie). I’m going to try and figure out how to vote for you. It’s the least I can do.

[@mobsquad8500]

Nice!!! Thank you!, Very professional…my first watch…I’m subscribed!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Really awesome to hear you enjoyed the content and subscribed! I really appreciate the support! Lots of new content planned in 2025 so hope you’ll stay tuned to check it out!

[@virgilpalmer2427]

My 308 loved heavy bullets..❤

[@Wmbhill]

🇺🇸 thanks for the video. Hard to beat the 175.

[@MarkStephenson-mj3yr]

Great content. Judging accuracy with only group size is like judging velocity with only extreme spread and not looking at standard deviation. I use the Hornady 4DOF ballistic app, the only one I am familiar with, it has a feature to easily calculate median group size. It has been eye opening to look at my shooting in two dimensions.

[@csstack]

Thank your for the awesome content. I have learned so much from your channel. I have been voting for you in the Gundies!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Fingers crossed on the gundie award…. They actually just extended voting to 12/17 as a heads up!

[@rvrrb]

the old and probably dead pros use a 30-06 hot loaded with a 180 or 220 grain boat tail.

[@bill2292]

I voted 3 times already.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

This is huge! Really appreciate you taking the time to show support!

[@InkwellFoto]

Great timing. I got my LMT 13.5 im building up

[@marzcapone9939]

I love mine, don't shoot long distance, but the 150 grain Gold Dots seems like a match made for it. I've seen some water jugs turn to vapor at 120 yards, saw that vapor 8 feet above where the water jug got hit.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Sounds like a sweet rig! What bullet are you thinking you’ll run?

[@SEYOTwo]

So stoked on this!

[@MontanaWild78]

Great video. I love the 185 Juggernaut in my 18” 308.

[@MilošStrouhal-b9b]

👌👍 175 SMK super

[@reloadingfun]

it would have been interesting to see what the groups look like on paper targets at 860 yds.

[@Evolved272]

Try Berger 175gr OTM. For factory ammo on a bolt gun, doesn't get much better than Berger 185gr.

[@sjohnson1776]

Just voted for you as breakout at Gundies. Good Luck! I've loaded one heck of a lot of Sierra bullets in both rifle and handgun over the years. Glad to see they support your channel! I just picked up an Arken SH4J Gen II that I'm going to mount on a heavy barrel Rem 700 in .308. Definitely going to be fun. Thanks for a very informative video!! BTW....who the heck shoots an SBR .308 out to 800+?>>>> 🤣🤣

[@charlesmckinley29]

You cant shoot that far with a short barrel!!!!! 🤣😂🤣. Great video as always.

[@DaveD-ds9rz]

Suggestion: since you question some of the flyers may be you, maybe record your sight-in shots with your scope camera, not for publishing on video but for your own use to analyze flyers in helping determine if you actually pulled a shot or not. Love your videos and your highly professional way of testing and analyzing. Thank you.

[@ShurkMan413]

I'd love to see some performance of the Sierra 155gr TMK's. On paper they should be pretty great for shorter barrels, hitting a pretty respectable velocity and having a surprisingly high BC, but I'm only able to find very little in long range performance for them. Love the video as always!

[@KennethKitts]

I think 185 juggs out of a 16" is just about ideal for a DMR...at 14.5" I'd still stay with the 185 jugg! When you need a first round hit and the wind is +10 mph, I believe it to be the best trade off.

[@sgtslippyfist6345]

Never just rely on a 100yrds group to judge. My 338 lapua shoots barely moa at 100 but at 200yrds prints under half inch group. All 5 shot

[@DRay-or4tc]

The 185 Berger got my attention. 16” Criterion.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

The 185 Berger is a solid bullet! I want to run some more through this rifle and see if I can dial that load in a little better. Stay tuned as I’m sure that’ll pop up in some figure content!

[@AirgunRegulator]

Nice video and hilarious test. I especially appreciate riflescope footage that is still not much on KZbin.

[@jeffreybossingham1732]

1st You have my vote. Second Why not heavier bullets? I have been working up loads for 190gr BTHP and 195gr ELD-M

[@xforce708]

You always change my opinion. But I just can’t give up the thought of barrel length for LR. Hitting the plate is possible with short, but I want authority at distance. Just in case.

[@tomkelly3896]

I shot 180 rounds a few days ago....slept good that night

[@grantjamrock3812]

Heck yea! You keep delivering 🙌

[@timmcfarland3311]

My experience in long range over the past 10 yrs with my 308 bolt gun their are 169 SMK’s for like prs because good bc and your pushing 2900fps. But ELR if you chamber is cut the high BC 200 grain SMK. Really consistent at a mile. But they are long so single feed

[@ARvsAK]

Much like for your gud words of what do. I em this many. How many r ewe?

[@mountedpatrolman]

Been waiting on this video and it's exactly what I wanted to see. I think the 185gr Juggernaut was the most impressive. It had the tightest consistent group; those 8 rounds were just one big, ragged hole and it seemed to put the most energy on the plate. I've been running 150gr Gold dot in my 16-inch Remington defense R10, but I'm going to pick up some of the 185gr Jug.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Glad to hear the video delivered! Took me longer to get this pulled together and launched than I had hoped but it turned out better than I had expected. If you’ve got the twist rate to run the 185s I think you’ll be impressed with their performance. I’m going to do a bit more load development with them as I really want to run them…. That high bc is super impressive and really improved the performance of 308. You’ll have to let me know what your experience with them is!

[@Regal2800]

great 308 content.

[@NBKmediaPRS]

7-35 Arken lists for 840$ now. Bushnell match Pro Ed for the huge win. 👌

[@whome3911]

Voted for ya! Great work!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate you taking the time to drop a vote for me!

[@earl240sx]

Great video, thanks! I would be interested to know what powder you're using for your hand loads. I have been trying to find a "great" 308 load - so far have gotten a few decent loads with Varget, StaBall Match, and A4064 using Hornady bullets in the 168-178gr range, but am always open to something different. Oh, and yeah, I've already cast half a dozen votes for your channel, and will continue to until the voting closes. Yours has quickly become one of my favorites.

[@paullavallee1631]

You do great work and deserve the reward

[@danm7876]

good luck with the gundies.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate it!

[@K-bob_45]

Only thing you could add is that WEZ analysis software from AB. That way you could compare hit probabilities. The misses with the 175’s very well may have been hits either way the 169 SMK’s. You might also try H4895. I never got great velocity with Varget. Max book charge of 42 gr of H4895 w/ a 185 juggernaut got me 2620 ft/sec on my 20” barrel.

[@joshua3113]

I say if it's not broke... Those 175 SMKs had the toughest LOOKING wind and were hitting right where you expected. If you shot them first in the low wind I think it would've looked boring.

[@charlesmckinley29]

He makes this look way too easy.

[@KamikazKid]

Very interesting, I kinda wondered if you could work up a load with either a 110 gr or 120 gr 30 cal projectile to get a bit more speed and flatter shooting light round. Idk what the BC on those projectiles are, if it's even worth trying, but great video.

[@Elklife719-x5k]

Im shooting a 180g accubond in my 16” 308 bolt gun at 2550fps, slightly above book on powder shooting 1/2 in consistently 😅

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Have you tried bullets with rebated tail design? I see certain boutique manufacturers advertising G1 as high as .707 in 175gr and up to .969 up to 240gr in .308.

[@theflow497]

Thx for a New exciting video. Joyned it so much. Now voting 😁

[@Texas_Pride]

Thanks for doing the work.

[@DAP-1776]

168gr ELDM always has “flyers”. I don’t think TAP is true match ammunition. That’s what I’ve found and other sniper sections in the region reported as well. I’ve had better results with Fedeal and Ruag.

[@biggs8729]

Since you like Sierra so much have you tried the 155 Sierra Palma? They have a really good BC and might be your flat shooting bullet yet.

[@michaelcerrone1482]

I voted for you bro! Best of luck to you!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support my channel! Lots of new content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned to check it out.

[@michaelcerrone1482]

I religiously watch all your videos. I really appreciate your content and the way you put it out. You don't edit out the missed shots, which in turn helps us other shooters see real-time results in adjustments. I'm looking at getting back into an AR-10 platform, either 6.5mm, 6mm, or .308. I have a 6arc AR-15, that I love, but I have been wanting with a little more umph. It will be getting used for precision gas gun work, so 6.5 seems to be the best candidate. Plus, i have a bunch of handloads in 6.5mm. Although, you give me hope for a .308. Thanks for all the work you do. Have a great day.

[@MegaGouch]

Were the `178gr BTHPs handloads or factory ammo? Running the numbers (BC and velocity) in my calculator shows that this bullet will give you the smallest wind holds at 880yards. It looked like alot of your misses were off the left edge de holding too much wind. Could be interesting to spend more time with this bullet or even the 178gr ELDM as the performance (on paper at least) looks like either of these bullets would give the best ballistics.

[@HWPasturesLLC]

Love the content. Just submitted my vote!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Lots of new content coming so hope you’ll stay tuned to check it out.

[@Mesabowhunter]

Voted for you! Thinking of getting a Bergara Premier Competition 6.5 Creedmoor as my first foray into long range. It's about $2300-$2500... Is there anything else in the price range that would be more accurate or better?

[@edstettin6799]

I’m trying to vote for you, but the Gundie site is not completing my registration. I will keep trying.

[@chuckflitton5293]

could you do the same test with a longer barrel.

[@cpakkala]

It looked to me like a couple of those 185s were keyholing. Are you sure they're stable? Watch the video again one shot at a time. Looking at the Target after it's finished doesn't tell the story

[@RanchoFiascoMike]

Great content. Lots of interest in the 308 guns. Didn’t hear it mentioned but curious about powder in those loads. Having trouble working up a load for the 169 gr SMK. IMR 4895 was recommended so going to try that next as I have a bunch of it. I voted for you with the Gundies.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

I’m running Varget in all of these loads. Basically the only powder I use anymore for any 308 load. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and support the channel! Lots of new content coming soon so hope you’ll stick around to check it out!

[@kalcolt744]

sierra has load data for the 169 and 177 just have to call them it's quite a bit deferent than the 168 and 175

[@kalcolt744]

I am running the 169 at 2800 fps out of a 26in barrel

[@RanchoFiascoMike]

@@MountainsMulletsMericabeen watching your channel for a long time and really enjoy the content. Thanks for the feedback

[@Tierfunoperator]

Voted for you Tuesday I think it was!!!!

[@Getsen42]

i think my vote was recorded….it seemed to freeze after picking your pic

[@thunder_mountain_muleys]

Boat Tail Hollow Point. BTHP

[@toolman9081]

You got a video about tri pods?

[@OnMyGrizzle]

Thanks for the video.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thanks for watching!

[@taterhater2086]

I like the speer impact 172 bullets.i could send you 50 if you would test them lol

[@ronsorrentino6207]

Would love to get out there and test which .308 my Adams Arms SF-308 likes the best. Unfortunately my state government has banned AR’s and I chose to get them out of state rather then bow to their illegal registration! So I no longer have the access to it now. But hopefully the SCOTUS will take up the Snope v. Brown case and end this madness in 2025?! 🤷‍♂️

[@davidhoffpauir1963]

Just voted for you bro